How many ppl paused the video, pulled their carry and tested this out of battery thing???

@TheOropherfelegund

2 ай бұрын

I did

Walther fixed this. All of the new 4” and 4.5” guns have a different disconnector slot so this “feature” does not exist anymore. Walther listened and made a change.

@TerminalM193

11 ай бұрын

Sucks for those of us that purchased pdp's during the first year of its release.

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

@@TerminalM193i personally have 2 of the “old” style and i have no intention of upgrading. I rely on them with my life and can upgrade basically for free (because I work for Walther) but choose not to because I don’t believe this to be a problem, it’s a “feature” and I know about it and I choose to be good with it.

@lon242

11 ай бұрын

​@@jenskrogh1936this change was implemented at the beginning of 23?

@boomee78

11 ай бұрын

​@notetaking9308 i have 3 also i have bo issue with this and if my agency allowed i would take it over my glock any day of the week if it really bothers you trade them in snd get a newer one made this year

@jamiemui5186

11 ай бұрын

No it still does it on a 2022 pdp pro. That feature is still there.

I have the 2023 model compact pro sd as a everyday carry i ran this test in every different way and it still fired. Im happy walther is listening to consumer feedback and improving an already amazing system.

@AaronDefensive

11 ай бұрын

Thank you for confirming this. I was discouraged hearing this in the video and I was looking to get the pro. Im definitely still gonna get one now!

@mmafanatic-tz5or

10 ай бұрын

​@@AaronDefensivewell he has the 2023 model so it makes sense

@mmafanatic-tz5or

10 ай бұрын

Walther has "addressed" it in their pdp that has serial number/letter starting with FDZ, FEA, FEB. Now they've addressed and not really addressed it be ause i have the older slide and the FEB slide... All they did was shorten the disconnector cut on the newer slide. Ao basically ot fepends on how far you pull the slide back/how deep its pushed into the subject before the trigger is pulled. On the newer slide, if you pull the slide half an inch, you'll be convinced its fixed but if you pull the slide 1/4 of an inch, and pull he teigger, youll see its not really fixed. On the older slide (FDA to FDY) you'll have to pull the slide about 3/4 of an inch for it to act like other guns where once the slide is back in battery, you can still fire. So it all depends on how far you pull the slide back. I can also say that running a lighter recoil spring will increase the chances of you having the dead trigger issue when pushed into a subject. This is why i wanna stick with walther stock recoil spring because its harder to have the slide pushed back so easily when presed against something and have the dead trigger issue.

@EKSolinari

7 ай бұрын

My compact has no problem

3 ай бұрын

Thanks. I feel better knowing mine isn't affected by this design flaw. @@mmafanatic-tz5or

I've just recently started watching your You-Tube channrel / contents in the past month or so. Thank you for the contributions you have been giving to the public. As a side note on this episode about PDP flaw, I own a PDP F serious and immediately tested for the malfuction as shown on your video. As information, FWIW - the malfunction / flaw is not affected on the F serious. Just wanting to throw it out there.

I have the 4 in. PDP F Series and it does not have the “fatal flaw”. I’ve tested it probably 50 times now. Good to go.

PDP F model I had reset normally. The full-size models needed the slide retracted 1/2 inch to reset the trigger.

I had seen this issue highlighted a few months ago with the PDP. I have a PDP-F. It does NOT do this. I have tried it 100 times with various methods of pushing the slide out of battery. The trigger worked every single time. Maybe they redesigned something with the F model, but it works 100% of the time.

@riflemanm16a2

10 ай бұрын

Interesting, I have a P99 QA, and it has the issue, so it seems to be a long standing thing with Walther pistols. The P99 AS has the issue too, but, since it is DA/SA, it just puts the gun back in double action, meaning it can still fire.

@jakeminton74

9 ай бұрын

Because they fixed it. It use to be a design feature. It no longer is.

@Khiro822

5 ай бұрын

Same with my PDP SD Pro. Works just fine.

And this is why an X300 is nice. You can jam it into a body and fire away. Caveat; if the light extends a tad past the pistol.

@blainenelson2319

3 ай бұрын

I have a TLR- 1 HL on my G45 with the same premise as a stand off device. During practice or training I cover the lens and body of the light that extends past the frame with painters tape so it doesn’t get damaged from muzzle blast

There are 2 simple fixes to this if you have the old version of the PDP. 1) Install a threaded barrel. 2) Install a light or Lazer on the rail that extends past the slide.

You've got to ask yourself as an agency making a huge purchase: 1) Do I go with a tool that has been consistent, reliable, effective, over the course of nearly 40 years 2) Do I go with something new and fresh, but is redundant to everything on the market?

@boomee78

11 ай бұрын

as someone who shoots the 40 year model and still likes it i would definitly pic a pdp especially now knowing that the issue that is talked about in this video has already been resovled by walther

@mmafanatic-tz5or

11 ай бұрын

​@@boomee78how has it been resolved? I have the PDP 2.0 but it says 2022 on the frame and mine has this trigger issue where you have to rack the slide after pulling the gun out of battery.

@boomee78

11 ай бұрын

@mmafanatic-tz5or 2023 have resolved your pistol is working fine mine both have the featuer thats how the pistol was made to function. But since people got freaked out walther listened and changed it on 2023 models. Stop freaking oit because one cop says they didnt recomend it i can tell you cops opinion differ on these subjects get over it 😤

@9unslin9er

7 ай бұрын

@@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd Not sure if sarcasm, or nonsensical. The 92FS is large, heavy, and has an inconsistent trigger that is difficult to train. The Glock 17 (and now Glock 45) are the industry standard for size/weight and trigger discipline. The Beretta is expensive to repair and difficult to accessorize.

