I've owned a Line 6 Powercab, and the Fender Tone Master FR 12 blows it away. I've run my Fractal Fm9 and a UA Ruby through it, both sound great, and can be tweaked to perfection for stage monitoring volume! Soooo good!!!!

I've had the TMP and the FR-12 for a week. I'm convinced that the FR-12 optimizes the tones and sounds of the TMP. I've also used my Helix with the FR-12 and it sounds better than when I connect the Helix with my Powercab.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

A lot of people are saying it is better than the Powercab but I thought the Powercab was awful the last time I tried it.

@SF201

7 ай бұрын

I was looking for a video to demonstrate that but reading assures me to buy the fr-12 and try it out

Tech 21 Power Engine Deuce Deluxe is the best implementation of the FRFR cab concept I have found. Best feature set and tone for the money by far. Also has xlr in and out and hp and lp filters. Works for guitar, bass or anything else. Has a defeatable tweeter which is great depending on whether you want more high end or not.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

I have heard good things about those.

@blueleaftuber

8 ай бұрын

How does that sound with an electric guitar? I guess it's more targeted towards bass

@ILuvJazzNJava

8 ай бұрын

@@blueleaftuberit works just as great for guitar or bass. I have used it successfully for both. For guitar it’s best to engage the low and high pass filters which makes the frequency response like a guitar speaker can.

Awesome I was hoping someone would review this. I was thinking about getting this to go with my UA Dream 65.

@margeandincharge78

10 ай бұрын

I’ve been thinking about the same thing. Hopefully someone demos it.

@TheChristafershawn

10 ай бұрын

@@margeandincharge78 Hopefully, I dig the pedal as a preamp into FX return of a tube amp (can't use cab sims though) but not a fan of it through a PA speaker. Maybe this or a similar speaker cab is the answer.

I played the TMPro last week plugged into the 12 and an HXStomp next to it plugged into the 10. I was most impressed by the new Fender cabs, and how great the HXStomp sounded thru the 10 as well.

One of the reasons to go completely digital is to get rid of noise. Kind of weird design if there’s a noise problem

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

I agree 100%

@j.jester7821

8 ай бұрын

hmmm. but where is the source of the noise? the fr12 power amp? or the input signal?

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

@@j.jester7821 Watch the video. You will see there is nothing connected.

@FuzzFace

8 ай бұрын

⁠@@j.jester7821. In general, yes. But any modeler that has noise problems gets eviscerated. The debates about the hxstomp loop buffer is a good example. Again, the digital domain should offer low noise or relative low noise.

@jerryhill8281

7 ай бұрын

I believe it's the compressor so it can get really loud for live shows. That's why tube amps hiss cause they have higher compression. A lower wattage tube amp is louder than a higher wattage solid state amp

Purchased the FR12 yesterday to go with my newly acquired FM9. Absolutely no hiss. So it seems Fender fixed this. The cabinet sounds amazing.

@aaronshortmusic

12 күн бұрын

Yes the new ones are ‘fixed’. I love it!

Great video Aaron and so glad somebody did this just on the speaker! So I thought it was just me and maybe a bum unit but yeah.. there's a hiss for sure. I’ve been running a Line 6 Pod Go into the Line 6 Powercab (not the Plus) for a couple years and was pretty satisfied with it and for me, the one that came closest to “amp in the room” and “moving air”. I play at home and soft rock, classic rock, alt, etc. I’m 2 weeks into the FR12 and love it! Did the back and forth side by side comparison with the PowerCab and no contest.. the FR12 clear winner! It was such a winner I sold my PowerCab on Reverb in short order. So suddenly I’m noticing the hiss and buyers (and now sellers) remorse has kicked in. I JUST called Fender Cust Support after watching this clip (and reading comments) and the live rep said it’s not a known issue, but it is still early. He's talking to his amp people and will follow back up. My Opinion: The amp sounds great! Amp in the room vibe, my tones have never sounded better, the EQ on the amp is brilliant. As for the hiss in my quiet studio - it’s barely noticeable but it's definitely there but you can’t notice at all when playing, just quiet moments. For any real amp players especially tube amps, it’s prob less noisy than the real things. Hey, maybe they reproduced the real amps so well they nailed the hiss and hum!

