COOKIE

@TaigaGalette

Жыл бұрын

IT STAL PEPOCUTE

Fextralife is the biggest offender of view botting. Their stream is embedded on their website which has a lot of guides and wikis on Elden Ring, Divinity 2, etc. If you've googled anything related to Elden Ring, guaranteed you've been to their website at least once.

@saltsnorter7823

Жыл бұрын

I never knew this concept of "view botting" was even a thing until now and it totally makes sense about Fextralife. No matter what game they played they always managed to have a weirdly consistent high view count.

@ValkyrissaGaming

Жыл бұрын

@@saltsnorter7823 I wondered about the view count as well and I had no idea about view botting either. That explains a lot, I guess

@Raijin-RyuX24

Жыл бұрын

Not sure if this is a troll or just misinformed or maybe I’m misreading it. Fextralife has been around longer than streaming services. The guy that started it was one of the first online guide creators for video games. Fextralife has hosted a bunch of game events and partook in raising money for many charities over the years. They also house what is arguably one of the largest guide archives from what’s got to be well over 60-70k contributors now. My point is, I don’t think they would have a reason to fluff the numbers. They likely have retained a lot of their followers over the last 10+ years and have simply grown since then.

@kayreal1273

Жыл бұрын

@@Raijin-RyuX24 You haven't done your research then. Fextralife is well known for stream embedding and view botting. There are plenty of videos out there with lots of evidence showing this. A quick google search will tell you everything you need to know.

@Raijin-RyuX24

Жыл бұрын

@@kayreal1273 my information is coming from personal experience with Fextralife over the last 10 years. Whatever they have going on in the last 2-3 I am clueless. Indeed. Their stream is embedded in their own website… of course it is. It’s their website. If you told me their stream was embedded on a different website then perhaps. I just don’t see how they fit into this conversation vs a random streamer of 200 viewers overnight gaining 3x as many. Perhaps I’m just biased due to my years of using and supporting Fextralife.

I agree with you because you accepted your balding, whereas Rin is still holding on for dear life.

I remember those days Xeems.... Also remember when you were small enough that you had some viewers on facebook, myself included. You have done really well to get to where you are brother!! We the Originals may not always be on your stream everyday, but we still support!

You could not have picked a better spot to roll the end card Mr editor. that shit had me dying 🤣

Xeems looked up to Happy. Arthars looked up to Xeems. Thus, my FFXIV streamer list is made.

@ArchieGamez

Жыл бұрын

Happy the OG

@akirahill8091

Жыл бұрын

You love to see it

@Zephhi

Жыл бұрын

I legitimately only watch Happy and Xeems and I’m glad about that

"Ohhh cookie!" nice way to end the clip lol

balance mentor moment

Had no clue Rin's stream was embedded on IcyVeins but it seemed super sketch to me when I looked at the directory the other night and saw him with 1k viewers yet nobody was talking in his chat.

@haleynaga5671

Жыл бұрын

Samee

@tempogaming3520

Жыл бұрын

i was sketch mostly at the fact he had like 1.5k constantly, i was gone from the game for like 4 months but he was only like a 300 viewer streamer when I left, that kind of growth in the game is (literally) unnatural

@theswede3286

Жыл бұрын

I've never seen an imbedded stream on icyveins.

@astonersteve5310

Жыл бұрын

@@theswede3286 thats the point.. they imbed it in the code not the page thats why its scummy

@positiv1199

Жыл бұрын

@@astonersteve5310 I don't think you understand how embedding works.

I saw him have 1500 viewers while the game was on maintenance. I was like HUH

@Alninio

Жыл бұрын

Yeahh, He was already theory crafting PLD rotation on stream after seeing patch notes while in maintenence, so I think some are from the embed and some PLD peeps joined in to have discussions. 1st time I knew Rin embedded his stream, it does boost you up in the FFXIV directory so even more people will click on his stream naturally since its in the first few rows

Buhh

@danmarshall4812

Жыл бұрын

Buhh chills

I remember back in HW when I streamed for fun with my old static, and I would only ever get 2 viewers. 1 is my wife who wanted to see this content when she was out of the country. The other was a person who'd tune in during their work day that I called Laqi (Short for Laqithish) Still remember them to this day and I appreciated it even if I was just background noise to them XD

@XenosysVex

Жыл бұрын

I used to raid with laqi

@Sollarious

Жыл бұрын

@@XenosysVex I remembered seeing their name in your old streams I think one day I even saw your name in there when we were progging either A8S, or A11/12 But I'll always remember laqi for that reason. Just my first real viewer story.

me being the salty streamer rn 😖

Who would though the ''Mr. Positivity who never got problems with a static™'' woud be involved with shady stuff huh.

