I quite enjoyed this one. It's eye openning to see such a subject having this diverse range of opinions and subtleties.

i didn't realize i was already following the 4b unintentionally

no ones going to actually say they support the 4B movement if you ask them straight up like that, exposing their face on the internet in front of your hundreds of thousands of subscribers.

@user-vs1no7ku4r

15 күн бұрын

They can ask the interviewer to blur the face and voice if they want. And this interviewer is a nigerian, not a korean. It's a good interview.

@wearethereds

15 күн бұрын

@@user-vs1no7ku4r If you know the way people who admit they are “feminists” especially radical feminists (which is what people who practice 4b are) are literally crucified here, you would know that its terrifying to ever even imply any support for the movement. I also didn’t mean that its not a good interview, as a korean woman myself who lives in korea, i appreciate the interviewer’s attempt to cover the topic as i think its an important social discussion to have. I just can’t say it induces full transparency.

00:00 📈 The 4B movement in South Korea challenges traditional gender norms. 01:23 💬 Feminism in Korea aims to address patriarchal societal structures. 02:33 💍 Many young Koreans are hesitant about marriage and prioritize personal goals. 03:18 📰 The 4B movement has waned in media coverage since its peak in 2020. 04:04 🌐 Economic factors significantly influence attitudes towards marriage and childbirth. 07:42 🤝 Societal pressures in Korea discourage vocal support for feminist movements. 09:11 🧐 Misconceptions about Korea's low birth rate often overlook economic challenges. 10:01 🤷‍♀ Not all Korean women support the 4B movement; many prioritize traditional family values. 11:18 🙅‍♀ Encouraging everyone to follow the 4B movement may not resonate with all individuals. 11:47 ❤ Building a healthy relationship involves understanding each other's behavior and attitudes.

@amnostudios

Ай бұрын

wow cool

@propertymanager9149

Ай бұрын

should say most korean women dont support 4b movement what is this biased timestamp

But isn’t it only a small fraction of Korean women engaged in this movement? I hear most Koreans never heard of 4B.

@sugarzblossom8168

Ай бұрын

And people think that is a reason for other countries not to take part.

@TravelWithNala

Ай бұрын

Yeah as a person with a foot in both camps, I only hear Americans talking about it. I've never heard it mentioned or referred to once while in Korea. It's definitely an American narrative.

@Faukin

Ай бұрын

For the people who live hard af for themselves dont need to think about this kinda shxt.

@volumeup631

Ай бұрын

it's really weird how in a worldwide scale we learnt about this movement that not the natives know apparently

@user-hg5pp9xz9x

Ай бұрын

As a Korean woman, I don't know why there's so much wrong information about korea on the internet these days... I got to know about 4B movement from watching an American TikTok video hahah if you ask to korean people that how do you think about 4B ? People would say what is it?

Birth rates are not bc of 4B. A lot of people don't know that hong kong (I believe lower than s. korea), japan, and china's birthrates are low as well. This is what tends to happen in rapid growing late stage capitalist countries. It becomes hard to raise families and buy homes. The USA is following the same trend soon. Politicians are worried birthrates will fall to near 1 and below in the near future for gen z and alpha. Even Canada is 1.33 right now bc of the cost of living.

@user-cnksi223

Ай бұрын

The relatively high birth rates in the United States and Europe are due to the high birth rates of immigrants. And more than 60% are children born out of wedlock there.

@justinlook3531

Ай бұрын

@@user-cnksi223 yes it's propped up by immigration. A lot of US citizens from the younger gen are not having kids. It's really the fault of politicians bc they allowed corps to buy up all houses, jack up rent, jack up price of food, etc.

@BeachandHills-hb2pq

22 күн бұрын

replacement is 2.1 so 1.33 is bad just after 3 genrations 6o years. 1000 adults is then 650 then 442 then 224 kids. 1000 60 year old 650 40 year olds and 442 20years old and 224 kids.

@manofsesame3024

11 күн бұрын

Singapore’s birth rate is similar to Korea. But Singapore as an English speaking country has a lot of migrant workers from other ASEAN countries plus India and Pakistan

@kruzedarling9347

7 күн бұрын

@@BeachandHills-hb2pqCan u explain to me why it’s a “bad” thing that birthdates decline?

I really enjoy watching your videos! Thank you!

Well I can say that it's different depends on what groups they belong to. I'm 30 years old korean woman, many of my friends engage in 4B movement intentionally. For me it's not a minor thing, very common thing.

@user-qi7o0dr54h8rq

21 күн бұрын

Me too. i agree

it's crazy how simply advocating for women's rights creates so much tension lmao. also that thumbnail is the best way to kip the gender war going... 👏🏿 👏🏿 👏🏿

@lilmamagc

27 күн бұрын

just like slavery, when they wanted to abolish it they started a while war

@Ariadne4

23 күн бұрын

Now they see who really are the pillars of society. This is the result of ignoring women and their importance to society. Now women have started standing up for themselves more, so the society has no option other than to treat them right

@jillthompson6110

19 күн бұрын

Yah, but what that girl at 10:03 said. You can be a feminist and an advocate of women's rights, without foregoing on sex, marriage, dating, and birth. Denying yourself natural human instincts is not true feminism. It's radicalism. Of course you have the right to do that to yourself, but don't try to force it on other people.

