Film Photography - Using a Spotmeter

This video explains the basics of Spotmetering for film photographers.
After a brief examination of a typical Spotmeter I look at how it is used to measure a scene with examples for B&W, Colour Negative and Slide films.
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  • @autisticlife
    @autisticlife4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you this is the first time on 45 years of photography I had the zone system explained in a way I understand. This will help a lot.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Glad you liked it Richard.

  • @andreasfuller3210
    @andreasfuller32102 жыл бұрын

    oh oh oh ....37 years after i startet measuring with any light meter including the selen cell type ones , it was you mr. o´nions, who explained it the right way. thank you so much. i finally got the difference between positive and negative film concerning meetering....now, that i am aware of this - i will try my best to make better positives. i wish you all the best and thank you again for " ...you have to get rid of the highlights..." stay healthy and please continue with these fabulous foto hiking tours.....greeting fron a typical german wandersman...andy

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Andreas.

  • @richardsimms251
    @richardsimms251 Жыл бұрын

    Those recommendations are extremely good ideas ! I use a separate light meter also because I use several different film cameras. One meter seems best. Thank you. RS. Canada

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    Жыл бұрын

    Thanks Richard. Using a single light meter does ensure consistency and promotes good technique.

  • @ghw7192
    @ghw71927 ай бұрын

    My first "spotmeter" was an attachment that went on my Gossen Luna Pro that gave me a choice of a 15 or 30 degree spot. My next meter was a Sekonic L-488 digital spot meter and life got better. A very good video and I am glad that you covered the differences between metering for slide and for print film. For many years, my favorite color film was Kodachrome 25 and it was not forgiving.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    7 ай бұрын

    Thank you.

  • @RoGameReview
    @RoGameReview4 жыл бұрын

    most methodic person I ever seen, at least in the photographic comunity, love this guy

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    🙂

  • @patatenmousse
    @patatenmousse4 жыл бұрын

    You are by far my favorite youtube channel on the matter of film photography, as a beginner it is a pleasure to learn from you experience and expertise. And I am always blown away by the quality both of your photographs and your videos. I don't often comment but I really wanted to thank you for your work.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Gauthier, that’s very kind of you to say.

  • @theowlfromduolingo7982
    @theowlfromduolingo7982 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video. Great pacing, great examples and great length

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    Жыл бұрын

    Thank you 😊

  • @sameerrao5834
    @sameerrao58343 жыл бұрын

    Another brilliant tutorial, the best that I have come across for metering and the zone system. I went looking for a spot meter after seeing your video and discovered that I'd have to sell all my film cameras to buy one!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Sameer, spotmeters have never been cheap sadly.

  • @josephgecho7908
    @josephgecho79084 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Steve for making the video no one else would. It answered quite a few questions.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    I’m glad you liked it Joseph.

  • @janconrad421
    @janconrad4213 жыл бұрын

    Richard took the words right out of my mind. Steve is top shelf among the photo guys. Both talented artist and able teacher. Thanks and greetings from Germany.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Jan, that’s very kind 😊

  • @johnburrow4124
    @johnburrow41243 жыл бұрын

    I have been on a massive binge watching your channel as I just discovered it. This has to be the best explanation of metering and the zone system I have seen on KZread. It answered all of the questions I had as I am about to jump into the film world for the first time soon. Your channel is amazing, and thank you for putting out helpful, insightful, and interesting content.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks John, really glad you found the video useful.

  • @zaha31
    @zaha313 жыл бұрын

    This is such a helpful video. I love every video Mr. O'nions puts out. his work has been extremely helpful as I learn film photography.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Zakary.

  • @beas5963
    @beas59634 жыл бұрын

    Nicely done, as usual. Thanks for delivering on the promise! Can't wait for the in-depth version.

  • @spartakgladyshev5686
    @spartakgladyshev5686 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks, great video. Now everything became clear to me.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad it helped!