@KohenChia

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reminder, it's been almost three days since I last circulated rin_mald.mp4

@Lydeck

Жыл бұрын

God that Mr. Positivity schtick was/is so fucking annoying because it's such transparently bullshit lol

@MinamiX3

Жыл бұрын

@@KohenChia ohh can I get the sauce? Peeposmile

@KohenChia

Жыл бұрын

There's more lol

@supersketchy3869

Жыл бұрын

@@MinamiX3 Ik the big one is that he told someone in his static “that they sound like a cocksucker” just for trying to discuss mechanics or something while on stream

As a content creator it has a bad look, almost makes you look desperate for money and growth, instead of you building your brand/entertainment you take a shortcut because you lack the effort to entertain or grab a crowd.

I recently decided to give other streamers a try and I was going through the FF directory. I saw that Rin was the top one while clearing DSR . I thought he had blown up in popularity, now that I'm seeing this video it kinda makes sense why he was 1st. I don't know many streamers for FF outside of really Xenos and Arthars so reading some of these comments I had no idea Rin has had a problematic past.

thanks xenos for your ACT set up guide so many years ago

It's easy to tell who's view botting. Sudden growth with nothing major going on in game or drops plus a slow chat is a good indicator. I watch a lot of 1 to 2k streamers and their chat relatively all moves pretty fast. Checked out Rins stream after I noticed his views drastically went up out of nowhere and his chat was as slow as always and instantly unfollwed. I just refuse to ever watch anyone I think is embedding/viewbotting.

I'm just here for the outbursts, good and bad. I live for it. That Sophia energy was great, everyone needs a friend like you in FFXIV!

pretty understandable points

Prog is the best thing to watch and experience, especially in FFXIV where the content is so scripted.

@khys4772

Жыл бұрын

Literally the only content I enjoy. Like day 1 of a patch, i'm too focused on doing the new content myself and avoiding spoilers. Ultimate however ? I know that I don't have the level and the commitment needed to do that, and that's pretty much the only thing I actually watch related to XIV.

@ArchieGamez

Жыл бұрын

Yeah remember DSR? Shit was so epic cause everything was a mystery especially that timeline change moment

I don't watch the streams but I've become a regular youtube viewer and Xeems is funny and entertaining so the steady growth makes sense, also he has some good tips too. Also but the Strummer and chat are cute, so that's a bonus

Here we go

I haven't played FF14 in the last couple years much at all. I stopped playing shortly after having everything on farm after the endwalker release. but a good while even before that. I knew Rin was viewbotting. I noticed it immediately. back when he would have like 30 ppl, then 3 days later at like two in the morning i saw him with 500 viewers. But the chat was radio silent. I typed in his chat to press 1 if you are awake and still watching and I got banned on that account. I really till this day mainly watch xeems, even though I don't play the game I pop in here and there to still show support. Xeems from day one gave me the vibe of an "earner" I been working since i was 13, and I'm 30 now. Trust me, you can tell the difference between talent and hard time/work or a combination of both in people. I saw xeems grow for a very long time started playing FF before Heavensward release when ninja came out. My twitch handle is SamauriVain, so you know I'm not BSing. Loyal viewers have seen me around in his chat.

That ending was just so good I dont think any of his videos will top this unfortunately

7:50 Asmon on FFXIV had mutual benefit. He grew up too, also his reddit felt more alive. He was the only one that was not able to hold his gains in long term followed by Pyromancer. His persona at the core is completely different of what most FFXIV viewers look for.

@marslara

Жыл бұрын

Pyro averages what most people in ffxiv category do doesn't he like around 200? I don't know I have a hard time watching him. There's only a handful that get xeno numbers and I think that's zepla and like no one else 😂 And then a lot of others get huge spikes around new content

@neosepiroth

Жыл бұрын

@@marslara pyro used to hit 800+ on daily basis before the 3rd party rage moment, he lost a lot of viewers after that day.