@9unslin9er

7 ай бұрын

@@ChristopherGoydich-cb6bd I suggest you not make assumptions. I carry a CZ75. I know my way around DA/SA guns. If I were a Chief of Police and I could go with something easier to train, purchase, and service, that's what I'd buy for my department. If DA/SA guns were better, there would be more on the hips of cops around the nation. There aren't. Your argument is moot.

Love your honestly. Thank you.

Gen 1’s have this issue, Gen 2’s with the revised optic mounts resolved this

This was so insightful. I am only a range shooter only, so I wouldn't care much about it, but I do like to hear professionals talking about guns from a different angle.

The P10 remains one of the most underrated striker guns on the market. The only trouble is that the P10f is Shaq big and the P10c is g19ish, but they're reasonably inexpensive, reliable, rugged, optics ready is available, and I dig the factory flat trigger.

@anthonygerber8261

11 ай бұрын

A lot of people sleep on CZ. P10 is a great pistol.

@SuperAbsolute

11 ай бұрын

love my p10c

@Mr.J.Diesel

11 ай бұрын

💯

@CaffeineAndMylanta

11 ай бұрын

Yeah I would love on but I have smol baby hands. All CZs have been on a fire sale lately, I think they’re offloading them to make room for new designs. Hoping for a slimmer model soon.

@boomee78

11 ай бұрын

Lol

Simple remedy is to create a “standoff” attach a weapon light that goes pass the muzzle problem solved. Most agencies attach lights anyways. Non problem for me. If a feature is part of you carry you train on how to use the feature just my 2 cents

@jessegpresley

11 ай бұрын

simple remedy is to just use a different gun.

@frontlinepfknr

11 ай бұрын

@@jessegpresley true but that’s not a remedy for someone that has already purchased this firearm and is not in a financial state to purchase another firearm. Easier to spend $100-$200 for a weapon light than say double that for another firearm.

@mmafanatic-tz5or

11 ай бұрын

Not everyone wants to carry a much more expensive light sticking past the muzzle of the gun. Makes it superunco

@boomee78

11 ай бұрын

​@@jessegpresleyor get a 2023 pistol. I have a few other pdps i have no issue carrying it on duty

@frontlinepfknr

10 ай бұрын

@@mmafanatic-tz5orall I hear is excuses. It’ll be the same thing if you pull the trigger and get a light primer strike in the middle of a gun fight, right? You train to tap and rack. Same in this scenario no different. People will say and do anything to knock a product.

My new PDP-F doesn't do this. Slide out of battery, pull the trigger and hold it, back off, let go of the trigger and the trigger resets as it should. Maybe Walther fixed this issue? Agree that a dead trigger in this scenario makes the pistol a no-go for LE. Hope they fixed it in the duty models, this thing is an awesome alternative to a Block.

I had a quick test (with dry guns obviously). Canik Rival-S (which is Walther clone) does not fire when pressed against arm, but when bringing the gun back it fires normally. My good old Walther P99 even fired when pressed very firmly against arm.

Came across this video and just wanted to give some personal experience. Own several Glocks and had acquired two PDP's (4" & 4.45"). As mentioned in your video, when using the full size framed PDP with the Standard trigger, and the slide is pressed to the rear far enough (15mm or 9/16"), you'll hear an audible click and the trigger disconnects, allow the slide to go back into battery, you have a dead trigger as you conveyed. Have to rack slide to get a live trigger again. This is replicated with both a 4" and 4.5" PDP full size. However, and this is my personal experience (other's mileage may vary), when I installed the Walther Dynamic Performance Trigger into the 4.5" the dead trigger issue does not occur with this trigger kit installed. Don't know if it's tolerance stacking or the changes in geometry with the trigger bar and sear assembly with the Dynamic Performance trigger. Granted my sample size is only 2 PDP's, but with oem PDP trigger - dead trigger occurs, Dynamic trigger installed - it does not occur.

@reefread1234

5 ай бұрын

Thanks, I was looking for a workable replacement. The trigger thing has me cross about this pistol but since its one in hand better find something for it that negates this issue.

I took a class with bill Blowers last summer, walther guy of course, and he did announce that to the class when we were going over malfunctions. I think it’s a transparent thing they don’t hide, I bought mine for a training and competition gun I don’t carry one.

@jessegpresley

10 ай бұрын

Funny, I don't see it mentioned in any of their advertising/literature.

Chris Palmer’s framing of this conversation is spot-on.

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

He’s right in a lot of ways. Walther fixed this “feature” earlier this year

Ben kills me. Dude is Savage in all the correct ways. Sees BS and exposes it. Love him or hate him MF is real and real in this area is RARE

@SoccerVJ2011

11 ай бұрын

That’s why people in his field hate him

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

Walther already fixed this “feature” this is old news

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

@@notetaking9308old news because it’s been a feature since the p99. Weather did not announce the removal of this feature, Ben knows enough people at or connected to Walther that he should have reached out before posting old information. He’s not telling the whole story and he’s doing it for attention.

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

⁠​⁠​⁠@@notetaking9308the longer slide travel to disconnect was a feature, not a problem. We changed it because training, technology and customer demands change. You are correct, I cannot post the serial number cutoffs, though I don’t work in supply chain.

