At about 30 minutes in, Max is referring to some VF style game for the Saturn with a roster including a Japanese salaryman and a housewife, but cannot remember the name. He is most likely referring to Anarchy In The Nippon

@triplek.o.2192

Жыл бұрын

That's the one!

@bushipop

Жыл бұрын

@@triplek.o.2192 hi max!?

@fakeigniz13

Жыл бұрын

It was made by a team lead by top VF players iirc.

Tekken 4 could've quite easily been the Third Strike of the franchise had they released a version of the game where the gameplay was far more polished. The art style and music sets it apart from every other game in Tekken history with its 2000s, Japanese city, modern aesthetic. Similar to how Third Strike is the only Street Fighter that captured that 90s, urban, street aesthetic.

@sheriffdraws8789

Жыл бұрын

I really wish they'd go back to that style

@Lord_Heisenberg

Жыл бұрын

I am a casual and that's why i'll give myself a pass when i say T4 is my favorite fighting game ever just because of the nostalgia for everything, the style, hud, stages, soundtrack, even character designs.. but yeah i see now why the gameplay and mechanics are kinda weird.

@ikagura

Жыл бұрын

I love the y2k feel of this episode.

@Itsric_0

Жыл бұрын

Tekken 4 is still to this day one of my favorites in the series

@Lektuerekurs

11 ай бұрын

Tekken 4 was my favourite. It was more 'realistic' fighting moves, also being able to move adound before the round starts was killer

Max’s face during the Manscape promo! 😂

@RyuShinkuuHadoken

Жыл бұрын

the amount of puns is ridiculous , I don't know how he keeps a straight face.

I don't think there's a greater misstep to me in a fighting games than Playstation All Stars Battle Royale where in order to earn points, you need to hit someone with your super. It makes gameplay feels so much less satisfying when it came to doing combos or making good recovery; all that matters is you nail one move. And depending on who you play, whoever had the best execution move or could hit the most amount of people with their level 3, had an automatic advantage. Neat things there, but just an idea that totally hurt the brawler genre.

@mappybc6097

Жыл бұрын

In order for a game to be considered a misstep, there has to be a previous game in the same franchise that was actually better.

@maxspecs

Жыл бұрын

The Golden Bolt’s has a great video on every misstep that game made.

@dedmin6119

Жыл бұрын

@@mappybc6097does the previous game being ssb count 😂

That video on the atmosphere of T4 was by TheGamingBrit, and a lot of Europeans don’t mind the speed of T4 as much cause they grew up on the slower PAL ps1 games

@baeblade8645

Жыл бұрын

@@tigrisrgn4062 I just mean that the overall slower feel of 4 wasn’t as drastic of a change as it was for us over here due to tekken always having been somewhat slower for them. I’m from North America so I’m really just relaying the info from somewhere else cause I thought it was interesting

Matt’s mic volume is always much quieter when compared to Max and Justin. Even when I’m using headphones listening podcast style. So with my volume selection I choose to either have Justin and Max screaming in my ear, or barely hearing Matt while he whispers at me softly. Well, now I’m laughing imaging Max and Justin yelling at me while Matt softly whispers in my ear. Lol 😂

@SPACECOWBOY705

Жыл бұрын

Wildest foursome ever

@kevinmatta9262

13 күн бұрын

Podcast style? Jesus christ that's lame.

Fun fact about Tekken 4 is that there's an unused voice line of the announcer saying Jinpachi. So he could've already been thought of as a boss before they had to settle on poopy diapers.

@thoughtfulfoulmouth

Жыл бұрын

Yup! Voicelines for the whole TTT1 cast if i'm not mistaken and even Dr.Abel (unused character names too). Harada has said the game was supposed to have a bigger roster but they were too time constrained

My only complaint with Tekken 4 was its small-ish roster. LOVED the soundtrack, especially the night rooftop's stage theme ("Authentic Sky").