@marslara

Жыл бұрын

@@neosepiroth I just associated that with him being in msq still. A lot of streamers have been getting crazy high numbers for msq especially if they're new to the game. Though to be fair I don't know how fast he fell off after he finished like if he kept the viewership but then people just couldn't stand watching. Like I said I stopped watching since I found it uncomfortable And he makes makes some wild statements like how people hinder themselves with controller and the 3rd party stuff with consoles lol. He gives me both secondhand embarrassment and frustrates me.

@neosepiroth

Жыл бұрын

@@marslara Aye I agree, but his numbers during msq were far higher so I didn't took those in account (was about 1,5k to 3k depending on where he was in the msq). After that he did some raiding with a consistent 800 ish viewers which dropped drastically after his tirade. He also dropped the whole Loremaster thing after that thing as well and there were some wild theories that he already did msq before doing it live on stream (hence he would say something like "I'm not missing anything" when looking away to write in his notebook during cutscenes. Tho this wasn't really proven. I think the biggest issue was the moment when he started spamming adds to force people to buy a sub so that they don't have to see em, which was a super scummy move from him.

@marslara

Жыл бұрын

@@neosepiroth Ah okay, I tried watching him again for 6.3 (because I'm a sap and felt bad he had lower views and it was titled I don't rage anymore or something) but he was still really mean and even though he apologized after it'd better if he wasn't mean in the first place. Someone figured out a mechanic from the alliance raid and said how they think it worked and he got mad and acted like the guy cheated to know that info when they're suppose to be blind. Then a few people were like it makes sense if you're used to the game so you can tell that stuff easier and then pyro said sorry but then the guy who explained the mech sounded like he was gonna cry and APOLOGIZED to pyro for sounding like he was "cheating". The exchange made me mega uncomfortable especially since it seemed like the guy was his friend or at least a notable member of community so I clicked off again 😂 If only he wasn't so rude, maybe he could have kept the zepla/xeno numbers. As for the ads, I can respect the business move lol, especially since I didn't really care and mostly watched vods to skip the ranting.

I miss the Xeno strat days

I just followed Rin last night because he was at the top of the ffxiv category with 1.5k views (which is pretty uncommon) and I was tabbed out for hours but figured with all those viewers he might be worth checking into at some point. Just unfollowed him now that I know what's going on. Viewbotting is scummy but I think the problem lies with twitch not having a good algorithm to get smaller streamers noticed (like KZread does) so some people feel like that's the only way to get noticed. The only thing that matters on twitch is more viewers attracts more viewers.

@Lewdology

Жыл бұрын

Giving someone a follow purely because of their viewer numbers is pretty weird, imo. Gotta lurk for a bit and see what the vibes are before pressing that button.

@melissas4874

Жыл бұрын

@CommanderGuy You do know that's weird? I can't find the site now, but content creator metric sites do measure interaction of the streamer/creator with their audience and if nobody chats or it is viewed that his community are all "lurkers", it will be viewed that he bot or buys all his subs. If people really like Rin they should do the man a favor and show they are actually there.

I mean... I can see why nothing is being done against it, but it's just so fkn disgusting. We need to call them out on every given opportunity.

The reality is most people will take the shortcut/path of least resistance, even if it is potentially morally or ethically wrong.

Why am I not surprised at Rin doing shady things....

Bro that ending 🤣

WHY DID YOU CUT THE COOKIE SMADGE

Xeno, I'm what you call extreme casual ff14 player but shit you do has made me play the game with more interest and have got a few roles down under my belt, thanks to you it has been a good journey

fextralife is one of the worst offenders. just trying to look up an elden ring item, stream pops up to 30,000+ viewers, and there's like 2 people chatting. and then they have the audacity to say "pay premium so you don't get ads!" as if the stream traffic isn't making them money.

@Localpref416

Жыл бұрын

Don't hate the player hate the game. He made one of the best wikis of all time, then uses that to advertise his own stream. Seems like sour grapes :/

@Monocol

Жыл бұрын

@@Localpref416 weirdo

@Zephhi

Жыл бұрын

Yeah fuck that guy lol. I remember playing Elden Ring last year and I guarantee his Twitch was booming while that game was just new

@Zephhi

Жыл бұрын

@@Localpref416 I mean in some ways I respect it, but he really doesn’t have fans or viewers

@martyrofgrenth2136

Жыл бұрын

lol I noticed the other day when I looked something in Elden Ring wiki that there was a Fextralife stream on the side (though it wasn't active). Then I noticed I had over 10k view points or whatever you call it, and I'm like "I've never watched this stream in my life". And I have adblock but still see that stream so that's weird for sure.