@RougeLino

19 күн бұрын

@@jillthompson6110 and I fully agree with you. there's many women who are trying to turn feminism into woman supremacy but real feminists like chimamanda adiche (I'd suggest everyone to read her stuff) are against that new wave.

@skillbopster

13 күн бұрын

That's not what they are advocating though is it? 4B is misandrist incel.

Jerry... someone has to put you prime time💯 Well done!!

Nice job. Keep up the substantive interviews!

J'ai adoré votre sujet pour cette vidéo ❤

0:54 ANNA LEE WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE😭😹💖

It was a welcome surprise to see Anna Lee in this video!

@ashleyspurling5701

20 күн бұрын

Which one is she? Also who is she?

@Rascilon25

20 күн бұрын

@@ashleyspurling5701 At 0:53 and she's a KZread Influencer.

Great topic and covered very well by the different interviewees. Anna was very professional and well thought as always. its interesting that 4b keeps coming up and I now hear it being brought up an awful lot in the U.S.. in conjunction with our rapidly declining birthrates. The truth is, this is something that media and government seem to be bringing to the forefront in order to point misplaced blame. The truth about our declining birthrates is very much as Anna clearly stated: it is an economic issue, it is an issue of policy failure. People can barely afford to take care of themselves anymore. The average cost of a home, where I live is over a million dollars and the price keeps rising despite the fact that so many of them sit empty, and the average employee salary is barely enough to cover rent. Rising inflation related to food is completely out of control. People are just acknowledging a growing problem with no end in site and are doing the responsible thing by not creating families. Also (and I admit I learned a lot about this from Park JImin (no joke) ) feminism, even radical feminism, is about true equality...full stop. There needs to be more differentiation between the different movements, so as not to stoke hate based on misunderstandings.

Love this topic, keep going!

@user-sd3kl4yo7m

Ай бұрын

지금 한국은 안티페미나스트 반페미니스트 열풍이 아주 정당하고 양성평등하게 불고있다 반양성평등 남성인권 탄압하는 인간이구나

Great video!

Gracias. Hace falta más contenido sobre este tema

As a Korean, let me explain the current situation in Korea. Currently, the country is at the height of gender conflict, and they are quiet offline but only speak ill of each other online. This situation was not just created recently, but a topic that began to burn up a little over a decade or two ago. There is also something foreigners should not misunderstand, and Korean feminism is never intended to eliminate "sex discrimination." They are 99 percent radical feminists and speak out only for the benefit of "biological women." We call them "buffet feminism." They avoid responsibility and cherry-pick only their own interests. One of the reasons gender conflict is getting serious now that, beyond the rise of women's human rights, reverse discrimination among young men is currently emerging. Of course, from the 1950s to the 1980s to the 1990s, Korea was in a patriarchal atmosphere, but the problem is that women in their teens and 30s who are not discriminated against women force their sacrifice on men in their teens and 30s who have never discriminated against women in modern society. And what's even funnier is that the people at the forefront of this movement are really men in their 50s and 60s who really smashed women's rights, and that's not all. South Korea is currently at a truce with North Korea, and men with good physical health through conscription have almost two years of national defense. Now, the military has been overhauled a lot, but only 10 years ago, they were paid about $70 a month. It gets less and less as we go back in time. We risk not being able to go home for two years in our feisty twenties and dying in training. Just a few days ago, two trainees died. But up until this point, the men didn't care about women not going to the military. Rather, the idea was that I would sacrifice myself because I couldn't put my mother, girlfriend, sister, and sister in danger. But as time went on, women started to take it for granted. They joke that men grow up to go to the military without even going to the military. Would you believe some women mocking soldiers who died in small battles with North Korea or died in training? And all they're saying is, have we sent our troops back? You know what these feminists said, even though they were giving small marks to men who had done their military duty as compensation for applying for civil service? This led to the disappearance of the score - women can't even go to the military, but only men can score points. (Women can actually join the military as cadres, not regular soldiers). Since then, there have been occasions such as scuttling soldiers to a free coffee event at a Starbucks, and disparaging men under 180 cm as losers. There will be numerous instances, if you look them up. But the truth is, this is not the end. Politicians are also responsible for igniting gender conflict. They provide about $4,400 for women's apartments, women's parking lots, prostitution subsidies (which is illegal in Korea), and Koreans' men of national merit receive about $146 a month. South Korea has a very high poverty rate and suicide rate among the elderly. Well, the gender conflict in Korea means that many complex elements are intertwined. And this gender conflict naturally affects the fertility rate, but in fact, Korea's current national pension and real estate problems are quite big. Because people in their 40s and 60s who lived in the patriarchal era are sucking the blood of young people, the fertility rate in Korea will never rise. Because Korean politicians are only trying to get votes, so they only put out policies for baby boomers, 40s and 60s, and the fact that real estate prices don't go down. One more thing: There is currently a female conscription service as a hot potato. Because the number of soldiers being recruited at a time when the birth rate is decreasing, and this is directly related to security. But politicians will "never" try to implement a female conscription service. Why? They don't want to lose women's votes. As an alternative, they are lowering the bar for conscription, thereby taking in more men who are mentally challenged or unwell. Who knows? Maybe they are trying to extend their military service. The last thing I want to say is that there is a growing number of pessimists in Korea. In a few decades, Korea will become a naturally extinct country haha.🤣

