hopefully this can help any sigewinne players find the right team for her!

@poochycosme

29 күн бұрын

Was the kokomi C0R0 ?

@KanchukaMaya

27 күн бұрын

What I'd really like to know if how better yelan furina sige and Kazu is over yelan furina fish and jean (My yelan is c4 with plans to C6 and my furina is C2). Just looking for great teams for yelan. I love playing her on field. How viable is yelan furina and mona with Kazu considering C2 furina and C6 yelan?

9:53 "these damage numbers might be a bit inflated" as furina is hitting a solo 79k😭😭

@TheOneRockan

29 күн бұрын

you haven't seen the 133k?

@poochycosme

27 күн бұрын

It's not solo, it's with VV and Kazuha's buff but your point still stands for sure

This team is more flexible than the kokomi variant especially when in abyss with a lot of waves spawning, you can move quickly with yelan and you have more flexibility to switch to kazuha to reapply vv instead of ending kokomi burst early.

Even with the disclaimers the video seems a bit misleading because you're directly comparing a c0 Kokomi vs a c1r1 siswine and using that to conclude that Siswine is generally better on that team. At that level of investment it might be the case but with both at c0 Kokomi should still be better. Just for reference, the F2P recurve bow gives 46% HP while the signature gives 106% (more than a full extra artefact worth of stats) and the c1 increases Siswine's healing and more than doubles her buff (Which is her biggest contribution to the team). And even with all that a c0 Kokomi was extremely close to her performance so in even conditions Kokomi should get ahead.

@taylorgreen2954

28 күн бұрын

Exactly, I’m really disappointed in Jamie because of this video because he’s claiming one is better than the other when they aren’t being compared equally. He’s tried to claim in the comments that even when both are at c0 Sigewinne would still be better and he “got calcs from jstern”, however, if that’s the case then why wasn’t that put in the video in the first place instead of being disingenuous and comparing a c1 5* with signature and c2 Furina to a c0 5*.

@ladderlappen4585

28 күн бұрын

@@taylorgreen2954 because he was too lazy to show it. he doubt hes trying to fool us

@jamiekb9v

28 күн бұрын

"they aren't being compared equally" because I couldn't play an account with both c0 kokomi and c0 sigewinne. that's what the disclaimers throughout the video are for. sometimes you have to work with what you have, not every content creator has the luxury of access to everything. I'm still very grateful for the person that lent their account to work with what i had. in regards to her signature, I already gave sac bow to yelan and they didn't have recurve bow leveled up. but overall, that's what the analysis is for, 60% of the video which shouldn't be ignored just because the account gameplay wasn't perfect.

@taylorgreen2954

27 күн бұрын

@@jamiekb9v That’s fine that you don’t have an account with both a c0 Sigewinne & Kokomi, however, you still can’t say one is better than the other in this team without proof (which the video doesn’t show because they aren’t both showcased c0). You said you talked to Jstern and got calcs from him that supported Sigewinne being better in this team at c0, so those calcs should have been put in the video. The truth is Sigewinne gets significantly better with cons, whereas Kokomi isn’t a constellation reliant unit. I fail to see how a unit with less hydro app, less hydro app uptime, less damage, less healing, less healing uptime, doesn’t have access to supportive sets and weapons like TTDS & ToTM is better in this team. I feel like I should say now as well: Sigewinne has less healing than Kokomi at c0, eventhough she heals the whole party, Kokomi heals with her skill and burst and has a passive that buffs her healing.

@AllSumday

27 күн бұрын

​@@jamiekb9v don't listen they, sige is clearly better than kokomi in monohydro even without c1 and bis even because kokomi do literaly nothing meanwhile sige buff furina skill, yelan with the set of the 4.3 and have a better rotation generaly

I really appreciate you avoiding misleading with the disclaimers from the start. That should be the norm.

@mickysaif

29 күн бұрын

yeah imagine seeing a full clickbait showcase and knowing about high cons only at the end kekw

@dazaiosamu7184

29 күн бұрын

​​@@mickysaif sounds like iwtl dps showdown

@_mako

29 күн бұрын

@@dazaiosamu7184 ? all of his videos start with a disclaimer

@dazaiosamu7184

29 күн бұрын

@@_mako His disclaimers are just a formality, no one reads it and ends up getting the wrong impression from his vids about character strength.