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

That’s for the comment but I do have to disagree. The Powercab 212 was not a good sounding solution to me so comparing the FR12 to that doesn’t say much. I DO think the FR12 sounds great and has an amazing feature set but I hear the hiss while playing and I do not hear hiss from the tube amps or other amps that I have owned over the years. I recently had the Tone Master Twin and it didn’t make that noise and I have a 100w Mesa that doesn’t make that noise. I hope it’s a hardware issue that can be fixed and if so I will make a new review of it.

@Neuroanalisis

10 ай бұрын

Damn, was excited about this speaker, maybe I'll wait for revision 2.0 and see if they fix this.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

@@Neuroanalisis I’m getting a replacement. Stay tuned…

@Neuroanalisis

10 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic I look forward to an update on the issue, thanks!

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

@@Neuroanalisis I’ll make a video as soon as I have the replacement.

Many thanks for the review! Much more useful than all the promotion stuff.

The preamp EQ section of the FR-12 unit is causing the hiss. Fender have 12 op amp stages using TL084 chips and these are an older op amp design and the 12 gain stages compound the noise of these stages. By replacing the 3 quad op amp chips with more modern low noise ICs the hiss vanishes. Fender could easily fix this issue with a revised circuit board featuring low noise op amp ICs. The Gear Forum has a diy article on suitable drop in chip replacements that eliminate the hiss. Lets hope Fender rectify this design flaw quickly and get a revised unit out for sale.

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

Thanks for the info. If only they had sent some beta units out before it was released…

@blueleaftuber

8 ай бұрын

This is excellent information to know. Maybe the next generation will be the real winners

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

@@blueleaftuber With a small tweak this could be the best cab for modelers on the market!

@blueleaftuber

8 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic I currently have a pair of Headrush FRFR 108s that sound good stereo. I would consider switching to the Fenders just for the look and better EQ knobs onboard. Maybe once they come out used and ppl decide they don't like FRFR, etc

@walth9092

6 ай бұрын

I thought maybe the inductor circuit, or changing the filter components.

I've been waiting for this review. Like a lot of people I'm not interested in the modeler since I already have one.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Yes I was thinking this could be a great choice to use with ANY modeler.

Thank you thank you thank you been waiting for a review of this seeing there's 10 of thousands of us that have a modeler already struggling with stage volume

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Yeah it’s a big deal. Maybe more than the TMP.

thanks for the honest review. I agree, that noise floor is unacceptable. Its too bad because the unit seems to have everything else going for it and I almost pulled the trigger on one.

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

I have a replacement arriving Monday. If it is better I will update everyone.

@brianst33

9 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic - I have the same hiss issue with my FR-12. Any luck on the replacement unit? I wrote into Fender support and got the following so-so answer: "Thank you for reaching out to us. The hiss you are describing sounds like it is most likely RF interference, which can affect any powered speaker. Interference is caused by just about anything--electrical wiring in walls, computers, even light bulbs. That is actually why there is a high frequency cut control which allows you to fine-tune your tone and hone in on what the speaker should actually be focusing on--without losing the integrity of the signal sent to the power amp." To their defense I can use the high-cut to dial out the hiss.

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

@@brianst33 Yeah it’s the same. It’s not noticeable while playing but I do think there’s more than I am used to in other FR speakers.

Great run through and demo of the FR12 and comparing it to the QSC. I just got both the TMP and FR12. My FR12’s noise with nothing plugged in is comparable to the QSC. I have to get my ear right next to the speaker to hear it. I haven’t noticed noise fro the TMP, but I will try the Aux. suggestion to see if it makes a difference. From what I’m gathering, all power cabs will have a little noise. But, your FR12 has more than normal.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Maybe I will ask Fender to exchange it.

