So basically we're seeing cool technology 25 years after its invention simply because of patents.

@emreengin2331

4 жыл бұрын

This comment is underrated.

@vidznstuff1

4 жыл бұрын

Um...no. What you're seeing is OLD technology becoming available now without further innovation. The powdered metal printers are more advanced today (I believe your term is "cool tecchnology") than TWENTY (you are correct that the technology is older than the patent) years ago because competitors were FORCED to either license (cost) or innovate (very high cost) as soon as the patent was granted. It's easy to steal property, which you appear to be a fan of, or don't understand that's what is happening; it's expensive to create it. Why spend a few million dollars when you can just use tech from someone else?...everybody is in a Mexican Standoff, no new innovation/tech gets developed. Innovation carries immense risk, so the R&D has to factor risk, actual money and resources expended, and payback period. Without a patent, there is no payback or exclusivity.

@TheNewton

4 жыл бұрын

Imagine thinking laziness is mutually exclusive to innovation or that believing state of the art wouldn't be even further if patents expired faster.

@dejayrezme8617

4 жыл бұрын

That is basically the function of patents, to retard innovation. Innovation and especially disruptive technologies is a huge problem for long term investments and shareholder value. Patents provide a way to control knowledge and the pace of innovation and slow it's adoption down by not allowing normal market competition. I mean imagine a world without patents and how much faster new technologies and products would come out of e.g. china replacing previous products and brands. There are trillions and trillions invested into companies that frequently go out of business because they couldn't be lazy anymore.

@noseltda4685

4 жыл бұрын

what an imbecile...the technology its been there for 25 years...but its not for poor people...thats ok, those that developed make a good industrial business out of it so it was worth the invested money and time

Even if this isn't cheap enough for consumers you could very well sell this to 3d printing services or makerspaces.

@fakiirification

4 жыл бұрын

once china gets ahold of it it will be consumer priced. look at the cheap as chips CNC laser cutters you can get these days. i would happily work a second job to afford a 5 or 10k machine that can produce METAL parts for my projects in the garage, without needing to make a mold and melt PLA out then cast aluminum.

@BradKwfc

4 жыл бұрын

Shapeways already does this with a variety of metals.

@peterbelanger4094

3 жыл бұрын

Someone is going to have to find a completely new process for 3D printing metals. Something that does not require inert gasses and messy powder. Not only is this printer out of price range for consumers, it requires a more expensive workshop and materials. You can't use this in a typical home office or bedroom, it needs a garage or basement converted to a fully setup workshop. Metalworking and fabrication of any kind, additive or subtractive requires a pretty major setup. Not for the casual hobbyist. We may never see a desktop 3D printer that does metal. Metals are just plain harder to work with.

@TheCort1971

3 жыл бұрын

go look up a company called relativity space to see what this can really do.

@jovand6606

Жыл бұрын

@@peterbelanger4094 There already are diy electro chemical deposition 3d printer prototypes that can be retrofitted to rgular FDM printers, they work by electroplating thin lines of metal over each other similar to FM. As far as i know process is slow, but doesn't rquire any fancy lasers, electron beams or metal powders

They need to send some test peaces to cnc kitchen for testing.

@alexanderbraun2138

4 жыл бұрын

Maybe we'll seeeee that next time Btw: *pieces

@user-wo2gu7iq7n

4 жыл бұрын

Eee!!! CNC Kitchen!!!

@XD-te6vj

4 жыл бұрын

pieces...

@RomanoPRODUCTION

4 жыл бұрын

He will need to upgrade his testing devices

@ImaginationToForm

4 жыл бұрын

@@alexanderbraun2138 feces.

In the future, KZread will just send you an STL file for the play button instead of actually sending it.

@vke6077

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheRybka30 hopefully

@RomanoPRODUCTION

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheRybka30 amf?

@alberttyong

4 жыл бұрын

And then it pops up on Thingiverse :P

@blindsniper35

4 жыл бұрын

And hopefully a voucher to go buy the gold/sliver (I don't know about the purity of the gold/silver) or if it's just plated gold/silver for the play button)

@DigBipper188

4 жыл бұрын

It'll still take them 5 years to do that lol

I really hope One Click Metal goes far and becomes a top competitor in metal fusion 3D printing. Even though the product isn't near my budget quite yet, I appreciated them breaking down the cost of an entry-level machine, their machine's cost, remaining diligent on lowering the cost, even more, to make them affordable to everyday people, and especially their honesty. Great people, company, and outstanding product! looking forward to seeing more from you guys in the future. Count me in when it's 10k (EUR).