@Mr.Flapalapagoosh

28 күн бұрын

This showcase is dog shit… even without sigewinne tthis furina yelan kazuha could easily bulldozer this abyss

I heavily doubt that Yelan buffing herself will produce the same output as Yelan+Kokomi, that would imply that Yelan is doubling her damage (since mono hydro Kokomi has similar damage output from Yelan, Kokomi and Furina on sims) and that doesn't make sense. Sigewinne here is pretty much relying on clam damage too. At c2+ though, Sigewinne might be a buff. Edit: Then again Sigewinne does give Furina a buff, so certainly a possibility. I'd say it still needs more testing tho.

@blindaim

29 күн бұрын

Sigewinne only buff 10 hits. I doubt it matters a lot.

@mickysaif

29 күн бұрын

​@@blindaimc1 buffs 18 hits with more added flat dmg so it does make huge difference

@blindaim

29 күн бұрын

@@mickysaif Ok, didn't realize add more hits.

@whisperwalkful

29 күн бұрын

Both siegewinne and kokomi are on clam so neither has the "clam advantage". Remember that most of "kokomi's dmg" is just the clam hits, which isnt an advantage anymore bcos the rival is also a clam user. It comes to a contest between kokomi normal attacks vs yelan onfielded dmg + abiiity to reskill on yelan + siegewinne buffs.

@jamiekb9v

29 күн бұрын

Actually I’ve spoken to jstern, someone who’s calced both teams and it seems it’s indeed possible for sigewinne teams to have higher dps at c0 vs c0.

I am personally using Sigewinne with Nahida. Actually surprised me how I went from 50k ticks to 70k ticks of her skill with Sigewinne alone.

@KFCG427

29 күн бұрын

The issue is the buff is for very few instances then gone especially for chars like Nahida Furina who excel in Aoe and then the worst thing is it's shared between all chars unlike Shenhe giving individual X amount to each

@Rpground

29 күн бұрын

@@KFCG427 Oh, I'm not going to deny that. They really screwed Sigewinne for no reason, like I still cannot believe they give such unique and good animations to her charged attacks yet have them scale on attack while the rest of her kit scales with HP. Imagine all the money they're wasting on animating something no one is going to us. Just...it's been four years and they still can't figure out how to design character? Makes no sense.

I came to very similar conclusions as well w.r.t monohydro. I am currently playing around with Nahida/Yae teams with sigewinne since you get less hyperbloom but more aggrevate dmg (variations like Nahida/Yae/Sigewine/flex(like Sara/Kazuha/Sucrose). For Chamber 1, I would advise starting again with Furina's Q then Yelan Q once the Lectors go into shield mode. The idea is to use Kokomi's burst when they spawn in that pyro constructable since Kokomi's Q has enough hydro to insta clear it. It would mean all your buffs active for the last two enemies and you can clear faster.

Thank you for talking about Mono Hydro aaaaa. I’ve been playing Xingqiu/Yelan/Sigewinne/Kazuha with a high con Yelan and C2 Sigewinne and it’s been my new favorite team!

thank you so mich for this video! it really helped me decide to pull for sigewinne, cos i love mono hydro 😊

Kokomi taking up field time isn’t nearly as much of an issue as people make it out to be imo, you can still easily onfield Yelan with Kokomi taking up a team slot instead of Sigewinne by just bursting on Kokomi to reset your jellyfish duration and then immediately swapping to Yelan. If you’re using Kokomi on Prototype Amber you’re also not missing out on healing due to the weapon’s passive (This healing also gets buffed from Kokomi’s passive + Furina’s fanfare + Furina healing when someone is over healed) and you should still be able to reliably burst on Kokomi without having to onfield her because of all the hydro particles the team generates + Prototype Amber helping with her energy requirements.