@DayOfShadows5

11 ай бұрын

@@notetaking9308 How many people actually had an issue with this? How many times has this came up? How many millions of other striker fired pistols do the same thing? Cherry picking a few examples that don't do it doesn't mean anything.

Part 2/2. You have to know guns to understand this issue, the pdp is basically a single action, not a traditional striker fired gun. Glocks have a sear that moves backwards with the trigger until it hits a certain point and moves downwards out from under the striker, thereby pushing the striker backwards some. The PDP has a latch sear. When the slide is racked the striker sear catches on a small latch in the frame, the trigger unblocks the sear, and the spring pressure pulls hard enough on this latch sear that the striker pushes it down and fires. Where they are misleading is that it doesn't decock all of the time. This feature only happens when the slide is pushed out of battery until the barrel just tilts downward, before the slide can move away from the breach itself. Thereby the barrel and breach face or not actually out of battery. At this point the striker is almost at its resting point, but has enough tension that the trigger acts normally. If the slide is moved more than 1/8" then pulling the trigger will have no effect. If the trigger were held it wold be like holding the trigger down for a reset. This function allows for one to carry a live round with a dead trigger if they are not comfortable carrying a striker fired pistol. To re engage the sear, the slide must be pulled back approx. 1/8" or more, unlike a glock that would have to be fully racked. Also with the barrel tilted down and the slide pushed back, the striker shouldn't extended past the breach face, since it doesn't have the pressure; and the round will be moved so that the primer is not in a direct path with the striker. Someone else said this is a safety feature in the event the gunjams or doesn't go into battery, thereby disabling the gun until the operator confirms the gun is safe. Now this feature is a liability to an officer, or more accurately to someone defending themselves from an attacker. I say this as most officers that use deadly force, do so around the magical 7 yard mark, and most attacks upon them are surprise attacks. If a suspected perpetrator is within that distance then the officer has messed up somewhere, and has lost control of the situation. Also if an officer is being attacked they should be using a different weapon than their side arm, as being in a scuffle would likely lead to loose and negligent shots fired in all directions. Other considerations to be had is that most officers don't fire their weapons in the actual line of duty, it is not unheard of for an officer to never have to fire their side arm. As Chris said at 6:15, it is somewhat low occurring for officers to be involved in shootings. However as the PDP sits I would not use it in this profession as is. When there is an officer involved shooting, the officer must justify their actions. The reason for the heavy trigger in most pistols, other than ND, is so that whoever is firing it has time to think, and possibly have time to defuse the situation at hand (in a defensive situation). The problem here is that the trigger on PDP is too light to allow this time and consideration. It is the nicest stock trigger I have seen on the market, it is lighter than most other guns, and crisper than most of those that are lighter. For example it is lighter than factory glock and m&p, but it is crisper than the canik tp9 sfx which is a direct clone of a walther p99. I said earlier "or anyone defending themselves," this also includes everyday people. This gun has 3 barrel lengths and 2 frame sizes, 4", 4.5", 5", as well as full and compact frames. The full size is obviously made as a duty pistol, while the compact is concealed carry. If your everyday person must use this weapon in self defense, it follows the same rules as officers, they must justify their actions. The only difference is if the officer perceives a threat they may pull their side arm depending on policy, while some states say citizens may meet force with force, and others are duty to retreat. In a justifiable case, the firearm has been pulled and can be used accordingly. In this case the trigger wouldn't matter. In both cases, if in a scuffle on the ground, as some martial arts teach, if you are on your back you are in the most vulnerable position. If you can get your pistol good, however if in this position most likely you have already failed. Now as far as pressing the firearm into someone, that is complete hooey. Firstly you should never be that close, with a weapon drawn. Chicago defense training has become an absolute punching bag, but he had point once, if a gun can be grabbed and the slide held out of battery it is of no use or danger to anyone. Secondly officers, and some civilians carry with weapon lights. If striking someone, then it should be done with the finger off the trigger, and with the WML, not the muzzle. There have been videos made, and an entire philosophy around WMLs, and that is the reason the bezel extends past the muzzle. This is only a problem on the 5" pdp, as a tlr1/2 will sit flush with the muzzle, not extend past it. The 4" and 4.5" the light will extend past the muzzle. TL:DR this gun is a great gun, but earlier than 2023 would not be recommended for use as a duty pistol, shootings are rare, and you shouldn't be too close to an attacker. The design of the pistol allows the decocking of the striker, and is actually a safety feature.

Not really a deal breaker for me personally, but I can see how a department would see it as one.

Mine don’t do this. Interesting

Huge thanks

I used to carry a Walther PPQ M2 40 cal for per diem work and it was a very accurate and reliable pistol. I now carry an issued Gen 5 G19. Love the Glock for being simple and having way cheaper mags. The Gen 5 is also very accurate with the new barrels. There was one other guy I worked with that had a PPQ 9mm. We were odd balls that loved something that seemed more refined than a Glock for our own weapon selection.

I was a DT instructor at my academy in NY. We taught that if you ever use your weapon as an impact weapon you need to do a “slap and rack” regardless if you are going to shoot or not.

Wow, never heard about the oob thing. I dislike the pdp because of the recoil impulse.

Ben you honestly grind my gears man always getting me thinking 😂

PDP Pro SD models should be unaffected by this design "feature". I recently purchased the PDP Pro SD Compact 4.6" as my first handgun and I'm a happy owner so far. **UPDATE** I'm wrong. Since my gun and I are currently separated by 6000 miles, I incorrectly assumed the above. I have since seen where the threaded barrel suffers the same issue. I did purchase a HA comp recently so maybe that will mitigate the issue.

