People would rather be in a plane crash than be weighed, pathetic

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Just amazing that thousands and thousands of flights for decades have made it without this procedure.

@FaraYoutube

5 ай бұрын

I'm guessing you haven't watched many air crash investigations.... BECAUSE they operated without this procedure, airplanes were brought down before and people died. It didn't happen to you, so you're fine with it. They're just trying to prevent that from happening again. You have no idea what goes on behind pilot's responsibilities, and many times the airplane couldn't climb as fast because of wrong weight calculations. Why do I even reply to people who make comments like you? Whatever. Who cares how much you weigh. I just want to LIVE. So annoying. All these people are the ones who deserve a lesson from life.

@soothingstories

4 ай бұрын

There is only one crash due to weight, where it was obvious and they knew better. Crashes are caused by other things, unless they purposefully allowed all military men in gear, with 200 lbs of luggage each on board.

I have experienced this on several occasions, I never saw anyone complain. But then again, I am in Europe

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, in Europe they have given away so many of their rights or are not aware of them or know how to enact them - therefore letting different entities take advantage of the situation. I hope those who understand the importance of individual rights will keep standing up for them. Especially, when somehow thousands and thousands of planes for decades and decades have not needed this "Micromanaged, data analytics to a Soviet purpose" type stuff. The crew should be able to judge just by observation and experience if they are "overloaded".

@Maarc-uy3nz

5 ай бұрын

Almost 50% of U.S. citizens are classed as being obese and getting worse. I have had the claustrophobic experience of being sat next to one such person on a flight, after which I will now only sit in an aisle seat.

@CFmurse

5 ай бұрын

@@Maarc-uy3nz I have also had the experience of paying full fare to end up with 3/4 of a seat due to the passenger next to me occupying more space than her seat allowed.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Yes, when someone knows they take up more room and weight they should have the option to buy a middle seat at a 20% discount - something to encourage them to do it and often each flight has a middle seat or two that are empty. Maybe, if the flight ends up empty they get a partial refund. Something to encourage them to do this without it all occurring at the airport or us having to give all of our data to another data base to market to us and "Make guesses" about us by data analysts . @@Maarc-uy3nz

@soothingstories

3 ай бұрын

@@Maarc-uy3nz I don't think airlines are going to be able to motivate and fix the health issues in Finland and the US. I think we have all sat next to the soul who is very uncomfortable and too big for the airplane seat. I try to show them some empathy and understand they do not want to be so obese. Something has gone very wrong in their life or their brain is not working as other people's brain works. Making their life more difficult is not a world I want to live in. I would like to find a way to help them be healthier and comfortable wherever they go. Helping them be more active and social will help.

Should’ve been mandatory for years already.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Can't we just see a person's general weight? Are we not concerned about being overly micromanaged and all privacy being taken from us. I guess you think they should have been allowed to take blood samples already too?

@sproket168

5 ай бұрын

​@soothingstories . I think they are doing a simple cost analysis for future pricing. And they need data. If you're a normal weight, you pay x. If you're fat, you pay more. If you're a cheap O , don't be fat.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

With this sort of logic and thinking we can then charge skinny people in other situations, or just leave them behind when there is a famine, since studies show they are less likely to survive. FinnAir is subsidized by the government, so they do feign caring about a profit, but it and Wow Air in Iceland are the only airlines where I feel I have entered some sci fi horror movie where I have no rights, the whole population has been institutionalized by the few who got all of their data when they were "cool" with giving away all of their rights in the name of helping them make a profit or fly a plane they had been flying a thousand times without this information. But, I guess we have to consider it helps the more trim people feel special and a moment of narcissistic joy to be the "right weight" "the chosen" ones, etc. Then there are the comparisons of how people with disabilities are treated on FinnAIr compared to all the other airlines. They don't seem to be aware of disability rights in the EU, they are maybe heavily influenced by some "Finland First, FinExit" sort of policy, which being so close to Russia sounds like they want to just go with Russia - especially since FinnAir is already feeling so Soviet towards individual rights. @@sproket168

Overseas people volunteer to step on the scale or not and they move on with their lives. Here in the US where everyone is cute, special and unique, it sparks debate and controversy and people feel hurt and experience extra anxiety before flying.

