ERROR CORRECTION - during the video I say the PPSh-41s were loaded with 50-round drum magazines - I meant to say 71-round drums. No need to comment further.

@PappaWasTakenBySomeWierdo

Жыл бұрын

Correction Accepted

@paraweld9838

Жыл бұрын

Correction Accepted

@MikeCera1

Жыл бұрын

Correction Accepted

@jeffhallel8211

Жыл бұрын

You owe us 21 rounds x 88. Thats 1,848 rounds Mr Felton. Otherwise a fantastic video. Thanks.

@michaelfoye1135

Жыл бұрын

A rare mistake. Swiftly and properly remedied. You are a true professional. Tha k you for the excellent historical content.

If you shot one of those down you effectively equipped a couple of platoons.

@chrisshelley3027

Жыл бұрын

🤣😳🤗😂😉😎👌

@joeyw7325

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the exact same 😂that's too funny

@poorboysadventures4636

Жыл бұрын

They didn't have stocks though or did they?

@sniperboom1202

Жыл бұрын

1 1/2 platoons. Since your typical platoon is 40 ish men

@shitchops

Жыл бұрын

Half of them would be damaged

I feel for the ground crew bloke that had to reload it!!

@ffjsb

Жыл бұрын

BlokeSSSS

@Mr_Dancy_Pants

Жыл бұрын

In a rare show of empathy, so apparently did the USSR.

@berryreading4809

Жыл бұрын

If you look at who really did most of the fighting and dying for the Soviet Union not that large of a percentage were ethnic Russian Moscowvian/Or from now larhe Russian cities... The Soviets much like Russia does now liked to kill off it's "unimportant" citizens from less desirable regions, while simultaneously killing certain elites or officials in the "important" cities for whatever KGB/NKVD/Stalin/Putin decided reasons... Russia didn't help win WW2, the Soviet Union did... There are good breakdowns of which former states produced soldiers/took casualties/fought in various battles... Although today Russia acts like they did everything without assistance, with all WW2 soilders magically spawning from red square 🙄

The earliest aerial gunship iteration of Puff The Magic Dragon.

@InCountry6970

Жыл бұрын

I just commented about that similarity too

@mikearmstrong8483

Жыл бұрын

Not the earliest. The Junkers-Larsen JL12 tried the same concept in 1922, with 28 downward firing drum fed Thompson .45 cal submachine guns.

@dangray4086

Жыл бұрын

@@mikearmstrong8483 Thanks! This is why the comments section is often even more valuable than the published material, itself.

"How much vibrations is this setup going to cause to the airframe?" "YES"

@ABC-dw7pe

Жыл бұрын

Nah…poor.

"Are you absolutely sure you can't fit 90?"

That is one of the craziest weapons contraptions that Dr. Felton has told us about. Aside from the difficulty resetting the guns for the next run, the effect would be absolutely terrifying if widely employed.

@rascallyrabbit8548

Жыл бұрын

how about the Japanese balloon time bombs

@recoil53

Жыл бұрын

I bet a triple rack that dropped gernades would be as terrifying to infantry, if you can work out the fuse.

@tompaul2591

Жыл бұрын

@@rascallyrabbit8548 minimal effectiveness

@fordshaw5833

Жыл бұрын

@@recoil53There were stories of WW1 and WW2 reconnaissance pilots who used to drop mortar bombs on their targets by tilting their A/C on its side then releasing the mortar bomb with their hand out an open window or open cockpit, depending on their aircraft.

@fordshaw5833

Жыл бұрын

Fantastic story, it’s interesting to see the different experimental aircraft developed to solve direct fire ground attack problems. The prototype aircraft seem awkward but they prove the concept. Though, until there is a breakthrough that solves all the problems of accuracy, reliability, rate of fire and safety the idea waits. I am surprised that by the late 1930s or early 1940s no one gunsmith or armorer got the idea to power a Gatling guns action with an electric motor and sell it to the armed forces.

The World: "I think you've covered about everything." Dr. Felton: "Hold up a minute..."