Feel of recoil and muzzle rise ARE inversely proportional, if the ammo is constant.

Damn, I love my PDP. I didn't know this. I'll have to go down to my safe and see if mine reacts this way. It was my EDC before my Staccato.

@mmafanatic-tz5or

11 ай бұрын

Did it react this way? If so is your PDP the 1.0 or 2.0 and does it say 2023 or 2022

@rays9033

10 ай бұрын

I have two C2's, one iron sights and one with optic tall sights (which I now wish were the short regular sights) with a Holosun 507c Vulcan. I've not shot the C2 with the 507c in fear of causing an idiot scratch on the final slide-stop pin assembly step, which I did scratch my first C2 when assembling the first cleaning before firing...and each time I clean it, the scratch gets worse 🥺 Dang, the Staccato's are tight (which is why they are so accurate), so it's easy to to have the slide-stop pin dive down and scratch the frame when pressing in the pin!!! How do you get your slide-stop pin in without scratching the frame??????

The thing I always sperg out about is striker fired (or any single action) that drops the striker with a modest impact. Walther and HK definitely fall into this category. If you fell or got tackled with the gun on and it hits the ground, now it needs to be racked again before it fires.

@9unslin9er

11 ай бұрын

I was trained to rack on a fall in LOCKUP/Soulis Shooting Systems, but it was more of an insurance policy. I've never seen a Glock have a dead trigger from a drop.

@CCW1911

11 ай бұрын

Any single action? I don't find your statement to be true for me, carried a 1911 on duty for years had lots of dynamic situations without experiencing a dead trigger, same with the 226, 220, and others. Can you point me to the source of this information?

just tried the PPQ V2, same feature. HK P30 works fine.

Besides the current change walther did to them, I personally think if you want something that just runs until you no longer run, get a da/sa. P99, 226, p09

I discovered it completely by accident in dry firing my PDP. I had never actually thought about it until it happened and I tried to repeat it on other guns and it didn’t happen. The PDP is a really neat gun but has never made it into the rotation because of this. I just thought I was paranoid but maybe not so much.

@parunbelhomme

11 ай бұрын

I found out about it last year, and when I replaced the guide rod and spring to the 13 lbs from ISMI, it became even easier to replicate. All my other guns reset once their slides return to battery. Not the PDP.

@kevinallies1014

11 ай бұрын

I own a lot of different guns and I could not replicate it with any of them. I didn’t really test the weight because it didn’t happen because of the front being pushed. I was trying to test if it would fire out of battery, which it would not but it also would not fire once returned to battery.

@Drixels269

11 ай бұрын

@@parunbelhommeI’m newbie into gun,shopping around. Any recommendations for me? Thank You.

Great video

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

Too bad it’s outdated news, Walther already got rid of this “feature” this video is clickbait and half the story

I have a new PDP Pro compact, and it does not have this flaw. If I push the slide out of battery, pull the trigger it will not fire(trigger is dead), but hold the trigger down, get the slide back in battery, let go of the trigger and pull it again, it fires.

I checked with a PPQ M1 and it would fire.

The Walther P99 goes Bang! Greetings from a Walther in Switzerland👍

What do you think about the beavertail design on the PDP? I noticed with most other handguns the web of the hand can be jammed further up into the beavertail depending how aggressive your grip is, but not with the PDP. It only allows the web of the hand to only go so far and no further. Anyone else have an issue with this?

@parunbelhomme

11 ай бұрын

Thought it was just my hands. Guess I'm not the only one. It doesn't matter how high I push up on it, the gap remains.

@boomee78

11 ай бұрын

That might be you no issues for myself

@rimfirecommando

11 ай бұрын

I don't have that issue. I use a thumbs high grip which allows me to keep the web of my hand high in the beavertail. Not an issue for me.

Part 1/2. I have read quite a few of the comments, and I think a lot of people are missing the point one way or another. For what Chris was saying, the pdp with this design is a liability to officers. That issue has been resolved, according to this comment section, as of 2023. I will post another technical comment, but this video is misleading, and I don't believe they understand the issue enough to know how it happens. Rewatching the video, at 5:15, it is clear Ben intended to mislead the audience, and clickbait us to watch. He directly said he had hoped Chris would agree to say this gun could/ would get you killed due to some factory defect. This is not the case, and there is nothing directly wrong with the pistol. The overlooked point is that this is a safety feature. What some people don't realize is that the pdp is pretty much single action. Some people aren't comfortable carrying with a round in the chamber, which is why there is Israeli carry. This function actually allows the decocking of the gun, so a round can be carried in the chamber without fear, or so that it can be stored without fully dry firing the gun. I know walther calls it the performance duty pistol, but you can tell they focused on performance not duty. TL:DR the video is misleading, the gun is fine, there is actually a reason for this function, and this is more of a performance gun than a duty gun.

@riflemanm16a2

10 ай бұрын

Why would you want to carry a round in the chamber with the striker decocked when it's not double action? It might make sense with a hammer fired single action pistol since you can cock the hammer, but intending on pulling the slide back just enough to cock the striker but not eject the round sounds like a silly way to carry. The P99 QA - which can't be fired if decocked - has a decocker button, but it's only intended for disassembly to prevent dummies from shooting themselves if they disassemble it with a round in the chamber.