@tonpetitami

5 ай бұрын

Americans are too selfish and too self-indulgent to give up a little bit of what they have been indoctrinated to believe that they are entitled to for the greater benefit of the society

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Maybe, but FInnair is taking away your privacy rights one little thing at a time. Try flying with a disability - they want all your details so they can judge whether you can fly or not, not your doctor. Being "Micromanaged" by people creating "extra jobs" for their Soviet System is just scary for the future. What next? I guess you would be okay if they take a blood sample too?

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Yes, let's promote giving away more and more rights in the name of "something thousands and thousands of flights for decades and decades have not needed". I know this is a Finnish thing to add procedures where none are needed or one simple one could be done instead of many, (kind of like Soviet job creation programs - who really owns Finnair?), but if a procedure is not needed or a better way could be done, like just having a camera scan and guestimate weight and alert the crew if it is looking like too much, wouldn't that be faster. less invasive, and better? The way Finnair is so Soviet to begin with would mean they would even weigh people for a flight they know is only 20% full - because it is "procedure". The "procedure craziness" in Finland is going keep scaring away everyone, but the Russians and other former Soviet type people who it feels normal and usual to. The Finnish Education system and so many things are slipping, because they are letting the "silly ones" do all the "extra silliness".

Even as a fat person I agree to be weighed. The ability of a plane to lift off depends on plane's total weight. A lot of people try to sneak extra weight onto the plane in their pockets, carryons, and body.

@killer2600

5 ай бұрын

Indeed, it's a well known "Travel Hack" to take stuff out of your overweight checked luggage and put it in your "Not weighed" Carry-on, personal item bag, or just wear it onto the plane. Some people have Carry-on bags so heavy that they require help to get it into the overhead bin.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

With the military it makes sense, since there is so much weight and most of their passengers are "bigger people" than the average. So many overweight people already avoid flying, so they are not the typical passengers. Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

LOL.. this is ridiculous. No point for debating. For safety reason, I don't mind even if they make it mandatory.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

@khlua4590

4 ай бұрын

@@soothingstories what privacy? you can just change the weighting method. Put a standard say 100kg, 90kg or whatever (for both passengers and their carryon). Make a scale, get a FIXED counterweight according to the decided standard weight, and just asked people to walk in to the platform, if it doesnt move then they weigh less than standard and its good to go, if they weigh more than they just identify the problem and can just solve it either buy 2 seats or bigger seat or whatever. And guess what, they dont know your weight precisely. You already went through xray machine, i dont see why this matter compared to that. I dont think you know but obese people not only just a burden to airlines but healthcare too. So i dont see why they should get a privilege they have now by just paying for 1 seat but get more seat space by INVADING THE SPACE of other people sitting next to them due to the fact that they cant fit in 1 seat.

@soothingstories

4 ай бұрын

@@khlua4590 Pregnant women especially need to pay for two seats.

@soothingstories

4 ай бұрын

@@khlua4590 Yeah, those of us who are confident due to our genes and lifestyle that we will always be thin, should also benefit from this situation. This will be just the motivation needed for those who are on medication that causes weight gain to lose weight. And those with bad genes should pay for those bad genes - who cares that we sound like Hitler. They are a burden on the system due to their bad genes, upbringing, and then choices due to their bad luck.

@soothingstories

3 ай бұрын

@@khlua4590 I guess if a superior person as yourself lived with this burdens to society you would know how to fix them to be wonderful and full of enlightenment as you are. Please tell these people how to overcome all the abuse, medication side effects, and cruel things they have experienced. Or maybe, it is the genes and your genes are superior? Essentially, that is what you are saying, you are physically superior and not a burden to society. When was the last time a group of people started to think like that and pushed these ideas on society? Mmmmmm, they also took away privacy of the inferior people. So interesting that you think just like them.

You know what infuriates me when flying? That I weigh 52 kg's and can't bring an extra bag weighing less than 5 kg's even though there's people who weigh way more than me bringing in bags stuffed to the max, yet if I would try to bring an extra bag I would be seen as a horrible person. I wish I could be rewarded baggage weight for having low weight.