I heard about the Korean 4B movement in 2020 when it was at its peak. It was in online news because Korean men were upset about a guesture on an ad. But it really doesn’t matter if most Korean women don’t know about 4B. Or many could be practicing 4B and moving in silence. However, some Western women have decided to give it a go. Actually, there have been pockets of western women “Decentering Men” (similar to 4B) long before someone decided to name it West 4B. The one comment I don’t understand is how 4B equates to hating men. Choosing not to date, marry, procreate or have intimate relationships with a man doesn’t mean you hate men. Maybe these women simply want peaceful, stress-free lives without the headache relationships, marriage and children can bring. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@TheFefaadri

Ай бұрын

Looking the way I choose to live, you could say that I take part in the movement (4B), but in reality I just want peace. Infortunally, in today's society, the cost of reproduction is mainly for the women.

@DuoMaxwellDS

Ай бұрын

Because everyone keep using it as a preface for the extremism activities. The reason it was stomped out so quickly in Korean because they even called for killing baby.

@Karznax

Ай бұрын

In korea, a man can get sued for just LOOKING at women the wrong way... And there have been numerous cases where women falsely accused men for sxual assault to extort money, resulting in the death of men's social and professional life even if proven to be innocent. They DEFINITELY don't want a peaceful stress-free life.

@masashikami3668

23 күн бұрын

Sometimes I pity the parents of people like this I really do

@hers6694

17 күн бұрын

I heard in Korea (or some Asian countries) that it's basically like giving your life to housework, children, and your husband. I don't blame Korean women at ALL for not wanting to be held down in such a gross way.

Great channel

Wait- that's Anna Lee! I watch her channel too! I love when worlds cross. This was a nice video, good to hear the different perspectives and the nuances of different movements around the world

@SGA201

8 күн бұрын

Yes, I was hoping I wasnt the only one who noticed her. Would love to see the two of them do a chat on her blog.

yes! 👏 finally!

Low birth rate in Korea is because it's so expensive to raise your kids in this Korean competitive environment

@jillthompson6110

19 күн бұрын

Most of that is self-inflicted. Typical Korean family spend all their income on private tutoring classes to pass the entrance exams, expensive baby clothes/accessories, and other needless status symbols that does nothing to raise children properly, but only harms them. Cut out all that needless costs, and SKorea is one of the most affordable places to raise children, due to all the free subsidized government support, including free lunches in schools, free daycare, generous monthly baby cash bonuses, and first choice for government subsidized cheaper housing. The Korean competitive environment will soon disappear also, as there are less and less younger people and more and more jobs will have no people. Millions of older baby boomer Koreans are going to be retiring in the next 5 years, and there's not enough young folks to fill those jobs.

In SK it’s so difficult for women. They are treated badly and some have lots of problems with their bosses, sexism,etc. If you are a mother it’s difficult to find a job again. That’s not an friendly environment to raise children. It’s logical that lots of them don’t want kids because of all the disadvantages they have to face then. There’s a lot going wrong that leaded to this.

@user-vs1no7ku4r

11 күн бұрын

Even if you are a father, it is a very difficult environment. Since the wife cannot get a job, the husband has to cover all the income while overworked, and it is also difficult to use parental leave stipulated by law at work. It is not just difficult for women, but it is a harsh workplace culture for young women and young men. Most of the people in the high-ranking positions in the workplace are in their 50s, and 60s. A hell exploiting the younger generation.

@kerstingravel8160

11 күн бұрын

@@user-vs1no7ku4r You’re absolutely right, it’s terrible for men too and a lot of pressure.

@emsw4266

6 күн бұрын

You can say All Asian😂I'm from Taiwan we have the same problem here. alos I don't think this world need more human,we're overpopulation anyway.

Oh ! It was a surprise to see Anna lee appeared in this video xD

As a Korean, I have never heard of the 4B moment. It's just a shadowy culture that only happens online. Foreigners, don't exaggerate. The reason the birth rate is low is because of materialism.

@supriyapaul6426

Ай бұрын

If you are korean then protect your culture this so called feminism knowledge of western never accept. We are Asian our own culture is our priority. From IND in our country we are facing this problem

@glocar243

Ай бұрын

The reason not to have children is a woman’s decision, sometimes supported by a feminist man. Do not underestimate the decision of women and of the men that support them. If you are pressured by a patriarchal and demanding society to compete, have money and be the best, it is not a materialistic choice. It’s a protecting one.

@joyid

Ай бұрын

@@supriyapaul6426 cringe reply

@noparkingnomercy3248

Ай бұрын

I think some of the comments were somewhat correct. There are economic and social reasons why couples are foregoing having children. If a single income family cannot bear the costs of having children then the wife must also have to find a job. But wives who work also bear most of the burden of housework and child care. That makes most woment hesitant to marry or have a child.

@Rjcuatrocinco

Ай бұрын

Materialism or unsustainable cost of living🤔

Nice topic ❤

Thank you

Hope you make more videos on topics like this

11:32 great advice! 👏

This was good. answered some questions for me.

Hey could you please make a video on interpreters and translators job in South korea there experience and salary and also could you provide information about foreigners who liv in korea but do freelancing jobs for worldwide companies or on worldwide freelancing sites which visa the use. It will be really great help.

And good luck Jerry. I like your contents

Keep up the good fight ladies of SK! There is a lot of love and support from the United States for all of you.