I have to admit, the title and short duration initially had me thinking this was a late 'April Fool's joke. But, wow! 88 guns is a lot of firepower!

@Richthofenweber

Жыл бұрын

oh I herd of this plane it had so many guns the crews who would rearm it hated it they had to manually reload every single drum bullet by bullet.) Ivan get back to reloading the guns but sir this is a waste of time.

@Chilly_Billy

Жыл бұрын

It really wouldn't be very useful, unless the ground unit was composed of dead and blind morons. That's the only way they wouldn't react to the approaching strafer by scattering.

@ELCADAROSA

Жыл бұрын

@@Chilly_Billy, agreed. I noted the narrow field of fire. The overall system is good in theory, but probably would not have had a great return on investment (enemies KIA and weapons destroyed).

@Twitch760

Жыл бұрын

@@ELCADAROSA Guns all needed to be canted out a few degrees to create a 15 foot wide strip about the width of a 2 lane country road. Would be great if you could get behind a column of say fuel trucks and just explode all of them or a column of marching infantry.

@ekspatriat

Жыл бұрын

88 pea shooters though

Very unusual. I guess in a war of that scope, you'd be willing to try just about anything to give you an edge. It's somewhat reminiscent of the Douglas AC-47 of the Vietnam War.

@Ed_Stuckey

Жыл бұрын

I was there. It was awesome. But only because it was on our side.

@dat2ra

Жыл бұрын

The very definition of baad azzz.

@Mishn0

Жыл бұрын

@JZ's BFF I think he was talking about the AC-47 which would make him 70 years +- young today.

This idea was tested in the USA a couple of decades earlier by mounting 28 drum-fed (100 round) Thompson Model SMGs in three different downward firing positions for strafing ground targets. It proved equally impractical.

@thebigdog2295

Жыл бұрын

The U.S military never gave up on the idea. How do you think that the Lockheed AC-130 gunship, and the A-10C Thunderbolt affectionately known by the name Warthog came about. Both of which are still used by the U.S. military too this day.

@Paladin1873

Жыл бұрын

@@thebigdog2295 We're not talking about the basic concept of a gunship. We're talking about the tools employed. It was incredibly naive to think a stack of submachine guns could work in such a manner, especially by WWII when much more practical arrangements had been developed using a host of forward firing .50 caliber machine guns, and in the case of the B-25, a 75mm cannon in the nose. A number of examples of these Mitchells were given to the USSR, so I can't imagine what the Soviet designers were thinking.

@joeshmoe9978

Жыл бұрын

What type of plane did they use to try the concept?

@Paladin1873

Жыл бұрын

@@joeshmoe9978 I've only seen interior photos of the arrangement, but I've read it was a single engine metal cabin monoplane, specifically a Junkers-Larsen JL-12, supposedly a derivative of the Junkers-Larsen JL-6, which was an American version of the Junkers F13, powered by a 400 hp Liberty L-12 engine. The F13 was a novel airplane for its time, being introduced in 1920 as the world's first all-metal transport aircraft. Junkers had previously built several different all or mostly metal ground attack aircraft during the First World War. Their J.1 was a metal sesquiplane ground attack aircraft first introduced in Jan 1917. In Dec of that year there followed an even more advanced all-metal monoplane attack aircraft, the CL.1, from which the transports were derived after the war.

@joeshmoe9978

Жыл бұрын

@@Paladin1873 interesting! Thanks for the response. 👍

Mark THE MAN, hits us again!

It's like the Soviet version of the German Schrage Musik except pointing down not up.

That was an epic 'hold my vodka' moment of weapon design

2:30. 50 round drum magazine? The drum magazine on the PPSh-41 holds 71 rounds. That's confirmed when you said 6248 rounds could be delivered, 71 x 88. There is a 50 round drum magazine for the PPSh-41/22, chambered in 22lr. That weapon is a modern reproduction.

@WarStorieswithMarkFelton

Жыл бұрын

Yes, I made a mistake there!

@maxkeller102

Жыл бұрын

Spittin out straight facts my man!

@edwardcook2973

Жыл бұрын

The gun in question is the PPD 50, and is a modern replica of the Degtyarev PPD 34/38, not the Shpagin PPSh 41.

