Fantastic Four issue 1 by Jim Lee and his School Pal, Brandon Choi, Marvel Comics Heroes Reborn 1996
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@snarferyasmr37393 жыл бұрын
Jim Lee had lots of reference magazines back then: National Geographic, Penthouse, Playboy, Hustler. He gave them all to Greg Land later on.
@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy
3 жыл бұрын
A healthy dose of ‘art’ books helps the budding artist figure out where her organs is.
@castizodonkeykong2823 жыл бұрын
Growing up in the 2000s, every How to Draw book was aping the Jim Lee/Image style. Every time I see Jim Lee draw a spaceship, I see no imagination in it because it looks like every book I got a scholastic book fair. Not to mention that FF should be the craziest, most high-concept book in Marvel’s corner at any given time and this Choi guy wants to turn it into the first 5 minutes of Austin Powers 3
@castizodonkeykong282
3 жыл бұрын
@@roymakescomics it’s hard to top the 60s stuff, literally my favorite superhero comics ever. Everyone who came after Byrne seems to fundamentally misunderstand the appeal. I also think Jim Lee is sometimes a creative guy, and one of the most natural talents in the industry, it’s more that his style is so copied that it feels stale. It’s not to my taste but I can acknowledge the skill
@josepholesco20613 жыл бұрын
Ringo and Todd Dezago did Tellos for image .And Ringo Also drew an issue of Gen13 Bootleg for Wildstorm.
@YaleStewartArt3 жыл бұрын
That commentary on Sue's pose when she sees Ben for the first time had me DYIN.
@v-trigger6137
3 жыл бұрын
😏
@SHAUMBE.3 жыл бұрын
i can seriously appreciate eps where they have more negative than positive to say lol
@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy
3 жыл бұрын
I would rather someone look at my stuff and be honestly negative (this character sucked because he kicked a baby) than falsely positive (oh it was sooooo Gud!)
@markc54063 жыл бұрын
Yeah, Todd Dezago and Mike Wieringo's Image story was TELLOS. Beautifully written and IMO, Ringo's greatest work. You need to find the big collected hardcover. It would make a GREAT kayfabe episode.
@v-trigger61373 жыл бұрын
you know I really miss the 90s comics, granted some of the art work was overly stylisized and ridiculous and female characters were always sexualized. but that was all part of the fun, at the end we read comics for fun. not because we wanna read a 5 hours serious movie.. huge steroid characters gun blazing, throwing pop culture references and getting an unexpected crossover at the end of a arc, was always fun. nowadays comics don't have these stuff at all. now every comic wants to be edgy and political
@warrenkatz3193 жыл бұрын
Weringo did do his own comic/title under Image (cliffhanger) called Tellos. good fantasy type story that really hits you in the "feels" man
@bobhoskins-kl6ue3 жыл бұрын
the whole hero's reborn thing has to be one of the worst idea ever
@jason53883 жыл бұрын
I think Jim Lee's more interesting when inked by someone other than Scott Williams. Would be interesting for you guys to check out Punisher War Journal 8 and 11, inked by Lee himself and Klaus Janson, respectively.
@BatFan1
3 жыл бұрын
@@JarJarBinks4ever You're joking. Lee hit his peak at the start of his full run on Uncanny X-Men and didnt end until the end of his first run on Wildcats before his sabbatical. This Heroes Reborn FF was his return to full time monthly work and you could tell he was rusty and influenced by J Scott Campbell with his approach to drawing younger characters (slimmer bodies, bigger eyes). He got better as the series went on but we didnt get X-Men Jim Lee again until he did Batman Hush.
