I want to thank the folks at Bending Spoons and Filmic for encouraging me to look for another app. Very happy to have landed on Cinema P3. Quite a nice app.

@mpmarvin999

Жыл бұрын

"I want to thank the folks at Bending Spoons and Filmic for encouraging me to look for another app" 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Keep bringing the comparison videos. I love these!

What a great video. Thank you! This also supports and confirms that when I found P3 a couple months ago, I chose correctly. I love the Hateful Eight demo you did as well. Looks amazing! I have plans to make a Sci-Fi movie with my kids. I’ll be incorporating a lot of CGI elements into the iPhone footage.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Very cool, good luck with the movie! Shooting 10-bit and ProRes should come in handy for the VFX. Thanks for watching.

This was great! Thanks a lot Blake.

Exactly what I was looking for thank you!!!

Can you show the actual log settings used in the Cinema P3 app since there are quite a few when choosing the creative setting.

Thank you for this comparison. I’m getting into mobile video and was really interested in Filmic until I saw the price. This looks like a great alternative.

Nice video! Im curious if the log from cinema p3 gets rid of iPhone's insane over-sharpening

Thx alot for this comparsion. Best alternative since Filmic went to a subscribtion model. 👍

Thank you very much for this comparisonl! I decided to get the Cinema P3. I have the iPhone XS Max and it doesn't record in 10-bit, however in Cinema P3 there is an option called "HLG P3 8-bit" which supposedly increases the dynamic range of the video. However, if I use this option it doesn't allow me to use a Log profile. I would like to know, if I want to color grade later in post, which option is better? P3 with Log A or HLG P3 without Log profile? Which one will give me more dynamic range and color correction freedom in post? Thanks a lot!

Since being introduce to Cinema P3, by you last month, I've been bragging about it. It's a great little app. Thank you.

i appreciate your videos man. Theres little coverage of this camera app but I think the quality of this app rivals the best of them and its very affordable

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Thanks for watching!

I made the switch to Cinema P3. It's been working great in my workflow.

Thank very much!

I tried Cinema P3 and adopted it. I find it easier to colorgrade when using Log. Since, I did not use Filmic Pro without any feeling of missing out something. :))

@felixkrell890

10 ай бұрын

do all the presets and color adjustments and LUTs stay in the Clean HDMI mode? I am trying to set up a good livestream

Can you please do an in depth review of the pro camera. Manual + HDR app and/or a compare video of this app and the pro camera by moment app ! It would be greatly appreciated !! Seems like pro camera (not moment) released a major update last month!

Hi, what lens you are using for you smallrig cage?

Thanks for the video, Blake. I have switched to Cinema P3 after seeing this video. After seeing all your videos my BMPCC 6K does not go on trips with me anymore. I use a Movi Cinema Robot with my iPhone X. Much easier on long trips.

@JordanLedbetter

Жыл бұрын

You can't even begin to compare the footage from an iPhone with a BMPCC...

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

You can’t? 😃 kzread.info/dash/bejne/qGar0cysoLDVepc.html

@DutchAussieProductions

Жыл бұрын

I agree the results are different, but most of my filming is for family holidays. The iPhone results are excellent. I use the BMPCC 6K in my studio for 95% of my videos.

Hey, it’s a great comparison, dude! I really appreciate it. Good job. Will you mind to share what log profiles did you use in p3? A, b, c..?

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

B Log. I think that’s the only option when shooting ProRes. Thanks for watching!

@blackburnapps5276

Жыл бұрын

@@iphoneographers In Cinema P3 Pro Camera, you can use B-Log, C-Log or D-Log with ProRes. I would recommend using the 10-bit HLG Video Codec and choose either C-Log or D-Log. This will ensure you capture the High Dynamic Range and Wide Color (Rec.2020) output from the camera. You can then convert to SDR or HDR using the LUTs provided within the App in your favorite editor. If you use B-Log, you get the convenience of BT.709 for SDR workflows, but the dynamic range and color gamut is reduced to SDR BT.709.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Great, thanks for the clarification. I should’ve been more clear saying that I was shooting in 10-bit SDR ProRes purposely and correct me if I’m wrong, but B log is the only option for that?

Please do a review of 8mm Vintage Camera App as it has went through a major change.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

I’ll check it out. I’ve used that app forever. I did a review like 4 or 5 years ago, but didn’t realize they updated it.

I hope you do a follow up with manual exposure set to the same for both apps. Do both apps have vector scopes?

@blackburnapps5276

Жыл бұрын

Cinema P3 Pro Camera has mini and full screen Vector Scope. (It also has Luma Scope, XY Scope, RGB Parade, RGB Overlay, RGB histogram, Luma Histogram, False Color Analysis and Zebras)

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

I’m planning on doing more comparisons for sure.

Cinema P3 now has a video pause record button, you can turn it on in the settings.

Purchased C-P3 & keeping FilMic Legacy 📱

I had the same tone mapping issues with Filmic pro in the past, I deleted the app when they went to subscription. I moved to CinemaP3, REC, and MoviePro. I’m not paying a monthly subscription to use features on my phone’s camera. Honestly Apple needs to step up and unlock the advanced capabilities, still can’t believe they have ProRes but you can’t set the WB.