  • @richardsimms251
    @richardsimms25128 күн бұрын

    Light meters are wonderful. I use them as I use various cameras

  • @danielrowe308
    @danielrowe308 Жыл бұрын

    This is fantastically helpful. Thank you.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    Жыл бұрын

    Glad it was helpful!

  • @MAKE_PHOTOGRAPHS_ANYWHERE
    @MAKE_PHOTOGRAPHS_ANYWHERE4 жыл бұрын

    Steve nice work. God to see you are bringing back that film art style we left a few years back. Keep save !

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Stafford.

  • @tomg6286
    @tomg62863 жыл бұрын

    Best explanation of using the Zone system and its relationship to the camera setting.

  • @photosbyjosef
    @photosbyjosef4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for yet again another video on the finer details of film photography.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    You’re welcome George.

  • @abelsilvan
    @abelsilvan4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing your knowledge and experience with us once again. Really high quality content. Looking forward for the follow-up video!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Abel.

  • @martinc7074
    @martinc70743 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant, really super helpful and I have watched and read so much on spot metering. Thank you!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad you liked it Martin.

  • @patriciasawas1090
    @patriciasawas10903 жыл бұрын

    Love your channel Steve. Your videos are very informative and very well delivered. This particular video clear demonstrated the use and value of the spot meter for creating the correct exposure. Thanks

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    I’m glad you found it useful Patricia.

  • @nicholasw777
    @nicholasw777 Жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love your videos. So enjoyable to watch and equally informative. It’s really helping me get back into film photography after a long hiatus.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    Жыл бұрын

    Great to hear that Nicholas 🙂

  • @phillipmurray8848
    @phillipmurray88484 жыл бұрын

    An excellent description of a complex subject, brief and concise. Well done Steve and keep safe.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Phillip.

  • @davehanner360
    @davehanner3604 жыл бұрын

    Excellent explanation on spot metering! Super clear and concise.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Dave.

  • @BillMcCarroll
    @BillMcCarroll4 жыл бұрын

    This is great Steve, thanks. I am always questioning my spot metering techniques...this really helps.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Glad you liked it Bill.

  • @arildedvardbasmo490
    @arildedvardbasmo4904 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Steve! Even though I regularly use a spotmeter and shoot slide, I still feel like I learned something just by hearing how you do it. Very nice!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Arild.

  • @pureangeles
    @pureangeles3 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic explanation. Thank you so much

  • @shawnhollbach395
    @shawnhollbach3954 жыл бұрын

    Another great video!

  • @PatAcct
    @PatAcct3 жыл бұрын

    Very solid and good elaboration, appreciate it Steve, keep on with the good effort of your videos

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Patrick 👍

  • @redone2612
    @redone26124 жыл бұрын

    Great video look forward to the in depth video on a particular film stock. Thanks

  • @bobsykes
    @bobsykes4 жыл бұрын

    Excellent! So clear and concise.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Cheers Bob.

  • @ruiz460
    @ruiz460 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent video, Steve. Love the technical information 🙏🏽

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    Жыл бұрын

    You’re welcome 😊

  • @orngpeelr9017
    @orngpeelr90173 жыл бұрын

    This is such an incredibly educational video for a beginner such as myself. Your use of example photos and elaboration on the metering process in the moment was really illuminating (pun slightly intended). Thanks, Steve!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad you liked it 🙂

  • @BarwickGreen
    @BarwickGreen3 жыл бұрын

    I've just bought exactly the same meter for use with my Mamiya C330. Thanks for the helpful tutorial!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad it was useful Rupert.

  • @fabermahieu7316
    @fabermahieu73164 жыл бұрын

    I have just bought myself a spotmeter a couple of days ago. This video has certainly improved my knowledge to use it even better now. looking forward to learn more about specific filmstocks from you!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good timing Faber, you will soon get used to using the meter an wonder how you managed without it.

  • @Mcguppy
    @Mcguppy4 жыл бұрын

    Very nice and clear explanation, just the way I was thought how light metering works. I only shoot digital but that doesn’t make any difference in the way you meter (only more dr than slide film) I have exactly the same Sekonic meter, works a charm.