@theaceofspades562 жыл бұрын
The suggestion of The Moleman on a bowflex machine made me lol
@gregorywatine85223 жыл бұрын
This is a really interesting video for me because, this comics is the first comics i bought at the age of 9, and i loved it. I'm french so at that time, and especially at my age, super heroes comic books were not a really common thing to find and read. An interesting thing is that this issue was printed on glossy paperin France, so the rendering of colors was more enjoyable on our version. Plus, the dynamism and precision of Jim Lee's pencil was sooo different of the classical humoristic french comic book, which was common to read at that time, so for me it blows my mind ! In fact, discovering comics, the characters (FF in France are way less famous than x-men, spidey, avengers and so on), dr Doom ("dr Fatalis" in french) this comic book was perfect for me. i think the real mistake was to implemant it in the continuity. But, at least it gives the idea of the Marvel Ultimate univers, and gives the credibility of recreation of old characters in a modern way, and (with this bunch of "movies clichés") opening a road for all the following modern super hero movies. Thank you for this critic but really fun video and souvenirs ! :)
@mattprather31403 жыл бұрын
Just saw yesterday's post this morning. Couldn't have anticipated I would be watching this compare and contrast second video today. The idea of the Heroes Reborn line seemed like such a fun idea... it never seemed to gel into something other than, "not pay off "... thanks for sharing this collection of not Jim Lee moments. Still a sucker for some Jim Lee comics though.
@CartoonistKayfabe
3 жыл бұрын
Matt, I think you sum up my feelings well. This is a fun idea. But I didn't find the actual comic fun to read or look at. And that to me is a big difference between the original and this new one. That original felt fun, light, and creative. Even the pacing felt like it moved at a bouncing speed, cartoon-like. In the late 90s/early 2000s, the lack of fun in a lot of the Marvel/DC Comics caused me to look at alternative comics, indies, manga, old comics. In hindsight, I'm grateful that Marvel/DC pushed me away. - Jim
@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy
3 жыл бұрын
@@CartoonistKayfabe I would like to be so bold as to ask if you would be interested in reviewing a proof of concept. If you are interested, the link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZoJ_p6uMY86Yqpc.html. I am in need of a critical eye.
@BANGBANGKILLKILL3 жыл бұрын
At the time Disney/Pixar made The Incredibles, they didn't know they were going to buy Marvel. Fox had the movie rights to Fantastic 4. The entire 3rd act of Fantastic 4 has undergone extensive changes as a result of Disney/Pixar's The Incredibles!
@miamikaos59583 жыл бұрын
Why weren't the Fantastic Four ever arrested for commandeering the spaceship and going into space ahead of the planned launch??
@ericandrew92143 жыл бұрын
I loved the Defalco/Ryan run on FF that proceeded this book.
@garykuzminski79693 жыл бұрын
"... no pun intended." BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! I spit my morning coffee all over my desk.
@jclaurent31083 жыл бұрын
Haha, so true, the Ads next to some of the pages look clearer and more composed. Why the hell would you make the Fantastic Four so damn dark in the first place ?! Baffles me…
@canijustplease3 жыл бұрын
2020 and marvel are yet again struggling to make a buck and they have no one to turn to to save them this time.
@teeveeparty
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think disney is looking to Marvel's comic division to make a huge profit. It's an IP farm to keep the trademarks in play.
@canijustplease
3 жыл бұрын
@@teeveeparty you're not wrong but there does have to be some measure of success and fanfare to give disney an indication of what might work in television and cinema. If everything they churn out is garbage, well what do you think the end product will be also? Their biggest grossing movies were based on very successful and much loved story arcs.
@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy
3 жыл бұрын
Marvel slit their own throat when they reissued all those number ones and reprinted all those comics that ‘no longer existed’ because they decided to base themselves in marketing instead of creating.
@slackerman_music3 жыл бұрын
My friend gave me all the Jim Lee drawn books from this run. I read those books until it was worn down. I returned the favor years later by giving him the trade paperback.
@theartofSkinner2 жыл бұрын
Love watching you guys walk through the past.
@pietrogrillo89833 жыл бұрын
Would love to see you guys go through the 5 issues of the Silver Surfer Black by Tradd Moore
@snarferyasmr37393 жыл бұрын
I came across all the Reborn issues when I was cutting down my collection, they didn't sell on eBay and ended up being donated lol. Shoulda sent them to the boys
@stevegreen20823 жыл бұрын
I absolutely loved this issue and the whole run as a kid. This book made me a huge FF fan.