"Your modeler is only as good as what you play it through" - wow, truer words were never said!

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

Yep

@kjetilalexandersaltnes8643

7 ай бұрын

That's why I use Mission Gemini ll Studio

@aaronshortmusic

7 ай бұрын

@@kjetilalexandersaltnes8643 They are too heavy for me.

@kjetilalexandersaltnes8643

7 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic They're great, if you can Carry The Weight... Yes, it's a load.

Same issue here, I got the FR10 because the FR12 was already sold out at my local guitar shop. Took it home and immediately I was disappointed by the noise that came out of it even without anything plugged in. As always I thought that would be only the problem with the one I picked but couldn’t find any other review or report of people having the same issue. I’d really wanted to like it but I guess Im gonna return it. The search goes on.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

I hope this is just a temporary issue that can be resolved in production. I didn’t notice this with the Tone Master Twin.

This is a low key QSC ad lol. Thanks for the review.

Excellent honest review. Straight to the point. I like that! Thanks!

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

Thank you. I hope they can resolve it.

@GaryAlexanderMusic

8 ай бұрын

Me too! I think I would buy 2 of them and run them in stereo if they would. I play at very low volumes here in my studio, so hiss is bad!@@aaronshortmusic

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

@@GaryAlexanderMusic Same here.

Great job with the cab for sure The TMP outrageously priced for what is is though My opinion is big changes coming to digital modeling in 2024

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

I think the price is OK if they continue to support it. Time will tell and I agree about 2024…

@superglassbucks6356

9 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic yes I didn’t buy one specifically because I know Fender is spread thin and makes corporate based financial decisions. I’m happy with my Helix and it’s set up, so not up for new projects personally. But the cab is perfect. Looks great and sounds sturdy. And eq at hands reach. Definitely nailed the cab

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

@@superglassbucks6356 Apart from the hiss I experienced yes. I hope it gets improved with a future revision.

@superglassbucks6356

9 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic yes…hiss always seems to be an issue with an initial digital product

This is part 1 I assume? 😬 Looking forward to part 2, the real in depth review! 😊

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

This is it. I will post a part 2 if it turns out my unit is defective.

@AnthonyBencomo

10 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusicit’s not defective. We all have the hiss.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

@@AnthonyBencomo So they are all defective.

Keep hearing rumors that Fender has/has not fixed the hissing issue with these. Does anybody know for sure? This is exactly what I have been after but won't buy one until that issue is sorted out. Hissing amps is why I got into modelers in the first place.

@aaronshortmusic

6 ай бұрын

Once I have a definitive answer I’ll post an updated video.

I run my UA Dream and/Ruby thru the front of a Roland JC-22, which is so clean that even the various speaker cabs sound good, altho I cannot vouch for if they are truly mirroring the actual speakers in real life. I could not use the speaker emulations in my Roland Blues Cube Hot British; it sounded too muddy. I do prefer the UAs thru the front rather than the effects return. The new Fender FR cabs sounded exciting but I do not like hiss…. So thanks for the heads up on that. Was wondering how they sound on the quiet” bedroom” side of the volume knob…

This video was perfect for me as I just got the QSC CP8 and was debating if I should exchange it for an FR10 or 12. I know, “get both.”

@aaronshortmusic

7 ай бұрын

I will revisit the FR12 when I hear that the hiss has been fixed.

I bought the tech21 power engine 60 in 2013 I was so happy to use it with Pod X3 live but thé noise floor was so disappointing.. it was the last time I used that kinda amplifiers .. since I bought the helix everything is done directly into an interface .. even my neighborhood is happy lol

Could be some house electricity issue too. I had a particular amp that hated my house's electricity; it was very hissy. I took this amp to my neighbors house based on this suspicion, and it was quiet. My other amps were fine on my home's electricity.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Always possible which is why I compared it to the QSC and that is noticeably quieter.

Gemini 2 vs Fender FR-12

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

Over $2000 and 62lbs for that one. It’s not even in the same ballpark as the Fender.

