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@davidsabillon5182

Жыл бұрын

You had me at fallout. Like commented and subscribed 👍

@Teddy-rv8iw

Жыл бұрын

Love the video, but its not pronounced forecastle, its Fo'c'sle. As in (faw-k-sil), its ship terminology.

@tobiwonkanogy2975

Жыл бұрын

I hadn't given it much thought but now remembering the setup of the Prydwen , I'm not remembering any bathrooms. Maybe because it would need plumbing, grey and blue water storage as well and devs just didn't have time or overlooked it.

@brokeandtired

Жыл бұрын

@@tobiwonkanogy2975 Also just taking a dump over the outside railing would work, a plank with a hole and wrap around railing fixes this easy. Even if you occasionally drop last nights curry on a super mutant.

@overboss9599

Жыл бұрын

In regards to recovering fixed wing aircraft on the prydwen, I have a potential solution in the form of the brodie system, there's a good video about It on rex's hangar (another youtuber) I think it could be made to work. As for weapons, instead of those gauss turrets, perhaps something more akin to that automortar system the Germans were experimenting with during WWII. As for fallout lifting gas, I was under the impression that the hydrogen bags only accounted for part of the prydwen's lift system, with the nuclear engine providing the bulk of it,

The thing that annoys me is that when a vertibird connects to the prydwen it stops the engines before you even get pulled by the trapeze system

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

That is a very fair complaint. I wonder what the technical reason is behind that. I mean they have the animation, and eyes, so I hope they wouldn't have done that unless the engine prevented them from having the rotors spinning while the skyhook connects.

@emilthedebil5259

Жыл бұрын

@@spydingo i didn't think you would reply lol

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

@@emilthedebil5259 I try to reply to all the comments I get, though I often miss replies since KZread studio doesn't really give a great interface to track em'.

@opticloki4750

Жыл бұрын

My guess is when fallout was made the the Hook and the vertebra already connected just invisibly

@emilthedebil5259

Жыл бұрын

@@opticloki4750 thats called 'bethesda logic'

The power armor has a built-in toilet. Only knights are allowed to poop

@dabbingraccoons6416

Ай бұрын

You can also drop shits on the filth of the wasteland

@PanAndScanBuddy

Ай бұрын

​@@dabbingraccoons6416you mean the highly concentrated Brotherhood of Steel fertilizer? Man eating plants need some steroid tainted stuff to overpower the animals in the wasteland.

@patrick476

Ай бұрын

@@dabbingraccoons6416 Now raiders will smell even worse

@rolandswift4311

Ай бұрын

@@patrick476 Will they, though? Might be an improvement for some of them.

@hikingglint9648

Ай бұрын

The suit keeps your body moisture from escaping into the atmosphere. Bodily waste is processed in the thighs, and following good Stillsuit rules will kee- oH ShiT wrong series my bad.

It's called the poop deck for a reason.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Haha! Nailed it

@danteunknown2108

Ай бұрын

Damn, stole my line LoL

@Porterpotty34

11 күн бұрын

The solid waste is the people of the airports problem

i love the idea of giant gauss turrets on the prydwen. kind of mirrors how i tend to build airships in FTD

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

It really makes her look like the Alpha predator of the wasteland for sure!

@thequietstag4366

Жыл бұрын

What's FTD?

@liquidflorian

Жыл бұрын

I had thought of the Donnager from the Expanse series.

@the_inquisitive_inquisitor

Жыл бұрын

@@shipmasterkent9176 OP peaked my interest, but you've gained my attention.

@imonke5303

Жыл бұрын

@@shipmasterkent9176 sounds like spore kinda

Interestingly in the concept art the prydwen is quite different than the one in game, firstly it looks more rugged, more scavenged like, as well as having a forward attack bridge which can lower down and deploy troops at the front. It is also in the art capable of carrying 6 vertibirds and looks about 30% longer, lastly it even has some sort of orbital laser canon.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

It certainly does, it almost looks more raider like than BoS like to be honest. I like the laser canon, it has a pretty nice aesthetic in my opinion and more vertibirds is better. Though I'm not really sure how the vertibirds would be loaded and unloaded with the birds being so close together. It doesn't look like there is any space for a gantry to the middle craft. I suppose if you had a gantry on either side of the cluster that could be moved once either of the bookending vertibirds took off this configuration could have worked.