@daemonjofficial

Жыл бұрын

I can second that.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Yeah Apple loves simplicity, but sometimes things can be too simple, especially regarding video and photography.

@daveboy1247

Жыл бұрын

@@iphoneographers Cinema P3 now has a video pause record button, you can turn it on in the settings.

@techdyuk0v

Жыл бұрын

@@daveboy1247 I’m already using 🙏🏻💪🏻

I've been following (and loving) your channel for years. I think Blackmagic and Apple completely changed the game with both the FREE Blackmagic Camera app and Apple's own LOG video recording mode. The other video recording apps are DONE and GONE. Do you agree? 😊 No more subscriptions, no more tedious color grading workflows. Can't wait to see how the new Apple LOG works!

Did you see Blake, FilmicPro won’t let you share videos, transfer them to your Photo library unless you take out a subscription. Even if you bought it outright previously.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Yes, indeed, they have switched over to a subscription model for V7. Although the legacy V6 is still available and you can go back to that.

Thank you for the video. I bought it. Can you explain? Does using log increase dynamic range? I can `t get it. In the description of the Cinema P3 program, it says the log does not increase the dynamic range, but the description of Filmic Pro says it increases.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

You can’t increase dynamic range as it is what it is - but you can increase what you see of it shooting log. Especially in the shadows and mid tones. So in other words, if you shot in a standard baked in look the shadows would be more contrasty, and in some cases crushed versus shooting log (where you see more of the DR).

Please do a comparison Apple Log on new iPhone 15 Pro vs Cinema P3! Nobody did it yet!

@iphoneographers

8 ай бұрын

I just did it with FiLMiC Pro, which is very similar to P3. You might check that out… kzread.info/dash/bejne/c42DsruRXb3dgJs.htmlsi=1A5k2HBgOi9qoC9s

Do you always use pro res log or do you ever use the native camera app 😮 I still use legacy filmic 😅

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

I use everything! 😎 Seriously though, it totally depends. I primarily use log (ProRes or 10-bit HEVC) when shooting narrative style or important videos I plan to color grade or do VFX on. Otherwise for everyday stuff I shoot standard 8-bit HEVC .

this app is super great! they have 10bit HLG and 10bit 709 most great part its have more than 30fps till 60fps!!!!and format whats the wide mode!I will check and test it!anyway thank you from your sharing👍🏻

@blackburnapps5276

Жыл бұрын

The 4K Wide crops the video for a 2:39:1 aspect ratio.

What about Filmic Legacy? Does it compare favourably with Cinema P3?

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, similar vibe.

I've asked this same question in your other video, not sure if you've seen it but, I'll ask again. I get Media Offline in Resolve each time I try to drop my Iphone 14 Pro Max DNG image file into my Timeline. I don't have the same issues with png, jpeg, jpg and all that just DNG. I have the free version of Resolve. I've tried many options from several forums but, none seem to work so far. I just want to know, do you have similar problems viewing your dng files in your video editor as well? if not, what are the step by step walkaround, thanks.

@captureinsidethesound

Жыл бұрын

You are referring to DNG image sequences that are placed in a file? You need to drag-n-drop or import the folder into Media Pool and then you can add it to the time-line. I wasn't aware that iPhones can record DNG image sequences. The file size would be much larger than ProRes.

@Sir-Kay

Жыл бұрын

@@captureinsidethesound Not knowing the latest Iphone now shoot DNG images shows you might not be able to answer the question. Yes Sir, there is a smartphone that shoot in such format now. And I meant photos not video clips. And the generic answer "click on the 3dots in Media Pool and change Individual to Sequence" didn't help and none of the others did. There is one secret no one wants to reveal.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

I just answered your question (or tried to) in another comment. :) I think you need to use a photo editor app like Photoshop or Darkroom to import and edit the raw image.

@Sir-Kay

Жыл бұрын

@@iphoneographers I've tried Snapseed as it's free, yes it take DNG RAW still photos and I can import it now but, it's not the same RAW image anymore. See, when I open a RAW imagine on my MAC unedited, I can see very sharp image and of course it says DNG, but after editing on 3rd party Apps like Snapseed/Lightroom etc, it exports it in png or Jpeg and it's no longer the crisp image any more. It's still good but, just not as good as straight out of the Iphone. I guess you don't have that issue as DNG/RAW are Adobe compatible so, you won't have issues with compatibility in your adobe Premier Pro video editor.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Check your export settings. You may be compressing them too much or shrinking the file size. You don’t use a raw file after editing - you export it as a PNG or JPEG or TIFF, etc. - then import that into Resolve.

For me one really important point to mention is that cinema P3 does not collect ANY of your data (at least according to the app store) whereas filmic pro is equivalent to a random guy sitting in your bedroom’s corner writing down everything you do, and selling all that info to other people who find ways to monetise it. For me, an app that spies on you is an absolute dealbreaker.