These are a Godsend. I've used two Katana mkii's for small shows without a Direct to FOH. They did very well, but maybe these will be their successor? The connectivity seems great.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

The Katanas are great. I would prefer the Fender if it had less noise.

I just had mine come in today. It is "Oh my sweet Jesus" loud. I use a helix floor and putting the cab on 2 was blowing me away. I also heard something I haven't heard in a while from an FRFR.....thump. This thing is the closest I've seen to a real amp that I've seen yet. It blows away my powercab as well.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

I’m not a fan of the Powercab but I am able to turn the Fender to maximum in my apartment. I guess it depends on how you have the settings. Do you hear the hiss in my video?

@brianlebrun2382

10 ай бұрын

I heard about the reports of a hiss but this thing is just about dead quiet. Most audio equipment will have something but I had my ear within a few inches and didn't hear anything. I run my Helix with the master about at 2 o'clock only because that's where I got a good signal to the powercab. I'll be dropping that back a bit. @@aaronshortmusic

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

@@brianlebrun2382 That’s interesting. I can hear the hiss sitting 6ft away and it’s loud.

@brianlebrun2382

9 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic I had an incident a few nights ago at my band rehearsal where I was using my backup rig and I heard that hiss you were talking about. I pulled the input from the amp and it was gone. For me, it's gain. My backup rig doesn't have a noise gate but my Helix does and I use it on every preset. Could that be your issue? Does it hiss without anything plugged in? Just curious.

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

It happened with nothing connected...@@brianlebrun2382

Great video on the FR-12! You must proved hat the QSC is a far superior choice in all aspects. Thanks!

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Not in the room. The FR-12 is more fun to play but I cannot handle the hiss.

Got mine today...plugged in to a Helix LT. There is a little bit of a hiss but only noticeable when I am really close to it and actively trying to listen for it (playing in an apartment). None of it is noticeable while playing. Perhaps you got a bad unit, faulty cable, electrical interference or something. It does sound really good.

@rhodeislandfirearmsownersl9916

10 ай бұрын

How does it sound with the Helix? Better than Headrush FRFRs?

@shadesofdistortion

8 ай бұрын

Yes, it does sound better for sure! @@rhodeislandfirearmsownersl9916

This is what I want to know about thank you

Why not to try modeler (pre and power amp on, IRS off) ---> powered mixer ---> Guitar Speaker Cab ? I want to try it and see what results can I get. It surely will have less versatility because of the colour of the speakers, but I hope it would be more flexible than the modeler directly to the return of an amp.

the hiss is probably because it has a high frequency driver not just a 12 inch speaker. bet if you unplug the hf driver the noise is almost inaudible.

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

Probably but that doesn’t help right now.

over on the fractal forum those guys are already modding the FR 12s EQ stage, lol...... i think thats where the noise is coming from ?

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

I have another one coming to verify.

I was saving up for a Laney LFR112 or even a QSC K12 but I think, this would be it.

@AnthonyBencomo

10 ай бұрын

Don’t get the qsc12. I had it, I’d go 10.2. It’s sounded way better. But I’d go fender fr over the qsc. It’s not as crystal clear, but it’s more amp like. And less pricy

@jeeeeev

10 ай бұрын

@@AnthonyBencomo I have the Headrush 108 but its not enough when you have a very loud drummer. Yeah, I'll go with this Tonemaster FR12 since weight is a huge factor for me.

Very cool. I didn't hear the QSC at all! I'm on the pre-order for the Spark CAB, as I have all 3 of the Spark amps (not really sure why...lol). Looking forward to seeing what that is like, as I do like the Spark amps.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Let us know. I hope it’s quiet!

@TheChicagoTodd

10 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic Ha! Expected to ship in December.....so we'll see. I figure I can also use it for my QuadCortex.

The Fender cab sounded really tinny. I can just use my Yamaha dbr10 instead...