@Thevoiceofsomething

10 ай бұрын

@@riflemanm16a2 I won't say that disassembly isn't the reason for this function, it might very well be. The reason I stated that people might carry chambered, but decocked, is for a few reasons. 1 this model of Walther has a really light trigger, it is considerably less than that of others, ie Glock. 2 I have friends and family that have been carried everything from revolvers to Glocks, and they would happily trust a 1911 condition 1, but carry revolvers with the first cylinder empty. That isn't to say they can't be trusted, I was just saying not everyone trusts them. 3 the amount of travel it takes to recock a pdp is the same amount to check that there is a round chambered. Also from what I have personally seen of violent encounters, it is best to get away/out of sight while pulling a gun, not try John wick mode.

@riflemanm16a2

10 ай бұрын

@@Thevoiceofsomething I can see that. The P99 QA takes maybe one millimeter to cock, but it is half cocked like a Glock, so I wasn’t sure if it was the same for the PDP. I myself am a little hesitant to carry fully cocked striker pistols without manual safeties, preferring DA/SA, so I understand the hesitation. Personally, I’d forget to cock the striker if I carried like that, especially since the PDP lacks the red indicator on the back of the slide like the P99 and Canik pistols. Thanks for taking the time to explain.

@Thevoiceofsomething

10 ай бұрын

@@riflemanm16a2 you're welcome, it is always good to learn something new. I have always loved the p99, but never got the opportunity to get one, so I don't know much about them, so I have learned new things. I will say the pdp is based around the same trigger group, but is an " evolution"... So basically it is the same, but different, if that makes any sense. Also they put an extractor chamber indicator on the pdp. So it kind of sucks. Also I understand your comment about forgetting, I'm sure you would know training is key. You carry how you feel comfortable. I always see people on the range, or Internet talking as if they have the best way to carry, no one does, they have the best way for them. For some it's appendix, others it is small of the back, others it's the drop leg inside the pants that you pull up through you waist band, etc. Being comfortable carrying is as important as concealing the fact you are carrying. When I do general outside work I have a Blackhawk omnivore tlr1, I can reach the trigger with my finger. But I don't carry loaded unless I'm hunting, or with a pdp or beretta, since I mostly have it for snakes. But may I suggest watch a video by Agilite. It's called IDF Pistol Technique in 5 Minutes. They explain why they carry they way they do, but in showing how they do it they show that it can be incredibly efficient.

Would like to hear your feedback on the Shadow Systems line of Glock clones!

@jasonnunya7000

10 ай бұрын

They can be summed up with one word, overpriced.

Walther says this issue was addressed "fixed" in newer builds. Is that correct?

This is why the X300 can save your life in CQB, and it has nothing to do with lumens or candles…

I own a PDP, but I'm not a Cop. I agree with this guy. I want something that's gonna work no matter the situation

He evaluates firearms as if he expects them to be foolproof. Being able to manipulate any tool that can possible fail boils down to TRAINING. How is this any different when an Officer’s firearm fails to fire regardless of brand, caliber, bullet etc…

Does that happen with the pdp compact version as well?

Just purchased a PDP Compact 4” DE 2022 I cannot recreate return to battery FTF condition. My gun fires under such circumstance.

My Arex Delta is safe *phew* and it is almost half the price of a PDP! I'm now rethinking of getting a PDP. I was thinking of getting the F series.

@boomee78

11 ай бұрын

F seris dosent do that and newer 2023 pdps dont either

@donsal.t.1765

11 ай бұрын

@@boomee78 ooooo then I am getting and F series afer all hahah

Thoughts on this vs the RangeRunner carts from Range Tactical Gear?

I stopped carrying my 2022 pdp model due to that exact issue. I contacted Walther, hoping they would fix this since its a factory issue, but they recommended that I buy a new updated slide from them for 300$ smh!! First walther and will be my last.

I had to get to two PDP just now to try this.

I ordered one of these in a steel frame, and handled the polymer frame version yesterday (3/13/24) - I tried repeating that flaw shown in the video, the one I handled didn't do that, it did what it was supposed to do. Maybe Walther saw the vids and made corrections since then or it's not a universal problem.

I had massive extractor issues with the full size PDP and issues with slide locking back. Customer service was terrible

I got a pdp thinking the same thing, I would carry it...found this tp be an issue and decided against it. Also I have seen 3 of them slide stops stop working after alot of rounds wo cleaning

@kennethjoseph2812

11 ай бұрын

user error

Depending on your holster, it's possible to nudge the slide out of battery while holstering the gun. Even if the gun returns to battery, you could potentially draw a dead gun???!!!

I tried this with both of my PDPs, and I guess they were both made after it was fixed

That is so weird and something I would have never imagined even thinking about. I pulled out my Glock, my PDP and one of my Caniks. Glock worked fine because it's Glock. I figured since the Canik is kind of a license trigger or whatever from Walther maybe it would have that same issue and it didn't. Then I tried my other Canik, first being the TP9 SFx, second being the Mete, neither one did it. Getting progressively more annoyed, I grabbed one of my VP9s, zero issue. Then moved to my Hellcat RDP with the compensator (love it because it's the only micro I don't hate with a passion) and then the Sig P365XL. Neither had an issue. I quit pulling out pistols and doing this after that because I was getting more and more pissed and my wife thinking I'm more of a dipshit than she previously thought. Not a single one did it except the PDP. I'm annoyed because I shoot the PDP really well, nothing close to world class but getting better. Chances of me in what I do day to day running into that issue are so entirely small I shouldn't be annoyed but just knowing what this video illustrated is going to bother me every time I look at the Walther.