4b 운동 이라는 거를 외국인한테 처음 들어봄 ㅋㅋㅋ

@hey__you

24 күн бұрын

요즘 틱톡에서 엄청 떴어용

@fhslmdue

19 күн бұрын

오프라인엔 없고 온라인, 특히 틱톡에서 유행하는것 보면 주동자가 어디에 뿌리를 두고 있는지 알 것 같네요...

@oishyzaman5513

7 күн бұрын

​@@fhslmdue it does exist Women can't speak up

@oishyzaman5513

7 күн бұрын

​@@fhslmdue they get beaten up literally look at convenience store girl? She got beaten up by a man for having short hair

@junlee7386

4 күн бұрын

@@oishyzaman5513 a single case

I have a question. How do you go to these people that you always interview do many ignore you before you find a person who is ready to talk? because I heard when you talk on streets to people mostly they ignore you because they might think you are from a cult or something and in korea people dont talk just like that to each other???

It would be interesting to have this video with more people and maybe 30 minutes to cover wider range of opinions.

Love That Girl In The Black Leather Jacket!

8:22 she is so smart. I love her perspective. All so smart women I love you all. Mwahhh

With you ladies!!! 🇰🇷❤️🇺🇸

Read Flowers of Fire, powerful!

omg anna lee is here

It's economics. Men don't want to pay.

I feel like this these are just symptoms. The real issue is probably a bad abusive childhood from their dad or being treated a second class citizen compared to a boy son, so they are angry and they don’t want to deal with men and children. Good to see Anna here.

@9y2bgy

Ай бұрын

@@ahzigos You don't think it's that bad to be treated as second class citizen?

@enok11

Ай бұрын

Treated secondly by their parents? Nope. I don't exactly grasp what kind abuse you mean, but I am sure Korean women in more than mid 40 of their age could experience that kind of abusive treatment from their parents. But not behind 40. They might have had hurtful feelings from their parents forceful admonition to be a girly girl. You know, traditional gender-specific decorum like as in American rural christian family in the old days. But I am not sure that's fit into the real abuse.

@kant.68

Ай бұрын

How are women treated like second class citizens !?

@kant.68

Ай бұрын

@@ahzigos 2) How is this relevant or a sign of transversal subordination based on gender? I’ve heard about horror stories about bosses in koran companies. I bet ment must perform other extra tasks and I bet way more hard than washing some dishes. Is like Japan you must do extra bs for your bosses just because they are above you. Is a very stupid example to brought up. It just shows how korean companies see their employers as a whole: utilities. 3) I’ve watched many videos about korean families and daily vlogs from Korea and all the men were involved in daily chores. And probably must of the fixings and reparations are done by men anyway so it seems to be 50/50. But still this is such a non issue IMO, who care who is washing what in X house? Since when feminism is fighting about who takes out the trash? Is none of your business, each family organize themselves as they see fit. Maybes women have more free time or men care less about this things. 4) Most of the pressure I see online about female bodies is from other women. Korean society is extremely competitive and superficial, is not a feminist problem is a societal problem. And women in 2024 are way more fixated with how they look than women in 1924 so is not like feminism is doing nothing to change that. Makeup, fashion, surgeries, fitness, purses, shoes…in 2024 are billion dollar industries. Maybe women just like to feel pretty. But I agree it can be too much specially for young women. The solution? That solution is anti feminist: going back in time. Like things were before and female beauty not related to big boobs or big butt or big lips but other qualities.

@kant.68

Ай бұрын

@@ahzigos 1) If you go to (MIT Sloan School) and you write down SK paygap you’ll see the reasons why. There are more men working in SK . On average people in Seoul make more than people in Incheon. There’s a regional paygap but is not opression nor morally wrong nor evil. Circumstances are different and Seoul makes more money that’s all.

4B운동을 일반화 시켜서, 질문하는건 잘못된 것입니다. 그 질문이 여성의 평등과 관계없습니다.

I don’t see how people can divorce feminism from the economy. Feminism is an economic choice. A choice not to be a poor mother or an indebted wife and mother. Feminism and the economy go hand in hand.

I feel like except for that lovely queer lady, lots of them are not thinking about the bigger picture and not really understanding the full context of these ideas, nobody is against falling in love smh

@prohightension2000

14 күн бұрын

So if they have different opinion from you, they're not seeing the great picture? Or maybe you don't really see the picture in Korea fully

@skillbopster

13 күн бұрын

4b says to not even be-friend a man so stop lying.

my friend who is a programmer making six figures was introduced to a woman from korea. as they got to know each other through phone she asks him do you have a college degree. he said no. she responds, well i already have my masters and so i dont think we'll be compatible with each other. they're no longer "dating"

@ns645

17 күн бұрын

That's pretty common in Korea. If there's a huge gap in achievement, people usually break up. For example, if two students are dating in university and one person scores in the top percentile, and the other is quite average, they break up.

@skillbopster

12 күн бұрын

They are very credentialist which verges on snobbery and elitist.

@oishyzaman5513

7 күн бұрын

Because they're raised as no degree means no future but outside Asia it's not true

@Cxs1a3

6 күн бұрын

First off, the reason that people give is not necessarily the real reason. Second off, not everyone from the same race/country/whatever thinks alike.

