📌 Well here's a new twist, Filmora Just Got One of my Videos REMOVED from KZread ▶kzread.info/dash/bejne/gYF9q9mKirCsfKg.html

@mckayle456

Жыл бұрын

What software would you recommend now similar to filmora 😗?

@Nightdare

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty sure any decent lawyer can make mincemeat out of their semantics

@lukastemberger

Жыл бұрын

I find "lifetime" a more important word than "update/upgrade". They're basically calling you dead. Well, at least you'll be getting Filmora 9 updates for another 30-40 years...

@electronicsandewastescrapp7384

Жыл бұрын

Welp Streisand effect going to bite them in the butt. If they had any sense they'd have released it not as filmora 12 but "the all new filmora supreme deluxe whatever edition" and sunset the original edition with a final update.

@TheRealMrRoboto

Жыл бұрын

This is why I believe is sweeping copyright reform.

Let me give you an example of a similar case of a company that at the end earned my respect. In 2006 I went to a 24 Hour Fitness and at that time they had a "Lifetime" promo where if I paid $500 in a single payment I can get lifetime access to most 24 Hours Fitness gyms around the country. Well it is now 2022 and even after they suffered several bad years with COVID and even filled a bankruptcy, they are still honoring my lifetime membership! This is amazing to me and I keep recommending them to friends and family because of this. Filmora definitely lost my respect to them and any possible chance of referring them to anyone.

@nokiaairtel5311

Жыл бұрын

$500 for lifetime ! That's insane.. In my country ( PPP ratio of 3.5 ) any reputable gym(say, Golds') will charge $300 annually .. Even after adjusting for inflation your amount is roughly $1000 and that will be gone in 3 years in my country

@cartorius

Жыл бұрын

so did playboy... this is stupid

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

That's an awesome story! It proves that some companies actually stick to their word and know what a loyal customer base is worth.

@meowme7644

Жыл бұрын

Wow 😳 👍

@FranchiseCityOnline

Жыл бұрын

The reason? Its a franchise and head office force the individual operators to honor it. Its like the $5 subs at Subway - owners hated it. Also - the two class action lawsuits launched on bogus lifetime memberships probably smartened them up. Just sayin' they aren't angels 🙂 Marchewka et al v. 24 Hour Fitness USA, Inc., Case No. 16-cv-2359, N. D. CA. O’Shea et al v. 24 Hour Fitness USA, Inc., Case No. 16-cv-1668, N. D. CA.

I’m a television producer and professional editor, and I primarily use Adobe and Avid. I’ve never heard of Filmora before, but this is very good information to have. I get asked 1000 times a year to recommend editing software to beginners, and now I know to tell people to avoid Filmora. This whole situation is very sketchy, and feels like a massive let down for their customers… and this is coming from an Adobe user!

@local9

Жыл бұрын

Your comment is on the nail, I use Adobe and Davinci Resolve myself and get asked what to recommend and I agree, Filmora will be one that I recommend they avoid.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

Adobe has had their moments too but they managed to work through them with their loyal user base. I'm not convinced Filmora will do the same.

@Pub2k4

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Batal Yeah it’s pretty clear that Filmora started out wanting to differentiate themselves from Adobe in allowing one license to cover multiple generations of the software, and are now punishing their early adopters for expecting them to stay that way forever. My next question for Filmora, at this point, would be to ask how much longer Filmora 9 will be available. At some point, they’re going to pull it from their servers and tell everyone “We were referring the lifetime of the product, and the product’s lifetime has ended.”

@meowme7644

Жыл бұрын

@@Pub2k4 yes...error 404 - Page unavailable? 🤭😁😂 What a 🐂💩 they do.

@1995texasaggie

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Batal Gotta send an extremely casual user of Filmora 9 thank you to Daniel Batal for his contribution as an influencer that has lead to a large amount of Filmora's success. Filmora's tutorials are not as interesting, easy to follow, and have a high school band camp-like approach. Filmora 9 may not be available the next time I have a project.

If they don't honour their LTD, we need to head over to review sites and teach them a lesson to not mess with customers ever again

@Chrizton

Жыл бұрын

Just do it, they already got paid and don’t care

@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701

Жыл бұрын

Review sites? class action lawsuit.

@oranberry

Жыл бұрын

@@undergrounddojokeyboardcag701 Right? Tf is reviewing gonna do on a 3rd party website, Filmora could literally care less. The only response is to sue.

@2beJT

Жыл бұрын

@@Bobspineable What happens is I look into buying software.. then I find this sort of info.. and then I buy something else.

@GenerationLex

Жыл бұрын

As an absolute bare minimum, they need every review site have their company completely dumpstered into the ground. That's the bare minimum.

For a Class Action lawsuit, your first step is to hire a lawyer, and sue the company. Once the suit is filed, you can ask for it to be converted to Class Action status. Once Class Action status has been established, either: -Everyone with a Lifetime License (as learned through a motion of discovery for Filmora's records) will get automatically added to the suit, with notices sent out asking if they'd like to be removed. or -Notices will be sent out to everyone with a Lifetime License (again, from Discovery) asking if they'd like to join the Class Action. At this point... Just let your Lawyers do their thing.

@DavidHHH99

Жыл бұрын

The fundamental problem is that when you upgraded from previous versions of Filmora to newer "upgrades", you probably accepted the new EULA with the new terms. If so, then there is no legal basis for any lawsuit.

@edale2

Жыл бұрын

​@@DavidHHH99 Actually.... Those changes wouldn't hold up in court. Ignoring the problem of the EULA updates not applying to the people who bought their license before those changes. A contract is a, by it's nature, 2-sided thing, both sides HAVE to gain something for the contract to be valid. Likewise, changes to an existing contract need to benefit _both_ parties in some way to be legally valid. The gain on one side doesn't have to be proportional; gaining as little as 1 penny is enough to make a contract legally binding. Now here's a question for you: In the change to the contract that made it so users who had paid to receive any and all updates to the program for free suddenly had to pay... What did the end users gain that they were not already entitled to under their original contract? Go ahead, take your time, I'll wait for you. .. Yep, exactly; not a thing. Hence, not legally binding.

@DavidHHH99

Жыл бұрын

@@edale2 Except that by agreeing to the NEW EULA on the NEW version of the software, you have chosen to enter into a NEW contract with the company.

@edale2

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidHHH99 Which, like I just explained, isn't valid, since the end user gains nothin, leaving the original contract as the only valid one.

@DavidHHH99

Жыл бұрын

@@edale2 By your argument, you could never enter into another contract with the same person or company again. So, if you bought Microsoft Windows, the EULA for Microsoft Office would be null and void. That's not how the law works. The new version of the software has a NEW EULA. You agree to it as a SECOND contract. The first contract technically has nothing to do with the second one. Admittedly, you HAVE to agree to the second one, in order to use this new version. But that's true of ANY software that you purchase or install.

“I want to remind you that this video was edited with the completely free version of Da Vinci Resolve”, absolutely beautiful sign off 😂

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

(not sponsored) 😜

@remoteworkinternational

Жыл бұрын

I agree with you @Kieran Prendergast

I love when you professionally tell off Filmora that the video was edited by the free version of Davinci Resolve. Now that's how you remove yourself out of a bad situation.

@bernieapodaca2912

Жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 dang that’s funny

@Maximilian-Willert

Жыл бұрын

Davinci is awesome!