The only question that matters… Does Steven Seagal use it? - High opinion Low commitment guy

Big non issue for me, walther fixed it anyway. Outshoots and is better than anything else in its category

@jessegpresley

11 ай бұрын

Is that why the only people you've heard of shooting them get them for free?

@filthyvibes4768

11 ай бұрын

Outshoots everything else in its category? Slow down buddy. Walther can’t even beat CZ in ANY category, let alone this one

I have a PDP C(2nd Gen) and this feature is not present. Could it possibly be a Gen1 issue?

@boomee78

11 ай бұрын

Nope if your pistol was made in 2023 the feature is romived dosent matter what gen cut you have.

So to avoid this-maybe a threaded barrel or comp??

Does the PPQ also have this "feature" ?

I’ve got an 11lb spring with a titanium guide rod and the dynamic trigger. Haven’t had this happen at all. I have a 5” compact. I’m wondering if they fixed it? 🤔 or I could just be lucky I guess. 😂

@paddypibblet846

11 ай бұрын

You're the second person on here stating this, and it's interesting you both noted you have the 5 inch version. Interesting.

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

Walther fixed this “feature” earlier this year, is your gun newer?

@DavidLLambertmobile

4 ай бұрын

I bought a new Walther 1.0 when they first came out. I never had it misfire or have any jam, problems with factory 9mm ammunition. I honestly don't think a CQB type shooting or scuffle is realistic unless you work corrections, SRT or a SWAT type post.

Clearly it is a feature or Walther ... I have a PPQ Q5 Match ... does the same thing ... of course on that gun it isn't really an issue to consider.

I wonder if the recoil spring has something to do with the snappy feel...is it lighter than on other guns or something? That would be my first guess.

@slanderous.j

3 ай бұрын

Upgrade to a 15lb, with a metal guide rod. It makes a big difference.

I absolutely love the straightforward, no BS talk from Chris Palmer. I wish I would have seen this video before I bought mine. That being said, mine is the PDP F-Series 3.5 inch barrel, and it does not have this "feature"! The trigger does not go dead on this one like the one in this video. I bought mine about 1 month ago, so they may have fixed this?

@heelhooker1

11 ай бұрын

Same , can confirm that the PDP F-series 4 .0 inch barrel does not have this malfunction. Tried to induce about a dozen times.

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

Walther already fixed this “feature” on standard PDP’s and the f-series never had it

@mattker6210

11 ай бұрын

@@jenskrogh1936 Nice! Appreciate the clarification!

@Cpt.Andy2

9 ай бұрын

I can confirm this is true. I have the 4 inch. The malfunction does not occurs. Good to go boys.

Just tested my PDP Pro SD Compact. Trigger reset and “fired”. Looks like it was fixed in the 2.0 versions. 2:18

There’s a fine line between innovative and unnecessary, I don’t know why companies can’t just make guns that act like guns.

Finally some one calls out all the people that feel the need to clear their guns for the keyboard warriors.

The issue is fixed on the gen 2 Walter's mine doesn't do that

Bought a PDP pro full size about 6 weeks ago, saw this video and felt sick for a moment. Got home and proceeded to test it and mine fires every time. Does anyone know if Walther addressed this problem or is something different with the pro ?

@mmafanatic-tz5or

11 ай бұрын

Does your PDP pro say 2022 or 2023 on the frame?

@trentlaney5762

11 ай бұрын

@@mmafanatic-tz5or 05 2023

@boomee78

11 ай бұрын

​@trentlaney5762 the feature was changed for 2023 models

Weird that my PDP Pro isn’t doing what you demonstrated. I copied your exact movements and mine will still fire. How many PDPs has this been tested on ?

@TheRancor53

11 ай бұрын

Pro is the best PDP. Definitely understand departments sticking with Glocks just for ease of administrative redundancy and armorers not needing to update training.

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

You have a newer one? Walther fixed this feature earlier this year.

@brank123

11 ай бұрын

@@jenskrogh1936yeah it was bought pretty recently. That’s pretty interesting tho I didn’t know that.

@brank123

11 ай бұрын

@@TheRancor53honestly I don’t see why they would even change from carrying a Glock anyway.

@johnjones5631

11 ай бұрын

I texted this on my pdp about a year old. Didn’t happen, I got trigger reset every time

I have been entirely unable to replicate this with my PDP, unless I push on it so far that the gun comes out of battery, in which case no striker fired gun will fire.

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

You probably have a new one where walther removed this “feature,” which was done earlier this year so this video is outdated clickbait.

@abowens777

11 ай бұрын

@@jenskrogh1936 Can Walther “removing the feature” actually be verified? Because I’ve got a PPQ and Q5 match that are essentially the same firing mechanism and neither of them do that either. Because if it’s conjecture and not a verifiable claim, this video seems like much to do over nothing. Maybe even a made up problem?

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

@@abowens777google my name Jens Krogh and Walther. It’s verified.

@mmafanatic-tz5or

11 ай бұрын

​@@jenskrogh1936where's the link where Walther claimed they addressed this issue

Yep!! Couldn’t agree more Lol 😂🤷‍♂️👍

So, I tested this out. The amount of force and angle you have to be at to make it happen is significant, meaning there is a "sweet spot" you have to hit. A little bit before it you can still pull the trigger, a little after the trigger will reset. From his perspective I get his reasoning, but for the average carrier this is kind of like the CQB fantasy most gun guys have, it will never happen if we are being realistic. I just posted because my knee jerk reaction was "ok here we go again, my chosen weapons now sucks." Don't run out and sell your PDP's over this one.