  • @christostsekas8795
    @christostsekas87954 жыл бұрын

    Excellent presentation and explanation Steve. Well done!!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Christos.

  • @chriswilcockson8595
    @chriswilcockson85953 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this video - it is the singular clearest explanation of how to meter for shadows and get what you want. I have been worried I have been under-exposing my images and, looking at this, I am! I look forward to getting out and tring to be a bit braver with shadows!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad you found it useful Chris. I always remember the quote from Ansel Adams that went was I believe ‘when I got a spot meter my typical exposures went up by one stop’.

  • @waltereaton6404
    @waltereaton64044 жыл бұрын

    Excellent post! Thanks, Steve. Some of this information needs to be known more widely to avoid the disappointments that may go with film photography.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Walter.

  • @HeartagramTroll
    @HeartagramTroll3 жыл бұрын

    Your explanation has been so helpful. I agree more videos on these with the color film would be awesome too. Thank you for your content. It's very inspirational.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! Will do!

  • @lephotographinc
    @lephotographinc Жыл бұрын

    Excellent Video

  • @alanholzmanphoto
    @alanholzmanphoto2 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this video. I found it quite helpful.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad to be of help Alan.

  • @walliswizard
    @walliswizard4 жыл бұрын

    This is superb information Steve, thank you. I'll probably watch this a couple of times and make notes to carry with me. I've not yet attempted to shoot slide film but it's on the list.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Glad it was useful Glenn.

  • @IsraelPrivateGuide
    @IsraelPrivateGuide4 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant video which really helped me understand zone metering. Cheers!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Glad it helped Jacob.

  • @michaelhoffman3674
    @michaelhoffman36743 жыл бұрын

    Steve, Great job. After following the late Richard White and others I was getting fairly competent with the zone system. I followed your strategy and nailed it. You made what I once thought complicated and confusing simply and straight forward. I follow your channel and have gained great knowledge from your work.. Thank you.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Glad you found it useful Michael, it’s a lot easier to do than describe 🙂

  • @mancapodrzaj2893
    @mancapodrzaj28932 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! This was extremely educational for me and I have been shooting for some time now. Professionally explained! :D

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    2 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Manca.

  • @stuleeds6104
    @stuleeds61043 жыл бұрын

    Very well explained!!

  • @user-xn8ci3qm7q
    @user-xn8ci3qm7q3 жыл бұрын

    really helpful , thank you for this video

  • @BillPutnamPhoto
    @BillPutnamPhoto4 жыл бұрын

    Appreciate this tutorial, Steve. Been out shooting with my 4x5 Rangefinder (it's a converted Polaroid 110) and used the two-stops faster method here with my FP4 and HP5. Works out pretty well so far. Will definitely come in handy when I shoot some Rollei RPX 25 with a camera on sticks. Cheers.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Bill, glad your exposures are coming out just fine 👍

  • @tgchism
    @tgchism Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for sharing that with us!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    Жыл бұрын

    You’re welcome 😊

  • @mawavoy
    @mawavoy4 жыл бұрын

    Steve, you go into a lot of detail; but it is very helpful for anyone who has a desire to know what is happening. Thank you!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Michael 🙂

  • 4 жыл бұрын

    Great explanation! took me a long time to find a comprehensive one here

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Glad you liked it Julián.

  • @randybennett6846
    @randybennett68464 жыл бұрын

    Excellent spotmeter discussion with examples; really enjoyed the color positive aspect because I do not us; still clinging to my Pentax Spotmeter V (analog) w/ Zone VI studio scale for the last 35 years... as always great job Steve!!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Randy, those original Pentax models have given so much service over the years.

  • @claudioabado3317
    @claudioabado33173 жыл бұрын

    Thank you so much for taking the time to explain

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    You’re welcome Claudio.