@misterfunnybones

5 ай бұрын

They should just bill by total weight. Body + bag(s) = total weight. Skinny people can save or bring their whole closet! 😂

@ivanleelivingston4902

5 ай бұрын

Airlines,.... go out of business every year because I am a flying fatty that wasn't charged for my body weight. It's a business and the profit margins are thin. Start charging at least 5 dollars a pound outside the body mass chart. NOBODY, wants a fatty falling into their seat and charging bag weight at 10 bucks a pound is NOT a smart way to avoid the problem. EVERYBODY , needs to stop feeling insulted and pay up so they can make money and stay in business and improve pay for workers . LISTEN, I'm not trying to pick on fat people , myself included but truthfully ....jet fuel and physics don't care if I like eating donuts.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Whenever something seems like a "Genetic or Lifestyle Advantage" can then reverse somehow to put you in the position of the one who physically doesn't "Fit a situation". Laws and rules need to be careful to not create "genetic divisions". Yes, it makes sense when someone is obviously - from just observation - too big for the average seat and their weight will affect the plane - but they should be able to buy a second seat at 20% off - And not have that seat sold out from under them if the flight is full - and all of us sudden their weight doesn't matter.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history?

@khlua4590

4 ай бұрын

yeah, my body + my carryon even with my checked in luggage COMBINED weigh less than 90kg and yet people weighting over 130KG can just get away by paying 1 seat. spilling their body to the seat next to them essentially taking 1.5 seats. The current situation suggest that either FAT PEOPLE get privilege or Thin people get punished, or both.

People could just look up the Air Midwest 5481 crash to see what can happen when airlines do not have accurate average passenger weight estimates to work off of...

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Yes, but would that have been solved by weighing every passenger? Or by realizing that each passenger was not the average passenger and that they were maxed out? That one should have been obvious from just observation. It also is one where the person who voiced the concern and knew better was not listened to.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

@Redcouriercat

5 ай бұрын

​@@soothingstoriesYou are very boring STFU

It‘s physics, pepple.’

Most do not know but the regulatory agencies like the FAA authorize specific passenger weights for male and female winter and summer. Maybe they want to see how much of a difference there is for safety. Auditing the passenger weights is likely a safety concern.

@venterprises383

5 ай бұрын

It is marketing data, and people keep falling for silly reasons to give away their privacy rights. When they are gone they are gone and interestingly enough they will be just as safe as they were before they were forced to lose one more right.

I am totally making up these numbers, but let's say, on average, if an Asian person is 40kg (about 90 pounds) lighter than an American; on an Airbus A350, it can make more than 15 tons(33.000 pounds) of difference(full Asian vs American), which is not negligible. Most of the time, though, on most flights, it will be a highly mixed crowd, but even then, the distribution of those players(edit: I meant passengers) can make the plane front heavy or rear heavy. Of course, I am not an expert, but at first glance, this seems like a very reasonable thing to do.

@killer2600

5 ай бұрын

90 lbs lighter...Are you calling Americans fat?

@7errafirma

5 ай бұрын

​@@killer2600 Not me, the studies say that. The numbers are astonishing; ''The latest data indicate that 39.6 percent of U.S. adults are obese. (Another 31.6 percent are overweight and 7.7 percent are severely obese.)''

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

@Redcouriercat

5 ай бұрын

​@@killer2600Yes and ugly😅

A Curb your enthusiasm episode was about this. On a private plain the pilot needed to know the pasengers weights, NOBODY wanted to be weight in. Larry's special gift was to guess it, and everybody got mad at him😂

Yep, it's for weight and balance purposes. Everyone wants to travel more safely.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

It's because the pilots need to know the weight of all the passengers. Taking off with too much weight would crash the plane. Normally they have to guess the total weight but hope the guess is always accurate, which it might not be especially on bigger planes. If they know the exact weight it saves money on fuel as they don't need to over-estimate the weight. Once you've paid for your ticket the airline can't remove it from you. If the plane weights too much they'll bribe people to take a later flight.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

AI could do a better job guessing now and sending a warning than invading everyone's privacy with an exact number that is part of their private health information. Isn't it something they can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

The data will be useless if its voluntary for passengers to participate to calculate the average weight of carry-on and passengers. Only the skinny young people will be willing to be weight and bias the data. It has to be mandatory for all passengers for the data to be valid!