@kevinallies1014

11 ай бұрын

It is an out of battery disconnect which means that if the trigger is pulled out of battery it will not reset on its own. It has nothing to do with the amount of force on the front of the gun it could be from a failure to feed that you popped into battery by hitting the back of the slide. The gun will not go bang if the trigger was pulled while it was out of battery.

@gator7082

11 ай бұрын

@@kevinallies1014 I know what it is, I've watched the video and replicated it right here in my house with this very same gun. The scenario involves pressing the gun into another person during a scuffle, hence force on the front of the weapon in order to get it out of battery. The window, and angle, to make this happen is very small, which is my point, the odds of this happening for most is almost zero.

@TheOtherVenkman

11 ай бұрын

@@gator7082why carry equipment that makes it arbitrarily harder to survive a violent encounter?

@gator7082

11 ай бұрын

@@TheOtherVenkman Because I've watched their video, weighed it against what I know and deemed it not an issue. You know we are allowed to do that right? You can think for yourself. This is like the P320 non issue that nobody seems to have even though there a billion of them on the streets.

Just tried it on a PDP Pro at the LGS. No “flaw” observed.

I'm guessing Pennsylvania State Police didn't watch this video or there is just a lot of people who don't agree with that logic? I am not saying he is wrong. I am just confused how an agency of that size would select this if that is a known issue.

Umm - I can’t seem to get my 5” PDP to do it . But I don’t use my PDP much anyway as occasionally my grip style, that I’m comfortable with on my TXG module Sig’s, will engage the mag release on the PDP- but that’s just a me thing . Nice to hear someone push back on the 2011 for carry trend - great guns but having to deal with a more complex manual of arms in a real high speed high stress scenario ( outside competition ) seems unnecessary when the high quality strikers are absolutely good enough for almost any application. Marketing + hype = better ? but in reality it’s just that folks love buying new guns that look cool . I pinned my grip safety on my competition 9mm 1911 just because I couldn’t be bothered with it slowing me down if I didn’t get it right.

@TerminalM193

11 ай бұрын

When did you get your pdp and does it have the 1.0 or 2.0 optic footprint? All the 2.0s were fixed to where this "feature" no longer exists.

@stovepipe8966

11 ай бұрын

@@TerminalM193 I got mine in Canada not long after they came out - Gen1.0 optic footprint

@rogerrabt

11 ай бұрын

@@TerminalM193 My PDP SD Pro with the 2.0 footprint does it as does my PPQ M1.

@mmafanatic-tz5or

11 ай бұрын

​@@TerminalM193not all 2.0s. apparently it looks like only ones manufactured with 2023 (this year) were fixed. Walther should've done a recall. If you bought the Walther when it came out, you were dealt with an inferior optic system that was smooth, Walther 'fixes it' by putting grooves and lugs. Now I'm hearing that they fixed the trigger reset issue.

seems like you have already lost the fight if your gun is out, and the bad guy closes and presses into your hand/gun hard enough to drive it out of battery.

Yeah, the Walther PDP is horrible. I'll gladly take it off your hands

Didn’t happen on my pdp I tried multiple times same as you demonstrated. They must have fixed it

Hey! Thanks for that info, none of the KZread talking gun heads have ever mentioned this. Walther knows about this, s its either a design feature or a design flaw. PDP is a no go for me…Glocks, are old trusty!

@parunbelhomme

11 ай бұрын

I almost made a video about it once I found out last year, but I had to look at what's probable vs possible. Also, because I already made the Walther fanboys mad in my video reviews for saying it was snappier than its competitors. For months they've been trying to convince me that a Corolla and a Civic both ride alike, as long as one knows how to hold the steering wheel. Utter nonsense but that stuff flies in their world I guess 🤷🏾‍♂️ Stick to your Glocks buddy. You're not missing out.

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

Walther removed this feature from the PDP earlier this year. Walther listened to people like Chris and made a change.

I had no idea about this “ feature”. I think thats a good name for it. S&W had a feature in one of their models back when, were if you dropped/lost the mag, even with 1 in the chamber it would not fire. Their logic was to save an officers life if his gun was taken away. Features like this are made, in my opinion, from someone(s) who probably has not been in a close contact. Because its all about perspective. That one round may save your ass if you’re still aggressive. My perspective is based off a close contact incident using a P226. The gun worked. Had this feature been on the 226 in my incident I would not had the other hand free to cycle the slide ,because I was grabbing the future dead guy, nor the time and my team mate most likely would have taken some impacts.

@kevinallies1014

11 ай бұрын

Magazine disconnects, which is what you are talking about, were ubiquitous fifty years ago. You can still see them in some foreign guns and places like clones of the Browning Hi Power and Walther PPK. You still see the warning that guns WILL fire even without a magazine on some modern guns.

@aggrodkreg4321

11 ай бұрын

Magazine disconnect. It was on the early M&Ps, and I do mean EARLY. I found out about it when I bought a police trade-in M&P in .40. It was a requirement for duty pistols for a long time in certain LE agencies.

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

Walther already fixed this “feature”

@SuperTacticalcom

11 ай бұрын

@@aggrodkreg4321 at least on the M&P it takes about 3 minutes to remove it

@beaubjarnason4759

11 ай бұрын

S&W 5946 and 3953 have the magazine disconnect that does not allow firing with magazine removed or unseated. Still in use by the RCMP today. Terrible feature and a gun completely unsuitable for current policing needs. I know of one incident where it at least in part contributed to an officer’s death.