Hopefully the money don’t change the way they thinking now, for sure they will be a great success. Kudos for them.

When you see the passion in the eyes of the people working on something, you KNOW the product will succeed!

@alfonsoflorio

Жыл бұрын

my exact thought. And look during the interview the silent guy looking at his partner and smiling. That is a successful partnership right there

Every single time I hear "what could you do with a metal 3D printer?" I say "alot" in my mind.

Oh thats cool, I know these guys from my internship at TRUMPF in the additive manufacturing department when they were still a part of it. I saw them everyday tinkering on it and we talked about it during lunch etc. Great guys, miss those days!

@hullinstruments

3 жыл бұрын

Any more information about the laser source they are using? I’m curious what type of optical output power is needed for something like this? And the wavelength? I’m Very familiar with all the laser manufacturers, but not pertaining to the 3-D printing and additive Manufacturing world. I would have guessed an IPG module or maybe a few stand alone coherent “fap80l modules.....coupled to a fiber .... I’m very familiar with the industrial lasers by coherent and IPG and others… I’m always shopping for them and buying them on eBay secondhand that have been decommissioned from equipment… Just to play with and experiment with in my lab. I would say the majority of my discretionary shop budget gets invested into lasers and optics that I’m always scouring eBay looking for. It’s incredible the type of high power fiber laser sources and modules/optics that can be found on eBay for pennies on the dollar. Obviously that wouldn’t be practical for their needs… But I would just love to know more about their laser source. Optics and laser technology is extremely complex and Touchy. The smallest change in optics, ambient temperature in the laser cavity, or the slightest change in polarization, can absolutely destroy the laser source. So I’m curious how these guys got around it and would love to know more about their actual source and development.

@Marv3D

3 жыл бұрын

@@hullinstruments i wasn't really deeply involved in that project. And even if I knew, I'm not allowed to tell anybody outside the company.

businesses, universities and large schools might be able to afford 50k I think the majority of hobbyists need something under a 1000 bucks otherwise they can expect retribution form their significant other!!

@vidznstuff1

4 жыл бұрын

There's a track record of $5k and $10k being the trigger point for mass adoption by individuals. This is not for hobbyists, who don't care about trade secrets - they will need to use a service for the foreseeable future.

@vidznstuff1

4 жыл бұрын

@TrustMeImAScientist1 Research is not paid for by tuition

@Dragoon74

4 жыл бұрын

@@vidznstuff1 Are students not involved in the research?

@ColdHawk

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah - unless you enjoy “sleeping out in the cold” you should probably limit your big hobby purchases!

@lucasmagno9148

4 жыл бұрын

50k is something some high schools engineering labs could afford, this price point really is game changing.

If they can get their price down to €50000 that would represent a huge slice of the prosumer to small business market that can now afford metal printing. The floor will just keep dropping from there.

I'm very excited to see that someone is finally able to tackle the massive issue of the cost of this type of 3d printer, and getting down to even 50,000 blows my mind, and gives me hope that one day I will have my own, and so will many many others and the world will change forever, Again! Manufacturing at home has already gone further than I could have imagined 10 years ago and i never thought I'd have a 3d printer that prints almost any shape out of pla or tpu either for that matter! Thanks for sharing and as always keep building👍

@bowa420

4 жыл бұрын

What about the iro3d printer........ metal printing is already way cheaper than $50,000

@ToddLarsen

4 жыл бұрын

@@bowa420 That deposition printer is very low quality and detail and you have to have an expensive kiln or furnace to bake the print afterward and it uses sand as supports contaminating the metal.

@sizlax

4 жыл бұрын

You'll have your own around the same time that 3D glasses go mainstream.. So probably another 5-10 years minimum, even then, the quality standard will start pretty low and be prone to shitloads of failures and wasted investment. Honestly, I'd be surprised if the gov wasn't trying their best to stone wall these things from going mainstream, mostly because you'd be giving everyone in a developed (and many even in undeveloped) countries a machine capable of creating real guns.. That's bad enough in places like America where people are generally allowed to have guns, and the worst thing to worry about is a failure in the creation process causing misfires, but then Canada where it's not legal for most people to own/carry guns, it could certainly be reason for fear. I mean, especially considering you could even get creative with it and make guns that don't look like guns.. it's a scary thought.