@petesvidz

Жыл бұрын

@@Maximilian-Willert I agree and if you opt for the studio version or free version the upgrades are free.

@remoteworkinternational

Жыл бұрын

@@bernieapodaca2912 thanks Bernie.

@Maximilian-Willert

Жыл бұрын

@@petesvidz can confirm! I also love the fact that I was able to purchase the studio license on a USB stick, i can now easily swap between stationary PC and Laptop editing without a hassle!

Regardless of how this situation ends, the drama is how I found your channel. I'm interested in learning a video editor and had been leaning towards Resolve. I'll happily watch any Resolve videos you publish going forward.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

More to come. Unless Filmora succeeds in taking down my channel, which it seems they are trying to do at the moment.

@SkaiXmask

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Batal Make a video on what filmora is trying to do. You got the community with you right now. But if you wait to long this whole situation might blow over and then filmora might get away with taking down your channel.

@ShayniBC

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Batal You NEED to make a video on this. They are trying to not only silence you but to prevent others from seeing any videos showing their deception thereby affecting their bottom line and future subscribers. Show them what The Streisand Effect is and let them reap its rewards.

@miked7728

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Batal and I thought they couldn't get any lower

@kanoaikawach

Жыл бұрын

I learned Premiere Pro in high school. I'm wondering if he could do some Adobe videos? Or has he already? I randomly got this filmora stuff recommended to me.

Great job, Daniel! Thank you for sharing your point of view. With my lifetime Filmora license I ALWAYS installed new releases for free, and nobody cared about the definitions ("update"/"upgrade"). Changing agreements retroactively is a HUGE mistake: it takes years to gain trust and a moment is enough to lose it. Filmora's insistence on making its customers look stupid only makes matters worse too. Personally I hate subscriptions. When Adobe forced their customers toward subscriptions, I switched to other brands. For photo editing I've been using Capture One for a long time, and I've always bought the upgrade instead of the subscription. They recently announced that the current version (23) will be the last one that can be purchased "traditionally", then they will move on to subscriptions. I'm not happy with that choice, but at least they said it clearly and almost a year in advance. Although I felt cheated, I still paid for the 12. But it will be my LAST purchase.

Being a reader of "fine print", the perpetual license was the reason I originally purchased Filmora several years ago. I only edit videos a couple times per month for personal use and didn't even know about the change until I stumbled across your video. To say I'm pissed is an understatement. The revisionist history is outrageous.

@Balnor

Жыл бұрын

This is the same reason i got Filmora originally as well. I use it every now and then, so didnt want to pay for Adobe, but if Filmora is changing like this, i might just bite the bullet on getting a Studio Licence for Davinci Resolve.

@Mulangi

Жыл бұрын

This is basically me right now.

@ActionGamerAaron

Жыл бұрын

Gonna sue 'em?

@585858

Жыл бұрын

how much would someone pay for a premiere pro pack that would make the switch from filmora to adobe almost seamless

@roygalaasen

Жыл бұрын

Is the software version 11 not good enough for you now that 12 is released? Are you forced to move on? If you are no longer allowed to use version 11, I would agree this is not ok. If you can still use version 11, you didn’t lose anything to begin with.

I've already moved onto new software. I refuse to support any company that does shady practices like this.

@PopcornandVinyl

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. At this point it’s not even about the money, it’s how they are handling the situation and treating the customers who helped build their platform.

@thepenman357

Жыл бұрын

Just curious, which software are you now using? After using Filmora, how was the learning curve to the new software? I too am considering a move, but only if they stop servicing v.11, or try to make me pay an extra fee. Keeping my eyes open.

@dexahtheman

Жыл бұрын

P.S: If you're looking for something paid, they have a one time purchase for their Studio edition ($295). But honestly, i don't think you're going to need to buy that unless you're in Hollywood or something, loll

@PopcornandVinyl

Жыл бұрын

@@thepenman357 I’ve moved on to DaVinci Resolve which is free and has a paid Studio version but I would say the free version has all the same features and more of Filmora.

@PopcornandVinyl

Жыл бұрын

@@thepenman357 I’ve moved on to DaVinci Resolve which is free and has a paid Studio version but I would say the free version has all the same features and more of Filmora.

I'm so glad that KZread put this and your part 1 video into my suggested videos. My son recently asked if we could buy Filmora for him. At first, I was fine with the idea, but the more that I read the version 12 license conditions the more sketched out I got about doing business with them. Your two videos have reenforced the sketched-out feeling that I now have to the point that I do not want to do business with them. Additionally, the fact that they are based in a CCP controlled country means that there is little in the way of legal recourse for users, since the CCP generally doesn't always enforce corporate legal obligations when they involve foreign customer if the CCP doesn't want to.

@larzblast

Жыл бұрын

It's not even that. It's typical practice for the Chinese businesses, small or large, to make a fast buck and if they were to ever get shutdown, they'd just reappear under a new name. It's always about the short term, never the long.

@casedistorted

Жыл бұрын

Ah they’re based in China? That means their work culture is “make money no matter the cost”, so honor means nothing and if they lose customers to make more money through subs, they’ll happily do it.

@rainecolubio

Жыл бұрын

If you have a mac, i would recommend final cut pro. It’s one time payment for all macs with the same user. Students (and teachers) could get the a discounted educational bundle.

This needs a class action lawsuit. I'm not invested in Filmora in any way, but this kind of behaviour angers me enough that I am willing to contribute if you put up some kind of fund-campaign to make a lawsuit...

@filipstamate1564

Жыл бұрын

Eh, I'm sure they've got their asses covered. You'd think "lifetime" is pretty clear, but it can be made into pretty much anything. Lifetime of the current version for example. Yeah, free updates for the lifetime of 12.x There are so many ways of manipulating language in these cases.

@iamnotafraid

Жыл бұрын

@@filipstamate1564 How they can spin it is less important in court than how it would be interpreted by the average person. They're clearly backtracking all over the place and stumbling over their own bullshit, which makes it that much easier to build a case against them.

@dinosnake2241

Жыл бұрын

It really doesn't matter what Filmora would like the EULA to read, at this point in time. To see, when you paid for your "Lifetime" subscription the law is quite specific: the terms of the agreement apply when you completed the contract THEN and cannot be changed without agreement by BOTH parties involved. In other words, when you transferred your funds to Fimora for their product the terms and conditions of the contract are set in stone,, based upon the terms presented THEN. NOT what they can change them to, now UNLESS the contact states they can make those changes unilaterally. The contract didn't seem to state that clause. Breach of Contract. Yes, you have a valid class action case.

@omdtdz

Жыл бұрын

@@filipstamate1564 But they will have to waste there money on lawyers so much the better. Which would probably be a net loss for them.

@andrzej2501

Жыл бұрын

What lawsuit? They are a Chinese (i.e. scammer) company. They have no honor or rule of law - they copy other people intellectual property all the time and their "courts" always side with those CCP cash-cows. I bet they use stolen code.

I'm a musician and use FLStudio. I bought it about 20 years ago with their promise: lifetime free upgrades/updates. Over the years (I bought version v3 and now there's v21) the software evolved to one of the best and most used pieces of software for creating music. I NEVER had to pay after I bought the original version and so now I'm using v21 completely legally. They kept their promise and the company (Image Line) is still in a very healthy financial situation. So, I guess if you have a good business model, it is possible to keep that promise.