There's an Ork Mek out there watching this and his jaw has dropped in adoration!

@Taistelukalkkuna

Жыл бұрын

OI! I seez you da propa admirer of Dakka. *WAAAAGH!*

@HappyBeezerStudios

4 ай бұрын

Well, time to get a new jaw and build that thing, but with more dakka! Because there is never enough dakka!

"So Comrade Davashkovich, How many machine guns do you want to mount on this aircraft?" Davashkovich..."All of them" ( SP, I know )

I'd disregard it as clickbait, but then it is Mark Felton...

@lingerslongest

Жыл бұрын

Almost...I was thinking that it was going to be a couple of 88mm guns !

Thank you for sharing ⭐🏆🤗🙏🇺🇲

With all of that recoil the plane had the potential to be the worlds first vertical take off aircraft.

It never stops amazing me how Dr. Felton keeps finding all this new material! Thank you!!!

@michaelpielorz9283

Жыл бұрын

Gin Tonic? after having a few of those you will be able to find a lot of curious things!

Just finished making breakfast and sitting down to watch something when this dropped, thanks mr felton!

TY Dr. Felton. I saw the bomb bay photo somewhere many years ago, but without many details, and you fixed that. I did know it was a rarity since it was unknown in most accounts. Glad to have the rest of the story.

Honestly this isn't the strangest idea that came from the Soviet Union but still the psychological toll of this weapon is scary.

@petershen6924

Жыл бұрын

Wait until you see how a TOS-1 in action.

@censusgary

Жыл бұрын

It only shot at a 4-foot-wide strip, and it used up all its ammo in 4 seconds, but if you happened to be in that strip during those 4 seconds, you’d be history.

Russian ground attack aircraft still love their gunpods! Check out the Su39's GsH-23 pods.

The French mitrallieuse concept never dies!

Human creativity flourished during the war worlds! Covering just the dead end designs would take a separate channel.

@MusMasi

Жыл бұрын

no better motivation for innovation than killing people.

Great iconic weapons.. especially the PPsh-41

About 15 years ago there was a weapon system called Metal Storm being developed in Australia. One of the prototypes was a box of barrels bolted on to a wing pod pointed downwards. The rounds were caseless ammo stacked in the barrels and electrically fired. It was an interesting concept.

@cameronnewton7053

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure they have a grenade launcher that can attach to the standard F-88 service rifle that uses the same principle and same name

@ReikerForge

Жыл бұрын

Metal storm is literally a railgun that shoots 1 million rounds a minute, and they even made a grenade launcher version The reason nobody has adopted it is mainly "This weapon costs 400000$ to fire for four seconds" and also the only people who would want it, Israel, already has the Iron Dome

@Ukraineaissance2014

Жыл бұрын

Metal storm was looked into by a few militaries and is still floating about in some forms. Very expensive though i think. Useful as an aircraft or AA weapon with that extreme rate of fire but im not sure how far its been developed in those directions

@mikearmstrong8483

Жыл бұрын

Since reloading the Metalstorm means replacing all the barrels, it is a very impractical concept in almost every application except autonomous operation as a gun mine.

@shawnr771

Жыл бұрын

@@mikearmstrong8483 I watched a video of them reloading 40mm. There was no barrel replacement. The back of the barrel is unlocked and a sleeve of ammo is inserted and the back reclosed.

The sound of one PPSh-41 is already shivering, let alone a phalanx of 88 of them

Wow what an amazingly crazy idea

I feel I’m not the only who thought there was gonna be a 88mm on a ground attack plane

@leehazlewoodism

8 ай бұрын

Pretty sure the US tried mounting a 75mm gun on a plane to attack Japanese shipping.

using the Sturmovick they also came up with the precursor to the cluster bomb a pod under each wing held a large number of mini bomblets when flying low over tanks open the flaps and the bombs would drop in sequence covering a large area and hitting the tops of thd tanks, usually lightly armoured

@jacksmith7726

Жыл бұрын

Which is a much better idea

I would love to see a video of the damage this would cause on the ground. Maybe a KZreadr will recreate this weapon on day...