Anna! Haha

Cult? 🤣🤣🤣 Honestly, a bit cult-ish I feel

My Korean gf and her friends told me that feminism is harshly frowned upon in Korea. They blame feminism for the reason the birth rate is low. If you are found to be a feminist you can get bullied online and they go as far as to ask your workplace to fire you. It's a bit mind-boggling considering the difference in how women are treated in North America.

@senorfootball2460

Ай бұрын

yup, there is a reason Barbie did poorly in South Korea

@SRBOMBONICA86

Ай бұрын

Thats good

@Karznax

Ай бұрын

There, a man can get sued for just LOOKING at women the wrong way... And there have been numerous cases where women falsely accused men for sxual assault to extort money, resulting in the death of men's social and professional life even if proven to be innocent. There's a good reason why feminism is frowned upon there.

@hey_you.

Ай бұрын

​@@SRBOMBONICA86 It's not.!

@Unknown-lq8qw

Ай бұрын

You're originally from Iran, is feminism there the same as the history of feminism in the U.S. And just because feminism is weak there, does that mean that women are all treated badly and men are all bad? The United States has a longer history of feminism and women's rights activism than South Korea. The reason why the term feminism is negative in Korea is largely due to the early activities of extremist feminist groups. And not everyone blames feminism for the low birth rate. It's just a few stupid people saying it in internet comments. Being fired from your job for being a feminist is also not common at all. There are rumors and stories of a few incidents on the internet but how many are there in total? 5, 10 or less? Not common.

They were babies once and they don’t wanna take responsibility

i love how they all have good insight and individual perspectives, all of these women seem really smart and cool. i love the queer woman highlighting the lack of solidarity within the radical feminist movement towards queer people and the division it causes, she hit it out of the park.

That doesn't sound like a feminism

해방촌 인터뷰 보고 옴 ㅋㅋㅋ

The vibe I get is feminism used to be fashionable but it is not anymore. The real issue is super competitive society and super charged hypergamy. By the time men and women think they are successful enough to marry (especially given high housing cost, etc.), they are well into 30''s and are very picky. Recently men have been pushing back partially in reaction to militant feminism and golddiggers - they don't want to marry old women. Things will continue to get worse before getting better, and there will be a lost generation - refer to "makeinu" in Japan which had similar social problems in the past.

I think people should just be happy, it is up to them

I love individual choice!❤ Certainly even as a kid I NEVER CARED THE THOUGHT to having kids. And now of course..not! Don't have the mind for it let alone intrest. Plus I love a lot of things and not feather babies. Also the practical parts.

Average salary is $34,000...Jesus!😰

I really enjoyed researching feminism and other social issues in south korea. Patriarchy is so much bigger, there, compared to other OECD countries. Just interesting to have such a massive economical growth but not really advancing their social system fast enough.

@SRBOMBONICA86

Ай бұрын

They dont need feminism

@itsoctobra

Ай бұрын

@@SRBOMBONICA86 I didn't ask you

@user-cnksi223

Ай бұрын

Originally, the older and current generations in Korea grew up in completely different industrial structures, so their ways of thinking are entirely different. Therefore, Korea shouldn't be interpreted simplistically. If I were to say, "America is a country where the slave system was deeply entrenched,"rn. how would you feel?

The blue jacket girl who said she wants to make a good family is amazing and the black jacket tooo she very intelligent and kind i think

10:49 💯🙏🏻

😂😂😂RIP Korea

Anna chill lmao

8:02 Yes.

In countries where many women have post secondary education, the birth rate goes down dramatically, and regardless of the label put on them, they are much more "feminist" in their outlook than countries wherein women have low education. By feminist I mean women EXPECT to have equal rights as men, equal chance for jobs, value career over having children, and so on. I hope we get to the point where these traits are not under the term "feminism" but rather things that both women and men accept as the norm. Seeing as human resources is one of the most important resources we have, we have wasted 50% of that for millennia. We gotta do better.

@ecs1e

Ай бұрын

That's a very subjective view to say they are being wasted in terms of dollars and cents. A lot of them would prefer raising a family and have somebody else earn money, cuz even in the most "equal" societies, most women do relatively low-pay unskilled jobs that they wish they could escape, cashiers, waitresses, supermarkets are the realistic jobs most of them will be in. if you think the alternative to the traditional role is most of them becoming engineers, doctors, corporate superstars, that's just unrealistic.

@kumbawolf

Ай бұрын

Other factors affect this obviously, but basically as two household income became the median, two household income has now become the minimum to stay in the median. We have lost the narrative of equal rights for women who "choose" to go in the workplace. They gotta work. It hadn't been a waste of human resources. They've just be reallocated to different and new production lines of society.

@9y2bgy

Ай бұрын

@@kumbawolf I should clarify what I mean by "wasted" for I agree with much of what you posted. I mean to say that the potential for women IF THEY CHOOSE to do other things than stay at home raising children was systemically barred for millennia. That they contributed to social well being is without question. But it is a fact that they were considered chattel for thousands of years, barred from attaining high education, from having jobs that were traditionally for men only, etc. Men were expected to be the breadwinner, and society looked down upon them if they shirked this responsibility. However, they were not legally barred from staying at home or have no job or do what was normally expected of for women. In short, the waste I'm talking about is the potential for women to contribute in ways other than through traditional means. That potential was always granted to men but not women.