@TheManInCommand

Жыл бұрын

Facts

@mystixa

Жыл бұрын

Yup thats how a real company works. They use the financial resources of selling their product at the time and live within those means. They don't just salivate at every past customers pocketbook and try to cannibalize their customer base. WHEN there are other competiting options on the market to turn to like there is in this case. Of course many companies use shady practices like this gainst their customers when there is no other option, but its foolish of them to believe they are in that category.

@FoHsi

Жыл бұрын

Same with AVS Video Editor.

Daniel’s heart for creators is one of the most caring and generous of any creator coach I know. Hope this can be turned around to be a positive for everyone involved however he wouldn’t cover this if it’s wasn’t something that was absolutely necessary in the service of those who look to his advice!

Dear Daniel, About 12 hours ago, Wondershare officially revoked the "upgrade" rules for Filmora 12 on KZread in the German community and more or less apologized for the "upgrade" procedure. It even offers solutions for affected lifetime users >= Filmora 9. Great thing I think. Wondershare seems to have gotten the message now of what it means to possibly lose its angry lifetime users for good because of this. Greetings and thanks so much for your great videos on Filmora! 😉

@dusteyezz784

Жыл бұрын

I think it's more that they realized it's more profitable to do, than losing a class action lawsuit. Probably talked to a lawyer lol.

@kalreynolds5829

Жыл бұрын

@@dusteyezz784 Yeah, it's more likely that they're in trouble with EU regulators who can be extremely punitive, over misleading business practices. They don't have to continue offering the product, but attempting to change the terms and wriggle out of their contract, will likely result in heavy punitive damages and sanctions.

Filmora is just upset that their biggest ambassador they've ever had, who brought them countless users for their software, including me, had stood his ground for what is right and now their dancing around the truth more than a toddler who got caught with their hand in the cookie jar. SMH Thanks for standing up Daniel! Much love & respect brother!

@wtesoro

Жыл бұрын

Daniel for president

I got a 10 in commercial law at university. This is A grade, equivalent to the American education system. So, you had a contract with Filmora, from when you bought the license. This is your law. Now, when Filmora comes to Filmora 9, it allows you to download and install the new version according to your contract but includes new Terms of Services that change the initial contract. You can agree and install or you will not install Filmora 9. This is against your contract, so is void. Even if you clicked Yes, these new provisions are a so-called Leonine Clause. It was presented to you as an Ultimatum: take it, or you cannot use the software. Filmora would lose in any court of law in a civilized country. Probably not in China, but this is another story. Actually, I guess is the same story.

@fordcrews3362

Жыл бұрын

Sadly America hasn't been a nation where laws are followed/enforced for anyone but the ruling class in a VERY, VERY, VERY long time. The one with the $ wins every time, even if it doesn't appear that way.

@ArthurDentZaphodBeeb

Жыл бұрын

Filmora is on a dead-cinch loser if they ever are stupid enough to try and defend this in court. It's not a gray zone. It's black and white, clear-cut, plain-as-day. The original T&Cs govern. Heck, plaintiffs might actually get a Summary Judgment. Filmora surely knows this but is trying to bluff their way hoping this will blow over (hint: it won't). If I were them, I'd expect an 8-figure judgment plus a few million in defense attorney fees - they have to make a business decision to decide if the legal costs are a worthwhile trade to get away from lifetime licenses and the bad press/ill will.

@JeffreyGroves

Жыл бұрын

@@fordcrews3362 Filmora is a China based company...

@pribar

Жыл бұрын

@Jeff Groves Doesn't matter, if they do business in another country they are subject to that countries laws, Microsoft is based in the US but got hit with a record fine for not following the EU laws. And yes they can have a judgment forced on them even if they are based in China. Say a EU court rules against filmora and filmora says "don't care we are in China" Well the people buying their stuff are not so say you live in France and buy their super plan for 89.99 euros, the moment that 89.99 is transferred the courts order has the banking system move the funds into a escrow account Filmora can't touch. So filmora can either obey the court ruling or only sell its product in countries without reciprocity treaties (basically China, Iran, Russia, and North Korea)

@InteractiveDNA

Жыл бұрын

Read the fine print! In digital world we have updates and upgrades. The company can call any software an updated version but not an upgrade. If the term of use has updates and upgrade for a lifetime Filmora would be in trouble. Also, if the fine print says that they can modify any thing on the term of use and you agree to install it, you will loose in court. Read the fine print. This sucks because 99.999999% never read the fine print. I could create a software and say... Free For Life no matter what version and upgrades, but if the fine print says... Free For Live of that version and beyond such date no longer is free... "ok?" or "cancel" As soon you click "ok" you agree to whatever they say. And that is reality.

I will never deal with this company as they are breaking contract law !

This is ridiculous. Thanks for keeping me away from this company.

What really irks me is the many ways they relentlessly try to twist and turn facts to make it look like they did nothing wrong, when everything points out to how sneaky they are, actively scamming their old customers. That's just mind blowing. Thank you for exposing them!

@fallouthirteen

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, like just admit you're Darth Vader. You altered the deal, we need to pray you don't alter it further.

@benbassist

Жыл бұрын

@@karlwithak1835 this is 100% true. If the terms at signing say forever, they can’t take that away. I’m sure some lawyers are licking their chops on this one.

@RhizometricReality

Жыл бұрын

It only makes us know that we cannot trust them as a company further with our money or anything.

@JJFX-

Жыл бұрын

@@fallouthirteen At least we have hippie Luke Skywalker fighting the good fight alongside an army of video slicing rebels.

I'm not a filmora user, but you have truly done an outstanding job in both of these videos. You handle this news in a proper way, pointing out the discrepancies. You still, somehow are supportive of an old sponsor, not bad-mouthing the software at all, but pointing out that the company is simply trying to change the rules half-way through the game. So well done, and appreciated by me as a content creator.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

Hey thanks! I appreciate the kind words

@MobileDecay

Жыл бұрын

I don't use them but this story makes my blood boil.

@gSuriV

Жыл бұрын

I'm not a Fillmora user and I won't ever be

That way back version that says if you are a lifetime user you can upgrade for free would be the nail in the coffin in lawsuit against filmora

I dumped Filmora YEARS ago bc there was so much ambiguity in everything. It was impossible to understand.

@Daniel_Batal

11 күн бұрын

Yeah, I really loved their simplicity but it got weird

Malwarebytes used to offer customers a lifetime license when you purchased their product. They transitioned to a subscription model years ago, but to this day they still honor all lifetime licenses sold and give those customers access to all new versions. I still highly recommend their product today.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

Still a fan of Malwarebytes

Thanks for standing tall on this one, Daniel. This is destined to be a PR nightmare for wondershare, and rightly so. I hope the internet historian and 8chan get involved. That'll teach 'em!

@BoltRM

Жыл бұрын

Over the course of the next year or 2, likely there will be a steady decline in customers as word gets around. But by then, executives will have made their money grab & move on to the next executive position at other companies.

@docsavage1503

Жыл бұрын

Now I need to rethink my support of Wondershare and its Video Converter Ultimate software. Trying to think back on whether the same thing happened to me with that license from Wondershare.

They have broken a paid contract, I hope someone takes them to court, it's unacceptable and dishonest.

It ULTIMATELY comes down to we can't trust them anymore. If there is no more trust, then, why continue that relationship?