@cluelessbeats3 жыл бұрын
Ugh, looks like the 90s just up and puked all over that paper. Give me Lee/Kirby FF all day long over this
@NitroModelsAndComics3 жыл бұрын
I remember them giving these away at the Boston Con weeks after it came out. I grabbed a few and sat with it to read it. I got through the first few pages and threw em in a box where they probably still are to this day. Ughhhh..
@presteign993 жыл бұрын
Ringo did Tellos at Image.
@bobhoskins-kl6ue3 жыл бұрын
I bought this when it came out because I was interested in FF and Lee's art, I think I dropped it after issue 2 or 3
@uu1198163 жыл бұрын
No joke - I can very VERY clearly remember thinking Ed’s exact settlement regarding the Brandon Choi popular movie influence/cliches as a 14 year old in the 90s
@jclaurent31083 жыл бұрын
Well if you don’t want to do issue two, go for the Rob Liefeld one, it cannot be worse … or can it ;-))) !!!
@ryanjavierortega85133 жыл бұрын
It’s so cool that Jim Lee is a Tiger.
@ferrarriohh3 жыл бұрын
This was a good punt for F4, i always dug Jim’s covers for this series so it pulled me in, but the real series is the Claremont/Larroca run that follows it.
@theragoooverlord50213 жыл бұрын
I was on two sides of this understanding through wizard that parts of the industry were not on board. The only part of h.r I'd recommend is the first 6 issues of each title.
@DCMarvelMultiverse3 жыл бұрын
I love this issue. This is the best FF movie by far. And it's a comic.
@davewrighteous54083 жыл бұрын
The Fantastic Four have always been my favorite Marvel characters and I remember getting this when it came out. Ugh. The lads are bang on with their review. Choi simply floods the book with Claremont levels of dry dialogue and the colors are a muddy mess. I've never liked Jim Lee as I find his page layouts and storytelling/narrative skills to be extremely weak and that's on full display here. DeFalco and Ryan had put in a decent run on the FF for years and they got removed for this?!? Awful and mercifully brief.
@liamfortune71152 жыл бұрын
Jim’s “that’s funny” at the image reporter lady was so dead inside,my exact feelings on this comic lmao
@drawrobot3 жыл бұрын
All I see is mud. Gradient mud. Blech!
@darioscomicschool11113 жыл бұрын
13:42 I would have loved to collect al the first Issues of heroes Reborn, but I was young back then and was already Collecting X-Men and Wolverine Monthly here in Germany! But that Fantastic Four N#01 I had to have!
@louiechin29373 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah! The ringo book. Was it tellos or something like that
@edmunddansart72533 жыл бұрын
Tellos! (Weringo's Image book)
@timothybarnett10063 жыл бұрын
about the colouring, wasn't one of the main reasons DC brought Wildstorm was to get their state of the art colouring department.
@yolanda85633 жыл бұрын
I had this issue as a kid without the cover.
@justin-md4xm9 ай бұрын
Dem back muscles
@jeremytaylor50922 жыл бұрын
To speak of the color the. Need some complamplanentary color to Cho with that blue and some complementary color palettes to help it is Choi writing anything for DC now?
@loringbush33193 жыл бұрын
Jim Lee used a centerfold picture of Jenna Jameson!
@juggernaut444 ай бұрын
This story catches a lot of slack, but I do believe it is good; it actually sums up the Fantastic Four nicely and is really the first pseudo-ultimates line before ultimates... it has a lot of words, but it is trying to fit in a lot and a lot of comics before the cinematic era had a lot of words
@erikwirfs-brock24323 жыл бұрын
A Jim Lee comic that is not even really fun to look at, what a sin (and decompression in comics only got worse over time, although it kind of makes sense if a lot of comics are more like proof of concepts for movies)
@palchristianandersen9086
3 жыл бұрын
It's kinda funny when you open some modern comic and every page is just 4 wide panels. Like not even hiding it at all.
@GregHallArt3 жыл бұрын
Ed, you and Greg 'Craola' Simkins have the same voice. You sound identical.