Dang that was a dangerous weapon

This is the WWII version of the Vietnam era, Puff the Magic Dragon (AC-47), I saw in 69. Nice research Dr. Felton

Great video on the combination of two great weapon systems!

Excellent video The PPsh1is symbolic with Stalingrad. A huge magazine with an incredible rate of fire. The late James Coburn holds one.

Ground crew "Ok - one reloaded.... how many more to do?"

Many thanks for another incredible story Dr. Felton! I truly wouldn't have believed this yarn had anyone else told me this. Terrific work.

“How am I going to stop some big mean Mother Hubbard from tearing me a structurally superfluous new behind? The answer: use a gun. And if that don’t work… use more gun.”

Great for convoys.

Another educational video, Mark!

@nataliegrn17

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I noticed that too!

Thank you, Dr. Felton. Fascinating, as all your work, preserving the past eras of human conflict. I know your era of specialty is WWII, but I would love to garner your take on litte-known facts of the Napoleonic wars. Cheers, and thank you.

A Mark Felton and Brandon Herrera collaboration would be excellent. I would love to see Mark mag dump some white Claw

Well done.

Again SIR ! You continue to bring too light things I have never ever heard of ! OUTSTANDING ! Thank You Again,,SIR! 🖖

Early version of Spooky "PUFF the Magic Dragon" Vietnam era Douglas AC-47D decked out with mini guns.

The only Soviet bomber to be an honorary Texan.🤔

@JCinerea

Жыл бұрын

Damn straight 😁😁😂😂! Proud Texan here. God bless Texas!

Another I haven't heard of.

A great very interesting video.A curious soviet WW2 weapon concept as practical as using 19th century Gatling guns as aircraft armament.Have a good one Mr.Felton.

Where were you when I was studying history? Best to you Scott Whitmire

An early version of “Puff”. The Magic C-47.

Hahaha when I saw the title I thought it was a plane with 88 FLAK GUNS 😂. This is so much better

I've read about this experiment before. The main drawback was reloading all those guns.

Short and sweet. I like it!

thanks Dr. Felton!

Another interesting and informative post, thank you.

As a figure if speech - That is a lot of lead

Cool thanks Mr Felton

I'm a simple man. I see a Marc Felton video, I click. Thx! 🤺🪖😉

The Philippines used the same principle in their AC-47 Spooky by mounting 50 caliber machine guns on the belly of the plane

Hi Mark, just wondering if you might consider doing a video on the late, great Benjamin Ferencz

that thing could tear up some real estate....reminds me of the mini-gun and puff in the later `60s

Germans: "We built an 88 gun." Soviets: "We built an 88 gun attack aircraft."

The Soviets sure had funny ideas. Once they mounted a 76 mm howitzer on a Pe-2's nose. It had so tremendous firepower that the pilots found it excessive, and suggested to transfer the aircraft to the navy. But it was quite efficient at destroying trains. Under destroying, I mean *thoroughly* and *properly* destroying them. One of the Soviet pilots, who fell into German captivity in 1944, later said that the Germans were interrogating every captured Soviet bomber crewman about this plane, and they wanted to execute its crew as war criminals.

@rob5944

Жыл бұрын

Both the British and the Americans did the same, even using a Hurricane armed with an S gun in one instance I believe. The other examples included medium bombers such as the Mosquito and Mitchell.

@yfelwulf

Жыл бұрын

Japanese found if they attacked certain US Bombers head on they were defenceless they put a 75mm mountain gun in some Japs soon lost interest in head on attacks one shell turned them to vapour.

@cjoin83

Жыл бұрын

@@rob5944 The Germans had the HS 129 B-3 with a 75 mm cannon attached to the bottom of the fuselage as well

@chriscarbaugh3936

Жыл бұрын

Hard to believe really; Americans had a 75mm in a B-25, the RAF a 6 pounder in a Mossie. The Germans had a number of attempts. Hard to believe the one off Pe-2 was seriously considered.