@iphoneographers

9 ай бұрын

Cool, I didn’t realize that. Thanks for pointing that out.

I went ahead and got a sub to FP v7; will it renew or not next year.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Same. But definitely looking at other options for me, and for everyone else to help make their decision. :)

do you have recommended video setting for cinema p3 app?

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Depends on what you’re shooting. I did a general overview here… kzread.info/dash/bejne/nH5tpJpyfKmfaco.html

The white balance has a lock maybe thats why its off (P3)

Did you say Filmic went subscription? Wow!! Why couldn't they just add some premium features instead and keep that with a subscription instead of locking the whole app that people purchased? Glad I disabled my auto updates lol. I'm still able to use it.

Very informative comparison. Anyway, I became great fan of shooting in 10Bit HLG with both my iPhone 12 Pro Max and my Lumix S1H. HLG does not only provide more leeway in the highlights, but it is the only cross-camera profile that is vendor-independent. That means, I can use the same grading for all my footage across cameras with only minor adjustments for color matching. And, it renders 3 times faster in Davinci Resolve compared to Log-footage.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

So are you finishing in HDR or SDR? I also shoot HLG on my Sony mirrorless camera. But I use a Rec 709 SDR workflow in post.

@LouisLuzuka

Жыл бұрын

I’m curious how to do this in the 12 pro max

@joyoffilming9500

Жыл бұрын

@@iphoneographers You're right - i forgot to mention. I am finishing for SDR (Rec709). Anyway, once captured the footage in HLG I can re-work in post for HDR once required.

how about Protake Apps please compare

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Did a few comparisons here including ProTake… kzread.info/dash/bejne/qqepxaalZ7fPpto.html

I like the app a lot but am stymied when it comes to setting ISO and shutter speed. My iPhone 12 Pro Max handles everyone’s apps with ease and I have been doing this for years. Their website doesn’t really help with this.

@blackburnapps5276

Жыл бұрын

Set the "Exposure Mode" to "Manual" in order to display the ISO and SS (shutter speed) controls.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

I did an overview video that might help kzread.info/dash/bejne/nH5tpJpyfKmfaco.html (it’s not a full tutorial though).

Is there a remote app for Cinema P3?

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

No. Filmic and MoviePro seem to be the main two that have a dedicated companion app.

Hi. When i use cinema p3 , it looks like video is horizontally stretched. Note : am using free version now. Can u give some solution please

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Sounds like you might have accidentally enabled anamorphic mode. Check to make sure that’s off.

@MrJljerin

Жыл бұрын

@@iphoneographers yes i got it . Thank you 🙏

Is the price the same?

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

No. FiLMiC Pro is now a subscription app at $49.99/year. P3 is one-time $6.99.

P3 has a C Log and D Log.

*Promo sm*

4th…darn.

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

Slacker! 🤓

Neither of these are actual log, but rather heavily processed "flat" Rec709 video. I'll just keep using a proper camera haha

@DJJS7

Жыл бұрын

Your'e so cool, mate! 🍪

@blackburnapps5276

Жыл бұрын

In Cinema P3 Pro Camera, it is actually Log. The C-Log and D-Log options are 10-bit HDR in Rec.2020 color space. The LUTs which can be exported from within the App allow you to convert the Log to SDR BT.709, HDR Rec.2020 PQ or HDR DaVinci Wide color spaces.

@DennisSchmitz

Жыл бұрын

@@blackburnapps5276 so HLG basically? That's still display-referred and not intended for grading although with some proper color management can be handled and at least has a much bigger gamut. Sharpening and noise reduction still cannot be turned off, though?

@iphoneographers

Жыл бұрын

That’s not accurate. These are both true logarithmic curves. There are some apps that do what you’re saying though. Understand though, this is not like S Log3 on Sony or C Log on Canon, especially in regards to highlight recovery as you’re limited by the sensor and the DR it captures. But it’s pretty good for a phone. :) Unfortunately though Apple does not let developers bypass the in-camera sharpening or the tone mapping. One day maybe as you can do that on some Android.

@blackburnapps5276

Жыл бұрын

@@DennisSchmitz HLG is scene-referred. The HLG transfer function is 50% Gamma and 50% Log. With C-Log and D-Log, the HLG is converted to a Log transfer function. This reduces the amount of data stored in highlights, increases the amount of data stored in shadows and produces a much more even amount of data storage across the dynamic range (per stop). The benefit is more detail / less noise in shadows (due to less video compression artefacts), and more chroma data is stored in shadows allowing for better color saturation when color grading. Sharpening and noise reduction cannot be turned off unfortunately. This is a limitation in iOS.

all of this looks ass. most androids have better log because apple doesn't lock out their camera API. I can say this with confidence because I daily a 13 mini and when I really want to have a "cinematic" video (with grading etc.), i pull out my LG V50 or Samsung

@iphoneographers

Ай бұрын

Check out Apple Log on a 15 Pro

CINEMA P3 all the way. i give my middle finger to that greedy company filmic .i.