@therush420

Жыл бұрын

Airport too (Touch and Go)

@KurstKensei

Жыл бұрын

Airport and the Beach dude

@anthonypimentel7218

Жыл бұрын

@@KurstKensei Hell yes those two themes are my fave in that game!

I still got love for Tekken 4, fundoshi Heihachi and all.

@Dic_Justice69

Жыл бұрын

Cursed Heihachi

@joshshrum2764

Жыл бұрын

Plus it brought back kazuza, so his pops being in that doesn’t really need to be a negative lol.

The Tekken 4 video Matt mentions in this episode was done by GamingBrit. 👍

14:30 I remember getting scared of Quan Chi's face staring at me as a toddler.

Tekken 4 gave us Paul's permed hair and introduced Steve Fox. It is the best Tekken to me. Also it has a cult following.

Surprised they didn't bring up Soulcalibur Lost Swords (and Tekken Revolution to a lesser extent), but maybe they'd classify those as "experiments" rather than missteps.

I really liked Tekken 4, adding the 8 way run from Soul Calibur opened up so much mobility for me. Didn't have a problem with working with the terrain issues but I was also playing a lot of DOA 2 and DAO 3 which was similar to that gameplay style too. I'd say the stage design was a bigger detractor rather than the movement system, wouldn't complain if it came back, Soul Calibur has been just fine with 8 way run but they've never added uneven terrain to the franchise either.

@Retrobitchass

Жыл бұрын

Over hated definitely i think the worst part is the lack of characters

@battlion507

Жыл бұрын

That and the return of TEKKEN FORCE.

Vanilla MK3 was also on SNES. I remember Aladdin's Castle in OKC getting an MK3 cab, and it was the only arcade that had it. The Tilt at our mall got UMK3 shortly after, though.

@MARSandtheGang

Жыл бұрын

Had an Aladdin's castle in Mississippi as well. Had no idea it was a national chain

Tekken 4 is a masterpiece, it’s main issue is it was WAY ahead of its time (testament to this is how fondly its looked upon now) and issues stemming from a competitive pov. It was one real update away from being perfect.

JUMP FORCE that’s the first thing I thought of when they brought up the topic!

As a kid and a casual I loved Tekken 4.

Please don't forget the promised fg art episode of Triple K.O.!! It would be amazing! ❤

I’d love to see a video of you guys talking about your favorite supers in games

@joshshrum2764

Жыл бұрын

Ex moves too.

Man I also bought MK3 longbox at a store a couple years ago simply because "YALL HAVE THIS?" $20 well spent I played the hell out of it that week I DID have the Genesis version when that came out, and that's the MK3 I played for years

Dead or Alive is my favorite series, and I was hoping 6 would get called out. I, like many others, got extra slighted with the removal of tag. They made too many bad calls and I couldn't anymore. I'll play 4, 2U, and 5 and keep it going.

@joseph0098

Жыл бұрын

I get your feeling. I also adore DOA and I'm shocked it wasn't mentioned since DOA6 is very infamous...

@pal1890

Жыл бұрын

they did mention it at the end though?

@megamawile8540

Жыл бұрын

@@pal1890 Yeah, and I was hoping for that

@joseph0098

Жыл бұрын

I just finished the episode, they did mentioned it at the end. Not surprising considering DOA6 infamy but still surprised that DOA got a spot

@SuperArt7

Жыл бұрын

@@joseph0098 Tekken 4 tried to emulate DOA2 with the open arenas and it failed. I love Tekken 4 but the full 3D environment didn't work. DOA2 took that idea from VF3 and made it better and has improved upon it every game afterwards

Somehow I completely blocked tripping in Brawl as a thing when I played it. I wasn't aware of the tripping mechanic in Brawl until Smash Wii U came out and others said "I'm glad they took out tripping." I knew about tripping from Diddy's bananas, so I thought they meant that, but then someone explained to me it was a random element. So I thought "huh... well I enjoyed Brawl."