@JakobNoone3 жыл бұрын
We've seen the origin panels of the FF "retold" many times over the years. Besides the original Kirby in FF 1... who redrew the sequence best? And (if you can remember) where?
@JakobNoone
3 жыл бұрын
For my money the answer is probably Kirby himself who redrew the sequence later in his Marvel Age of Comics period with his more mature style. But that's a bit of a cop-out. So John Byrne gets my nod.
@davelanciani-dimaensionx2 жыл бұрын
It's funny, I say the same thing about EVERY dialogue line in a Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich movie. It's nothing but bad cliches from other movies.
@KmanScan3 жыл бұрын
I guess the #1 by Scott Lobdell and Alan Davis WON'T be next? :-P
@jerartist1273 жыл бұрын
this to me was a beautiful comic
@retrovideos14453 жыл бұрын
Think this was the last superhero comic I bought
@EDifyer8813 жыл бұрын
Sue's got back lol
@moviepitches3 жыл бұрын
I'm glad I'm not the only one that hates Brandon Choi, he may have single handedly fucked Jim Lee's true greatness with these garbage stories he wrote.
@madbug19653 жыл бұрын
These Image reboot books were a big waste of time. They all sucked. Bad art. Bad designs. Bad storytelling. Does anyone remember that terrible Iron Man design with the big pipes coming out of his back? This was a low point in Marvel Comics.
@samankucher51172 жыл бұрын
to be honest I click because of the thumbnail... I can't ignore that thiccness go unclicked I have to say the thing is just build different.
@cullenn21003 жыл бұрын
I *just* read the 4-issue "World War 3" storyline (it wan through all the 13th Heroes Reborn issues). It was TERRIBLE. James Robinson was definitely on something last-minute. It was hacky even for an already-hacky gimmick
@jclaurent31083 жыл бұрын
I wonder if this is actually not the worst Jim Lee work, and nobody will agree with me, but Scott Williams did not help ! Funny thing is this applies to all the Heroes Reborn titles, it’s likes those guys took a piss and laughed at Marvel begging them to save them, and rushed in here with no respect or interest for it. This was there change to make History and do there very best, but spoiled as they were at the time, I think they didn’t see the opportunity ! Big mistake from Marvel to let this happen … SAD !!!
@JakobNoone
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I tried all these comics. Liefeld's felt like he was trying to do good comics, but just had bad chops until he lost interest. Jim Lee's totally felt like he was phoning it in or signing his name to assistant's work from the get-go. I stuck with them all longer than I should have.
@BatFan1
3 жыл бұрын
this was Jim's return to full monthly comics since the end of the first Wildcat run and Deathblow. He had done some fill in issues here and there for various Wilstorm books but you can tell he was rusty in this issue. Not to mention influenced by J Scott Campbell and his approach to drawing younger characters. I feel we didnt get the real Jim Lee back until he did the Batman Hush run.
@TRC7143 жыл бұрын
Comic art has really gone downhill since the 90’s.
@Junketsuadidas
3 жыл бұрын
It’s out there, just gotta look harder for it because the big 2 won’t give artists a spotlight anymore
@MagicJulienBertone2 жыл бұрын
Body counts updates hahahahahaha
@TheWhmaxwell3 жыл бұрын
That whole comic is NOT an improvement.... Amazingly poor work, script, color, even the art is super stiff. I had honestly forgotten about that comic until this vid.. thanks for bringing that back to mind!!! LOL
Пікірлер: 80
Jim Lee had lots of reference magazines back then: National Geographic, Penthouse, Playboy, Hustler. He gave them all to Greg Land later on.
@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy
3 жыл бұрын
A healthy dose of ‘art’ books helps the budding artist figure out where her organs is.