@mickysaif

29 күн бұрын

and this showcase was with c1r1 sigewinne which is miles ahead than c0r0 meanwhile kokomi works perfectly fine without any upgrades since her weapon is garbage and cons are kinda whatever

@Merquitarika

29 күн бұрын

That's cope, you on field her to heal the whole team quickly and max furina's buff, so the less time you spend doing that the better. Not on fielding her is even worse because then she barely does anything for the team

@taylorgreen2954

29 күн бұрын

@@Merquitarika My comment is cope but saying Sigewinne is better than Kokomi in monohydro (when he’s using a Sigewinne with constellations + Signature + Furina cons as reference against a Kokomi without constellations) isn’t cope? There are so many variants of Monohydro, such as versions with Xingqiu or Ayato (Ayato being a burst support when ran with Kok), in those teams Kokomi can run TTDS and/or ToTM, she’s also applying Hydro from off field and still has amazing healing to the on field character, with 100% uptime on both. It’s disingenuous to say she is barely doing anything for the team just because she’s not staying onfield to NA during her burst.

@luiss428

29 күн бұрын

​@@Merquitarika how is using kokomi onfield cope??? she was designed to deal dmg through her burst enhancement sigewinne and kokomi can both heal the whole party, but kokomi has an added advantage of just being designed for beong onfield

@christianmoraes7206

29 күн бұрын

@@luiss428reread the comments, theyre saying NOT using koko onfield is cope

wow. Sgigwine looks quite ok. She fixes Furina biggest problem for me - very high field time - due to slow animations. Now Furina/Sigw total probably 3.5 sec?

Yelan is the only high damage dealing on field on this team so i feel like this could aslo be a yelan hypercarry comp since she doesnt have a lot buff sources.

@kamicokrolock

29 күн бұрын

That's how I use this team as a c6 Yelan haver. I have been modifying Yelans hyper cary team for quite some time. I started with Mona, Kazuha and Zhongli as her supports. Later I bumped both Mona and Kazuha in favor of Furina and c2 Jean. Now I'm running her with Furina, Seigwinne and Kazuha and I'm of the opinion that this is currently her best c6 hypercarry team. You can't beat Kazuhas buffing and cc ability here and Seigwinne as a healer lets you run him over Jean who provides no cc and just vv buffs. Seigwinne also buffs Furinas personal damage which is pretty significant even without any buffs. Zhongli wasn't providing much to this team outside of interruption resistance. Tenacity set buffs attack (this is an HP scaling team) and all elemental res shred is nice but not game changing.

@el7284

29 күн бұрын

Nope. On sac sword, C2R1 Furina is outdamaging her from off-field, especially with Sigewinne. I do slingshot Yelan runs with Jean, Furina and either Fischl or Xingqiu as the last slot. Yelan does about half the team damage. Not enough to be hypercarry. Another example is Hu Tao Furina teams. At low cons, Bennett turns it into a hypercarry comp (somewhat) while Jean changes it to "onfield Pyro DPS comp"

@putent9623

26 күн бұрын

​@@el7284I don't understand your comparison. Are we talking C0 or C2R1 all of them?

@el7284

26 күн бұрын

@@putent9623 first paragraph is talking about this specific team: C0 sac Yelan with C2R1 Furina. Second paragraph is talking about C0 Slingshot Yelan with C0 Festering Furina. In both cases, she doesn't do enough team damage to be considered a hypercarry _team_ even though the playstyle is the same.

I tried it with Ayato instead of Yelan and it felt fantastic! Even had some space to use Sigewinne's burst.

It’s interesting that you and Jello came to this same conclusion, because calcs put her decently behind Kokomi. Kokomi can deal 25-30% of the team’s damage. A ~20% buff for Yelan (driving) and ~20% buff for Furina doesn’t stack up to Kokomi’s damage mathematically. I do appreciate how you tend to focus on practicality and how teams play which can diverge from sheet impact pretty often

@michaelbones7536

29 күн бұрын

c2r1 Furina affects proportions a lot, taking a big chunk from Kokomi. Which is very favorable to Sigewinne and her buff, but even then c1r1 barely surpasses c0r0 Kokomi. I think saying she's strictly better than Koko here is too early to say the least.