I'm no lawyer, but I do know a lot about EULA as I as a web developer have written quite a few over the years for clients. While a company can change (and has the right to do so) its EULA &/or TOS, it MUST notify the public/customers prior to doing so. You simply cannot silently change a EULA without notification and require that it be followed. And yes, after seeing all the evidence, there are definitely grounds for a class-A lawsuit.

@fallouthirteen

Жыл бұрын

How much can they change it though? Like it really feels if they want to completely go back on what they sold (like you getting all updates to the product line forever) they need to offer a full refund to people who don't want to agree to them saying "not anymore now though." Like that feels the same as say you buying a year subscription to something but halfway through they go "ok it's now a 6 month subscription, you can either not agree to that change and stop using the account or you can agree and pay us for another 6 months to continue using it." Like if there's no option to go "no, I'll just stick with what I originally agreed to for the time term we agreed" then changing a deal doesn't seem like it should be valid.

@SmallSpoonBrigade

Жыл бұрын

@@fallouthirteen I'm pretty sure this isn't a valid agreement. It's a bit like if you pay somebody to wash your car and they don't and they tell you that you can either get the car wash that you were promised and a modifier that says they don't have to do it. Or you can not have the car washed and they keep the money, but you still have the hypothetical right to a car wash. That's not how contracts work. You can do a lot with a new license, but I wouldn't expect this kind of a change to stand up in court unless the customers are being given something in exchange for giving up contractual rights.

@camelCased

Жыл бұрын

It feels like buying a year's subscription of monthly comic books, and then you receive the third book with a note: "Sorry, the ink just got too expensive. If you are reading this, you are agreeing that you will not receive the remaining 9 comic books unless you pay for them". I imagine you would be angry and ask for a refund for the remaining books, right? Ok, this time it's not a year but a lifetime, and you cannot ask for a refund for an unknown number of future editions of the software, and also you cannot ask for a refund for the software you already have been using for years. Still, there should be some kind of compensation / penalty for their breaking (modifying) of their own initial EULA. Are they legally allowed to change the EULA in a way that removes the rights you had paid for? What would lawyers say? Have there been any good precedents?

@robertviens6104

Жыл бұрын

With all due respect, The fact that they can change the EULA does not negate the content and/or Intent of the agreement at the time of purchase. Furthermore, What impact does not telling the license holder have "prior to doing so" as the licensee has No choice in the matter on top of never having any Plans to dish out more Money one way or another? Just another shady deal. Resolve is a Much better product anyways.

@ska042

Жыл бұрын

So at some point they would have to switch from the EULA that correctly honors the lifetime license to the one that does not, but to do that, the lifetime customers would have to agree to that new EULA. If the new EULA now denies the customer a right they are contractually entitled to and Wondershare says the customer is not getting the new version of the software unless they agree to the new version of the EULA, that just puts Wondershare in breach of contract. The customers have a contract that says they're getting the new version, and they can't just be forced to agree to a different contract that says they're not getting it. Nowhere in the old EULA does it say that the customer is obligated to agree to any new modified EULA, and if it did that would probably be an illegal clause anyway.

Thank you Daniel for keeping us updated. I think filmora should give out refunds to anyone upset about buying the lifetime license because this is getting ridiculous.

@timeTegus

Жыл бұрын

Not refunds. They shuld just let u update for ur livetime

@amberluna3055

Жыл бұрын

Getting refunds would be impossible because the purchase was made a long time ago, but they should honor the lifetime license 100% and let them upgrade to filmora 12.

@DavidStrchld

Жыл бұрын

@@amberluna3055 Why would it be impossible? This is a enough of a common tactic used to buy back lifetime deals when they don't play to honer it anymore. So while they should... it doesn't always work that way.

@user-ky8je2qj3z

Жыл бұрын

No guys, Runoos Shorts has a point--all lifetime license holders should be refunded the entire cost of all versions released and sold on other plans and subscriptions since their licence, and all versions that come out after, in perpetuity. For each ~$60 lifetime licence they should refund a few thousand dollars, or just honor the original agreement. That sounds pretty fair.

@QuantumBeard

Жыл бұрын

@@user-ky8je2qj3z I see this as an absolute win!

I never had faith in any of the Wondershare lifetime licenses and avoided the products for that reason. It sucks to see I was right in thinking.

While I understand the difference between "update" and "upgrade" could be significant, in the context of how they released their software, and how it interfaced with your license, it seems pretty clear. Since you continued to get several additions of the software (8>9>10>11) via your lifetime license, that would imply that receiving any new addition of the software (ie: v12) is considered an "update." They set a precedent where your lifetime license had already given you access to three new versions of the software

@a64738

Жыл бұрын

Yes, by providing both uppgrades and uppdates earlier in their lifetime subsription they created a precedence... Filmora is almost certain to loose in a class action lawasuit against them over this.

@kalreynolds5829

Жыл бұрын

That's the problem. If they'd said "It's lifetime access to this version and it's updates (And updates should be included whatever the license, so why they think they'd get away with saying THAT was what they're selling-ridiculous, they'd lose in a heartbeat)" and then they charged for the next edition? They'd likely be able to argue for it. But since they've already given out multiple other versions of the software to those customers, they've set the expectation. And also, it was just definitely included in the beginning based on their wording.

I'm not a Filmora user but my worry is if this company gets away with this change in licensing, other companies will see it is possible and some will follow their lead. So this may have an affect on anyone of us.

@chauvinemmons

Жыл бұрын

You're too late it's the latest trend in redo's

@muddobber6863

Жыл бұрын

Other companies have done this for years. Sony had to settle with the US Air Force after removing Linux from the PS3 through an "update". There are scores of other examples.

@rifwann

Жыл бұрын

Well, if i were to argue the first "product as a service" model is practiced by insulin company (us only). They keep updating insulin with useless stuff to keep its patent (licenses) for hundred of years.

@JeffreyGroves

Жыл бұрын

@@rifwann Kind of like what Japanese firms did with VCR technology in the 1970s and 1980s. They would improve pieces of the original VCR players created in the US and patent those improvements. One by one, each of the pieces of the VCR were improved and the improvement patented. Finally, the original US patent no longer applied.

@oz_jones

Жыл бұрын

_You will own nothing and be happy._

I'm with you, brother, canceling my lifetime today. I have really loved Filmora for years, even when it crashed 5 times during each project. I don't invest in companies that think they can take advantage of me.

@mjetektman9313

Жыл бұрын

If you want alternatives, some I use and like: DaVinci Resolve: Proprietary, but has an amazing free version, and supports Linux, Windows and macOS, for Linux, it supports CentOS only but you can use makeresolvedeb to turn the installer into a Debian installer (to install on Ubuntu/Debian based distros) KDENLive: Open Source, great for editing, support basically the same OSes as Resolve + major Linux distros like Arch Linux

@mjetektman9313

Жыл бұрын

@@Bobspineable for FOSS software, it comes from donations and also any person can contribute to the code, not only via bug report, but also by fixing bugs directly on the source code, remember that if a software is FOSS, you can access the source code, and make changes, as from non FOSS like Resolve, it comes from license selling.

"This is just one big misunderstanding. Please allow us to make things more clear. Give us your money."

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

Ha! Yup.

Thank you so much for doing this and taking the action you have taken and posting these videos. When the notice first came it surprised and I decided not to upgrade at all and just stick to version 11 and didn't think much of it, until your video showed up today in my feed. Watched them all about this issue and just upgraded to Filmora 12 without a problem. You action is really appreciated!