@jordanvinroe2861

4 жыл бұрын

@@sizlax guns aren't scary. It's thinking like this that causes problems with development of new technologies, and depletion of civil rights.

@mookfaru835

3 жыл бұрын

No its not, how are you going to make the bullets? Those are hard to make

I would like one of these very much. I think, low cost metal 3d printers would literally change the world we live in.

Way to leverage some open-source software! (octoprint)

Hmmmm, that's intriguing. I was under the impression those patents were still active.....I just found a new hobby 😆

very cool. I see metal printing as a cheap alternative to metal casting, where you still need to machine surfaces that need precision/tolerance or good surface finish. Making this process affordable and still very precise is pretty awesome.

Thanks for covering this Tom! Fantastic video, fantastic technology.

They have CPU coolers on the Laser. For around 400 to 600 W of heat.

@naomiwolf8944

2 жыл бұрын

Prototype?

Very cool machine. Thanks for the interview Tom! They said below 50k euros and eventually 10k euros. Still a lot of money but better than millions!

@dnbadamwalker

4 жыл бұрын

It's a starting point tho like the original plastic machines

@christianriekert2908

4 жыл бұрын

dnbwalkera adam I think it will never reach the price of the plastic melters.. I would really buy one of these for about 10.000€ but 50k? No ! I would make a small business to private customers and would the machine pay itself, may get a bit more, to reinvest and enlarge my production. But it wouldn’t be really profitable, cause the work you have to put in, in actual (quarter-/half-) Million € machines are sometimes longer than the print itself..

@matsv201

4 жыл бұрын

I would say.. the diffrance between 250k and 50k.. is that at 50k your local printshop can have one or two... and you can pretty much send files to them for print for like $5 per print or something

@erikm9768

3 жыл бұрын

a year later its 54000 euros now, not sure when it will be 10k euros, probably 2050 if you extrapolate

@alex.thedeadite

3 жыл бұрын

@@erikm9768 it's now 76,900 euros, it might be a different model (MPRINT+), only one I can see on their site though.

I recently ordered 2 Steel thumb wheels for my Steering wheel controls in my car. Cost me about 40€ at Shapeway. Alot of money for such a small part, but i could not have made it myself and getting it machined would have been either impossible or much, much more expensive!

Ohhhh, will be getting one of these, when I win the lottery :)

You'd be surprised how many companies can't afford current metal laser 3D printers. I would definitely invest in one of these. Especially when there relatively low build volumes of about 20-500 parts.

WOW friggin awesome! Didn't think I'd see this being tackled anytime soon.

I was randomly thinking of this very concept earlier today on my way home! Statistics is so cool when it causes events our minds flag as weird or unusual.

I know what I'm putting I my xmas list! Thang for sharing and as always keep building👍

Hey - I'm still waiting for a decent smell-o-vision implementation. So I can certainly say this is exciting.

This looks promising, keep us updated!

The Holy Grail of 3D-printing Solid metal @ micrometer precision @ hobby-pricing

@zakhoskins6404

4 жыл бұрын

Careful what you wish for. When everyone has access to technology..............EVERYONE has access to technology. I have a feeling that sadly 3d printed urethral sounds are going to be more popular than anything actually useful given how degenerate people are these days.

@ZappyOh

4 жыл бұрын

@@zakhoskins6404 ... let people print whatever they want. Some day, from the ocean of idiots, a 3D-genius will emerge.

@Xonkykong

4 жыл бұрын

@@zakhoskins6404 what's a 3d printed urethral sound?

@g00st62

4 жыл бұрын

@@Xonkykong something no sane person would ever want to expirience... Tbh 3d printed guns will propably be more of a problem. Real guns not these 1 shot deathwish things that are around now ^^

Metal 3D printing is the future. This stuff impresses me more than the plastic resins

A beautiful mind was responsible for the concepts behind this printing. Innovation is eclipsing the limits of mankind's innovation.

This is a great step! This is realy the next step im 3d printing.