@rob5944

Жыл бұрын

@@cjoin83 your right! I've watched a couple of videos about it, a snub-nosed battleship with an armoured tub for the pilot. Not very successful as I recall. It was featured in Military Aviation History. 👍

The hedgehog was also the name given to pattern firing depth charges used by the Royal Navy and was also a nickname for the Sunderland Flying Boat.

@edwardcook2973

Жыл бұрын

The Sunderland was called the flying porcupine, not the flying hedgehog.

Incredible!

Fascinating!

The 'Puff the Magic Dragon" of the late 40's!

I can't imagine the shower of bullets down and the enormous quantity of cases bouncing all over the bomb bay!

I would pay money to watch that fire.

SMG as a plane’s primary armament? And we laughed at the Villar Perosa

I love this wonderful story

SAME NAME AS THE ROYAL NAVY JUST A LITTLE MORE RISKY AT ANY HIGHT😮 CHEERS Dr THATS NEW.

Genius idea.

Wow that's amazing

This brings back memories.

WOW incredible 👏

This idea merited further development. The USA adopted a saturation ground-attack concept with "Puff" in Vietnam, and of course most people will be familiar with the Warthog's notorious `burrrrp...'

Eons ago I read a book on the Thompson sub machine gun. I saw a photo of a bank of them in a plane just like these were.

A prelude to the A-10 Warthog wouldn't you say. Maybe a wink to it's inspiration in it's nickname??

@Drillz007

Жыл бұрын

not even close

@quintrankid8045

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the Ilyushin Il-2 instead?

@rongeotom6

Жыл бұрын

My reasoning comes from their ability to deliver a rapid concentrate of munition at a high amount. I still see the possible inspiration

A wonderful historical coverage of that Soviet weapon

Good one Mark… The more I watch your channel, the more I realize what I don’t know about World War II!

The new Sonic movie looks pretty good

For a moment, I thought this was going to be 1 88mm gun on a Soviet ground attack plane. (Which would be overpowered and shake the plane apart, which is something which happened with Soviet ground attack plane development! (But with somewhat smaller too-huge guns.))

That's crazy that someone was still using a WWII twin-engine prop bomber in 1982. I guess they probably weren't using it as a bomber, but still.

Very interesting! This aircraft reminds me of the Ju88 and, especially, the Do 17!

@edwardcook2973

Жыл бұрын

It should, since the reason it was built was an order by Stalin to the Russian aircraft industry to develop an airplane to be as good as the Ju 88.

@jmccallion2394

Жыл бұрын

@@edwardcook2973 Very interesting, thank you!

TY 🙏🙏

Whew ! ! ! MAN, those Russians must've REALLY hated those German invaders. The idea of a rain of fire and steel like that gives me the shivers up and down my spine - and not nice ones, either. They would have to fly almost right overhead, but then it would be "Good Night, Herman the German!"

Imagine hitting an infantry column with this

I was imagining Tom building something like this to deal with Jerry and then it all backfires.

@JCinerea

Жыл бұрын

Wile E. Coyote and the roadrunner 😁😁😁

They had the right idea Mark but had the wrong weapon system. 👍👍👍👍👍❤️🇺🇸

What a hare-brained idea. Thanks for the video :)

For a country where pianists are treated like national heroes the number 88 seems like it might be more than a coincidence. But the only music this piano could play was a 4 second block chord.

They had looked at this same kind of thing with Thompson Subguns in a B-25 or 26 but I don't believe it ever made it past the drawing board for the same reasons that you've stated here. Even worse for the Thompson being chambered in .45 ACP. Later during Viet Nam, the US mounted Mini-guns in a C-47 that worked well but they still had to fly very low to be effective and those were chambered in 7.62mm NATO which has an effective horizontal range of 1Km.

So, America saw this and said “hold my beer and ice cream. In need both hands “.

This is incredible, I wonder if any examples still exist today?

The A-10 Thunderbolt would be proud

I'll bet that the Hedgehog was noisy as hell to the crew flying it.

@brianreddeman951

Жыл бұрын

Probably not though with prop noise being louder. Even if so, only 4 seconds of firing.