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

I was flying on a small 19 seater, the ticket agent asked my weight and penned it on a seat map. My coworker, who is taller, stockier, very muscular than me identified his weight as 30 pounds under mine. I told him that this is not a date. The agent advised me that they pen in what they believe is the proper weight for the pilot to make his calculations.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Exactly! AI and trained observation is better than asking the question or creating the "we own you and will make you get on a scale" situation. This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

Right now weight & balance is based on average human weight, but that's an issue if 10 400lb fat people sit in the rear of the plane. 4000 lbs vs 1750 lbs. Or the whole plane is hosting a fat convention. Overweight, failed take off, crash. They should start billing by weight like the freight industry, solve the obesity epidemic & save fuel at the same time. 😂

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

I don't know if this would lead to solving the obesity epidemic. It is much more complex than Finnair creating yet another weird thing where it seems they have been taken over by "Soviet Customer Service". It feels more like one of their "job creation" things. Finland has a bunch of "extra jobs" all over the place. Just to take something to the dump requires interacting with a bunch of "extra" people and approvals. Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

The Military has been doing this for years, Speaking of ATLAS AIR MAC Flights 😆, they make stand on a scale with your carry on or Seabag

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

With the military it makes sense, since there is so much weight and most of their passengers are "bigger people" than the average. So many overweight people already avoid flying, so they are not the typical passengers. Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

I foresee weight-based fares in our future

@killer2600

5 ай бұрын

It's logical, the heavier a plane is the more fuel it burns. Also with Checked baggage having weight limits and Carry-on bags, in most cases, not being weighed people are exploiting this and loading their Carry-on heavy to get around checked bag limits.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

@khlua4590

4 ай бұрын

@@soothingstories privacy my ass, you know they can just put a maximum weight on the ticket right? anything over needs 2 seat, or something special. For example, you just walk into a scale that doesnt weigh you (so it doesnt show kg/lb) but will only dip if you weigh more than their determined standards (for example anything above 80kg will dip and anything below will just stay as it is). Dont make privacy as an excuse for fat people to do whatever they want. You already got scanned anyway, and now you're talking about privacy?

*Many Americans will be barred from flying with this airline.*

@shawnbenz

5 ай бұрын

Good

@xacthuibainhlaonhiemlambai4053

5 ай бұрын

About 30%

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

This is only one of the "controls" they are doing. They push the envelope on honoring a lot of EU civil rights.

More airlines should do this. It will help manage aircraft fuel.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

That would be a good thing. Charge by weight like they do luggage.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history?

@venterprises383

5 ай бұрын

Yeah, I know UK businesses that say they avoid Finland, because it has so much Russia like extra, unnecessary details and for such a small market.

FYI Finland is not part of Scandinavia

@mursuhillo242

5 ай бұрын

Technically a small part is.

@venterprises383

5 ай бұрын

True, it is doing more and more stuff like this that turns off freedom minded people, but feels normal to former Soviet countries that were not used to civil rights or privacy It is sad to see that Finland doesn't see the economic and cultural invasion that they are falling for

They should dot this in small passenger ferries too

Ooof the amount of lawsuits of weight discrimination they would get here in thr US 😅😅 glad Europeans are able to handle this without fuss.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

The EU also has discrimination laws and civil rights, but FInnair especially likes to push the Soviet envelope with them. Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

Very good, heavy load costs more, so should pay more, nothing discriminating about that.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back. If "Skinny People" feel rewarded temporarily, I am afraid there will be a bigger price down the line. Skinny people can be a problem in other situations. During a famine they are most likely to die first, so no reason to feed them after we are sure the famine will continue. That is the spirit of what you are saying to people who are not skinny.

Very good

I think it would be fair if they allowed passengers under a certain weight to carry extra luggage since the rest get too bring 200lb on board for free

@youlookbananas

5 ай бұрын

💀

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

We’re getting fatter aren’t we

Charge the over weight Karen's 😂

Good, they guy that weighs 2x what i do should pay more.

Means no one be allowed to board in the USA 😂😂

You should be forced. We did this in the military and it makes sense.

If i get charged for every kilo of "excess" baggage why shouldn't chubsters be charged for their excess lard? OH NO, thats fatphobic and totally unacceptable!

Airlines should charge by weight. Its BS that a 300lbs fatty gets the same baggage allowance as a 150 guy

My braincells left when he said "Scandinavian airline Finnair".

@boataxe4605

5 ай бұрын

Yep! How someone with such a lack of geographical knowledge can become a news writer or reporter boggles my mind as well.