@jamiekb9v

29 күн бұрын

I’ve discussed this with jstern who has calced both teams and it seems sigewinne can indeed calc higher dps. Can I ask where you heard it calced worse? 🤔

@NotAName1

28 күн бұрын

​@@jamiekb9v 2 days ago jstern said that "Sigewinne is the same as (C0) Kokomi at C1," though he did make some qualifying statements: kzread.infojM0CXCQDE0g?si=_52Oqk3abbGX_oDj&t=2249 I think it's clear at the level of investment you tested her at here (C1R1) she's an improvement. If you and jstern had a private discussion about C0 to C0 comparisons and came to a different conclusion I think a lot of us would like to know the ins and outs so we can better understand what we're missing

@Ranamon9132

27 күн бұрын

@@jamiekb9vyou keep saying this yet didn’t include any of the proof in the video then continue to sound salty in your community post. You’ve been supported for such a long time for good unbiased content but this is disappointing mate. Do better.

Small upgrade at c1r1 over c0r0 kokomi. Also in wave content I get better results replacing kazuha with Xingqiu in the kokomi team

@alexownn382

29 күн бұрын

It seems she’s an upgrade over Kokomi even at c0r0 and a further upgrade with cons and weapon.

@simonditomasso9868

28 күн бұрын

@@alexownn382 perhaps, my kokomi is C1R1 so I couldn't even do a personal testing if I summoned for a c0 sigewinne. With characters like sigewinne that perform better in spreadsheets than in game, you really have to test in game.

@alexownn382

28 күн бұрын

@@simonditomasso9868 does Sigewinne really performs better on spreadsheet? How so?

@simonditomasso9868

28 күн бұрын

@@alexownn382 spreadsheets are single target, and sigewinne's buff does not scale linearily. If an off field skill hits 5 enemies at once, it consumes 5 sigewinne buff stacks. This is why characters like sigewinne shenhe yunjin (and cloud retainer although it's a little different for her) tend to perform better in spreadsheets than in game

Navia Furina Sigewinne Albedo/Chiori Childe/Ayato Furina Sigewinne Kazuha I believe these teams will feel a lot better to play

@Chopsparillo

29 күн бұрын

@@Memory169They said Navia

@buthter

29 күн бұрын

@@Memory169 No I would not recommend running Sigewinne in a Neuvillette team tbh, at least not at c0 neuvillette..

@izmif980

29 күн бұрын

@@Memory169 i dont see neuvillette

@Evitzeoshowerthoughts

29 күн бұрын

childe or ayato above yelan? Like is this just for gameplay feeling? I highly doubt yelan is being outdamaged because of hydro reso and buffing herself, and wasn't the fault of kokomi being not quickswap viable. as for navia. I don't have any strong opinions on it. I guess, again, just trying to make a team for sigweinne? I get the feeling Bennett will be better.

@KFCG427

29 күн бұрын

Lol i see Sigewinne is like the Ayato upgrade i mean instead of Yelan onfield if u play Ayato Sig Furina Kaz ,it's like buffing him than before whereas Neuvi didn't need a buff anyways so

whats crazy ab mono hydro is just the amount of off field attacks. the units do well in close & long range which leads to crazy effective uptime mono cryo suffers a lot bc of enemy resistances but also cause it has no range to deal with any enemies. whatever off field cryo is available is circle impact with the offset of layla but even then you lose a healing option.... even if you wanted to cope with mono electro, you at least have some range to deal with spacing/enemies etc. Mono hydro has some of the best units in the game, and the ranged/AOE attacks to deal with the various enemies that get thrown at us in abyss. really fun team.

wow it’s been ages since i last since someone doing the aea combo with yelan somewhat touching

While I understand you didn’t really have a better option a c1r1 to c0 comparison feels like too large a gap. Sigewinne is effectively taking up 2 extra characters worth of primo investment here. Also while I haven’t looked to deeply into sigewinne theory crafting. I have repeatedly heard that she gets above average improvement with constellations and her weapon. Not mentioning that in the video feels disingenuous. This character just feels very disappointing overall. Could have been a different story as a 4 star or standard 5 star but that’s not what we got.