@9y2bgy

Ай бұрын

@@ecs1e I didn't imply that they all choose white collar jobs with high pay and high social status. What I mean is that they were legally barred from doing anything other than staying at home raising the family Were men legally barred from staying at home instead of working? They would have been denigrated, sure, but there was no law to prevent them from staying at home and doing housework and raising kids if they so chose. If they chose to attain higher education, there were legally allowed as opposed to women.

@ecs1e

Ай бұрын

@@9y2bgy The vast majority of men at that time were peasants who did crap work and got paid barely enough to survive. The idea that most of the jobs at that time is a privilige that woman would want, I mean even till today most women avoid those kinds of jobs. The problem is when you think of women not being allowed to work, you think of women not being allowed to be doctors , lawyers, engineers, when realistically iif they had the "privilige" of being able to work, they could've only been janitors, garbageman, construction workers, unless they are born into a noble family, which obviously is a small minority.

Unrelated to the subject of this video: I am so impressed with the women he interviewed. They were courteous, they were respectful, and they were all feminine and beautiful. Even the young ladies who spoke positively on the feminist movement were open to discussing their viewpoint. Some people may not find this amazing but coming from the U.S. it is not normal for a man to be able to ask women questions and have an informed conversation and not be in conflict with each other.

@ecs1e

Ай бұрын

That's the stereotype of East-Asian women, feminine, academic.

Women work to abolish that.. But the government has to work ,if the government is the first chauvinist is sad

The topic of 4B to Korean women should be reassessed by a coalition of intellectual Korean women consisting of professional women that for and against the concept. It seems that Korean society and the role of women currently has some areas that need improvement but change without considering impact should be assessed. If marriage, children, relationships are boycotted by women, the question might be 'which' women? Elderly women, Uneducated women, Handicapped women? As we age, everyone starts losing abilities, which without support groups, those unable to work, move, talk, hear, see makes us vulnerable in survival. Who provides the bulk of income currently? Who provides the bulk of home care? In China, scores of women are selective about deciding on marriage or who they marriage, there are scores of unmarried men and women, which the population is getting smaller. This is a social-economic-political issue that will have impact on South Korean population. What happens if Korean men seek spouses from the Phillipines, Thailand, Indonesia? How will that impact Korean society? The movement might have some issues to support, but the consequences might have implications that aren't positive for either men, women or the next generation.

3:33 SOURCES? No…not ALL have to participate ladies. But many of us have already been doing this, and stay tuned about updates on all our social media while we have fun in our celibate tea parties! 🎉 💃🏻😺🙀😽😼😻😹

More South Korean women goes to universities than Korean men, they earn more money (given the job and jobtitle is the same), they don't have to serve in the army for 2 years (so they start their education and career earlier than men), more Korean women initiate divorce and the Korean divorce court is extremely favorable for women, you can sue any men SO EASILY in Korea even for a false accusation (and the entire law system is favorable to women) so men are afraid of doing anything with Korean women. i'm a Korean currently living in Korea, so idk what all the foreingers pretending to be "experts" of Korean society are talking about. They think South Korea is some outdated medieval style patriarchy society when it's even more radically feminized than most Western countries now. there's a huge movement among Korean men basically affirming to never touch or do anything with Korean women because it's a legitimate legal danger to them that can ruin one's life entirely.

@SaraA-cv1vh

4 күн бұрын

Womp womp😂

@roxyglow9670

3 күн бұрын

sure clown😂😂

@user-cz5fy8fl7c

9 сағат бұрын

@@SaraA-cv1vhIts a fact tho. The ppl of south korean women and men dont even know what 4b is Its not a thing in korea actually.

카리나같이 생긴애들이 4B한다고하면 진짜 뜻이있구나 생각하지.. 근데 죄다 배리나같이 생긴애들이 4B한다고 그러니 웃음만나옴 ㅋㅋㅋ

you have to ask south korean men to exaclty know what the feminism really looks like in south korea, i.e. KOREANIZED FEMINISM.

@lornam1142

Ай бұрын

Why? Wouldn’t they be biased? The negative perception of feminism in South Korea is due to media hyper focusing on the toxic minority.

@bunnystrasse

Ай бұрын

What exactly is Koreanised feminism

@JinroToad

Ай бұрын

​@@lornam1142Problem is that they were not just loud minority. They actually got support from the government and many politicians including ex president. It's very complicated issue.

@lornam1142

Ай бұрын

@@JinroToad It was a loud minority of feminists. I don’t think the former President endorsed man-hating. The current President is an ardent anti-feminist, and now lives for men are becoming worse because he is attacking workers’ rights.

I saw worlds economy ranking and sk listed the 4th largest economy in Asia and the 14th largest in the world as of 2024. Even if this data is incorrect, having hard times economically is from all times. For example, china and japan also have very strong economy but over there are birthrates also declining. The only common cultural aspect is the strict patriarchal society. It seems that women, even without knowing nothing about 4B and what it stands for, getting aware of their low-ranked place as the obedient caregiver to parents, husband, children, in-laws, male bosses, I think they seize the happy and free life and will not ask for permission any more. Women starting to realise they are human too. It’s not actuality equality they seek, it’s fairness,

I am all for equality. Men and women should have the same right, therefore, both men and women should serve in the korean military for 2 years.