Much preferred the QSC sound. The Fender sounded harsh and really metallic in this demo. Would have to hear it in person to get a sense of what is going on.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

The QSC is giving you that studio sound. The Fender is definitely giving more of an amp-like tone. I much prefer it in the room but as you can hear it does not record as well and actually these FR guitar cabs are not really designed to be mic’ed. I like the clarity and punch in the room of the Fender cab over the QSC.

@AnthonyBencomo

10 ай бұрын

It’s doesn’t sound like that in person. It was the recording. It sounds great in person.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

@@AnthonyBencomo The recording doesn’t lie and actually some will prefer having a regular PA speaker as it’s easier to match the stage sound to the FOH sound but the Fender does give more of a ‘guitar cab’ sound. I guess it has been voiced that way for guitar players. I like guitar cabs and I like the features. If it wasn’t for the hiss I would use it.

@harryharris1619

10 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic Why on earth would Fender release an FRFR amp/cab like these that have a 'noticeable hiss'? Obviously comes from the amp itself which in my mind says they were saving a few production dollars in the 1000W class D amp to keep the price down. Next question is why the 1000W? It's great to have the headroom but that to me is overkill. However that figure is probably in line with a few other PA type wedges and such that modelers are using. Many players will use these at home in a more quiet environment and will be sure to notice if it is as has been noted. This is somewhat disappointing and maybe there is some update/upgrade to fix it?

Was hoping to get one of these for use with my UA amp pedals. But sounds like I should hold off for now.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

I’ll follow up…

@stoyantanev8345

10 ай бұрын

Great point. The fact is that Fender sucks lately.

Hi thanks for the review, I have a TMP and intend to use it as my live acoustic / vocal all in one for jams and pub gigs , my question is would you recommend the fender FRFR cab at all for this purpose or would it not project enough sound ?? If not perhaps something like a EV 30m ? have never heard anyone playing a modeler through one before Open to recommendations from someone with real world experience like yourself Thanks

@aaronshortmusic

6 ай бұрын

You could use the Fender for acoustic and vocal but a 30M will have more bass and project the sound better. It really depends on which form factor you prefer. You could also get both systems and mix and match them depending on the gig.

5:10 thank you. Didn't know that.

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

They fixed it in the latest firmware update.

@joejohnson8966

8 ай бұрын

thank you for responding. @@aaronshortmusic

I have a couple Tech 21 Power Engines Deuce Deluxe. I wonder how they stand up against this and other FR FR cabs.

@aaronshortmusic

6 ай бұрын

You would have to compare them. Hopefully they are quieter than this was.

Interesting! Thanks Aaron! How would you compare it to Kemper cabinet realism? Does it get to that level of naturality? Or, as I suspect, is it still in the "FRFR speaker too much clarity to be the real deal" level? Thanks for your time!

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

It doesn’t have the Kemper speaker emulations but it does sound very cab-like. If it wasn’t for the hiss I would use it.

Hey Aaron, I've had good results plugging my QC, HeadRush Prime, FTMP into the "Amp In" on the back of my two Boss Katana MKII 100 watt 2/12's for stereo. It bypasses everything except the wattage and master volume on the amps. It's quiet, and 100 watts through two 2/12's is beyond loud if you want it. Have you tried a Katana MKII 100 1/12 for lighter weight and easier portability?

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

I have but I’m really enjoying my power amp and cab these days.

@sgmarshall3

10 ай бұрын

I use one of the Katanas to power the right output of my Kemper Stage. It works great for the price

@akaerik1

10 ай бұрын

Ive thought about doing the same thing with a catalyst I see the 2x12 units under 4 bills nowadays

The noise of my unit is so low it doesn't matters at all.The Fr 12 is out of stock in all Europe

@aaronshortmusic

5 ай бұрын

Sounds like you got a ‘good’ one!

It has less hiss than my Yamaha DXR10, more than my QSC. 🤷‍♂

Very cool cab. Is it a coaxial speaker or does it have a woofer and tweet separate?