  • @raybeaumont7670
    @raybeaumont76704 жыл бұрын

    Hi Steve - excellent explanation as always. I've used my Pentax Spotmeter for years with B&W negatives of all formats from 35mm to 4x5". For slides (Provia) I always use 35mm in my F4S and am happy with the exposures I get from the TTL set to "partial spot".

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Ray. I’ve also had very good slides from my Nikon’s using their inbuilt meters. The F80 is nearly always spot on.

  • @alanwilliams9842
    @alanwilliams98424 жыл бұрын

    An excellent lesson, thanks for doing it.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank Alan.

  • @LarryManiccia
    @LarryManiccia4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the comprehensive, yet brief run through your process for metering Steve. I have pulled my fathers old 35 mm film camera out of the closet and am thinking of giving it a go with either HP5 + or Kodak Tri-X 400 film.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Larry and I hope you manage to get out with the camera soon.

  • @trailimagesphotography6635
    @trailimagesphotography66354 жыл бұрын

    Steve, an excellent outline on the use of the Sekonic and spot metering in general. As a reversal film only user I do use the highs and lows averaged in most cases. I also carry a gray small folding disk as a second look if the light is fairly consistent throughout. Usually pre-dawn images. I've used a spot meter for years and it pushed my keeper count up tremendously with regard to exposure issues. I use the Sekonic 758 these days and found that reversing the default settings of the thumb(read) & forefinger (store) buttons much more to my liking. All programmable of course in the unit on reversing the usage of those items.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    I’ve looked at the later spot meters and really like some of the new features, when my 508 dies I’ll probably get one. I also find that in flat lighting an average meter reading is fine for reversal film and if I have one of my Nikon’s I’ll rely on the internal meter.

  • @christopherhowell3209
    @christopherhowell32094 жыл бұрын

    As usual Steve,...very much enjoyed!..take care.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Christopher.

  • @MrJollybox
    @MrJollybox Жыл бұрын

    To make things even 'easier' use Ralph Lambrechts exposure 'wheel'. Page 258-259 in his collaboration book with Chris Woodhouse "Way Beyond Monochrome". I have been using this for about 20 years (my book copy is c2003). I have not had a missed exposure since. What I really love from this post is the differences between negs and slides and metering as such. Steve, you are an inspiration. Brett Weston Q "Photography is 90% sheer, brutal drudgery. The other 10% is inspiration" ..

  • @sednasix6608
    @sednasix66083 жыл бұрын

    Earned a sub from me for explaining this so well!

  • @terrywbreedlove
    @terrywbreedlove4 жыл бұрын

    When I learned that my spot meter was giving me a reading that turned everything a medium grey. It made getting a good exposure really very simple. For example meter snow and the meter will give you a reading that will turn it medium grey . So open up a couple stops maybe more and get the white you know the snow actually is. Same with shadow areas except you will stop down from the reading to get the deep shadows captured the way they are. I also have a 18% grey card with me when i am shooting close subjects such as fern or flowers etc. Set the card near the subject take a spot reading off the card and this time you do use the reading as is for a perfect exposure.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    I should also carry an 18% grey card Terry as sometimes it would simplify the process.

  • @NarcissismSurvivor

    @NarcissismSurvivor

    2 жыл бұрын

    Why would you leave the metered reading alone? If you were in close photographing a white flower wouldn’t leaving the actual reading as your exposure give you a gray flower?

  • @terrywbreedlove

    @terrywbreedlove

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@NarcissismSurvivor Not when metering off the grey card. Put the Card in the same light as the flower and meter off it for the correct exposure. No adjustment needed.

  • @Nat.ImagesLarge.F.Photographer
    @Nat.ImagesLarge.F.Photographer3 жыл бұрын

    Many thanks, excellent video and helpful!!!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you 😊

  • @poniatowski3547
    @poniatowski35474 жыл бұрын

    great informative video thank you

  • @ridealongwithrandy
    @ridealongwithrandy3 жыл бұрын

    Awesome vid! I just recently got back into film, I grew up in photography in the 70s. I have a Nikon F4, Olympus OM-2SP, and a Minolta XD-11 ( was my first film camera in the 70s). I just won on eBay a Minolta Autocord. I need to get back to metering and your video has helped my bunches!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Sounds great!