17:30 Armageddon's only real issue is limited time. It was a third MK game released yearly and was meant to be the end of MK, Midway was going down. It was always meant to be an asset dump, basically Tilogy 2 and stuff like fatalities got cut for time. Konquest was still okay and kreate-a-fighter is still super fun even to this day and you just know it will never return. 52:02 It also introduced Mecha Zangief.

I agree with the MSHvsSF section now that I'm older. But when I was younger, that "Are you ready true believers!!!!!!" line had me blindly invested.

SFEX3 was a decent enough game, but it had the misfortune of releasing after Soul Calibur and Dead or Alive 2, and at the same time as TTT PS2 (not to mention Third Strike, Garou and MvC2 for 2D fans), so there really wasn't an audience for it and the graphics were really rough compared to those other 3D games.

@christoferprestipino7433

Жыл бұрын

EX3 is a masterpiece, it’s tag mechanics made TTT look like child’s play.

@rikib3652

Жыл бұрын

I love that game and look back at it fondly.

I love Tekken 4's grounded tone. I applaud the fact that they grounded a series that has literal ogres. Love it!

@kevinmatta9262

15 күн бұрын

Lame

40:40 found it Max: goiken muyou anarchy in the nippon. There's footage on KZread. I never heard of this game

@primalrage6873

Жыл бұрын

and part 2 goiken muyou II is on the psx

SF3 honestly might be the misstep that had the longest hold over a FG franchise. Like that game happens, everyone hates on it for being different and then SF4 and SF5 wallow in its own nostalgia ridden waters of SF2 neverland to win back the older fans favor. Nothing changes, all the “legacy” characters keep showing up and SF3 stuff eats shit (mostly I know we’ve had some dlc appearances). Even with SF6 approaching and finally injecting the series with the swagger and energy of SF3 and progressing the story, WERE NOT GETTING A SINGLE SF3 CHARACTER on the default roster or potentially the first waves of DLC. Like the scars run that deep and it makes me sad that this is how the real life timeline turned out.

@DayFul

Жыл бұрын

I'm hoping the devs throw a curveball at EVO everyone knows the leaked DLC but it's only 4 characters where the SF5 DLC was usually 6. They could do a trailer for one of the leaked DLC characters and follow up with Dudley and Makoto the crowd would go nuts.

SFEX3 was a launch PS2 game next to Tekken Tag Tournament. That alone made the game DOA.

@DrEarthwormRobotnik

Жыл бұрын

And if Tekken Tag didn't do that game in, you also had Dead or Alive 2: Hardcore as another launch title as well

@ZeniusFox

Жыл бұрын

@@DrEarthwormRobotnikI totally forgot about DOA2: Hardcore.

@DrEarthwormRobotnik

Жыл бұрын

@@ZeniusFox In all fairness, it got an even better Xbox port years later, so even I forget it even exists as well

Justin's song during the Manscaped Promo... Just about ended me. Xmas number1 single of 2022.

Tekken 4 felt like the ground or street level version of tekken. You got jins redesign and pauls look. Darker. Heck the mosh pit level and surrounded by normal people cheering two dudes beating the shit out of each other. Dorya king returns, and everything feels like its falling apart. Seeing it for the first time in arcade as a kid was oppressive and amazing.

They mic volumes are usually very balanced on this podcast, Matts volume was very low this time though.

@TotallyABotanist

Жыл бұрын

J. Wong is loud, Matt is quiet, and Max is normal. Weird, it's definitely not normally like that.

@twistedgambit9084

Жыл бұрын

It's probably a steaming thing where their acoustics are different.

I remember going from World Warrior to Super SFII as a kid on the family's SNES, and obviously since missing Turbo I found the game great. Bring back the Tournament Mode!

A good follow up to this topic I think would be fighting game advertising and trailers like the Blood storm Johnny Cage, the SFxT trailers and the KoF All Stars WWE crossover trailers

Ex3 was a great game that people didn't give a lot of credit for. At the time it was released, it was part of PS2 launch titles and it was competing with Tekken Tag. Two Tag games and EX3 tag system wasn't fluid as Tekken Tag. Tekken Tag looked gorgeous on the PS2, that it looks even better then the Arcade Version. This was like the first time a home port console was better than the arcade version.