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Woofer and tweeter.

someone on Thomann claimed a lack of loudness...Is this cab loud as a 50W tube amp? is it able to stay in a loud power trio situation with a badass drummer? (as a good tube amp can do)

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

It’s not crazy loud but I think it will be loud enough to play with a drummer if set correctly.

Do you know any modeler that can emulate “amp in the room sound” thru FRFR cabinet, like Line 6 power cab, when same full range speaker can sound like different guitar speakers (creamback, greenback, etc)? Not the sound of a cab recorded with a microphone, as all modelers do…

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Just the Helix and the Kemper when using their Kemper Kab.

I am confused between fender fr12 and the laney lfr 112. Have tried the laney lfr 112 and if you have can i get your 2cents about that and which one do you prefer between the two?

@aaronshortmusic

5 ай бұрын

I have not but I LOVE the Fender. I am really blown away by how great it sounds with my electric guitar rig.

How are you using - are you using a modeller ? I have two atomics and they are really quiet ? And now 10 years old ! Seems very strange I don’t thing a update will change this ! Mine do have a noise but only when planyin very loud

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

They were unplugged and the guitar samples were a loop playing from the Fender Tone Master Pro.

Could the hiss be caused by high compression? What makes it capable of being so loud

@aaronshortmusic

7 ай бұрын

I’m not sure. Some people say it comes from the tweeter.

Great video, what is your experience with QSC CP8 used with a modeler?

@aaronshortmusic

7 ай бұрын

It works well but I would get the K8.2 if possible.

@gianlucamandelli4224

7 ай бұрын

@aaronshortmusic Thank you, I just got it and still haven't the time to try it properly. At first sight I hear it scooped in the middle, isn't it?

@aaronshortmusic

7 ай бұрын

@@gianlucamandelli4224 I don’t think so.

@gianlucamandelli4224

7 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic thank you for the kind feedback.

i don't think there are legs on the Tone Master Princeton.

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

No they are on the Twin.

What settings should the treble mid bass be at if you’re running it through the modeller so it doesn’t colour the sound

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

Everything at noon, cut at zero.

I run a Boss GT1 into a superb small flat setting mixer then unto a power amp unto a pair of 15'' 2 way P.A. top quality full range cabs....there isn't an amp or any other modeller that can intimidate it for grunt and including creamy/throaty tubes tone emulation...including real actual tube amps either. Why destroy a decent modeller by limiting it to a standard guitar amp rig? it's a waste of time.

My TMDR is really quiet. That is a lot of noise for a Tonemaster.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Mine was too…

Will it sound like a good studio monitor ? That's all I need, so I can use all aspects of cab modelling from my Helix ? Thank you.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

It’s an FRFR but a good pair of studio monitors will be stereo and have less noise.

@StratsRUs

10 ай бұрын

​@@aaronshortmusicThank you for your reply.

By the way .. guys, anyone of you who ever tested more than one FRFR amp .. any ideas on the most neutral one ?

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

Supposedly some are more neutral than others but aren’t they all supposed to be neutral?

Sounds to me like big company arrogance: oh, now that we have a modeller we need a a cab as well, cheap and quick. and lets be honest: the EQ is great, but compared to what the Line6 Powercabs can do its more like a 15 year old tech 21 Powercab.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Actually I don’t like the PowerCabs and I do think it’s smart to offer a speaker for your modeler but the hiss is a let down. I hope they figure it out as it sounds great otherwise!

@orangenotviolet

10 ай бұрын

Actually I‘m going to check one out. I want to see if they can knock my chest like a Twin does…..

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

@@orangenotviolet There’s nothing like a 212 Twin but let me know if you hear the hiss that I had.

Are you playing the Tone Master Pro into the Tone Master FR-12?

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Yes. I looped it.

@kellyharrison1081

10 ай бұрын

Thanks, it sounded great. I imagine most of the digital solutions sound good these days. They just have too many options for me. I can't stand menu diving. I wish I did because you can probably get better sounds from a modeler on a consistent basis @@aaronshortmusic

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

@@kellyharrison1081 Yeah. You just have to make a patch and stick to it.