This is really interesting and I’m glad Sigewinne has a decent place in the meta at low cons… but I have to be honest, the way you portray your conclusions seems a bit distorted. You basically discovered that Sigewinne, on top of the QoL of not requiring field time unlike Kokomi, is a slight improvement in your testing scenarios… and this last part seems a key factor that wasn’t addressed properly enough, even though your periodic reminders through out the video. Yelan being on field benefitting from her own buff isn’t that much of a game changer like you describe because with Kokomi she can still benefit from it instead of Yelan, might be worse but not that much and if you swap out early from Kokomi then Yelan still gets the full ramping buff anyway since it ramps for every character even if they are off field and activates the moment they are on field. So let’s put that out of the equation, what do still we have? We don’t have Kokomi’s on field damage, which in mono hydro is still very significant when she can stay on field, meaning Sigewinne’s skill buff is mainly carrying the the team on top of the Kokomi version. C1 is actually a big deal, it almost seems like you play it down a bit but Sig’s buff scaling increases by 25%, that paired with Furina being C2 is extremely significant: with Furina being C2 a larger portion of the team damage comes from her compared to C0 (thanks to the additional HP mechanic), so Sig’s buff gains even more value and I admit with Furina is already decent at a baseline, especially if you kill stuff fast enough for the first portion of the buffed skill to have higher ratio compared to the unbuffed part. I don’t have time nor the will to do the math on the Furina C2 HP increase in this team so I won’t try to spit out numbers that might also not reflect the reality, maybe I’m also missing something else, but it seems clear to me that at the very least both Sig being C1 and Furina C2 plays a big role in the results you are getting compared to Kokomi, the comparison is far from fair and even then the conclusion is that Sig is only a marginal increase? You didn’t address this properly and I’m surprised by it. Let me know if I’m missing something, but if what I say makes sense I invite you to try again with C0 Sig and C0 Furina since the conclusions you came to with this video can’t be generalised as you did. Imo Anyway thank you for your insights

To play the more flexible on-field version of mono-hydro, you can also use Jean/Xianyun instead of kazuha and replace Kokomi with Xingqiu. You obviously lose kazuha's grouping but the team is mostly single target. There's also his dmg% buff of course. But in exchange you get xingqiu's damage, resistance shred and comfort. I don't actually know how it compares to the Kokomi/Sigewinne versions since I don't have either but it works well in my experience as a brain-off ST team

Nice, didn't think about yelan. I've been using yae/sucrose, to boost up the turret damage alongside furina's summons. EDIT: now that i think about it, yelan/heizou could be a fun team too~

I already saw Neuvillette c6, Sigewinne with Sacrificial bow R5 and Furina so busted in spiral abyss. 10 sec charged attack from Neuvillette.

Not a Sigewinne haver, (and probably won't be one) but Soluna is cooking something with Sigewinne/Furina/Deyha/Nahida and the team does look extremely fun. Team gets to make use of Sigewinne's burst at c0

This is very interesting! Does C1 Kokomi "close" the gap in any way in your opinion? Since it's a buff to her personal output, which may or may not make up for her current "issues" and I'm also just curious!

@Forakus

29 күн бұрын

Kokomi is better in every single scenario c0 or not

@jamiekb9v

29 күн бұрын

@@Forakus can I ask for your source on that? 🤔

@taylorgreen2954

28 күн бұрын

@@jamiekb9v He’s not wrong, even if Sigewinne is a minor upgrade over Kokomi in monohydro, she has so many more teams than Sigewinne where you can slot her in that it makes pulling for Sigewinne just for this team not even slightly worth it, especially for f2p players. I would much rather have a unit that’s a minor downgrade in one team but in return can be put into so many others.

@fish4344

28 күн бұрын

In general you wanna cancel Kokomi's NA chain because her last NA has lower MV iirc. N2D/W or weaving CA in some teams for more hydro app is the way. So C1 is not really a big upgrade and is not even used most time.

Do you think she will work well with burn reactions + furina? Also, is her c1 or c2 worth getting?

Would you advise against pulling her specifically for navia chiori furina team? Looked like a promising team pre-release but now I see less people talking about it, although on paper it does have synergies right?

@jamiekb9v

29 күн бұрын

I haven’t been able to test that team but being an improvement over Bennett xiangling would be very difficult.

@taylorgreen2954

28 күн бұрын

Sigewinne’s skill buff is shared across all party members and also only affects off field skills, so no it wouldn’t be worth pulling her for that team specifically unfortunately.

Hi Jamie! Can i ask your opinion on nilou as on field dps with golden troupe?