Growing up in the 2000s, every How to Draw book was aping the Jim Lee/Image style. Every time I see Jim Lee draw a spaceship, I see no imagination in it because it looks like every book I got a scholastic book fair. Not to mention that FF should be the craziest, most high-concept book in Marvel’s corner at any given time and this Choi guy wants to turn it into the first 5 minutes of Austin Powers 3
@castizodonkeykong282
3 жыл бұрын
@@roymakescomics it’s hard to top the 60s stuff, literally my favorite superhero comics ever. Everyone who came after Byrne seems to fundamentally misunderstand the appeal. I also think Jim Lee is sometimes a creative guy, and one of the most natural talents in the industry, it’s more that his style is so copied that it feels stale. It’s not to my taste but I can acknowledge the skill
Ringo and Todd Dezago did Tellos for image .And Ringo Also drew an issue of Gen13 Bootleg for Wildstorm.
That commentary on Sue's pose when she sees Ben for the first time had me DYIN.
@v-trigger6137
3 жыл бұрын
😏
i can seriously appreciate eps where they have more negative than positive to say lol
@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy
3 жыл бұрын
I would rather someone look at my stuff and be honestly negative (this character sucked because he kicked a baby) than falsely positive (oh it was sooooo Gud!)
Yeah, Todd Dezago and Mike Wieringo's Image story was TELLOS. Beautifully written and IMO, Ringo's greatest work. You need to find the big collected hardcover. It would make a GREAT kayfabe episode.
you know I really miss the 90s comics, granted some of the art work was overly stylisized and ridiculous and female characters were always sexualized. but that was all part of the fun, at the end we read comics for fun. not because we wanna read a 5 hours serious movie.. huge steroid characters gun blazing, throwing pop culture references and getting an unexpected crossover at the end of a arc, was always fun. nowadays comics don't have these stuff at all. now every comic wants to be edgy and political
Weringo did do his own comic/title under Image (cliffhanger) called Tellos. good fantasy type story that really hits you in the "feels" man
the whole hero's reborn thing has to be one of the worst idea ever
I think Jim Lee's more interesting when inked by someone other than Scott Williams. Would be interesting for you guys to check out Punisher War Journal 8 and 11, inked by Lee himself and Klaus Janson, respectively.
@BatFan1
3 жыл бұрын
@@JarJarBinks4ever You're joking. Lee hit his peak at the start of his full run on Uncanny X-Men and didnt end until the end of his first run on Wildcats before his sabbatical. This Heroes Reborn FF was his return to full time monthly work and you could tell he was rusty and influenced by J Scott Campbell with his approach to drawing younger characters (slimmer bodies, bigger eyes). He got better as the series went on but we didnt get X-Men Jim Lee again until he did Batman Hush.
The suggestion of The Moleman on a bowflex machine made me lol
This is a really interesting video for me because, this comics is the first comics i bought at the age of 9, and i loved it. I'm french so at that time, and especially at my age, super heroes comic books were not a really common thing to find and read. An interesting thing is that this issue was printed on glossy paperin France, so the rendering of colors was more enjoyable on our version. Plus, the dynamism and precision of Jim Lee's pencil was sooo different of the classical humoristic french comic book, which was common to read at that time, so for me it blows my mind ! In fact, discovering comics, the characters (FF in France are way less famous than x-men, spidey, avengers and so on), dr Doom ("dr Fatalis" in french) this comic book was perfect for me. i think the real mistake was to implemant it in the continuity. But, at least it gives the idea of the Marvel Ultimate univers, and gives the credibility of recreation of old characters in a modern way, and (with this bunch of "movies clichés") opening a road for all the following modern super hero movies. Thank you for this critic but really fun video and souvenirs ! :)
Just saw yesterday's post this morning. Couldn't have anticipated I would be watching this compare and contrast second video today. The idea of the Heroes Reborn line seemed like such a fun idea... it never seemed to gel into something other than, "not pay off "... thanks for sharing this collection of not Jim Lee moments. Still a sucker for some Jim Lee comics though.
@CartoonistKayfabe
3 жыл бұрын
Matt, I think you sum up my feelings well. This is a fun idea. But I didn't find the actual comic fun to read or look at. And that to me is a big difference between the original and this new one. That original felt fun, light, and creative. Even the pacing felt like it moved at a bouncing speed, cartoon-like. In the late 90s/early 2000s, the lack of fun in a lot of the Marvel/DC Comics caused me to look at alternative comics, indies, manga, old comics. In hindsight, I'm grateful that Marvel/DC pushed me away. - Jim
@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy
3 жыл бұрын
@@CartoonistKayfabe I would like to be so bold as to ask if you would be interested in reviewing a proof of concept. If you are interested, the link: kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZoJ_p6uMY86Yqpc.html. I am in need of a critical eye.