The sting in the tail here is that Filmora allows you to edit your masterpiece after hours of toil only to hit you with a ‘newly worded’ cost factor at the point where you wish to export. Now if that isn’t underhand then what is? We are not mindless idiots who don’t read before we buy. We just do not expect such a blatant mis-selling in this consumer savvy era. Thanks for the underline Daniel some people are just rude for the sake of it. 😉

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

and even worse... if you update to Filmora 12 and use it to edit only to find you need to pay for export, then decide to go back to Filmora 11, it won't support that project and you lose all of your work.

@LordTimothyMcKay

Жыл бұрын

@Daniel_Batal yup. Happened to me. I paid their $30 tax, but, that's the last money they will get from me. It's vexatious because I bought some $200 sub for some content in November. Who knows, maybe that will cost me more next month. In my view, it's OK for a software company to charge for new versions. It's an exchange of value, I am fine with that. I didn't find v12 better, some stuff was moved and involves more clicks now. But all that is irrelevant. If you make a deal and change it later, that's just rude and in my view a breach of faith.

@PopcornandVinyl

Жыл бұрын

This is upsetting news. I am nearly finished editing a large project that I updated to version 12 with in the middle and now I know I’m going to have to give them more money to not lose hours of work.

@LordTimothyMcKay

Жыл бұрын

@@PopcornandVinyl 😥 i feel your pain!

@giusepperana6354

Жыл бұрын

I dont understand people arguing "you should have read the fine print". Nobody does. Nobody has the time to read 200 pages of impossible-to-decipher legal language. The promise was very clear - updates forever. I don't care what you put in your EULA, I expect you to honor your promise.

As a longtime Filmora user I feel cheated. I’ve been using Filmora 9 all the way up to 11, thanks to you Daniel. When I switched to Mac I purchased the Mac licenses as well. It’s really sad they have chosen this route. I think I’m time they’ll see the real repercussions because they can’t fully delete what they are trying to, the history cannot be erased. Thank you, Daniel.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

So frustrating.

I see a LOT of companies, ACROSS the board practicing semi scummy/questionable practices -I- am trying to see it as expenses needing to be cut but I'm sad to see things like this

Sounds like the company is creating a big misunderstanding from their true intentions of raking in more dollars from true lifetime users. Thank you for this Daniel!

Please don't be pessimistic. Filmora actually wants us to try other softwares too, I just downloaded DaVinci Resolve. 😎

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

You’ll love it. I used it to edit this video

@JoshuaG

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Batal Does DaVinci Resolve have the same or more amount of functionality as filmora ??

@InsaneToggled

Жыл бұрын

@@JoshuaG no daVinci is a very powerful editing tool, but complicated to learn, once you learn it you will be very surprised, there is also a paid version which is just insane! Note: daVinci is very heavy and requires some good hardware.

@thegroove2000

Жыл бұрын

Ha ha ha.

@JeffBourke

Жыл бұрын

Resolve free is very limited in import options and export options. Can’t import 10 bit 264 and can’t export 264/5. On the plus side they DO offer a lifetime license 😂

You practically answered all my questions from here to the other video you did. I've been using Filmora for years since 8 first came out now I'm dropping them completely, glad I still follow you hope to see more videos on other video editors

Kudos for using your platform to stand up for yourself and those around you 👏 It’s a shame their immediate reaction is to double down, especially so publicly. They could have approached this backlash so differently and used it as an opportunity to humanise the brand whilst turning this into an amazing piece of PR…making a bunch of frustrated people even stronger advocates moving forward. Instead, it feels like they’ve stuck two fingers up in the heat of the moment which is just going to cement peoples feelings where they currently are. This is disappointing to see from a brand I once had such love for!! Thanks again for speaking up ❤

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

Very disappointing on many levels. Unfortunately Filmora just hit my channel with a copyright strike and DMCA takedown for one of my videos. Looks like they are really trying to silence this conversation. If they hit me with two more identical type strikes, KZread will remove my channel so if I disappear, you'll know why

@UnleashTheGhouls

Жыл бұрын

Urgh that’s actually disgusting. If it’s a softener whilst I’m sure you’re stressing out a little from it all, I’m confident the community will support you and force KZread to listen if Filmora unfairly attempt to impact your channel, sir. KZread have no reason to allow Filmora to damage how KZread is perceived in the way they let brands bully/penalise creators who are following fair use for critique/review anyway. If there’s a backlash aimed at KZread, they’ll protect themselves and, therefore, by default, you. Interestingly enough, we just got offered a free upgrade to v12 without having to pay anything at all. So odd! Stay strong brother 💪

Glad I switched to Davinci Resolve. Yes it may be a steeper learning curve but at least Blackmagic aren't like a certain other company that has been screwing over customers lately with their 'subscription only' plans. As for this video, big props to you Daniel. About time somebody started to call companies out for their anti-consumer behaviour.

@lx2222x

Жыл бұрын

I think as far as I know if you buy one of their products you may get the studio version for free

@jordanking7711

Жыл бұрын

@@lx2222x do you mean for DaVinci or Filmora? If you’re talking about DaVinci, yes you are right. For example for Studio 17, you can upgrade to 18 for free as long as it’s the Studio version.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

Solid choice

@lx2222x

Жыл бұрын

@@jordanking7711 yes I mean Davinci. I think if you buy one of their cameras you get the studio version for free

@jordanking7711

Жыл бұрын

@@lx2222x yes you are correct 😀

I'm not really sure why KZread suggested your part 1 of this saga to me, but I'm glad they did. I hadn't seen your channel before but it looks like a good one, so I subscribed. I'm a terrible video editor, so your channel should be pretty helpful to me. I appreciate hearing your thoughts on Filmora. They definitely seem to have the corporate weasel division working on this situation and they are failing miserably at it.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

Welcome back!

@Dimona_UK

Жыл бұрын

Same. :) this dudes cool.

Thank goodness I found your video recently and you saved me some slack before I'll be charged automatically without warning around next year of Jan! I'm currently in disbelief; I was thrown out of the bus. I may not be a long term lifetime sub as other folks such as yourself, Daniel, but I only got my lifetime sub just little few months ago during Filmora 11 until Filmora 12 came out. It disheartens me when I'm in a budget. Above all, your video deserves to be heard; I haven't seen a single video of anyone talking out about this issue.

This behavior of Filmora is absolutely shameful. This is not how honest people behave. I will remember that and never purchase or use any their products in my LIFETIME. Big thanks for making the issue public.

Following in Adobe's foot-steps. Sell CS box copies to thousands for hundreds of pounds each, move to subscription model with new versions, saturate subscription market, screw over those that never felt the need to subscribe for the new versions because old box copy still did the jobs. Yeah Adobe did that, flew under the media radar too. My CS4 box copy came with discs to install and product key, I purchased it so it's mine forever. Or so I thought, Adobe deactivated the ability to activate the software with the product key.

@ArcticExploring

Жыл бұрын

That's just like buying a car and after 5 years the key doesn't start the car anymore

@lastlast2078

Жыл бұрын

@@ArcticExploring That day is coming unless something changes the course society is currently on. BMW heated seats subscription was introduced this year. That's right, the car HAS heated seats but you can't use them without subscribing. Only a matter of time until you can't turn the whole car on without subscribing.

@ArcticExploring

Жыл бұрын

@@lastlast2078 BMW already, I heard something that Tesla had something like that but didn't bother thinking about it until now.