One thing I love in Monohydro team is to onfield my Kokomi and deal dmg with her. And even if Clam is best, I built her a MH set just for her to crit =D (with BP weapon, I have a 52/110 crit ratio, low ER but monohydro and fav Kazuha help for that xD)

Hi Jamie, very interesting analysis and showcase, it's really good to see someone who actually test characters before doomposting on them. I wanted to ask you: I happen to have c1r1 Kokomi (only c0 was really intended), and I also have a good clam set which, combined with weapon and constellation, makes her damage in her burst state pretty good, and I enjoy a lot playing and on-fielding her in this team. In my specific situation, would c0r0 Sigewinne be an actual upgrade over her in this team? I honestly don't think so but I'd like to hear your opinion

I built my c0 sigewinne as a Burst DPS for the meme but surprisingly she did well on floor 12, ofc thats cuz of buffs and cons on my furina. My team is Sigewinne/AquaSim, c2 Furina/Festering, Kazuha/Xiphos, Mona/FavCod and she would hit 48k to 50k per tick(?) In 2.5 secs then do the rotation again. Easily get energy but only problem is Sigewinne's CD is quite long to do the rotation consistently.

Jamie has forsaken Nilou, Ayaka and now Kokomi, I will forever cherish Kokomi, Sigewinne stand aside!

Maybe some future burning teams where her low hydro app is relevant?

@no-do4pv

29 күн бұрын

That could work considering Emilie mostly deals damage from her skill

I am actually play mono hydro with Furina, Yelan, Xingqui, Xianyun/Jean. IDK if its good but it is confy to play

Im hydro (true) HP scaling girls hunter (Kokomi is fake btw), so I don't mind getting constellations on them and Sigewinne C2 is huge for me. I can play Sigewinne, Furina, Yelan and on-field my C6 Nilou (and Furina). Tho it's sad that I can't get a RES shred from Nilou C2 without a Dendro unit. Maybe they'll release a better matching Hydro waifu as the last piece to my team 😊. Also thinking about C6ing Sigewinne in the future ❤.

@jamiekb9v

29 күн бұрын

Congrats! And I didn’t realise that type of account actually has tons of characters to go for 😃

question... now that sigweinne is out hydro baizhu, any teams for like.. idk Hu Tao furina sigweinne and zhongli

@ginger2114

29 күн бұрын

Well, I am guessing you wouldnt have enough hydro to vape, since Sigewinne has an awful hydro application and Furinas not really enough, but you can try it if you have it ig.

And with NaviaFurina could she work better than Bennet?

Would Kuki work decently as another option instead of Kokomi/Sige if Furina is c2? She could carry fav and just build for max HP and healing. This lets u on field Yelan for Hunter set and no circle impact

@mickysaif

29 күн бұрын

you can just use sac barbara on field instead because her normals heal the whole team

@portable.barbara

28 күн бұрын

kuki's skill steals siggy's buffed hits from furina's creature attacks

@charlesang5546

28 күн бұрын

@@portable.barbara kuki would replace Sig in this case. Team is Kuki Barbara Yelan Kaz

@charlesang5546

28 күн бұрын

@@mickysaif im already using Noelle on field for that, im more interested in options that allow Yelan on field

What about teams that could help Furina Vape? Wouldn't that increase Sigewinne's buff value?

@Vice8641

29 күн бұрын

just some guessing on my part: vape furina can be a nice bonus but is usually not something to build a team around since not all of her E hits can vape, and due to forward vape removing pyro each time, even the hits that *can* vape sometimes don't starting with sige+furina, you already have double hydro; if building around Furina's damage you also want Kaz, so that's only one free slot for a pyro unit; whoever you put isn't going to be doing too much damage, just applying pyro

@TheMoonestOne

29 күн бұрын

@@Vice8641 I was thinking about maybe a burning vape team, dunno (Like Pyro on-field, Furina, Sigewinne, Dendro off-field). The main problem with dendro would be "wasting" stacks if it's skill dmg as well, like for Nahida, but who knows... But you're probably right on you guess.

@portable.barbara

28 күн бұрын

you're spot on though. for a video about exploring sigewinne's best possible team, the fact that klee or xiangling + kazuha to forward vape furina was not even Mentioned... it really shud at least be mentioned and compared

Have a guarantee within 10 pulls and pretty much no savings pulling for Clorinde(got her on an alt account so not that bitter). Definitely not going to get her to be barely better than Kokomi at c1 with her sig. I'd have liked to see all that without c1 or sig. Though to be honest, Natlan is right around the corner so I should be saving anyway lol.