@bendover9813

Жыл бұрын

The BOS actively clean and polish their gear though, they’re essentially a functional military and government. Their ship could definitely look more ramshackle after 200 years I guess, but I don’t really see how. They legit have scavenged pre-war tech that’s been repaired and cleaned consistently since being found.

@wargames43

11 ай бұрын

Allot of this can point to engine limitations. Having a clean but maybe unrealistic machine for the universe has less vertisies as well as drawcalls so cheaper to render. I think if they truly went with the more rustic design there would be to many polygons and materials used for the consoles at that time as well as limitations by the engine. Compare the prydwin to the new star field ships and you will see wat increased computing power means for games like this

@dustinyancey2194

20 күн бұрын

​@bendover9813 they actually repaired it over several years with parts they could get and even the power source of an aircraft carrier.

The enhanced prydwen overhaul mod is pretty great. Its a much more realistic setting inside as it has bathrooms, bedroom quarters for the crew with actual bunkbeds, and improved use of cargo spaces so things dont seem so empty and underutilized. Its made the prydwen more homey while still maintaining the militaristic aesthetic for my bos character

@thisisaname5589

2 ай бұрын

It's pathetic that modders have to constantly step in to fix Bethesda's minimal effort slop games.

@thisisaname5589

Ай бұрын

@@wfr878 I guess that means that the people buying their games are to blame, too.

@Theanimeisforme

Ай бұрын

​@@thisisaname5589you're welcome to make a game or perhaps something of your level, a mod.

@thisisaname5589

Ай бұрын

@@Theanimeisforme No, I'll just constantly heckle people foolish enough to give money to this awful company.

@higueraft571

Ай бұрын

@@thisisaname5589 >to fix Bethesda's minimal effort slop games. Gonna be honest, it seems like you didnt watch the video. Some of it absolutely IS minimal effort slop, but this design at least IS decent enough to begin with.

If you have a large reactor, one has to really answer the question: Where *are* all the energy weapons hiding?

@silverbloodborne9495

Жыл бұрын

Well shown on the concept art id say to the front of the ship I could see where those empty space inside would be where wires and tubes to operate the weapons .

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

To that point, where is the reactor hiding? Perhaps such elements were in the plan, but didn't get implemented because the reactors cooling system is so bizarrely inefficient.

@meeperdudeify

Жыл бұрын

In the hands of power armoured soldiers

@Otterdisappointment

Жыл бұрын

I think it’s just another problem in design mistakes and limitations whereas why anyone would make a zeppelin in a world of early fusion and that it would be such an achievement they could just make a slightly smaller version of a Halo style ship that goes slow and hovers better or a couple but send one that’s slightly bigger and has small bays like a real idea of a parasite airship.

@Otterdisappointment

Жыл бұрын

@@spydingo it’s not inefficient (that thing is massive) it’s just overworked at all times. It’s powering the airport partially and for most of the game it supports Liberty Prime’s reactivation. They also probably recharge fusion cells and cores with it.

3:34 fun fact: the parasite fighters we're intended to be the F-4 Phantom, which is a VERY large aircraft, and would've given the Lockheed Cl-1201 formidable firepower.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Very large indeed, but crazy awesome. There has got to be a good name for the mothership that would play off of "Phantom", like a whispmother from skyrim or something.

@random_femboy_protogen

Жыл бұрын

@@spydingo they actually had an even crazier plan. One of the versions of the Cl-1201 was intended to ferry cargo around, and would dock with TWO Boeing 707 airliners, transfer cargo to the 707's, and then the 707's would deliver the cargo near the battlefield. Potentially the craziest cargo aircraft concept of all time

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

@@random_femboy_protogen I love it, this idea belongs in fallout!

@smithjones3548

Жыл бұрын

Pity they didn't employ the powerful B-36, eliminating the piston engines altogether and going with ten jet engines...would have been a behemoth.

@oliverfarley7552

Жыл бұрын

Has anyone heard about the M-21 Blackbird and it’s daughter the D-21 it’s a interesting story and I suggest you check it out In short they made tiny unmanned SR-71 and launched it from a SR-71 or B-52

I feel like if you did use the top deck for fixed wing aircraft then a elevator system could lower and raise aircraft rather than having no ability to recover them

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

An elevator system would make a lot of sense in order to increase the fixed wing aircraft complement the Prydwen could field, but without a VTOL type of fighter I still don't think there would be a way to recover them. That being said though, having the flight deck be on top with an elevator is arguably a much better system for launching and recovering VBs as well.