Very interesting ! That give me some idea to try a DIY metal 3D printer 😂 Nice vidéo !

Very cool to think that someday you could be printing metal parts at home.

very good news indeed, thanks for the video!

Great guys! I hope they will do their business well! They could start a 3d printing farm with prices lower than current market.

Love the philosophy of these guys!

This is freaking cool!

I was lucky enough to tour the Spacex factory and see their metal printer. It looked like a room full of machinery. I also got to handle some printed metal example parts. The quality was very impressive.

'Stuff Made Here' need this device in his home shop - if he saw it he would get metal printing envy I am sure 🤓👍

Ill have to wait to make my R2D2 now, hope they do well though, the evolution of 3DP is wonderful to witness. I love my Ender 3. I will be constantly checking on the progression.

Yes very exciting!!!! A machine making its own copy!!!!!

I have my coming Christmas gift now 💝

Hmm.... still need a lot of technical tests and documented stuff first. But their price is really nice for startup companies! Love it

I've been ignoring metal 3d printing since I learned how expensive commercial machines are, but now I might have to drag my boss to FormNext2019 to check this out.

i love your videos tom!!!

Love it..... Great outlook!!!

This is the holy grail. We need a RepRap version. Get to work, Tom! Haha

One part that is really limiting for home use is the use of fine metal powder. Aluminum powder at fine grain sizes is effectively an explosive (it's the same problem as grain silos exploding).

@It-b-Blair

3 жыл бұрын

One more time for the people in the back with tinnitus 😜😂😂👍

@mensahampofo2987

Жыл бұрын

Didn’t know this but was also wondering whether some metals would be explosive with this process. Thanks for the clarification 🙏🏾🙏🏾✌🏾

@SMGJohn

Жыл бұрын

If you can afford a metal printer, you can afford proper air recycling.

Love the idea but they are conseal some major points. The powder is really nasty stuff and normally you have to wear fullbody protection. You still need to post-process these parts because of the supports you need to get the heat out of the meltzone and often you have to temper the parts becasue of internal stress. For consumers its more pratical to go with metal filaments and debindering + sintering process. Still I encourage those developments and wish them the best of luck!

Great time to be alive.

Very interesting - but from your title I was getting excited to get a machine like that at a cost of an ender lol. Maybe one day

Wow, with such inventions not hindered by patents, the future looks perfect. I am looking forward to time where we are able to manufacture products from wood (CNC), plastic (3D printing) and metal (fusion) and add simple electronics. This will open so many possibilities one can only dream of. Good luck to One Click Metal, hope their vision will work and they will have many happy customers!

@REDxFROG

4 жыл бұрын

doesn't their patent on the laser hinder further inventions? They have said themselves they have patents on it. But it doesn't matter. It is their hard work.

@rklauco

4 жыл бұрын

@@REDxFROG That's an excellent point. I've missed the comment about their patent :( Thanks for your comment. Makes me a bit less happy about the progress - although they did mention there is multiple other companies trying to achieve the same think, but probably with more expansive lasers, though :(

I worked for a powder coating company spraying Polyurethane. I'm absolutely positive ;) you could use A similar method in precise micro spraying to administer and laser metal powder. I was able to powder coat Polyurethane onto wood, resprays, and plastic parts and spray in 7 different colors without bleeding the powder. Which you'd think should be extremely hard but I also did it without the electrostatic sprayer engaged. Key here would be spray tip surrounding laser with hopper and spray activated with inert gas.

Great video ... gotta love those GH5's :)

well done keep up the good work

10:00 I thought I heard a ice cream truck; wanted to run outside :P

the twist on canister oil filter style filter used for fume/dust filtering is interesting

Oooh this looks really interestinc, hopefully metal 3d printing will become affordable for the regular person at some point.

@Taconiteable

4 жыл бұрын

it already is with filament based metal printing

🤔 I'm confused. Laser Melting Innovations offers an industrial metal printer for a similar price. LMI Alpha 140

This is gonna be dope

Awesome job! We probably need a 20 x reduction for it to become a hobbiest printer...