This showcase makes 0 sense. To compare Sigewinne to Kokomi in monohydro and not on field either of them which is literally the only point of them being in these teams is ridiculous. This is just a waste of Sigewinne signature

@portable.barbara

28 күн бұрын

i believe even with the sigewinne signature she still isnt doing any significant dmg with her burst to the pt that it wud create meaningful dmg difference vs yelan on-field buffing herself

@Nova-we4oj

28 күн бұрын

@@portable.barbara kokomi on field dmg in monohydro is very strong. if sigewinne cannot use burst in this team without team losing dmg (i believe she can at the start of yelan burst before the buff ramps up), then there is absolutely no reason to use her over kokomi. this whole idea that sigewinne is an "upgrade" comes from her skill having easy teamwide healing without having to burst, but if this was truly the only thing kokomi was doing in this team, people wouldve just used barbara from the start who can do the exact same thing faster. but people choose kokomi. why? what does she have over barbara? hmm... damage. its also worth mentioning that yelans self buffing is not significant because of the ramp up time and additionally diminishing returns from stacking it with furinas buffs (if furina is c2 this problem is even further exacerbated). yelans self buff in a team with so much dmg% already is not enough to overcome the benefit of a whole other persons worth of dmg who perfectly drives the team quite frankly

Using vourukasha's💖💖 Hope this helps

@deewoodworth5410

29 күн бұрын

It's the only thing I have available for her rn and I threw on skyward harp bc I trashed recurve😭😭😭😭😭

@Rorensuwl8

29 күн бұрын

​@@deewoodworth5410 talk to NPCs! (Google is your friend)

@mickysaif

29 күн бұрын

​@@deewoodworth5410you can get a recurve bow from sumeru npc near tighnari's house

When you have to deal with pyro shield, I ain't wasting my time on that dollar store hydro app. And yeah being barely an upgrade with a sig, when sig are such an nightmare to get. And siegwinne sig is not usable on anyone but her.

13:05 I see what you did there

Me with "parts of a puzzle we don't have yet": - "Welp dear new unit, I'll pull you when you'll actually be relevant" There's no reason to go out of my way for it now instead of when I have more info tbh. Kinda tired of this way of doing things, especially because it stung a few times in the past. Sometimes I'm just not sure to like the full picture. To this day, Dendro or not, I still feel the like of Yae, Ayato or Cyno were a scam lol.

Anyways, pulling a 5 star, to use 1 tap E each rotation (precisely to avoid her animations, otherwise she's worse) is already a big loss.

@christianmoraes7206

29 күн бұрын

Her burst animation is dope so I understand what u mean, but there are plenty of other 5 stars that are like that too. We have a whole archon that just holds e and then swaps out, 5 star burst animations are long anyways so could be seen as a positive tbh

@taylorgreen2954

28 күн бұрын

Exactly, it’s better to pull Kokomi even if she is slightly worse because she can fit into so many more teams.

Replace yelan with fischl is better in that team for electro charged and also cause yelan can't do damage in sigewene burst

Seegewine is a healer so , she be used for gaining furina stacks , but this furina is c2 , so I don't even see the point of watching this video , as i will not see much benefit of seegewine herself .

is there any real benefit to using sigewine over just putting a charlotte oor any aoe healer with more utility? also isn't this only an upgrade for speedrunning as kokomi onfield will end in more dmg?

@muhammadrafif1871

29 күн бұрын

This is one of my favorite team since i'm yelan simp (but broke so no C6 for me sadge) and from my experience, i'm clearing a bit faster using sijwin compared to charlotte and baizhu. Charlotte used to be my favorite because she can bring freeze utility but only if kazuha can infuse cryo. Using baizhu can be more preferable to some player because he have small shield for IR, but i personally don't like to use him because he takes too much field time and he doesn't feels fluid to play. For me personally i like sijwin more than other now simply because she doesn't take too much field time and feels more fluid to play. Just a reminder the difference in between C1R1 sijwin buffing C2R1 furina is VERY HUGE compared to C0 sijwin buffing C0 furina so although sijwin buff furina damage, it's much lower than 20% like the video shown. For your second question, Idk which one is better between this team and kokomi onfield team, but what i can say is that using this team compared to kokomi on field can be advantageous in multi wave scenario because you can swap out your yelan to swirl hydro on to the new wave of enemy with kazuha.