  • @roiloubia4483

    @roiloubia4483

    2 жыл бұрын

    Wow 😲😲 Four (4) cameras, how many rolls of film do you have? Sorry, but I couldn't help it😉😉.

  • @johnhoughton7794
    @johnhoughton77944 жыл бұрын

    Nice one Steve, Just got my minolta spotmeter F still works after many years.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Another fine piece of equipment John 👍

  • @andrewfrost8866
    @andrewfrost88664 жыл бұрын

    A very interesting and informative presentation!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Andrew.

  • @brianmccutcheon3205
    @brianmccutcheon32054 жыл бұрын

    Thank you, explained very well

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank Brian.

  • @GonzoTheRosarian
    @GonzoTheRosarian2 жыл бұрын

    Very helpful!!!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    2 жыл бұрын

    Glad it was useful Laura.

  • @Nat.ImagesLarge.F.Photographer
    @Nat.ImagesLarge.F.Photographer3 жыл бұрын

    Great video, well done explanation,many thanks!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Nat.

  • @Nat.ImagesLarge.F.Photographer

    @Nat.ImagesLarge.F.Photographer

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@SteveONions have a great Sunday,stay safe!

  • @trondsi
    @trondsi4 жыл бұрын

    Very useful info. Thanks! I will try to think in terms of zones. Now, some people I think have a different philosophy on the slide film part. Sometimes shadows can be nearly black and it's fine, but I often feel that blown highlights ruin the image more often than too dark shadows. Maybe this is from my frustration early on with getting images back from the lab that were washed out, or maybe I just like mysterious darks. There are always exceptions of course.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    I’m the same. I can live with a solid shadow area but and substantial area of pure white kills an image for me.

  • @neilfoddering921
    @neilfoddering9213 жыл бұрын

    Very interesting and helpful Steve! I’m still getting my head around the Zone System, and have only recently started to use a Pentax V spotmeter. You’ve given me a better understanding, for which I’m grateful. Incidentally, I’ve also recently shot my first-ever roll of slide film (Kodak Ektachrome), using my recently-acquired Nikon FA, and only one of the 36 shots was poorly exposed. I really like the look of this film, and the FA’s matrix meter seems to be very effective.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Neil. I think the FA was the first camera to have matrix metering and it improved on Nikon's already effective centre weighted mode. I should try Ektachrome, I have a liking for neutral films and it might fit the bill.

  • @neilfoddering921

    @neilfoddering921

    3 жыл бұрын

    Steve O'Nions It’s also 3/4 the price of Velvia. If you want to see some of the test shots I took, my Instagram ID is shortstroke596.

  • @runninblue9415
    @runninblue94154 жыл бұрын

    Am gonna have to re-watch this a few times. Never found it easy. Knowing the 9 stop gradient seems to be key. I think!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    It took me some time too, easier to do than explain 🙂

  • @manuelgoncalves5853
    @manuelgoncalves58533 жыл бұрын

    Thanks a lot for this video. Very simple explanation that anyone can understand. Keep up with the good work you do.

  • @davidkjelkerud
    @davidkjelkerud3 жыл бұрын

    Great video as always! Learnt a lot. Would love to see a video about using slide film + spot metering + grad filters to control a scene with big dr. I've found it challenging to accurately place grads using the waist level finder on my medium format camera. Would be curious to learn from your process!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Great suggestion for a future video David.