Was about to purchase Filmora for the first time before seeing this and now I want to thank you for exposing dishonest companies like this, I will be looking into other ones. Thanks for the videos :)

You have an open and shut case of breach of contract... Get the other lifetime liscence holders together and file a class action lawsuit...

Daniel , you'd be surprised how many people don't get anything that isn't about the money . Integrity and honesty are just words to be used to portray those meanings .

Honestly, how much is their goodwill and reputation worth? Apparently $79.99 (in Australia). Again, thank you for speaking out about this. Potential customers need to know what kind of tactics this company is capable of.

@SmallSpoonBrigade

Жыл бұрын

I suspect that they don't care because the company is in a bad spot financially. It's the main reason why companies discontinue these programs and want to cancel them completely. They're not receiving more money to cover development and they still have bills to pay, if enough new users aren't paying to cover whatever isn't covered by the money they've already collected, then they're going to be insolvent before too long.

Suggestion - lifetime subscribers who are being screwed by Filmora could file causes of action in Small Claims Court in their respective states, alleging breach of contract and perhaps fraudulent misrepresentation.

@andrzej2501

Жыл бұрын

LOL This is a PRC company - the "law" there is whatever brings money to CCP. Scam some gullible non-Hans? Good job, comrade!

@MostlyDrones

Жыл бұрын

This is a world wide scam. Not a state problem.

@ellievate1337

Жыл бұрын

Oh for sure they could also likely argue that they could get the maximum allowed pay out if they were using it for their income. Even if they were to win every case they would still have to fight each and every one or lose by default. Not to mention how expensive it is for companies to fight small claims most of them don’t even bother.

@mystixa

Жыл бұрын

Yea I am a lifetime licensee to xm/sirius. Way back when they did essentially the same thing, but were sued and required to continue providing service to us as they had promised. ..and this is back when they had a lot of $ for lawyers haha. It CAN be done, and I think should be done.

@SmallSpoonBrigade

Жыл бұрын

IANAL, but this smacks of a violation of their contract either by forcing a worse version of the agreement in order to use the contractual rights of the user or to forego further updates and retain the lifetime updates. A court isn't likely to go along with that as there is no way for the customer to go which doesn't result in a material breech to the contract.

The last video on this was provided by the YT algorithm, I clicked to watch the follow up. Dude you have a new sub right here, great vid.

I've been made aware of this issue through your videos so I'm not completely up to speed on the nuances, but, one thing I'd say is regardless whether their move is legal or not, it's certainly in morally grey territory. The best thing Filmora users can do is to vote with their pocketbook and take their business elsewhere, including to products like the free and amazing Davinci Resolve. I think it's amazing that you've put the spotlight on the issue and I hope your raising the awareness of their practices is going to have a significant impact on their future sales.

This falls in line with about every other software that I use. Basically the industry as a whole has decided that they will be using subscription model going forward for everything. I think this basically comes down to investors wanting their 10-20% year after year. So many companies are overleveraged or run by hedge funds now it's sickening.

@pattskatoey3139

Жыл бұрын

You aren’t wrong.

@lightishredgummi9654

Жыл бұрын

all this carnage because a bunch of people with no money problems simply like watching numbers go up

@hawk_ness

Жыл бұрын

Sadly you have hit the nail on the head. Shareholders and Vulture Captialists are destroying companies and products due to their greed and their desire for growth by anymeans. The customer to them is just a piggybank that they think they can raid when they want to. We just need to start standing up to these companies and demand we go back to the old ways of You buy the software and thats yours, want to upgrade to a new major version then just pay a bit to get that new software.

@thewhitefalcon8539

Жыл бұрын

@@lightishredgummi9654 it's not money,, it's power. They are our kings and the higher the number is the more ability they have to rule

@IHMyself

Жыл бұрын

Yeah and it sucks. Subscriptions are insanely expensive in the end...

Hi Daniel, Maybe a collaboration with Legal Eagle would be interesting to see. Then we can put it to the test to see what they are doing is actually legal. Edit: To clarify I don't mean a class-action lawsuit but what i mean is to see what would happen IF you gonna do that and if Filmora broke some rules containing the license agreement and/or their updates/upgrades from it.

@SmallSpoonBrigade

Жыл бұрын

This is unlikely to be a valid contract. You can't normally force a customer to choose between you breaching the contract or signing a new contract without the term that they want to breach. Either way, you wind up not getting the terms that you paid for.

@FartInhalerSlamPoetry

Жыл бұрын

Actually Letos Law might be a better choice

@WilliamLDeRieuxIV

Жыл бұрын

I haven't read the original EULA, and I am by no means familiar enough with associated laws or hold a law degree, but I would suspect that EULA had language (as is the case with nearly all of them) that might read like this: **We reserve the right to make changes to this EULA with or without notice.** Every EULA I have seen has a clause similar to that -- and it allows them to legally throw people under the bus (if they chose to).

@sparttin117john

Жыл бұрын

@@WilliamLDeRieuxIV I don't think stuff like that always holds up in court though. Some times they put stuff like that in there just to discourage people from trying to take them to court.

@michaelwillman5342

Жыл бұрын

@William L. DeRieux IV You cant impose new conditions like that after the purchase, that contradict the terms of the purchase. EULAs are basically toilet paper anyways.

Thank you Daniel, I had no idea they'd decided to do this to us Lifetime license holders. I bought a Filmora lifetime license way back in 2014 so you can probably imagine how early the version was. I've used it for all my small part time projects and it's been a brilliant piece of software that has done exactly what I needed it to do. Today all that has ended, I've watched both of your videos and have decided to uninstal Filmora. When I first bought my lifetime license for Filmora, I asked the same questions yourself and probably thousands of others asked, mainly does the license cover ALL future versions of Filmora? Their answer was that it did, it would cover EVERY new version of Filmora that was released. It didn't matter what the version number or letter was, the license would cover all future versions as well. If they'd have sent me an email asking if I wished to update my license or exchange it for one of their plans for a small fee I probably would have done so.I've used their software for nearly a decade and wouldn't have minded chucking a bit of extra cash their way, but the way the whole thing has been handled by them is just plain wrong In future I'll stick to free/open source software (Davinci here I come)

This is perfect. I was minutes away from buying Filmora but decided to look on KZread for some guides. Found your other video and this one. NO WAY can I trust this company. I hope anyone from the EU can get something done as this I am sure is illegal in EU. Thank you for the warning! Now to find something else...

Time to report them to whatever trade description body you have. This is a clear breach by them and they would get nailed in court with all this evidence.

"Lifetime" Filmora user here. I will be switching to DaVinci Resolve. I have in the past recommended Filmora to friends, now I will be sure to recommend that people stay clear of Wondershare products. Thanks Daniel for keeping us informed!

Crazy! I just discovered this from your previous video, then found the email they sent me. I had no idea, mine updated/upgraded to 12, but no indication if I need to pay moving forward. I won't be, regardless. I'll find something that is pay once and download, and stick with that.

This sounds a little like automakers who proposed to offer subscriptions to use options that are built into your car, like heated seats or premium sound systems. The pushback has been so bad on the idea that some automakers are backpedaling on implementation. Keep up the pressure, but remember that bean counters feel no shame. Affect their bottom line enough and they will grow a conscience.

When I firmly rejected their "give us feedback for a license" and presented them with the vision of a lawsuit in EU court (U know, the same that ordered Apple to change their charging port), my license for Filmora 12 was "redeemed". However, I think that Wondershare just committed 'PR suicide'. R.I.P. Wondershare!