@bunnystrasse

Ай бұрын

YES

As a man, I've always been a feminist ever since I was a kid, I often questioned the shit that women go through. The belief that "it's a man's world" never made sense to me so I didn't accept it. Imagine your daughter, mother, Aunty, sister, girlfriend/wife, friend or just any woman in general being unfairly treated, abused etc, I would fight anyone to protect my loved ones and women's rights, Infact everyone's rights. People who lack empathy are narcissists and they are ruining the world. Empathy is one of the most important traits because it gives us the ability to view things from different perspectives, to mirror someone's life and understand what they're going through. Empathy connects us, keeps us balanced and caring for each other. If we didn't have it, peace and love as you know it wouldn't exist. We had to pass through the legs of / through a woman to be here, we need women so treat them with love and treat them as equals. Feminism isn't just the works of human's awareness and desire for change, it's the doing of evolution. With every action, there's a reaction, that's a scientific fact. So it's no surprise that the world is becoming more aware and fighting for equality and positive changes. As someone who loves science and philosophy - my philosophical view of the universe is that "we are the universe experiencing and understanding itself and finding purpose." One of the obvious purposes in life is to survive. So women all over the world, go live your life, survive and do what makes you happy, ignore the brainless haters. You are the universe (scientific fact) so start living like it. Love you South Korea 🇰🇷 and all women around the world ❤️

@RomellRonin

Ай бұрын

🤔

@dripxenseixensei3822

Ай бұрын

@@RomellRonin do you have something to say? Don't be afraid to speak your mind 😂

@RomellRonin

Ай бұрын

@@dripxenseixensei3822 I said it already, 🤔 means I find what you wrote questionable. I’ve said what I had to say, I don’t need to write an essay to express myself.

@dripxenseixensei3822

Ай бұрын

@@RomellRonin what exactly is questionable? You need to be more specific. You either agree or disagree with me. If you disagree, then give your reason. What I said was from a logical standpoint. If you disagree with me, then you're exposing yourself as not wanting to support women - not wanting equality and lacking empathy so choose your words wisely.

@RomellRonin

Ай бұрын

@@dripxenseixensei3822 yeah I’m exposing myself…sure 😒👍🏽. Choose my words wisely, right like I fear internet keyboard warriors. And you’re right I do disagree with you and find what you say questionable. Does that make me a woman hater no, I just think you’re pandering

Men talking about how men have to go to military and not women; just WHO do you think made those rules in the first place?

@OezgeSebisteri

10 күн бұрын

The ruling class (which is propably below 0,1 percent of men) did it for the protection of women and children. Don't act stupid here.

Hey good video but it is not necessary for the guests to look into the camera when they talk just let them have natural conversation with you👍

Vidéo intéressante qui montre juste que finalement que ce soit en Corée ou ailleurs les problèmes sont les mêmes….les relations hommes femmes restent compliquées, le mariage reste une loterie, ainsi va le monde…

That's not feminism, it's misogyny.

😂

lol I guess k explorer won't ask this question again it didnt get the views that "would you date foreigner" vids get

I born in the 80´s and for me feminism was about "equality", but nowdays if you say you are feminist people think you hate men, and it is not like that....About 4B movement...I think that is a personal desicion and maybe they have their own reasons. Thank you for these interviews.

😊😮😮

totally agree that in society everyone should have equal opportunities, rights, and treatment. some things will be different because of biological sex, like healthcare and stuff. that is expected. but this bit right here 10:04 🤣

So proud of these women of my birth country. I’m 52 y.o. and I’m hopeful that they understand the impact inequality has on a society. Looks like they still need to learn that feminism isn’t about hating men. That’s the initial emotion to blame men, but the real issue is about human rights.

@raquelfigueroa5539

Ай бұрын

Exactly!! Human rights!!

@superAweber

Ай бұрын

"Where's the H?" 😃

@NoRockinMansLand

Ай бұрын

Modern feminism is clearly not aiming to fix inequality, keep that lie to yourself

@kumbawolf

Ай бұрын

I guess they better not follow the path of western feminism then.

@Flo-vn9ty

Ай бұрын

It also should not be about telling woman what they have to do or must not do but about empowering woman to do what they wan't to do. Telling woman they should not marry, have children, etc. is as bad as telling them that they should do all these things.

👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

R.I.P South Korea

@9y2bgy

Ай бұрын

What do you mean?

@geebee8989

Ай бұрын

@@9y2bgy South Korea fertility rate = death by time.

@I_am_Raziel

Ай бұрын

​@@geebee8989Meanwhile at 0.68! That's less than 1/3 of the replacement rate.

@moshiacid6673

Ай бұрын

Truly spoken like someone who's never been

@ecs1e

Ай бұрын

​@@I_am_Raziel South Korea actually has a higher population density than India (515 vs 481/sq km), and has almost no natural resources to cope. Even if you raise kids to be talented and highly educated, there are no jobs cuz competition is so high, low birth rate is not automatically bad, it's actually the solution to a lot of the issue the younger generation are having.

Kexplorer > Asian Boss for actually doing street interviews instead of trying to pretend he’s a startup founder

@senorfootball2460

Ай бұрын

both just schedule interviews, they aren't real street interviews

@amnostudios

Ай бұрын

@@senorfootball2460actually they are, 2 out of these were scheduled to have some deeper perspective all the other ones were asked to random people on the spot, including the one with the girl who is a feminist

@lilmamagc

Ай бұрын

​@senorfootball2460 no Jerry doesn't schedule, he said so in an interview

1 - That human being in the beige clothes is not a woman. 2 - Extreme selfishness in preferring a luxurious/easy life over a family 3 - And do you need to live in the country's capital to have a decent life? people can just live in other cities that are cheaper to live in!