  • @FourIntoOne
    @FourIntoOne4 жыл бұрын

    Nicely done Steve, thanks for sharing. Get it right 'in camera" is my motto, less to fix (if at all) later in post. Although I must admit there is a certain lazy joy in occasionally using digital where you can chimp like crazy to get the exposure right!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Marc 🙂

  • @jpdj2715
    @jpdj27154 жыл бұрын

    Exposure spot on with spot meter. The neg for shade and pos for highlights approach is fine. My Sekonic 758 can be used to calibrate a film or a camera. This makes dynamic range explicitly visible in the user interface (an app is used as tool). Finding the darkest point in your image, then the brightest, places both measurements on the display and suggests the optimal exposure. Here the photographer decides what to do when subject dynamic range is larger than film/camera dynamic range: all highlights, all lowlights or a piece of both. So, we can simplify and focus our metering as explained, or work with dynamic ranges. We ought not call this light metering, though, as we meter the subject ... Personally, I still use (incident) light metering most. That is, now my new digital camera can meter for the highlights and I love this a lot, so the meter is using batteries for standby ... Or flash metering in the studio. Be aware that a discrete meter does not know your lens's T stop and you have to compensate differently for each lens, potentially. In pos film you may underexpose a bit and not notice you lost something. In neg film, you lose critical shadow details. With cameras metering through the lens (TTL) the T stop got forgotten, but with the discrete meter we need the awareness. And when you develop/process your own film, make this part of your meter/film calibration runs. By the way, with leaf shutters in exchangeable lenses, run a calibration of the shutters, say once a year (test shots of gray scales in controlled light). After all, you got here because you want perfect exposure and maximum utilization of dynamic range. When you digitally scan your work, you can benefit from image processing software that can make the shoulders of the film's density as function of log I*t curve suitable for use, which they weren't in the old days. And check out the effects of opening as 32-bits to high and low details.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    As I predominantly shoot negative materials and err on the side of extra exposure I can largely ignore the variations of shutter and aperture that can indeed ruin a slide image. Processing is very important for B&W but I chose not to include it here as it's a whole set of videos in its own right!

  • @martinmonk9504
    @martinmonk95044 жыл бұрын

    Hey Steve, great as always! Just wished to have a little bit of information on the using the dome on the Sekonic for measuring.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    I’ll do an incident metering video one day Martin.

  • @johnblunt1834
    @johnblunt18344 жыл бұрын

    Just had a little go in the garden with my meter. Not enough dark stuff round the house really, but even so it worked and is very useful........Now to find the dynamic range of my digital camera.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    You'll probably have a lot of lot of range with a modern camera John, you can treat the shadows with impunity and still get plenty of detail in there.

  • @aengusmacnaughton1375
    @aengusmacnaughton13754 жыл бұрын

    OK! You've convinced me! Now the challenge -- an affordable one!!!!! :-) Thanks Steve!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good luck !!

  • @grahamfield6173
    @grahamfield61733 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    You’re welcome Graham.

  • @northof-62
    @northof-624 жыл бұрын

    My Pentax Spotmeter V has a genial scale that works perfectly with two-spot metering. Never missed a slide.

  • @grahamrichards8531

    @grahamrichards8531

    4 жыл бұрын

    Recently bought the same model - couldn't afford the digital model. Also useful with an 18% gray card for incident light on the subject. The rotary scale is perfect for converting the EV value to a camera setting.

  • @GTXTi-db5xu
    @GTXTi-db5xu11 ай бұрын

    brilliant

  • @JamesBellLandscapePhotography
    @JamesBellLandscapePhotography4 жыл бұрын

    Nice one Steve.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Cheers James.

  • @protestagain
    @protestagain4 жыл бұрын

    Back in those days, about 40 years ago, I shoot mostly slides with my OM-2 for private use. Mostly with Kodachrome 25 and Velvia 50. Can't remember once that I missed the metering. Now I have even better metering system, in my "new" OM-3Ti. But I'm agree that I need a good spotmeter for my MF and LF camera. Thank's for explaining. By the way, I had a very good color meter, what I sold for a good penny.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    I also got pretty good at metering with my Nikon’s but the lack of a decent (or any) medium/large format inbuilt metering makes a separate one invaluable.