Hopefully this gets out to enough people and they react so that it hurts Filmora's wallet, bigtime. Like circling the drain big time and if they don't change then it's time they got flushed. This will also send a clear message to other companies that this type of behavior is not only unacceptable but detrimental. A class action lawsuit may also be a good idea.

@paulrosebush9137

Жыл бұрын

It reached my feed and I don't edit video at all, just audio, via Reaper.

@SmallSpoonBrigade

Жыл бұрын

TBH, I have a feeling that they did this because they are CTD. Lifetime licenses and equivalents are something that companies need to be very careful about because once that sale is made, you have greatly limited your ability to get more money from those customers. A lifetime license that a company can reasonably maintain is going to be some combination of very expensive or limited in number available. More money is needed for future development and even just ensuring that the software works with newer operating system versions can be expensive.

@UrBasicGuy

Жыл бұрын

@@SmallSpoonBrigade Be that as it may, they should have considered that when it was first offered. I can understand them no longer offering it but they need to stand behind their original deal they made with those that purchased "Lifetime" subscriptions. Those sales helped put them where they are now and to now do what they are doing is spitting in the faces that helped them get where they are now. They deserve to fail and go under.

@Codered1218

Жыл бұрын

It reached my feed and I haven’t done any sort of video editing in probably close to 10 years. Hope it keeps getting out there, I hate to see companies like this getting away with lying to their customers

Will never purchase anything from a company that treats their most loyal longtime customers like that.

perfect timing for such a self explanatory content as I'm on market for video software, I haven't decide which one to buy but I know now which one to keep far. thanks for the heads up Daniel

Yup I have the early contract I believe by law they have to honor it. I Think we need to lawyer up start a online petition to get our point across and let a lawyer take on our case.

So glad you addressed all of this. Companies have moved to the subscription platform. They want a commitment to have revenue...basically a contract. I was considering changing video software to possibly Filmora, but I'm taking the route you did. I'm in the process of learning Resolve now and saved your Resolve training video. Thanks for unveiling all of this.

@phoenixankaa

Жыл бұрын

@@TACTICALNOMAD Thanks so very much. Made a copy. I like this gentleman too. Personality is key, so is knowledge.

@georgilas

Жыл бұрын

World Economic Forum: By 2030, you'll own nothing and be happy.

Filmora doesn't understand that when they offered 'lifetime' they were getting capital to a specific few (because buying that was only available while they were selling it). That capital (sold that way; 'lifetime') is almost like selling stock / ownership into your company. They don't need to block previous customers. New people are born everyday (meaning that new customers are always going to be possible). Previous customers should be grandfathered! GREAT VIDEO DAN!

this is the first videos of yours i've seen, and I have never even heard of Filmora before but I am totally invested in this

Daniel has my upmost respect. Utilizing his spare time to answer as many questions that he can for us. 🤘🏼😎

@miketype1each

Жыл бұрын

For real.

@bulkvanderhuge9006

Жыл бұрын

*utmost

As others have said, I wasn't sure why YT decided to recommend Part 1 of this story to me, but I'm glad they did. This is really bad behavior from Filmora. Both in trying to get away from their end of the deal, and how they did it. It pisses me off. No Filmora purchase from me. But *you* got yourself a new subscriber!

I get it, they’re not scumbags because they’re greedy, they’re scumbags because they’re actively lying about literally everything and retroactively changing their own words.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

You get it.

This is actually the first time I’ve ever heard of this company and what they are doing and I feel it’s wrong

Given what Filmora has done, hope your next video looks at and compares different alternatives (free and paid) to avoid using Filmora. Love your videos!

@omegadude332

Жыл бұрын

Would be nice if he did that

@ldorman

Жыл бұрын

@@TACTICALNOMAD It's not free, they do a lot of data mining in DV-R - alone that you need to register where email and phone# is mandatory. If I see pop-ups like that, I don't even try. It's a red-flag.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

I'll be diving into DaVinci Resolve's free version for sure.

@RonOnTheGrill

Жыл бұрын

I hope so too Daniel. Davinci Resolve just looks like way more than I need for what I do in my videos. I'm doing pretty basic stuff.

@andrzej2501

Жыл бұрын

And just exclude anything that comes out of PRC. In fact in my opinion PRC should be isolated HARD.

I started with DaVinci Resolve, which I had never edited before. The saving grace was people making how-to videos on DR. One day, I hope to pass on some of the things I have learned to the DR Community. I really have a hard time with how Filmora has treated you over this issue just a weird company to do that to someone that did so much for them in the past! Good Luck, and hope to see some DR videos from you soon,

Davinci couldn't have paid for better advertising than what Filmora handed to them

I use Davinci Resolve 18, and it was your "noob" video that pointed me to your channel, and had me subsequently subscribe.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

Welcome aboard ☮️

@HawgRiderBC

Жыл бұрын

@@Daniel_Batal I even downloaded your song from Deezer. 😎

I've never watched this channel before these videos, nor heard of Filmora or had a need for it.. but I am absolutely committed to this entire ordeal and how they handle this.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

I'll let you know if anything happens. So far, they seem to be dying on this particular hill

I wonder how they would respond to a class action… EDIT: Commented too early, just got to the part where Daniel discusses this. This whole thing kind of reads like 1 or 2 executives calling the shots entirely convinced that this action is not only valid but also financially beneficial for the company at large. They won’t budge until they lose enough customers and/or get sued. I’ve seen it happen way too many times.

@PaulRansonArt

Жыл бұрын

I have a little legal experience with regards to class action and no I'm not a lawyer. Class action law suits are the preserve of the rich - period. The costs involved in retaining a lawyer can run into 10's if not 100's of thousands of $$ just to get the ball rolling. The cases can take years to resolve ( I reference a class action against a major airline going on since 2005 for fuel surcharges on passenger air fares ). Most of us will be dead and buried whilst the legal profession enjoy a rich retirement. Ultimatly the cases usually settle out of court with no one coming out a winner save the lawyers. In short the law has nothing to do with juststice for lifetime license holders.

@AlmasyAlliances

Жыл бұрын

Except the EULA that you clicked 'read and accepted'. States in Section 20: This agreement will be governed by the laws of the People's Republic of China... Any disputes arising out of or in connection with this agreement shall be settled by the Shenzhen Court of International Arbitration in according with its effective rules to the extent not prohibited by local law in your jurisdiction.

@navcenter77

Жыл бұрын

@@AlmasyAlliances Take it from experience the EULA would not be enforced. They promoted a product using fraud in multiple western countries. The Chinese govt has a long standing reputation of letting criminals fall under the bus in western legal systems so they as a govt look honorable and legit by comparison. If I were the people running filmora, I would immediately honor previous promises or happily bend over and kiss my butt goodbye.

@dmaifred

Жыл бұрын

Then these new execs move on with contracted payouts and leave behind a broken company and innocent unemployed workers (hope no one changes their contracts after they signed)

@monsterdonutkid

Жыл бұрын

@@dmaifred Too real. I work in eCommerce and a few of my previous projects ended this way. The sad part is the toll of these misguided decisions usually falls on people like me who interact directly with the customers. It’s dangerous to be a business owner who has 100% control of what happens within the company. As the old adage goes, absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Just sue them and move on. They are not living up to the agreement you agreed to.

I don't use any video editing software but your videos on this drama were fantastically made!