I went form world warrior directly to super so for me that upgrade was great! I live in Sweden and all I had in stores was world warrior, I had to import Super from Japan. I couldn’t find Turbo or Hyper Fighting anywhere.

Great thumbnail and title.

I can´t believe how Justin and Matt can make every Manscape AD a highlight of each episode, you guys have mastered the art of enyojable advertisement.

I remember my old man grabbed Midway Arcade Treasures 2 way back in the day at launch, and for some stupid ass reason, they didn't have Ultimate MK3 and had only Vanilla.

I was shocked to hear the slander against Injustice 2. That game is my 3rd favorite fighting game of all time.

I keep hearing "Put a quarter in, asshole," in Quan Chi's deep, emotionless voice. So perfect.

Great episode, love how the last pick for misstep was the game were people literally misstep and trip all the time

I'm gonna say towers are the only thing I did in injustice 2. As someone almost entirely played the non online casual part. Gear in injustice 2 and towers and legendary gear is why i love that game the true mistake was making the extra special moved gear pieces. Had it been like mk11 it would have been great.

I personally was perfectly happy not having the turbo speed in Super SF2, as I absolutely hated (and still do) trying to play it at top speed, but I realize I'm no longer the target audience for the speed, at that point, and that the OPTION for those who LIKE it would've been nice.

Max!!! You're killing me!! That manscape segments hilarious if you look at max. If we could only read his thoughts there I'd probably be crying.

Another great episode. Any change you'd do the topic of "Greatest FG Rivals"? i.e. Ryu Ken, Scorpion Sub-Zero, Kyo Iori?

It's funny cause MK3 and ST were the first games of those series, and the first fighting games, I ever played so I loved them. Then I played MK2 and UMK3 and discovered Scorpion and realized I definitely was missing out haha

This might be the Best Intro on KZread. By Miles

Funny enough I would say Tekken 6 was more of a misstep then Tekken 4.

As a kid I didn't mind the "missing characters" of MK3. Granted at the time I liked MK as a game and not focused on specific characters. As for MK11, while I did stop playing it due to the whole "Yeah we had our guys look at videos and photos of the dead and dying" thing, I did have more interest in that than MKX. All the stuff MKX had, I never even went and played it, just looked at the story. But MK11 caught my attention.

iirc you could actually change the speed on the SNES version of SSF2. If you press left or right on the title screen, you can choose between 1 or 3 stars, 1 bring slowest and 3 being fastest. At least that's what I remember. Am I crazy?

@DrEarthwormRobotnik

Жыл бұрын

You could.

Interestingly with Max saying he can't recall seeing MK3 in arcades, I'm not sure I ever saw a UMK3 cabinet, just MK3 cabinets that were upgraded with the new marquee but the same Sindel/Kahn image on the sides. And recently I saw a machine that was UMK3, but the side panels of MK1 with Daniel Pasina. I'm sure it would have kept the MK2 control board if it didn't need the run button.

Man that manscaped ad was great!

The matt mcmuscles ad read is unmatched

23:56 Pokémon Scarlet and Violet is the Virtua Fighter 3 of Pokémon.

@COBOL

Жыл бұрын

More like the first PS2 version of VF4. Great gameplay, rushed graphics.

I still go back to MKX every now and again because it's so fun. I have very little drive to return to MK11, and I played about 1000 hours of it. I really hope MK12 ups the aggression.

Video about Tekken 4 atmosphere was done by Charlie - TheGamingBritShow. He is not into fighting games but he is a massive DMC fan and has pretty good take on games.

The ex series went crazy and had definitely one of the harder street fighter soundtracks around.