  • @bfs5113

    @bfs5113

    4 жыл бұрын

    In addition to my digital Sekonic color meter, I still have my old Gossen Sixticolor color meter. 😊

  • @Kref3
    @Kref3 Жыл бұрын

    I use the same Sekonic 508 and really like it, but I must say: If the scene is not very constrasty, I use it in ambient light meter mode and usually have no bad results. If the scene is contrasty though, the spotmeter is the best method of metering. For small format I use an Olympus OM-4 quite often and when I use this camera, I do not take an external meter, since this funny little thing has an inbuilt spotmeter. Not the tightest 1° spot, but the split screen in the center is the measuring spot, so it is TTL and tight enough. The best reason to love the little thing. With slide - difficult. I love Provia 100 (Velvia is a bit too much color for my liking). But I only use it with my 6x6 SLR and quite often I use neutral grad filters. In gerneral I think I will stop shooting slide once the current stock in the freezer is gone and use Ektar 100 and Portra 160 exclusively in the future.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    Жыл бұрын

    Spot metering is probably overkill for low contrast scenes shot with negative film, it’s hard to get the reading wrong! I’ve sometimes used the incident meter for colour slide and it works very well. I’ve never used the spot meter in my later film cameras, I prefer the matrix options.

  • @davidellinsworth22
    @davidellinsworth222 жыл бұрын

    I'm trying the zonal system when I go out to shoot portraits on Provia 100F later this month. I don't have a handheld light meter so I will use the spot meter on my Nikon Z6 (I'm shooting digital that day as well as slide film) in aperture priority with the ISO fixed at 100. I get the feeling the bright skin tones I'll need to place somewhere from zone 6-7 (I've learned that the exposure ceiling of Provia is around +2EV). I may bracket +1, +1.5 and +2EV and hopefully learn where this magic EV number is (although I expect this will change in different weather conditions - maybe zone 6 in overcast/flat conditions and closer to 7 in bright conditions). Wish me luck

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    2 жыл бұрын

    Hope it goes well Dave, Provia is more forgiving than a lot of other slide films.

  • @TL-xw6fh
    @TL-xw6fh4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Steve for this blog. Brings back memories of when I used to shoot film. Nowadays, I simply use ETTR to make sure highlights are retained and manipulate the image in post for the shadows. Digital sensors are so.much better in dynamic range that we have all forgotten about the need to carefully consider exposure settings.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    I also use ETTR with digital cameras and have no problem with shadow detail, works very well indeed.

  • @jameslane3846

    @jameslane3846

    4 жыл бұрын

    You haven't tried Portra 400 then!

  • @michaelbailey1578
    @michaelbailey15783 жыл бұрын

    I still use a Pentax spot meter I bought in 1972. It works like a charm, except for the complete lack of memory and calculating devices found in more modern digital models . My own memory is 73 years old and a digital assist would be nice. Thanks Steve, you do good work. By the way, I think I learned almost everything I know about b&w film photography from Ansel Adams' The Negative. It is old but for me it has been a bible.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Thanks Michael, you’ve have more than a fair return on your investment I think 👍

  • @valueforvalue76

    @valueforvalue76

    2 жыл бұрын

    If you have a smartphone, there are pretty good exposure metering apps available.

  • @michaelbailey1578

    @michaelbailey1578

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@valueforvalue76 Alas I don't use a smartphone, I'm a true Luddite I guess. Thank you for you for suggestion though.

  • @valueforvalue76

    @valueforvalue76

    2 жыл бұрын

    @@michaelbailey1578 Nothing wrong with that, I'm sure we'd all get more accomplished if we did not carry smartphones.