Never even heard of this movement and im Korean myself lol.

Megalia's owner got married? The ironing is delicious.

한국에서 쉽게 꺼내기 힘든 주제인데 용기있게 자기 의견말하는 분도 이런 주제로 콘텐츠를 만드신 분도 대단하단 생각이 드네요!

I'm moving

People need to understand that in Korea if you say you are a feminist, it's a huge target on your back from the incel-ish type men who make up A LOT of men here. A lot of Korean culture is not verbalizing things. Plenty of the ppl who said they don't know it, do know it.

@user-kr2kh8gy9s

Ай бұрын

한국의 다른 유튜브영상중 페미니스트들의 4B운동에관한 이야기를 나누는 영상이있습니다. 쉽게 한국어로 "4B운동"이라고 검색만해도 나옵니다. 영상속에 나오는 페미니스트들의 외모를 보시면 알겁니다. 못생기고 뚱뚱하고 누가봐도 남자들한테 관심받지못할 여성들이 나옵니다. 그런 페미니스트들이 본인은 비출산,비혼주의라고 말하고다니는게 너무 웃깁니다. 진짜 인셀들은 바로 페미니스트들이에요. 한번 확인해보세요. 한국어로 검색하면 나옵니다.

@enok11

Ай бұрын

I generally agree on your point. This world is actually male-dominated society and that domination is real, Men have certain roles : intimidating and protecting, and both roles have been needed in so-called patriachical society. And also their hormones drives them into doing all sorts of crazy things when they reach their puberty. after the Korean war, third or fourth generation of parents' indoctrinating and delusive schooling effort made their children vulnerable in every side except making a good grade in school. Their growth went perfectly with online revolution. and All kind of distorted malicious male culture successfully settled on online. this polluted online trend meets the other side of extremity. There are same breeds on the extremity of male and female side, I think. They are handful of extreme haters and internet amplifies their voice. 4B or whatever is kind of, economical or existential decision in my opinion.

@oopoo122

Ай бұрын

페미니스트들은 단지 여성우월주위일 뿐입니다. 남성뿐만아니라 여성들도 그점을 지적하고 있습니다.

@julianasilva6946

Ай бұрын

​@@oopoo122 We wish. It's the right thing.

@kakarot79428

Ай бұрын

한국에선 페미니스트를 싫어 하는게 아니고 급진적 페미니스트를 싫어하는겁니다 실제로 여성 인권 많이 올랐고 일반적인 남자들은 그게 불합리 하다고 생각하지 않아요 급진적 페미니스트가 분열을 조장해서 싫어하는 겁니다 남자와 여자는 서로에게 꼭 필요한 존재고 부족한 부분을 서로 채워줄 수 있다고 생각해요

Based of what I've learned from my korean friends, they dont want to marry nor have children because 1.Extremely expensive to have a family in SK 2. Women are valuaing their careers more now than before 3. Household chores and expectations weight on women 4. Unrealistic social pressure and expectations The 4B movement is a radical very niche group in Korea which explains why many Koreans havent heard of it. I love the girl "society is already f* up", queen spoke true 🤣 SK issue with birth rate is happening everywhere and there is no turn back to it. Unfortunately, Korea has a huge challenge regarding their population, look forward to see what else will the gov employ to kind of remediate this threat.

TikTok and social media era… oh well :(

The problem with Korea is there is no equal pay for women and men - men make more money because they can not have a baby. This is thinking from the stone age. One thing I am proud of the U.S. is we have equal pay.

@YNWA6456

Ай бұрын

what you said don’t exist. Generally, Koreans get paid equally for equal work.

@sprocket8662

Ай бұрын

@@YNWA6456 Gender. Male employees in South Korea are getting paid more than women. They earn 6% more than the female workers across all sectors. South Korean male employee's average salary starts at 4,000,000 KRW (2,955 USD), while female employees earn 3,780,000 KRW (2,793 USD).

@YNWA6456

Ай бұрын

@@sprocket8662 영어로 쓰기 귀찮아서 한국말로 쓸게요 이전 댓글에도 달았지만 동일 직급에 동일 노동이면 동일한 수준의 임금 받습니다 (아, 군복무한 남성에게 수당 주는 기업이 있긴 한데 월 10만원도 안되구요 군복무한 걸 호봉으로 인정해주는 곳도 아주 적지만 존재합니다 ) 님이 말한 평균 연봉에서 여성의 임금이 적은 가장 큰 이유는 비정규직에서 일하는 여성이 압도적으로 많기 때문이에요 상대적으로 임금이 적은 job을 택해서 그렇습니다

@bunnystrasse

Ай бұрын

@@sprocket8662yeah just 6% bro

@Karznax

Ай бұрын

@@sprocket8662 That data was criticized for not taking number of hours worked and types of jobs into account.

FYI, South Korea is one of the few countries that implemented "state feminism".

@julianasilva6946

Ай бұрын

What?

@bunnystrasse

Ай бұрын

Because they don’t serve army?