@portable.barbara

28 күн бұрын

she provides a small buff to furina's dmg (and sizeable buff at c1), she also produces 4 hydro particles for furina. jamie quoted jstern calcs saying c0 vs c0 sigewinne can be slightly ahead. jamie did mention kokomi didnt get much field time bcuz of the quick-swappy nature of the team hence not using kokomi to her full potential. but seriously they are razor-thin differences, use the one that fits your playstyle the most to get the most leverage

@trlwaifulover7593

28 күн бұрын

@@portable.barbara c1 is HUGE for furina dmg, also because even stuff like yelan/kazu skill will use the chargers means furina won't get as much of a damage increase at c0 sige

@muhammadrafif1871

28 күн бұрын

@@trlwaifulover7593 Correction. Sijwin buff only applies to OFF FIELD character so yelan and kazuha won't eat up the stack.

@trlwaifulover7593

28 күн бұрын

@@muhammadrafif1871 thanks for the correction, but doesn't that mean she also eat it?

The biggest problem with mono hydro is that you might as well just play Neuvillette.

@OktavianusCelestialine

29 күн бұрын

This is assuming your Neuvi is busy on the other team considering he is a very versatile character, even more so than Kokomi, so you have 2 strong hydro-based teams. maybe the right question is "Is it worth pulling Sigewinne just to create 2 hydro-based teams?" If I had to make 2 hydro-based teams my best choice would still be Neuv x Furina and Yelan x Xingqiu.

@santi3256

29 күн бұрын

@@OktavianusCelestialine I dont think that situation would happen. Like when u need hard hydro u put neuvilete and probably with kazuha and furina xddd. In the case u need hydro in 2 teams, i just think u are using yelan in a regular comp and that's all. This team is just to give sigewine a reason to exist which she haven't yet (maybe next patch with emilie and with natlan she gets better)

@archieprime

29 күн бұрын

I, too, lack sovl

@starethequiet8633

29 күн бұрын

Neuvilette is boooooooring not everyone summoned him

@portable.barbara

28 күн бұрын

this comment can literally apply for every genshin video that exist but replace 'mono hydro' with topic of video

Kinda painful to watch that team when kokomi does it so much better

@XiaZ

29 күн бұрын

You mean a bit worse, not better.

@leonthomas2020

29 күн бұрын

didn't he just list reasons why that sigewinne team can be better? you can even see it in the gameplay, if you burst on kokomi and then another wave spawns right after you have to swap out to refresh vv so koko's burst uptime gets lost a bit. but i'd be willing to see this again but comparing c0 sigewinne this time.(i dont think it'd be much of a problem if you just run sac bow since the team is pretty quickswap)

@taylorgreen2954

29 күн бұрын

@@leonthomas2020 that’s the problem, he’s basing “Sigewinne being better than Kokomi in Monohydro” on a Sigewinne with cons against a c0 Kokomi which just isn’t a fair comparison.

@christianmoraes7206

29 күн бұрын

@@taylorgreen2954 well even if they are just sidegrades at c0, yelan is still more flexible than koko rotation wise at the end of the day, so sayin its "painful" to watch bc koko "does it so much better" is just bait

@taylorgreen2954

29 күн бұрын

@@christianmoraes7206 but they’re not sidegrades at c0, Sigewinne has worse damage, less hydro app uptime, less healing, less utility, and is overall much much worse than Kokomi until she herself gets cons. Look at the clear times in the video, even with c1, her sig, and Furina c2 helping her, Kokomi’s c0 clear times were pretty close to Sigewinne’s.

Nah I'm good my kokomi kills things lol.

First?

bruh i lost 50/50 to dehya, and im glad i didn't get sigewinne lmao

The ~40s side 1 that isn't ever shown isn't relatable AT ALL.

still useless, kokomi can hit from hand and she have better heal

Copium. Sigewinne is a tax write off for Hoyoverse.