Paid for week 1, pays for views, balance mentor

@kizuwho

Жыл бұрын

:) He's not the GNB face anymore if you check the balance.

@GJ-lz3ys

Жыл бұрын

Shoutout the actual good balance mentors that patiently answer tho. Rin is pay to win OMEGALUL

@Brandon-gz9nx

Жыл бұрын

Also iirc wasnt Rin one of the main people in the whole SaltedXIV drama?

@glock986

Жыл бұрын

@@Brandon-gz9nx yes he acted like a fucking child during that

@bophadesknutz7798

Жыл бұрын

@@GJ-lz3ys """Good Balance mentors"""

I'm pretty out of the loop on this, but how does someone get their stream embedded on a website like IcyVeins or similar? Does Rin and other streamers pay the website to host / embed their channel or does the website pick certain streamers they think their audience will want to watch?

@Manofactor

Жыл бұрын

they pay the website

@omegazero5884

Жыл бұрын

essentially what happens is you have a video player on the site immediatly show your video when your streaming, this will instantly show on Twitch hey a person is watching your stream . (if you've ever gone on FextraLife wiki and wondered why they have their streams always showing that's why). The video can even be like pixels big as long as it's playing it counts as a view. Which means you have more views which means more people watching etc etc.

@jo9708

Жыл бұрын

They either pay the site, have contact with someone that runs the site or is sponsored by them in some way.

As someone who’s on/off with following & subscribing to channels (because I’m weird like that) I gotta say, I appreciate those who are naturally growing their channel. It’s also kinda cringe that people need to use basically a ‘swedish pump’ to inflate their channel growth.

What site is rin embedded so i would dodge that site

If the top streamer of a category is view botting and someone watches the game and findrs the person boring they arent going to watch that game anymore

12:48 caught me off guard LMAO

its awful they are inflating their value artifically and this screws over other content creators who actually worked for what they have its disrespectful and disgusting

The issue is more with Twitch imo Twitch knows that doing this is a way to get more viewers, which means they get more ad revenue. I'd take more issue with Twitch counting streams embedded on other sites as views than individual streamers agreeing to have their streams embedded on sites they're partnered with. Twitch is the one that's actually responsible for making it work like this. They could simply change it so that streamers can't try to rig things in their favor, but they probably won't because they benefit from it more than they do.

@jackdrummond9413

Жыл бұрын

The only take in this comment section that actually makes sense. Can't hate on someone following the rules and using marketing to grow their stream. For the people who are mad and calling it view botting: would you rather be served another ad for a massive corporation or have an embed of a small streamer who you may actually have an interest in?

Does streamer cash up with this bots? Because if not, in the case that the streamer is not even pleasant to watch, real people will not stick around and the person is just ego boosting themself for absolutely nothing.

Everyone is jealous they aren't as cute as xemo Tbh, I think it's pretty easy to gauge it based on the chat activity if someone is doing it. It doesn't work everytime but it's pretty consistent. The two big exceptions are probably actually ironically Xeno and then DansGaming. Dan has a much larger stream than chat because he super over moderates his chat. While Xeno has a super active chat for his size due to Xeno just being a lot more active within his own community. Xeno has the chat of like a 5 - 10k streamer with only about 1.5k - 2k consistent. I think it kind of sucks about Rin too. He has been growing since Ultimate prog. Just was impatient. Rin was essentially where Xeno was at a few years ago and Ultimate was a massive boost in his consistent viewers and I think he would have grown naturally over a few years. I think a lot of these content creators super underutilize youtube as well. Which is why their growth is probably slower than they want. Xeno has a fanbase from both youtube and twitch. Kind of similar to how Asmon got started but Xeno jumped on the streaming train a lot earlier

the wiki fextralife has had their own stream autoplay on every single page for years and its fucking annoying as hell and they do nothing but profit from it

Get your hydras ready for the 24th

Viewbotting especially if you are trying to actually bulid a personal brand as a goal, is actually completely counterproductive long-run and I dont think people understand that enough to see past the short term gains. Very sad. yes you can grow faster and get more exposure but its a catch 22 of sorts. If someone had good content and focused on their content and brand, they proabably wouldnt be off googling how to look for embed deals or pursuing partnerships where they get embedded in the first place. It speaks a lot of the endgame that is in store, which is eventual deterioration of their brand someday. and also if people find out you take 1 step forward and many many more steps back, it just keeps buliding as word of mouth spreads, one will be known for cheapness instead of one''s own intended brand message, and you can never live it down. its not even a right/wrong or fair/unfair debate, it is guaranteeing one's own long term failure in a sense. losing credibility with oneself, deep down when someone utilizes viewbotting/shortcuts in any shape or form in business they are telling themselves they don't believe in themselves. Even assuming no one finds out, and they profit tremendously in metrics and growth, no thoughtful person can feel fulfilled by something they know they don't deserve.