Nice episode guys. The only thing I would say is Matt needs to turn up his mic. ✌😎👍

39:32 Same, I too now desperately NEED a fighting game where I can play a salaryman who beats up dinosaurs with a briefcase.

@SuperArt7

Жыл бұрын

I can't fuckin remember the name either but it does exist and it's based more on the Last Bronx and VF2 engine

@anangelssos

Жыл бұрын

Anarchy in the Nippon 😉 not a troll, I'm 99% sure that's what they are talking about.

Gotta say, KOF wise I was expecting 2001 to be mentioned rather KOF 96 and 99 of all titles. This may just be me, but 99 was dope dude. Personally I find 96 and 97 comparably even as they both had their issues gameplay wise. It’s kinda funny that SSFII was the first title mentioned, as that’s what got me into Fighting Games in the first place. XD Also, as for Missteps regarding story in Fighters, the two big ones for me are Tekken 6 and MK11. And DOA6 considering Honoka, who even if we get a Reboot, won’t vanish due to her popularity in Japan.

@thoughtfulfoulmouth

Жыл бұрын

Yeah 96 really set the groundwork for KOF moving forward (running and general rushdown)

Great episode!

44:10 every fine, fancy and expensive ass wine needs years of aging to become an fine, fancy and expensive ass wine

A miss step you guys might have missed is CVS2 EO. Like you guys say, it's not a bad game. But the changes they made were really not accepted, especially by the competitive scene. Came out about a full year later, on weird consoles like GC. Took out, not only RC, but any glitch that was fun

Tekken 4 and SoulCalibur III I absolutely love, and I even love SoulCalibur V. But Dead or Alive 6... Oof. However, I don't think they have to reboot it. Once you figure out how the story mode works you can make sense of the story. Is it perfect? No, but it does end with a cliffhanger so I would personally like to see where the story goes from there. Mortal Kombat and SoulCalibur had to reboot because they wrote themselves in a corner and had to find a way to continue the story. DOA's story did not reach a dead end so they can continue. They just need to make a fun game and keep their predatory DLC practices in check. That's all.

A couple episodes away from the last? Did I miss something? Does max mean for the year or are they going to be done with the show?

@Kinshinobi

Жыл бұрын

I'm curious about this too! Need INFORMATION!!!

@King-K-Club

Жыл бұрын

I think he meant a couple weeks since their last episode. I could be wrong but I think he just said it in an odd way. If they were ending it, I feel like Matt would have said so already cause he promotes the show a lot.

Around 6 mins in and I don't understand. Do they don't realise Super SFII HAD the option to speed things up? At least the SNES version.

Did max just say that there's only gonna be few more episodes?

@COBOL

Жыл бұрын

What? When?

@paulschwan9104

Жыл бұрын

@@COBOL at the beggining of this episode. But hopefully I was just misunderstanding

@triplek.o.2192

Жыл бұрын

One of the last episodes of the year.

@paulschwan9104

Жыл бұрын

@@triplek.o.2192 so there's gonna be more next year?

@Rydouu

Жыл бұрын

@@triplek.o.2192 thanks for clarifying, I was worried I'd have to find a new Friend Simulator

7:10 Darksydephil's ears are burning...

@joshshrum2764

Жыл бұрын

Phil should be a guest on here ack ack ack.

Super Turbo also had a great 1995 MS-DOS port (published by GameTek) that's often overlooked, probably because there weren't any decent controllers available for PC back then.

im surprised there was no mention of kof 12

@DrEarthwormRobotnik

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if they just flat out forgot that game existed.

Wait, "last episode" as in FOREVER or for the end of the year??

@donkeydarko77

Жыл бұрын

He meant of this year

@triplek.o.2192

Жыл бұрын

Yes.

@xxigeorge

Жыл бұрын

@@triplek.o.2192 the ominous full stop 😭 no I'm joking. Thank you guys for this podcast, it's been really fun so far and I very often rewatch older episodes!

People are laughing at Guilty Gear 2 Overture, but it really was a good game. Everyone just shits on it, because it's not a fighting game.