@kellyharrison1081

10 ай бұрын

Wise words! I have had a Kemper for a year and don't know how to make a patch! I just pick an amp profile and play! Once I added a "tube screamer" to the "amp." It sounded better than any "real" amp I've ever owned. @@aaronshortmusic

To preface things, this IS a noisy amp. The culprit is not so much the Class D power section (which is in fact very good quality!), but the preamp - the active EQ section, in particular. The preamp is surprisingly old-school, both in its through-hole PCB construction, and design, which is basically a long chain of opamp gain stages. The problem is that the EQ section alone uses 12 opamp stages, all built around TL084 chips. This is a low-cost part which is also technically "low noise", but its noise performance is pretty poor by modern standards. So, when you stack 12 gain stages worth of these in a row, each slightly amplifying the noise from the previous one, it creates very audible hiss at the output. The EQ controls and volume will do little to tame it, and the high cut control can help a bit - but won't do wonders. The fix is to replace these opamps with modern counterparts, a fairly easy fix if you’re handy with a soldering iron, but not so much if you’re not.

@aaronshortmusic

6 ай бұрын

I hope that Fender will make these improvements during production.

im confused. he says software update? so the fr12 has software?

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

No it doesn’t. The software update is for the Tone Master Pro pedal to fix an issue that would add even more noise to the FR12.

Hi I got a cuestion which amp do you recomend more this one or the princenton is there a great sound difference ? Which are the differences thank you

@aaronshortmusic

5 ай бұрын

This has no preamp like the Princeton ToneMaster. You would need an amp modeler as well.

@cristobalfernandosanchezma5409

5 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic but in sound IS the same ?

@aaronshortmusic

5 ай бұрын

@@cristobalfernandosanchezma5409 No. Different products.

Maybe this is a stupid question, but can anybody tell what kind of cable to use to connect the Fender Tone Master to a Kemper Stage? Just a regular guitarcable or something else?

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

How are you trying to connect it? You would use a regular guitar cable.

@pieterdejongh1

8 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusicThank you for answering! I just ordered th cab, so I haven’t been able to connect it yet. But I guess I have to use the ‘monitor out’ straight into the FR12, right?

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

@@pieterdejongh1 Oh you mean the Kemper to the FR12? Yes but make sure the cabinet is enabled.

I have a powercab+ if my helix is plugged into computer via usb using editor i get some noise

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Is there noise when nothing is connected?

@MotoRiff77

10 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic no it’s a good speaker and like to be played loud

You can cut down the noice floor the more cut you introduce on the amp.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Yes but then you are cutting the high end and it gets too muddy. The QSC speaker doesn’t have a cut and has way less noise.

Did you use a balanced xlr out of the modeler?

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

No but the hiss was there with nothing connected.

Most modelers have L & R outputs. Wish this had two inputs summed to mono. I take it you keep your modeler’s cab sim (IRs) turned on?

@TheChristafershawn

10 ай бұрын

Yes cab sims on.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Yes the cab sim was on since it’s an FRFR cab.

@gordonparrishguitar413

10 ай бұрын

If the frfr is going to sum it to mono why do you need to Use both outs? Why not just use the left out which is usually the mono out?

@tonepilot

10 ай бұрын

@@gordonparrishguitar413The Quad Cortex doesn’t work that way unfortunately. My stereo presets don’t get summed to mono if I just use the Left Out.

@gordonparrishguitar413

10 ай бұрын

@@tonepilot oh I didn’t realise that! That’s a shame…the left out is usually a mono out. Bit of an oversight

Shoot-out .

Recent comments elsewhere claim the newer units do not have the hiss issue. I can't confirm though. Anyone?

@aaronshortmusic

6 ай бұрын

Seems to be a mixed bag. If I experience one without hiss I will post an updated video.