@endymionselene165

Жыл бұрын

@@spydingo You might be forgetting the incredible amount of weight that an elevator would have to be carry just one VB. The Nimitz-class Aircraft Carriers have 4 lifts of 105 tons each but can only carry around 46.5 tons each. The lightest one that could maybe be about 16.9 tons, rounded down, and only capable of carrying 7.5 tons (2000lbs = 1 ton). The lightest one is based off of the 105 tons being divided by 46.5 tons. Edit: You need to have 2 at the bare minimum to be able keep it balanced more easily.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

@@endymionselene165 That's a fair callout. Though I think when you already have an airship of 40,000 tons you've already given up on the weight of the vehicle being a design constraint. I completely agree that their should be two though, symmetry is king!

@endymionselene165

Жыл бұрын

@@spydingo Do you know the weight of a vertibird? cause if you do I would go with the lightest lift and get more of them for redundancy.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

@@endymionselene165 Unfortunately no. For a rough approximation though the Osprey is 33,140 lbs (16.5 tons) and the VB-01 appears to be smaller than an Osprey, so the lightest lift likely wouldn't cut it.

the Prydwen is capable of refueling the Virtibirds as they are docked, meaning the ones we see flying most likely just exchanged places with the ones already docked, meaning the crew could be exchanged as well so the ones that WERE flying now could rest as the other ones took over in a refueled Virtibird. that probably explains why there were more then 4 Virtibirds there at that point in time.

@Model_Guy

2 ай бұрын

That's what I was thinking but you'd basically be running each bird 24/7 which is gonna build on maintenance

@zerrierslizer1

2 ай бұрын

@@Model_Guy not really an issue for the Brotherhood when you thinnk about it. they got the plans for them and more than likely had people specially trained to maintain them to peak performance at all times. they know tech inside out, so it would never be an issue for them.

You pointed out the pair of engine telegraphs (that's the proper name for them) at the helm and said that it was unnecessary to have two. But it does make sense in the design of older airships. Having two telegraphs meant that you could issue orders to the port and starboard engines. This meant that you could order one side to increase or decrease power to assist in turning or to counter a crosswind.

@ZiddersRooFurry

11 ай бұрын

Oceangoing ships often had more than one.

@geordannicholson2854

2 ай бұрын

​@@ZiddersRooFurry ocean-going ships usually have exactly two

@ZiddersRooFurry

2 ай бұрын

@@geordannicholson2854 Two is more than one, yes,

@birdboy0013

Ай бұрын

Glad I scrolled a bit I was about to mention this.

16:00 yeah, just a simple shot being lazered out of the sky by defenses on your first entry or something would've gone a long way. The defenses problem is way more story relevant to me than the cargo/freight issue and thus demands an in-game answer for the simple fact it's directly mentioned imo

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Right? I mean heck, they have vertbirds, just have one of those use their machine gun to shoot a few down. Maybe even have a vertibird take a direct hit trying to protect the prydwen, could have been powerful. Instead no actual defenses. Yeah, the freight thing is more of a fringe functionality issue with the vehicle design that I don't necessarily expect artists to really care that much about. Given the large emphasis the game puts into Liberty prime though, I think its more of a problem, then say the yangtze not really having the ability to load any torpedoes into her hull for example.

@iyadmajdi

Жыл бұрын

I used to have a theory in where the coils we see around the ship’s hull are actually magnetic field generators which are used to deflect attacks and counter lightning strikes.

Why have bathrooms when you could piss n shit off the deck and drop it on scavs down below? 🤣

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

yeah as @chiefsean16 said, its called the poop deck for a reason!

This is the kind of video I absolutely love. You know what i'd add to it? Ball turrets! On the front, and at the side catwalks, would be cool if they were modeled after the Maxim/Vickers style Assault Rifle too, in .50cal of course

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

I do love me the aesthetic of a ball turret, it also would be pretty neat from a internal design standpoint to liven up the main deck, give a lot of those catwalks more of a purpose.