Well done guys! Having worked on a 250k euro SLM machine for 15 years I look forward to a 50k euro one. Of course quality of the final component will be interesting to see. For interest, I have published a book entitled Metallic Microlattice Structures published by Springer, which discusses structural cellular materials manufactured by these types of machine. Metals are much more complicated to 3d print compared to polymers. A hot research topic is the metallurgy of the final component. Laser processing parameters will affect grain structure, dislocation density and inclusions, and hence mechanical properties of the final component.

Il buy one would make my money back easy making aftermarket car parts!

9:30 "We want to stay below 50000 Euros" (about 55,000 USD) Still money but now we're at a price that small to medium businesses can afford. If this continues we'll have metal printers at hackerspaces in 10 years.

@zakhoskins6404

4 жыл бұрын

Why do so many people act like exponential price drops are just inevitable for everything? Last time I checked saffron was still expensive as fuck, and it doesn't exactly take highly intelligent people to cultivate it.

@MaaveMaave

4 жыл бұрын

@@zakhoskins6404 The patents that prevented competition just ran out AND there is serious demand for this technology. Do you really not expect prices to decrease?

well done guys

When it's priced for the consumer I'll consider it. This should open the way for it to happen though. 👍

Great stream, thanks

Wow impressive! And they do all this cool stuff just around the corner, I mean gleich um die Ecke. Daimler and Porsche will be calling you. lol ^_^

I would so love to build my own, but if someone could make this affordable, I'd buy one.

Hope it gets down to 5K soon

Finally!!!!

It's great that the cost is reducing. Looking at the site, the machines are about E125k - so not quite the 50k they hoped. However, hopefully this is just the start of a metal printing revolution.

For those whom are curious the other startup is Xact Metal, a startup out of Penn State in the USA. Graduate student in the Additive Manufacturing Design masters program at penn state i am curious about the part density they have been able to achieve, and how it compares to the EOS 290 or the ProX 320.

@vidznstuff1

4 жыл бұрын

That's another startup, not "the other startup" that they were talking about.

Metal is cool and all, but I honestly see a far larger consumer market in silica/ glass sintering printers. We all are waiting for a truly functional filament recycling system for FDM _still, right now_ -imagine if you could just purchase a crusher/ grinder and fill it with play sand from a home improvement store? -or buy up a bunch of land in the Sahara and with an army of robots and construct a glass kingdom.

@olaruud9366

4 жыл бұрын

If we could sinter stuff directly from sand that would be amazing. Just imagine having infinite dirt cheap materials and solar panels running everything.

@kurtlindner

4 жыл бұрын

@@olaruud9366 I'm pretty sure it is the future (eventually), it seems obvious to me -a sintering station you can just send to a location with build plans, and it starts gathering and preparing construction material to be melted using solar as a direct power source for a laser or as a power source for a battery. There's a video on KZread already of a guy who made a solar sintering project. It had very good results considering how far as it got -only small items

This is excellent information, concisely and clearly presented. I learned a lot! Thank you.

From the website the price still seems high, but it is definitely a great improvement to go from the price of house to the price of a car for a machine like that.

Would really love to have a smaller, more affordable metal printer at home. Still way out of my budget, even for less than € 10K,, but nice to see that they are working on something like this.

I hope they will give or let you use such a printer once it comes out!

Awesome video. 👍👍👍👍 very interesting.

Love this more industry focus videos

Thank you Thomas for all of your hard work. Presenting these types of technology and creativity to the community is inspiring and priceless to open minds. As usual, your videos continue to educate the public, infused with intuition, insight, and professional display.

Interesting but the price target has to be much lower than 50k. And how about printing in vacuum? maybe electrostatics/magnetics to keep the optics clear. Maybe even an extra laser. Maybe field guided deposition could work and be fantastic.

They should look into using galvano mirrors to aim the laser instead of using a gantry and fiber. It would save on costs and increase the speed and eliminate ringing.

Currently doing my PhD in SLM and would love to get hold of these guys, see where I could help.

@MadeWithLayers

4 жыл бұрын

Oneclickmetal.com 😉

I need this for reasons ^^

There are new, reliable and affordable metal 3D printing technologies like ADAM (Metal X from Markforged) already. No expensive lasers needed, no messing with loose (and very hazardous) metal powder. And laser sintering? I've just returned from 3D printing center with SLM machine. Just experience with all the processes around (processing fumes, material handling and re-using, hard post-processing), if you want to get dense, relatively precise part... And it's much more than the printer itself, it's whole the workflow where you don't want to make any (very expensive) mistake.