Awsome video keep up the great work

From what I've heard, the NG/DOA quote was moreso "we're interested in reviving these franchises" and less "we're 100% making new games in this series"

Just got to add to the people saying SSF2 on Snes and Megadrive DID have speed settings. It was great. This is literally the first time I'm hearing people complain about it.

Funny enough my local game store actually got a MK3 cabinet in their mini arcade recently

Snes Super Street Fighter 2 had adjustable speed..

You guys should do an episode on fighting game announcers the good and the bad

The street fighter ex games running on the Sony ZN hardware in arcade. The same arcade board that’s running rivals school, star gladiator 1 & 2, battle arena toshinden 2, tech romancer & tetris the grand master.

Smash Ultimate's story was fun, doesnt beat Subspace Emissary. I was really hoping they were gonna do something like it for Smash Ultimate.

32:10 technically the boss of Tekken 4 is either Heiachi or Kaz.

I'd say mk11 was a misstep critically too, even with the gameplay changes, fans weren't a fan of the main story and ending, puts NRS in a tough position for the sequel, and the infamous grinding.

I had KOF 96 for the Sega Saturn and really enjoyed it, I liked the music and final boss was different which I thought was cool. I didn't notice it playing bad compared to 95, but that's just me.

MSHvsSF was my first vs game i played so i dont think i was as hard on it.

@bryanthulbert7450

Жыл бұрын

Also probably one of if not the best soundtrack in the Marvel vs series

I still love Brawl. It looked amazing, had really cool new characters, so much content and this awesome story mode but man did people I know, especially Melee fanboys, hate the shit out of it. I had fun with it for uncount hours but I will also admit that I am baffled to this day by the tripping mechanic.

@joshshrum2764

Жыл бұрын

Still sucks compared to the two inbetween, but i did love it as a kid.

Sc4 initiates the sharkjump that sc5 ends making Siegfried a Bad guy just for using the GOOD sword

Have to disagree on one thing with Justin regarding "new characters" in MVC1; War Machine was just a reskin of Iron Man's sprite from Marvel Super Heroes. Most of his special moves were just ever-so-slightly altered from Iron Man.

When max said "yea I'm done with it man." I laughed so hard , but I agree get rid of gears

Brawl also suffers from having very little reason to come back to after more recent games, smash 4 and ultimate are essentially brawl 2 and brawl 3 and if you come back to play subspace emissary today you'll eventually realize that not only it's too long it also isn't really very good because the stages have to account to you playing them with meta knight or ganondorf. When you go back to Melee you at least find a completely different feeling game that didn't get anything like it again in the industry yet, even if it it can feel clunky until you're a few matches in.

I remember playing the original MK3 on arcade cabinets

40:00 it's anarchy in the nippon.

To correct y'all on SF2 and this eas stated in some interview. We all know that the CE boards were getting hacked which started the bootlegging of CE. In response Capcom made Turbo HF but Super was already in production and increasing the speed was never the plan...the real releases wasn't meant to be SF2, SF2 CE, and Super SF2. HF was happen stance again coz of the bootlegging. If you watch Hi-Score girl you notice they don't mention HF coz it was never planned.

It's funny, I have no mental concept of competative play, so the differences from MKX to MK11 barely register to me at all while I think the 'great story mode' is the enormous misstep I can't get over. Although, that said, I came in like two years later when all the DLC was out so I assume those gameplay fixes were all implemented by then.

its weird, I have the new challengers on the genesis, and it has a turbo option, on the beginning you can add turbo stars and that is why I never had that issue, not that I remember

Tekken 4 as a non competitive player was fine but my issues was visually it needed to be toned down and the English accents were awkward too. I did love the music which was a banger. Thanks too (NegroSaki--youtube remix beat maker)

14:46 all hail gorr the evil pittsbury

Before I watch the video I'm allready going to say Guilty Gear Strive.

Arcade near me has a dark resurrection cabinet pretty fun