  • @HDChrisSweet
    @HDChrisSweet3 жыл бұрын

    Very helpful, thanks. Im off to try and find a spotmeter lol

  • @cdl0
    @cdl04 жыл бұрын

    *Good video:* One exception I can think of is snow scenes, where the right exposure may be two or three stops above the average value over the whole view. Thus, you need to expose for the objects of interest, and disregard the snow itself, most of which will be grossly overexposed, and totally white. Nobody likes grey snow! :-) I hope we can see a video on this channel about how, when, and why to an incident light meter.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    Good point about the snow 👍. I’ll do an incident video one day. 🙂

  • @tspinks
    @tspinks2 жыл бұрын

    Hi Steve, thanks for such an instructive and useful video on spotmetering so helpful especially concerning the latitude of different film stock (I learned a lot). I have a Minolta Spotmeter F and love it as I try to apply the zone system - as you say it enables metering from such small area of the scene that you cannot get close to. Quick question how do you factor in for filters do you just add the necessary number of stops to the shutter duration (I was wondering why you don't use the exposure compensation dial) thanks Tony

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    2 жыл бұрын

    Good question Tony. I work out the exposure without the filter then add that in, effectively lengthening the shutter speed. I the. Apply any other factors such as reciprocity failure or bellows extension for large format.

  • @JulesMoyaert_photo
    @JulesMoyaert_photo Жыл бұрын

    👍👍👍

  • @Adrian-wd4rn
    @Adrian-wd4rn2 жыл бұрын

    A better example would be metering for a sky AND land with slide film. That's the trickiest of them all. For anyone wondering, meter shadow, place to zone 3, meter around, if everything is within 4 stops, you're good, move onto metering for sky, see how high the meter is reading for the sky against the ground, and then against the shadow in zone 3. If it's 2-4 stops OVER the ground + however many stops that ground is compared to shadow, (ground is 3 stops brighter than shadow area, and sky is 3 stops over THAT, it's a total of 6 stops difference), grab your GND filters, add a 6 stop filter and take your exposure. if i have provia or e100, I'll get a 5 stop GND so the sky is one stop lighter than the ground, but still within the 5-7 stop dynamic range of those two films.

  • @2010craggy
    @2010craggy4 жыл бұрын

    I do need to get a spot meter, they certainly aren’t exactly cheap though! For now I’ll solder on with my trusty Sekonic L358

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    I used to have one of those meters, very compact and light 👍

  • @leonardmilcin7798
    @leonardmilcin77982 жыл бұрын

    I would add explanation of basic reason of using the system which is to fit the scene within dynamic range of the film (or sensor). People instinctively try to meter for the photo to get certain result "out of the box" (like a digital camera that may want to detect a face and set exposure for the face the highlights and shadows be damned) the point of the system is to make sure no important details are lost or if there is no way to prevent that, to be able to make a conscious decision about where you want to compromise, whether your highlights or shadows are more important (or wait until conditions are better). The exposure can be corrected once it is developed and scanned but if you loose details it is gone forever.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    2 жыл бұрын

    I certainly consider what I want from the image before deciding how to use the spot meter Leonard. I’m always surprised by how much more exposure I use when spotmetering for negative materials, I recall Ansel Adams remarking on this in one of his books too.

  • @natek2591
    @natek25914 жыл бұрын

    what an informative video. on both spot metering and the zone system. thank you! i have a sekonic 308 meter, which is not a spot meter. Can you recommend a "budget friendly" spot meter? thank you!

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    4 жыл бұрын

    There’s not really a cheap option these days Nate, my Seconic L-508 is definitely one of the most affordable.

  • @Grahamplaysgo
    @Grahamplaysgo3 жыл бұрын

    I was really happy to find your site. I have a question about metering. When you get a fractional stop such as f 22.8 and you can't actually set that on your camera do you round up to the next stop or back down to f 22.

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    3 жыл бұрын

    Good question Graham. If I’m shouting negative film I always allow any extra exposure by using the larger fstop. So if it reads 1/15@f/11.6 I’d go for f/11. With slide film I’d avoid the overexposure so probably go the other way but it does depend on where you choose to meter so it’s never going to be exact.

  • @stevef2114
    @stevef2114Ай бұрын

    nice vid... actually velvia has a DR of around 6-7 stops with drum scanning :)

  • @SteveONions

    @SteveONions

    Ай бұрын

    Oh yes, not so easy to get into the shadows with conventional scanners 🙂