You can absolutely win in court, since the agreement you agreed to before their silent change does not include that language

It's called breach a contract, if not for yourself, because of your powerful voice, launch a class action lawsuit against them for breach of contract, and force them to honor the original terms and conditions.

@generationdink

Жыл бұрын

Instead push for compensation or settlement, forfeit that licence, and try to never use software from that company again! 🤷🏻

Clear bait and switch that doesn’t even come close to passing the pub test. Not an IP or contract law lawyer in the that wouldn’t be dreading defending a client that acted in such clear bad faith.

I tried using filmora a few years ago when I was first getting into video editing and was seriously considering paying for a plan. With all this happening, I’m super glad I ended up not going through with it and instead learning davinci resolve. Great video and thank you for this information

This is one of the reasons why open source software is the only viable option if you want long term stability. It's a shame that the film editing landscape is kinda weak on the open source side, but that stuff changes fast - just look at the recent changes to the note engraving landscape. Hopefully the open source renaissance will reach film editing soon.

@esbrasill

Жыл бұрын

True, i use -and contribute to- open source software wherever possible.

@nigelsilverthorn9188

Жыл бұрын

But make sure you also read the open license agreement....it's not as OPEN as you might think. It can be a real headache (if needed for commercial use for example). In my industry we add as much, or more, diligence to OPEN source licensing.

@akeiai

Жыл бұрын

@@nigelsilverthorn9188 can you give examples of software with borked OSS license?

@TejWC

Жыл бұрын

@@akeiai Most likely referring to Unreal Engine. It's "Open Source" but not GPL. That's why you should look for a real FLOSS license rather than just "Open Source"

@TejWC

Жыл бұрын

Blender3D has made great strides in this area. Not the best video editor but now it's a good 3D animation Swiss Army Knife. If more people promote and use free open source software, the better it will become.

I commented on the previous video and adressed things you're addressing here. Good to know my thought process matches yours.

Me and my wife are a new KZread creators and we were looking for a better software. It wasn’t as complicated. I kind of liked filmora but after listening to your commentary on filmora and the lifetime licensing issues decided to go with da Vinci pro! Thank you for the heads up I liked and subscribed

@daesong1378

Жыл бұрын

The only issue I used to have with Resolve was that their export encoding for H264/265 seemed to be really bad. I’m not sure if they’ve improved it since it’s been a couple years now, at that time I think premiere encoder slightly better. I had struggled a lot with getting good quality video onto KZread.

As a legal matter, it is well-established that a contract is a binding agreement between parties that establishes the terms and conditions under which a product or service will be provided. In the context of software development, a contract typically sets forth the rights and obligations of the parties with respect to the use and maintenance of the software. In this scenario as described, it appears that the user has entered into a contract to purchase and use the software under certain terms and conditions. If the company has signed an agreement to accept the terms of the contract, it is bound by the terms of that contract and cannot retroactively modify the agreement without the consent of the other party (you). It is generally recognized that the purpose of a contract is to provide certainty and stability in the parties' rights and obligations. If contracts could be changed retrospectively, it would undermine the predictability and reliability of the agreement, rendering it meaningless. To avoid any potential disputes or breaches of contract, it is important for the user/company to carefully review and understand the terms of the agreement before signing it, and to seek legal counsel if there are any questions or concerns. It is also important for the company to fulfill its obligations under the contract in a timely and satisfactory manner. It is also important to note that I am not a lawyer; I just play one on the internet!

There's an issue I think you should be aware of, regarding Filmora and their software. There is a chance that a critical part of your hardware might fail some day. If you chose to reinstall the Filmora software, it might detect the hardware changes and put up a requester saying you must upgrade the software to continue using it, and for you to pay for a new license. It's certainly not going to be the lifetime license. Granted, since you switched to the other editing software, so this might not bother you that much, if at all. It will, however, be an issue for any other users of the Filmora software, and one that they should be aware of. I'm not sure what capability the Filmora programming team has, regarding detection of crucial system components, or if they even scan for such changes. I'm just putting this out there. Nothing lasts forever, if a crucial hardware part needs to be replaced, it could potentially cause issues with installing Filmora software.

@latinumbavariae

Жыл бұрын

Or you do it the Adobe-way: Lightroom 6 was the last "pepertual" license. Which is ok for me since it works just fine on Win10 and reads all my cameras RAW-files... until I had to reinstall from the original DVD. After that the software recommends to update from version 6.0 to 6.14, but the builtin update-checker doesn't work any more and v6.14 is nowhere to be found on Adobes website. The support recommends upgrading to a LrCC subscription, of course. I got the installer from a collegue, but lesson learned. Save all those precious MSIs for future use. storage is cheap.

Wow. Showed this to a fresh cinema and arts student. He saved some money and many headaches. His friends too.

I’ve never heard of Filmora or your channel. That being said, I am now 100% invested in this. Pls keep us updated with any new information or replies from Filmora (for free of course) as I am now subscribed to your channel for lifetime

Just came over from the first video and wanted to say thank you again!! Not everyday someone shows your level of integrity 💜🙏

When you need a law degree to interpret the word games and KNOW what you are paying for in a license agreement it is clear that the seller is trying to do a shell game on the consumer.

@k.chriscaldwell4141

Жыл бұрын

A friend of mine calls it Three-Word Monte.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

Right, Erik? It's just a swamp for them and users right now.

People who say, "It's not a lot of money. What's the big deal?" are the reason we have so many greedy companies that use immortal tactics.

@Daniel_Batal

Жыл бұрын

Yep. Crowdfunding. That initial event landed the company somewhere between $60,000,000 to $100,000,000 based on their user base data.

I'm so invested in this controversy that I didn't even know was a thing until I saw the first video. These videos are great.

Filmora have made at least one thing very clear to me as a user of competitive software: This is a company that will not hesitate to rewrite history to comport with its current set of 'facts'. George Orwell would be proud. I won't even download Wondershare products from Giveaway-of-the-Day anymore.

I'm curious what a lawyer's take on this would be as far as a class action. Typically in these situations, a company just stops giving out lifetime keys and grandfathers the OGs that were early adopters that allowed them to get where they are today. My main thing with Filmora was that even though it lacked lots of technical features, it was adding them based on popularity AND it has really good UI. Filmora WAS the plucky underdog for creators. Unfortunately these changes make me question if they've had leadership changes and if there's spyware/metadata being sold if they're this hellbent on getting money out of it's long time customers. I thought they made money on us buying packs and modules? I already dropped Photoshop for Affinity and as I mentioned before, I picked up a Resolve license. Time to tinker.

@roygalaasen

Жыл бұрын

I am not a lawyer so don’t take my advice in such a way, but I don’t think I have never seen a contract without the disclaimer somewhere along the line of “subject to change” in some kind of formulation as one of the first paragraphs.

@randommcranderson5155

Жыл бұрын

>I'm curious what a lawyer's take on this would be as far as a class action "pay me money to sue, you'll get 55c per license and I'll get millions of dollars."

@vi683a

Жыл бұрын

@@randommcranderson5155 who pays that?

@DavidHHH99

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing that when you installed one of the later "upgrades", you were forced to agree to the new EULA - with the new terms - to use the new version. If so, then you have no legal recourse to sue.

@williamcousert

Жыл бұрын

@@DavidHHH99 Maybe not, but the reviews on KZread should be enough to drive away a huge percentage of their future customers.