i have mad respect for you bro

It's literally EVERY SINGLE TIME rin is brought up he's doing something scummy lmao

I stream like at least once a year for the Extra-Life fundraising so the only viewers I get are friends or family and yeah I got those 'Hey wanna buy some bots?' at least once xd.

10 viewer only days were great!

I’m glad xeno doesn’t shy away from being real on fellow streamers. Has Rin responded to this?

@marianalenz9935

Жыл бұрын

he just malded real hard on stream, had to close it because it was honestly sad to watch

@Asdafelrandom

Жыл бұрын

And he went for a while too. Got on his stream and he was already malding, did an Euphrosyne run, came back and he was still at it.

@berrytimee

Жыл бұрын

@@Asdafelrandom felt like he was going to cry honestly

@bauloprete3905

Жыл бұрын

Well yea. He claimed that it was false. That he wasnt scumy and has always being transparent

@UltimateShingo

Жыл бұрын

@@marianalenz9935 are there any mirrors? Seems like Rin purged that VoD, he also shut off comments in his KZread response after a bit because people kept calling him out for his take

The embedding stream shit is just scummy af Edit since I watched the whole video: Pretty sure Its not just rin whos on icy veins since I seen Serenaya_Carrin on there. Not sure if hes still on there though

@maquia3738

Жыл бұрын

I think he was featured there for one day only, and anyway unlike Rin if you check his charts they're natural, he's been averaging the same viewership for like 6 months now without embeds and had no recent sus peaks

@didac3859

Жыл бұрын

He's admited to it. But he also opened up about how the partnership works(no money involved, just mutual promotion) and said he specifically asked Icy Veins to only embed him on the Phys Ranged pages

I've been watching you from the beginning long ass time

The only thing that matters is what twitch says is ok, and they obviously dont care. Fuck it.

why cant i find anyone talk about this?

@Monocol

Жыл бұрын

Because people like to Protect Rin and shade all the other fucked up shit he's done in the ffxiv community and to his personal life. I'd say more but comments that go into detail mysteriously get deleted. :)

@KazaarTV

Жыл бұрын

@@Monocol thanks tho ^^

Xeno the GOAT 🐐 . He's 197 btw.

thats it im subbing to the bald guy

Venomous Mass

"...uh, a cookie!" attention span: 0

Hell yeah bruhther expose the frauds

Fuck yes Xeems, great video.

What kind of cookie ?? 🍪

agree with him or not, at least xeno is being honest and dont sugar coat his opinions. massive respect man.

MTQCapture is the best when in guides she explains it like she’s a Admin so simple with the most realistic PF Relatable strats vs happy making strats static friendly and not pf

@ruily276

Жыл бұрын

I prefer the top-down view from the hector guides tbh. Just makes it clearer than the pov view that happy and MTQ use.

@OilFreeFeathers

Жыл бұрын

It's so sad that she became a woke cultist.

lol rin disabled dislikes and comments on his youtube video about it.

sigh and the viewers are always the commodity

Ooooh a cookie!

I haven't been following Rin ever since the whole EW media tour allegations and even before he was a bit weird (like crying on stream and stuff). Disappointed he is view botting now.

@luizphellipe5831

Жыл бұрын

What was the allegations ?

@didac3859

Жыл бұрын

The allegations were bullshit tho, and completely irrelevant to the current situation.

@ariamachi

Жыл бұрын

@@didac3859 even if they were they were still there at the time

@didac3859

Жыл бұрын

@@ariamachi Just putting there as a disclaimer. These kinds of situations tend to be used as a chance to throw random unrelated things at the involved person and it turns into a misinformation fest.

@didac3859

Жыл бұрын

@@umm4201 Media tour content is watermarked. The moment something gets leaked, Square Enix will know exactly who leaked it. The fact that Rin is still part of the community is all the proof you need that it wasn't him, otherwise he would've been banned ingame and probably sued by Square.