At the time Disney/Pixar made The Incredibles, they didn't know they were going to buy Marvel. Fox had the movie rights to Fantastic 4. The entire 3rd act of Fantastic 4 has undergone extensive changes as a result of Disney/Pixar's The Incredibles!
Why weren't the Fantastic Four ever arrested for commandeering the spaceship and going into space ahead of the planned launch??
I loved the Defalco/Ryan run on FF that proceeded this book.
"... no pun intended." BWAAAHHAHAHAHAHA! I spit my morning coffee all over my desk.
Haha, so true, the Ads next to some of the pages look clearer and more composed. Why the hell would you make the Fantastic Four so damn dark in the first place ?! Baffles me…
2020 and marvel are yet again struggling to make a buck and they have no one to turn to to save them this time.
@teeveeparty
3 жыл бұрын
I don't think disney is looking to Marvel's comic division to make a huge profit. It's an IP farm to keep the trademarks in play.
@canijustplease
3 жыл бұрын
@@teeveeparty you're not wrong but there does have to be some measure of success and fanfare to give disney an indication of what might work in television and cinema. If everything they churn out is garbage, well what do you think the end product will be also? Their biggest grossing movies were based on very successful and much loved story arcs.
@RobertWilkinsonJKekMaloy
3 жыл бұрын
Marvel slit their own throat when they reissued all those number ones and reprinted all those comics that ‘no longer existed’ because they decided to base themselves in marketing instead of creating.
My friend gave me all the Jim Lee drawn books from this run. I read those books until it was worn down. I returned the favor years later by giving him the trade paperback.
Love watching you guys walk through the past.
Would love to see you guys go through the 5 issues of the Silver Surfer Black by Tradd Moore
I came across all the Reborn issues when I was cutting down my collection, they didn't sell on eBay and ended up being donated lol. Shoulda sent them to the boys
I absolutely loved this issue and the whole run as a kid. This book made me a huge FF fan.
Ugh, looks like the 90s just up and puked all over that paper. Give me Lee/Kirby FF all day long over this
I remember them giving these away at the Boston Con weeks after it came out. I grabbed a few and sat with it to read it. I got through the first few pages and threw em in a box where they probably still are to this day. Ughhhh..
Ringo did Tellos at Image.
I bought this when it came out because I was interested in FF and Lee's art, I think I dropped it after issue 2 or 3
No joke - I can very VERY clearly remember thinking Ed’s exact settlement regarding the Brandon Choi popular movie influence/cliches as a 14 year old in the 90s
Well if you don’t want to do issue two, go for the Rob Liefeld one, it cannot be worse … or can it ;-))) !!!
It’s so cool that Jim Lee is a Tiger.
This was a good punt for F4, i always dug Jim’s covers for this series so it pulled me in, but the real series is the Claremont/Larroca run that follows it.
I was on two sides of this understanding through wizard that parts of the industry were not on board. The only part of h.r I'd recommend is the first 6 issues of each title.
I love this issue. This is the best FF movie by far. And it's a comic.
The Fantastic Four have always been my favorite Marvel characters and I remember getting this when it came out. Ugh. The lads are bang on with their review. Choi simply floods the book with Claremont levels of dry dialogue and the colors are a muddy mess. I've never liked Jim Lee as I find his page layouts and storytelling/narrative skills to be extremely weak and that's on full display here. DeFalco and Ryan had put in a decent run on the FF for years and they got removed for this?!? Awful and mercifully brief.
Jim’s “that’s funny” at the image reporter lady was so dead inside,my exact feelings on this comic lmao
All I see is mud. Gradient mud. Blech!
13:42 I would have loved to collect al the first Issues of heroes Reborn, but I was young back then and was already Collecting X-Men and Wolverine Monthly here in Germany! But that Fantastic Four N#01 I had to have!