@shortkari

5 ай бұрын

​​​​@@boataxe4605 People mix "Scandinavian" and "Nordic" all the time. In everyday life they have become synonymous with each other. The correct term would have been 'Fenno- Scandian".. but the general public seldom knows this term. Scandinavian peninsula excludes Denmark and Iceland too. Yet they are referred as "Scandinavian' frequently. Finlands northen region is part of the Scandinavian peninsula, but is still often dismissed being part of the "Scandinavia", as is the case in the comments above. So it really depends what one means with "Scandinavian". Geography, genetics, language, history or the political system, they all play a role when defining 'Scandinavian'. Finlands second official language is Swedish, Finland has a robust social democracy, is part of the "Nordic countries", was part of Sweden for hundreds of years, culturally similar to Sweden, is the only other country in the world where one can speak Swedish (all the other Nordic countries do not speak Swedish), most of the founders, and national figures of Finland spoke Swedish as their mother tongue, the creator of Moomin is a Swedish speaking Finn, etc, etc...😉 So the title 'Scandinavian' and 'Nordic' are synonymous in practice.

my weighr is 112 kg but my girlfriend only 55 kg ..so imagine that i have to pay more ..is ot also posible that my girlfriend gets some money back ?

I think they are doing a simple cost analysis for future pricing. And they need data. If you're a normal weight, you pay x. If you're fat, you pay more. If you're a cheap O , don't be fat.

@soothingstories

4 ай бұрын

I guess the world is that simple for some people. We can continue with that logic. If there is a famine, war situation or such, we should not feed the skinny people, because they have less chance of surviving anyway. Thousands and thousands of flights for years have figured out the weight of the passengers just by looking at them, why now have to be so precise? Don't larger people already pay for two tickets? If it is to cover fuel, can't they have people pay according to a "range of their weight"? Why do they have to get ALL of our personal DATA. Data is worth something on the "resale data - no privacy" market. We really need to be careful to protect our rights, privacy is something we are losing in every direction. Doing a range would still be giving "Data hacks" info, but not precise enough to steal an identity completely.

Hange the name to ThinAir 😂

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

I CANNOT STAND all the conspiracy theories here. Pilots NEED TO KNOW THE REAL WEIGHT of the plane before taking off. PERIOD. Who cares about your weight. People should want to LIVE! Not hide a potentially dangerous number. WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR WEIGHT. Just step on it. HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PRIVACY!!!!!!!!!! Jeeeeesus!!!!!!

And it's not a random sampling since it's voluntary. Good luck with that.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

@thoraero

5 ай бұрын

@@soothingstories Maybe you didn't know how crucial the takeoff weight was. It's the same as arguing against seatbelt.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

I know it is important and that somehow most airlines figure it out for thousands and thousands of flights without weighing everyone. @@thoraero

@thoraero

5 ай бұрын

@@soothingstories That's where the problem is, obviously. They worked under assumptions. When things work, it doesn't mean it's a proper procedure.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

I know this is a Finnish thing to add procedures where none are needed or one simple one could be done instead of many, but if a procedure is not needed or a better way could be done, like just having a camera scan and guestimate weight and alert the crew if it is looking like too much, wouldn't that be faster. less invasive, and better? I know it is a happy moment for "skinny people" to feel special and make people who feel helpless about their weight feel more helpless, etc. but if you take away all the personality disorder stuff - why add something like this, when thousands and thousands of flights do fine without it? The way Finnair is so Soviet to begin with would mean they would even weigh people for a flight they know is only 20% full - because it is "procedure". The "procedure craziness" in Finland is going keep scaring away everyone, but the Russians and other former Soviet type people who it feels normal and usual to. @@thoraero

Can't always depend on IDs bc some ppl lie and others don't update

The problem is them trying to cram more seats in a plane. How about having less seats

@Swimm12984

5 ай бұрын

Totally unrelated to more accurate estimates. Weight and balance is important regardless of the number of people on a plane. Ask Aaliyah

Reminds me of an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

Airlines,.... go out of business every year because I am a flying fatty that wasn't charged for my body weight. It's a business and the profit margins are thin. Start charging at least 5 dollars a pound outside the body mass chart. NOBODY, wants a fatty falling into their seat and charging bag weight at 10 bucks a pound is NOT a smart way to avoid the problem. EVERYBODY , needs to stop feeling insulted and pay up so they can make money and stay in business and improve pay for workers . LISTEN, I'm not trying to pick on fat people , myself included but truthfully ....jet fuel and physics don't care if I like eating donuts.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

That's why it's the name Finn Air. Duh!

Doesn't matter to me...I'm 155 pounds of sinew and muscle 🙂

After accident of Alaska airlines plane max 737 airline door was rip off now safely comes for every one

How embarrassing 😄

Airlines calculation how much water that will take with them how much they can take food with them Airlines need to weigh there Stewart's not the only passengers and how much fuel do they have to take with them obesity and fat people should sit together skinny people should sit together You do want fat person spil out next you on top a person can sweat too much smelly thing you pay for Comfort you're not paying for uncomfort you just want to get safety comfortable flight with delicious food that all you need to worried about

Airlines have flown for decades without this information, seats have gotten smaller so they are cram more passengers into a cabin.