Not getting that with the three I have.

I always thought KZreadrs showing a unloaded gun was stupid as well

Wonder if the P99 & PPQ have these issues? Thanks for the share!!

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

They did have the same “feature” newer 4” and 4.5” PDP’s do not have this “feature”

@RogerLoUSPSA

11 ай бұрын

By new version are we talking about the one with the better optic cut slide?

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

@@RogerLoUSPSAone marked 2023 on the frame. Some of the V2 optics cuts are still the old style disconnector cut

@NinetyMinusTen

11 ай бұрын

I just tried this with my PPQ M2. The striker breaks when it is out of battery (pressed against my arm) therefore when released from arm contact the trigger is dead and the slide has to be racked again to reset the trigger. I did not try it out of battery with a live round. I think that would be catastrophic.

its 100% a things that worthy of consideration , people will say your autistic & overthinking it , but this seems to be a decently major thing lmao

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

So major that Walther already fixed it!

@JohnRedacted

11 ай бұрын

@j.bar3.077 inperson if the guys above us is right , just test the trigger yourself , out of person idk

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

@j.bar3.077there is a date on the side of the gun. If it’s 2023 and a 4” or 4.5” you’re good to go.

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

@@notetaking9308it was not a problem, the long disconnect was a feature and a request from a customer at the time. I don’t know why we did not change it sooner, probably because it’s not anything that was broken and most training was that if the gun does not go off when you pull the trigger, you tap the mag and rack the slide (I’m not saying this is correct, just the way it was) when you do this the trigger is live and the gun will go off. We changed it with the pdp because customers requested the change.

@mmafanatic-tz5or

11 ай бұрын

​@@jenskrogh1936 how has it been resolved? have the PDP 2.0 but it says 2022 on the frame and mine has this trigger issue where you have to rack the slide after pulling the gun out of battery.

1) I know it's a PITA but you should do the clearing thing. Watch the FBI guy and the school kids where he shoots himself in the leg. It's impossible to be too safe, ESPECIALLY if you are going to point the gun at yourself and pull the trigger. 2) This issue bothers me but not enough to not buy the gun. I am just buying it as a range toy. 3) If I was a police officer, no way I would use that gun, absolutely deadly flaw that could get you killed. Thanx for pointing this out in so much detail. They supposedly fixed it on the F, wonder if the PDP Pro does this?

I remember this coming up and us normies talking about this when the gun first came out. It’s the reason I sold mine. Boy of boy the fanboys came out in flocks…brace yourself lol

Answering my own question, maybe . But it could be the trigger group, think the only difference is trigger and threaded barrel internally.

@Thevoiceofsomething

10 ай бұрын

As far as the difference, as compared to what? I'm genuinely asking, what are we comparing the pdp and ppq, pdp and pdp pro... As for the trigger group, that is the cause. It is also the striker, but don't think of the pdp as traditional striker pistol, but as a single action only. The reason it can do this is because when the slide is pushed back, and the trigger is pulled it allows the striker to override the sear. This is a safety feature as someone else said, to keep the gun from firing after a jam and make sure the operator has cleared the jam/gun properly.

@trentlaney5762

10 ай бұрын

@brettvanderpool9546 I am strictly speaking of the PDP pro because it the one I have. As I said in my first post, this problem is not an issue with my pdp pro.

@Thevoiceofsomething

10 ай бұрын

You are correct, the only difference internally, is the trigger and barrel. I don't know if it is yours being a newer example, or if it is the enhanced trigger. I do know a quick search of the two triggers reveals a different design of the striker block disengagement nubs on the trigger bar, and Walther states the dynamic trigger is redesigned to be lighter... So it could have been part of this quiet redesign they did.

Anybody have evidence that this is an issue with the SD PRO?

PPQ M1 does this as well

the PDP F-Series doesn't have this "feature"... it functions like the glock

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

Regular PDP’s also no longer have this “feature”

IDK, my husband and I have two of the PDP F models and non of them have that issue.

If this "feature" has been removed for the 2023 slides and frames, the OP needs to highlight that comment. Unless both of these guys are trying to only bash Walther, while simultaneously bash their own credibility, by going for the click-bait views.

These two "experts" didn't discover anything new as this has been a known thing for 10+ years. My PPQ does the same thing. Its a Walther design thing and I dont like it. None of my other 13 pistols do this. If I was a cop I wouldnt carry a PPQ or PDP. Its good Ben posted this as Walther doesn't advertise this.

@jessegpresley

11 ай бұрын

they do advertise this?

@jenskrogh1936

11 ай бұрын

Walther fixed this “feature” earlier this year. 4.0” and 4.5” PDPs imported since about February do not have this “feature”

@jschwenz8153

11 ай бұрын

@@jenskrogh1936 Do you know if this "feature" fix is available for all models affected? I would like my PPQ( Police Pistol Quick defence) to actually be usable for CCW.

@boomee78

11 ай бұрын

​@@jschwenz8153its still usable you just choose not to use it

@jschwenz8153

11 ай бұрын

@@boomee78 Why would I use the PPQ when none of my other CCW handguns have this "feature"? My Hi-point's trigger resets when back into battery🤣 why would I risk a scenario where an attacker rushes me and I end up with a nonfunctional weapon? Real life isn't the flat range.

My firearm ( FDQ 2022) when cocked and slightly out of battery will fire.

Fixed in newer models.