@wood42shed

4 жыл бұрын

Have you watched the video? Those are very much the areas they are focusing on simplifying/improving. A cheaper type of laser. Filtered inert gas to contain the fumes, a well-contained handling arrangement for new and reused powder, _no_ post-processing, so no debinding, no heat treating. Also the metal-X is twice the target price, PLUS the furnace, PLUS the de-binder machine. In any case, innovation flourishes where there are a range of different competitors filling similar niches, this is a good thing.

@tomulinek

4 жыл бұрын

@@wood42shed Although I remain skeptical about the quality of prints (and for many historical 3D printing lessons I have a reason), you're right: Any development of more affordable technology can be a step forward.

@wood42shed

4 жыл бұрын

@@tomulinek Even if the full package doesn't pay off, odds are some part of it will be more widely useful.

Perhaps you can use dryer sheets, anti static cling fabric sheets to help keep dust from sticking to everything, just wipe it down.

Soo cool and i am looking forward to someone doing a more open source one as the price is coming down but they still keep quite proprietary feed systems which bums me out....imagine buying a abs/pla printer and not being able to easily source a roll or having to re-roll it onto something else. Love the work and the technology, the future is in the past its so sad

Finally! Waited days for this video!

Cost is always the problem. I'd love to have one that literally recycled scrap metal and like normal forging it just built up a bead .with additives of course that give you the abilty to harden or soften the metals.

At this rate within the next 5-10 years metal printing 3D printers may be entering the consumer market

@tamas3258

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, for 1-2k will be affordable for everyone

@user-qx7tm5df8j

4 жыл бұрын

@@tamas3258 more id assume

@niklasf25

4 жыл бұрын

Powder Bed metal printers should never be a consumer good. The health hazard with these powders are just a nightmare.

@vidznstuff1

4 жыл бұрын

Where the consumers are artists, scientists and engineers, yes. Having one in your mom's basement...not gunna happen.

@gunsmoke132

3 жыл бұрын

@@niklasf25 maybe, but so is any metal working tool any woodworking tool working with acids to etch knives and other jewelry there's a lot of dangerous things out there just because some people can't handle it doesn't mean it should be banned for everyone.

Awesome, geil. Please make it happen soon.

Worth pointing out that there are multiple companies building these lower cost laser sintering machines with slightly different engineering

It uses Argon gas. As that is the few that will not react with metals in the vapor state.

This asterisk is doing some seriously heavy lifting

So, can we cross fasteners, smooth rods and leadscrews off the "vitamin" list?

Yeah ima sell my house and buy this printer and just print a new house brick by brick, easy.

@kodez79

3 жыл бұрын

Stainless house? Cool!

This is exciting I know my company would be interested in a sub 50k machine

Hmmm, sounds almost as if patents in this age would hinder innovation 🤔

@streaky81

4 жыл бұрын

Most of the key patents on SLS have expired now. They have hindered it for years though, absolutely.

@zakhoskins6404

4 жыл бұрын

Patents typically only last 25 years. Copyrights on the other hand last several decades AFTER the death of the holder. The better question is, why is a silly song deemed more valuable to society than life saving technology?

@SmallSpoonBrigade

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, the big problem with patents these days is how fast technology is improving and the possibility that one or two key patents will prevent developments across the industry. Software patents though are the absolute worse, they don't require disclosure of how they work which is unusual. With chemical patents, you can patent the molecule or the process, but not both. Another company can develop the same molecule by a different route or can use the process as a stepping stone to create a different molecule. With software they get to block both.

@BrainSlugs83

4 жыл бұрын

All of the IP laws are long overdue for a rehaul.

@David-uk3nv

4 жыл бұрын

True to a point. You see, patents are a useful tool to give inventors a chance to earn back all the money they poured into R&D. That's why patent theft can seriously damage or ruin companies who are still sitting on a huge R&D deficit even if they make the qualitative superior product.

Under 100 euro per kg is dirt cheap material. SLS nylon powder is at least $150/kg. Obv you also have to buy inert gas as well, but that's super-exciting that material will be so cost effective. One would assume this material is pretty recyclable? Pricing on the printer sounds great too. Can't wait to be able to print entire giant space binoculars in-house :)