Lots I’ve seen say silly chat like Keke

I remembered when I was streaming ff9 just for shits and giggles and someone came into the chat to tell me to viewbot, and I was so confused. I said "yea I'll look into it" only to find out what it actually was. I didn't really care to become much of a content creator, but I did remember just overall being intimidated from streaming since that was apparently "something everyone does". Now obviously, fast forward to now, I know better, but nowadays I wonder about triple eh companies like Blizzard. How likely is it that they viewbot and pay twitch to keep silent on it?

Fextralife moment

As someone who does sponsorship outreach.. This is definitely enlightening and something I'll be keeping an eye on going forward.. 😂😂

@XenosysVex

Жыл бұрын

Yea for sure. Be wary for that and check chat activity.

Xeemo's chat is full of malfunctioning AIs.

3:41 (Ninja in the background) "Into Darkness... mmmm Another Fresh Victim... HISSSSS HISSSSS"

While I don't think it'll ever be respectable I'd have a different opinion on it if someone, for example, put time, effort and money into icy veins and it was their website that they ran themselves and managed and all that. If they then wanted to embed their stream there whatever still sucks but its their website and people going there are likely to actually join a stream and interact of they've come for info on something and see the person who made the website is also streaming the game. But icy veins is a collaborative project between various people across a few different games with which 1 single person probably has a very small part of. In that case I really don't like it.

I can understand. The more viewers the higher you are in the twitch line up. Why wait 2 mins thru adds to see a 2 viewer nobody... Why "grind" to move your career forward than just embed. It's not a good thing and will effect advertisers in the long run so it's not good for the platform... This is just a symptom of a systematic problem with twitch

I just find the shit Rin and Fextralife are doing is just shady. Might be the wrong take, but I am just sick of the willingness people have to do the wrong or even morally wrong shit for a profit. I dont care how bad it is for you. I just don't.

@Chunginitup

Жыл бұрын

Rin paying to get embedded on Icy Veins, sure fair enough that’s lame as hell Fextralife’s embedding on their own site which is well within their rights to do, but it still feels like a dick move

@neruneri

Жыл бұрын

@@Chunginitup Honestly, Fextralife feels the worst to me, because the stream is *never* related to the content of the website. At least the IcyVeins embeds are related to the game you're there for. Both suck though.

@yasuke3020

Жыл бұрын

@@Chunginitup it's all lame. I just don't understand why everyone is so ok with being morally obtuse is the way to be. Both parties know that it's just misleading, and it probably wouldn't be a positive thing to do outside of benefitting their wallets. It's just genuinely lame. But I know in a few days if the noise gets worse, their will be an apology with the usual excuses and platitudes, people will draw their lines in the side and choose what they support, and in days no one will care until someone notices the embedded streams never changed. It's just gross.

I'm fine with it as a form of advertising your stream, if anything if I were a streamer I'd be more irritated with Twitch for counting embedded streams as views.

im really surprised he would do this honestly but i understand why hes making money from it how much im not sure but this throws every shred of integrity they might had out the window

Thats how i feel about people who buy clears for ultimate weapons

@Henurisongs

Жыл бұрын

ones a shiny weapon in a videogame you play for fun the other is an actual job

@never5930

Жыл бұрын

@@Henurisongs the severity may be different, but the principle is the same. I respect others who took the time to learn DSR or another ultimate and achieved that heavenly weapon and title on their own. They took the time it required and earned that right to wear that weapon while others paid 3.99 plus taxes and shipping for the same pay off. People can do whatever they want with their money but im just saying it dont respect it

It's ridiculous, I began streaming this past week and not 5 minutes passed before I received an offer for view bots via my dm, I was baffled.

No respect. Madge.

Don't game the player, player the game. Something like that

i wish to see more xeems wisedom on life, sadly whenever im tuning on his stream he mostly spend his time to entertain the chats fooling around

happy if I get one viewer

TLDR of Serena’s twitlonger: WHO AAAASKED

@Andy_val

Жыл бұрын

He's also requested IV to remove him from their embed.

People hated Zenos because he spoke the truth.

I learned a lot from Rin and I'm always glad to see him as a guest on podcasts. This kinda sucks, but this topic is generally wack. Asmon had an interesting interview with a guy who uses embedding and it's not totally black and white. Reasoning being that if you don't do it, you are shooting yourself in the foot, because other people will do it anyway. At that point, it really depends on your values and integrity. I think it's obvious whose stream I will be watching for ToP prog though. Good luck Xeems and crew, I'll try to catch the celebrations on Lich again.

keep ur house clean, good for him that he talk about it. BTW asmon started his channel with view botting too XDD

Welcome to the internet.