@killer2600

5 ай бұрын

Not true, they have always used this information. The thing that is different is in the past they never asked passengers for it, they acquired the data on average weight and height for a given population from other scientific sources. Getting more accurate data from the actual flying passengers allows for more accurate calculations of required fuel and weight distribution.

@misterfunnybones

5 ай бұрын

Weight & balance based on averages vs actual data. Weight & balance is calculated for every flight. Freight operators don't guess using averages, so why should commercial passenger airlines? It works, but it's not the best method & is arguably unsafe.

@Swimm12984

5 ай бұрын

Ur clearly uninformed. Every aircraft departs with an estimated average customer weight for every person and carryon item. Checked luggage is also subject to estimate averages. This is how weight and balance is calculated to determine aircraft performance throughout the stages of flight. Try to be informed before making silly statements publicly.

Should be called “ThinAir”.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

😂🤣💩🤦‍♂️🤦

Just weight in a group of 5 or 10 at once, then average the data out, privacy issue solved Can hardly pinpoint individuals' particular weight Unless there is a fee for overweight passengers like luggage, then there should be a discount for underweight passengers and luggage 😂

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Wow! This is a great solution! I hope they will do something more like this. Because, isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

probably another cheeky plot to charge extra for heavier passengers. airlines spiked prices when oil prices were up, but never reduced when crude oil prices came down.

@kamman1374

5 ай бұрын

Those people deserve to be charged extra.

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

It would almost be refreshing if it was just for profit. Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back.

What a JOKE they have never done that before why now

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Yes, it seems Finnair has been taken over by something that is abusing the situation to get "data" on everyone and they do not seem concerned with "profit" at all. It is more of a "No one should be flying to save the planet" sort of thing or some "We control all of you" sort of feeling. Instead of being part of figuring out better fuel situations, getting a good observation of a group of passengers weight (from years and years of experience). Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back. If "Skinny People" feel rewarded temporarily, I am afraid there will be a bigger price down the line. Skinny people can be a problem in other situations. During a famine they are most likely to die first, so no reason to feed them after we are sure the famine will continue. That is the spirit of what you are saying to people who are not skinny.

Thinnair

Data they can sell to marketing entities. They will know the age, weight, ethnicity, and other private details that can be used to try to sell types of clothes, fitness products and such to people when they could just do a group estimate or something less invasive. How did the millions of safe flights make it all the decades before without so much personal data?

Outrageous!

@soothingstories

5 ай бұрын

Isn't it something they or AI can just observe without invading privacy? This is something people really need to think through. Already, Finnair acts like people with physical disabilities like MS and Parkinson's disease or who have been crippled in an accident are a burden. Now people who might have taken some medication that caused weight gain are also a burden. Only "Perfect People" on Finnair. When did we have a "Perfect People" get the advantage movement last time in history? It is a slippery slope with our privacy. First they "need" all of these details that are obvious from observation, but then it will lead to needing our "blood draw", a mental evaluation, etc. etc. The sheep give away rights and then the ones with moxy have to fight to get them back. If "Skinny People" feel rewarded temporarily, I am afraid there will be a bigger price down the line. Skinny people can be a problem in other situations. During a famine they are most likely to die first, so no reason to feed them after we are sure the famine will continue. That is the spirit of what you are saying to people who are not skinny.

So many people comment that Finland is becoming the closest thing to the Soviet Union operating in the EU. They also break EU privacy and disability laws towards disabled passengers. They insist on knowing all the disabled persons medical details "to allow them to fly". Other airlines trust the person and their doctors - "No, Mother Finnair knows better". You really are entering a "VERY CONTROLLED and MICROMANAGED" situation with FInnair. None of it is really necessary as well. It is like Soviet Job Creation - most of the roles like the ones not allowing disabled passengers to fly without the approval of some FInnair person to judge based on a few details compared to a person's professional, top doctor. The FInnish Education System and so many things are starting to deteriorate as Finland continues to become more comfortable for those from the former Soviet Union and the not the free world.

@zimih4625

5 ай бұрын

Damn must have taken ages to comment all those brainwashed bs takes you know nothing about, can i have some what you are smoking?

w finnair