@musiccreation1198

6 ай бұрын

What would be a better option? Red Sound? Atomic?@@aaronshortmusic

@aaronshortmusic

6 ай бұрын

@@musiccreation1198 How about a QSC K8.2?

@musiccreation1198

6 ай бұрын

After watching several "hiss test" videos posted in the last 4-6 weeks, the hiss issue appears to be gone. I love QSC monitors, but not for "amp in the room". I guess if you put an EQ on every preset it would sound pretty good, but that's a pain in the booty@@aaronshortmusic

@aaronshortmusic

6 ай бұрын

@@musiccreation1198 I don’t think it has but if you get one please let me know.

Can you compare vs Laney FRFR 112?

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

I returned the Fender.

Can you demo your Kemper through it and provide a sample.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

I don’t have a Kemper now I have a Neural Quad Cortex. I was going to try it through it but with the noise I think I’m going to return it and wait to see if it gets improved.

Perhaps you have the volume on the fr too high

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Volume on the Fender was at zero with everything unplugged. Volume on the QSC was at max on both channels with everything unplugged and was still quieter.

@BobbyCulpepper.srv3fender

10 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic perhaps its a defective unit

Update: I received my Fender FR 12 today. Quiet as a mouse.

@aaronshortmusic

5 ай бұрын

Where did you purchase? Was your previous one noisy?

@musiccreation1198

5 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic Sweetwater. I never had a previous one. Confirmed to me that many from the early shipment were noisy. Fixed.

@aaronshortmusic

5 ай бұрын

@@musiccreation1198 Well mine arrives tomorrow so let’s see!

@musiccreation1198

5 ай бұрын

@@aaronshortmusic Get it?

@aaronshortmusic

5 ай бұрын

@@musiccreation1198 Yeah check out my video from tonight!

Both Fr-10 & Fr-12 make noise even at level 0 or without anything plugged in them. How can this be a good FRFR … yes I have the FR-12 so I know first hand

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing. It’s disappointing.

@stoyantanev8345

10 ай бұрын

Fender became arogant and sloppy.

Geeze that hiss is bad.

@aaronshortmusic

9 ай бұрын

Yeah. I tried a second unit as well and it was the same.

Yikes. QSC sounded much better.

The QSC sounds much better it’s not even close. The fender sounds like garbage and the noise floor is totally unacceptable.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

I have to say in the room the Fender sounds more immediate like a traditional guitar cab. I’m not surprised that the PA speaker translates better in the video. I do not like the noise though.

@AnthonyBencomo

10 ай бұрын

It doesn’t sound that bad in person. This was a poor representation of the speaker. The qsc however really does sound that good.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

@@AnthonyBencomo I don’t know how it can be a poor representation when it was mic’ed exactly the same as the QSC and used the same loop in both examples.

Still too heavy for me.

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

I don’t see how a 12” speaker with a 1000 watt amp could be much less than 27’6 lbs. The 10” version is 25.6 lbs.

@liedgitarrist

10 ай бұрын

I have a DV Mark 2x12 cabinet that is 12 kilos. With the power amp I built in it is 13. And GRguitar builds active 1x12s at 6 kilo. It is possible. 😉

@aaronshortmusic

10 ай бұрын

@@liedgitarristSometimes heavier cabs can sound better… The Fender cab really sounds excellent I just don’t like the hiss.

@liedgitarrist

10 ай бұрын

sometimes they do, but my DV mark sounds really fantastic. I changed the speakers to Jensen Neo Tornados for a big warm sound.@@aaronshortmusic

@jeffwilson6724

2 ай бұрын

@@liedgitarrist So this is too heavy, but your home built solution is heavier?

Terrible product. A high noise floor? Should be a clean power amp with a very high snr and low noise floor. Junk.

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

I hope they reengineer it.

I think this is next expensive shit from fender ! I prefer my Two rock Studio Pro 35 watt , mike and some stage monitor and is no noise !!! at all

@aaronshortmusic

8 ай бұрын

Yes but that is a single amp that costs $4000. Of course they are different things with different pros and cons.