I don't exactly equate embeds to viewbotting, but I don't think someone not actually watching/listening the embed should count as a viewer. I don't know how it counts... but if it does currently, it should not count anyone that mutes/closes/scrolls out of sight of the player. I'm not going to say someone watching via an embed shouldn't count as a viewer though. Maybe it would also be nice to track the numbers separately? Cause twitch viewer will care about the number of folks hanging out on chat and they should have that info to avoid a jebait... but advertisers? They don't give a shit how poppin' chat is... they care about the potential eyes seeing their brand. I don't think it matters if someone is seeing your screen unintentionally, like I don't think it matters if you head to a site for a guide, a stream starts playing and you stop and watch said stream... or pay it as much attention as any other stream on your second monitor as background. It goes, I hope, without saying that using script/code/a paid service/etc to artificially inflate the number to something not equal to real humans watching your stream is scummy.

Ouh a Cookie!

classic legal botting

KZread, twitch, tiktok are all viewbotting

VeryPog

Imagine defending Rin after all of this, FFXIV circle is so shit outside of a select few

I think viewbotting is bad but the embed issue isn't the same imo. Embeds provide the opportunity for more people to find you, the view count being counted that way is more of an issue with Twitch. Look at being at the front page of Twitch. If you are on the front page, is every person passing by watching your stream? No, but your view count is inflated. However it provides another opportunity for someone to find you. If Twitch removed views from external sources, I still think people would embed because it's just advertising your stream.

@zElement7

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Agreed. I can’t blame Rin for taking a partnership if it’s gonna help him out, but those embed views still shouldn’t count imo. There is absolutely a difference between straight up viewbotting and embedding, especially in a scenario like this.

@psyonicpanda

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@@zElement7 Right, I don't think Rin said "yeah I want fake views" they said "hey, I want to advertise my stream"

@XenosysVex

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@Psyonic Panda it'd not advertising the stream if the people on the site don't know about the strea or know that they are counted as a viewer.

@psyonicpanda

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@@XenosysVex I mean you see the stream as you scroll down. Lets say you could have your stream playing on the ff14 launcher when you have 200 viewers. Would you do it to potentially grow or would you say no because everyone just logs in and doesn't look? I imagine you would try it because any potential growth is good. It would inflate your numbers but that's Twitch's system sucking and not your intent.

@psyonicpanda

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If Rin was buying views from a bot to inflate numbers, 100% scummy. If they embed their stream to potentially get eyes from human beings? They should always do it.

I'm confused - Rin's viewers increased on January 10th which is the same day 6.3 expansion dropped. Before this he had been playing a lot of WoW. So how can you tell just from that site it was view botting and not people taking a look at new content? I don't watch Rin unless he is running FFXIV content with another streamer (and then I'm typically watching the other streamer honestly) or when he was trying WoW. I do think there is a small circle of creators for FFXIV, of which Rin is one, who just promote each other constantly and few others. I don't think Zepla is one of them since she can barely notice when a streamer comes in her chat. I'm not saying that as a dig at Zepla - I find it funny when one of these streamers come in her chat trying to get her attention and she basically doesn't even acknowledge their existence! LMAO Her views this week are back down to about 1k too with her doing live trials for a TOP prog spot. I think they were at 3-4k during DSR.

@norightturn7047

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It's easy to tell, the chat doesn't freaking move. 1.5k views and 2 people chatting.

@tannerwilkins7583

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@@norightturn7047 that right there on the nose. you get alot of ppl together ether at school church work or the military there gonna be ppl talking

@didac3859

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Simply go into Sullygnome and compare all the FFXIV streamers you know to Rin. Sort by 30 days and see if they experience the same type of growth after the 10th just like Rin. Spoilers, they don't. Streamers that are more popular than Rin; Xeno, Zepla, Woops, Arthars... None of them display that sort of trend, just Rin. Also Serenaya has admited to participating in the same Icy Veins campaign and he's said that it started on the 10th. The embeds were started at the same time the patch released.

@melissas4874

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@@didac3859 There are a lot of services like this. That said, when I went to his stream last night he had an Icy Veins promo on his description so I guess that's it. He had like 500 people watching and only person said anything in chat for like 10 min. Oh well. He did have people as listed in his chat - not sure if that list populates from cookies or something.