Oh yeah! The ringo book. Was it tellos or something like that
Tellos! (Weringo's Image book)
about the colouring, wasn't one of the main reasons DC brought Wildstorm was to get their state of the art colouring department.
I had this issue as a kid without the cover.
Dem back muscles
To speak of the color the. Need some complamplanentary color to Cho with that blue and some complementary color palettes to help it is Choi writing anything for DC now?
Jim Lee used a centerfold picture of Jenna Jameson!
This story catches a lot of slack, but I do believe it is good; it actually sums up the Fantastic Four nicely and is really the first pseudo-ultimates line before ultimates... it has a lot of words, but it is trying to fit in a lot and a lot of comics before the cinematic era had a lot of words
A Jim Lee comic that is not even really fun to look at, what a sin (and decompression in comics only got worse over time, although it kind of makes sense if a lot of comics are more like proof of concepts for movies)
@palchristianandersen9086
3 жыл бұрын
It's kinda funny when you open some modern comic and every page is just 4 wide panels. Like not even hiding it at all.
Ed, you and Greg 'Craola' Simkins have the same voice. You sound identical.
We've seen the origin panels of the FF "retold" many times over the years. Besides the original Kirby in FF 1... who redrew the sequence best? And (if you can remember) where?
@JakobNoone
3 жыл бұрын
For my money the answer is probably Kirby himself who redrew the sequence later in his Marvel Age of Comics period with his more mature style. But that's a bit of a cop-out. So John Byrne gets my nod.
It's funny, I say the same thing about EVERY dialogue line in a Michael Bay or Roland Emmerich movie. It's nothing but bad cliches from other movies.
I guess the #1 by Scott Lobdell and Alan Davis WON'T be next? :-P
this to me was a beautiful comic
Think this was the last superhero comic I bought
Sue's got back lol
I'm glad I'm not the only one that hates Brandon Choi, he may have single handedly fucked Jim Lee's true greatness with these garbage stories he wrote.
These Image reboot books were a big waste of time. They all sucked. Bad art. Bad designs. Bad storytelling. Does anyone remember that terrible Iron Man design with the big pipes coming out of his back? This was a low point in Marvel Comics.
to be honest I click because of the thumbnail... I can't ignore that thiccness go unclicked I have to say the thing is just build different.
I *just* read the 4-issue "World War 3" storyline (it wan through all the 13th Heroes Reborn issues). It was TERRIBLE. James Robinson was definitely on something last-minute. It was hacky even for an already-hacky gimmick
I wonder if this is actually not the worst Jim Lee work, and nobody will agree with me, but Scott Williams did not help ! Funny thing is this applies to all the Heroes Reborn titles, it’s likes those guys took a piss and laughed at Marvel begging them to save them, and rushed in here with no respect or interest for it. This was there change to make History and do there very best, but spoiled as they were at the time, I think they didn’t see the opportunity ! Big mistake from Marvel to let this happen … SAD !!!
@JakobNoone
3 жыл бұрын
Absolutely. I tried all these comics. Liefeld's felt like he was trying to do good comics, but just had bad chops until he lost interest. Jim Lee's totally felt like he was phoning it in or signing his name to assistant's work from the get-go. I stuck with them all longer than I should have.
@BatFan1
3 жыл бұрын
this was Jim's return to full monthly comics since the end of the first Wildcat run and Deathblow. He had done some fill in issues here and there for various Wilstorm books but you can tell he was rusty in this issue. Not to mention influenced by J Scott Campbell and his approach to drawing younger characters. I feel we didnt get the real Jim Lee back until he did the Batman Hush run.
Comic art has really gone downhill since the 90’s.
@Junketsuadidas
3 жыл бұрын
It’s out there, just gotta look harder for it because the big 2 won’t give artists a spotlight anymore
Body counts updates hahahahahaha
That whole comic is NOT an improvement.... Amazingly poor work, script, color, even the art is super stiff. I had honestly forgotten about that comic until this vid.. thanks for bringing that back to mind!!! LOL