@MidanMagistrate

Жыл бұрын

@@spydingo I also like the idea that the Gunners, who we know to be very well equipped, trying to board and steal the Prydwen for themselves, I imagine they have more (but in worse repair) Vertibirds, and of course we know they have Power Armor. Would be a nice change from the usual Enclave.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

@@MidanMagistrate The gunners are a really interesting faction, it's a shame that not a lot was really done with them. They are a lot like talon company in that regard. With the Gunners though, their is a clear command and control structure along with, as you say, significant amounts of military tech. It would have been really interesting, as say a evil playthrough, to take over the commonwealth with them without going full on raider mode. It also would have presented an interesting confrontation between military esc powers that I feel fallout 4 is severely lacking.

@rustyshackleford1465

Жыл бұрын

That might have actually justified the existence of the "Assault Rifle" abominations. water-cooled MGs are always a good idea, especially for a craft like the Prydwen.

@MidanMagistrate

Жыл бұрын

@@rustyshackleford1465 Well of course THE Rusty Shackleford would love Water Cooled weaponry, cant trust that there government air not to have nanobot saboteurs!

On the top of the prydwen it'd be better off having frieght elevators, comm equipment, and various missile batteries on top and large autocannons on the bottom of it. for power i think a couple or a few vault-tec super reactors would likely handle the power needs of the ship.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

I agree, that's a much more sensible usage of the upper deck. I just couldn't resist the appeal of the big ol' battleship guns. The power situation is a bit of a sticky wicket if you will. It doesn't come across as the fusion reactor she is currently equipped with isn't capable of generating sufficient power, but that the loss rate of the coolant is preventing the reactor from being used. I suppose that must be an artifact of using an aircraft carrier's reactor, who would likely intake sea water for coolant and mounting it on an zeppelin that wouldn't have that option necessarily. I agree though, the way vault-tec reactors are represented in game it's really odd that the Prydwen's power plant is so heavily restricted. Like you say, why not go with a few of those and skip the headache?

@hanzzel6086

Ай бұрын

Especially considering there isn't exactly a lack of at least partially functional ones lying around that *literally no one alive* cares about, or a lack of knowledge in how to maintain and repair them! Why go through the hassle of tearing apart Rivet City (pissing off literally everyone, in and out of world, in the process) for a massive, unreliable, and half functional reactor with absolutely no spare parts in sight, when there are far more compact, and reliable ones literally everywhere. There are no less than 5 abandoned Vaults (with at least 4 reactors each) in F:3 and a great deal of the military infrastructure also seems to make extensive use of them (in all 3d titles). With them you are basically guaranteed to have parts (and probably personal knowledgeable of them) anywhere you go in the continuous continental U.S (and probably in most of the important territories as well, like Hawaii and Puerto Rico).

Deacon during Red Glare (RailRoad Prydwen Destruction Mission): Buoyancy Gas is good old Hydrogen, Helium is just too expensive to come by.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps, though I'll take the art book at its word that it's more than just that. The gas bags do have a weird powered sound effect type of thing, so maybe the hydrogen gas's lifting effect is multiplied through fusion magic? Is there any basis to this working in physics? Doubtful, but oh well.

@danielmiller4763

Ай бұрын

@@spydingoDanse often makes a remark about sleeping under hydrogen gas.

I think Gauss cannons on the underside would make sense, but also that runway on the top deck and maybe smaller guns up there, too. The canvas section of the hull makes sense to me because it's above where the Vertibirds dock, and you don't want learning pilots to destroy the propellers going a bit to high and hitting steel with them. And yes, I would add swivel mounts to the vetrical lift thrusters, and I would move them to be closer to the middle deck than the uppermost or lowermost deck, allowing for mor construction on top and below. Maybe make the assault ramp on the bow more useful and allow it to transport cargo into the ship.

It is floated by Howardgen: it just works.

The mixture of propulsion systems does make some sense. Jets gain fuel efficiency from being so fast/operational altitude that their running time to reach their destination offset their running cost. Propellers by contrast can be fuel efficient at lower speeds, pending on how fast they rotate, can be somewhat quiet - and if we assume a electric generator connected to the nuclear setup - efficiency might go through the roof. Jets also tend to have more thrust force - so using Props that may run for 'free' during cruising, and high power jets for manoeuvring does make some amount of sense.

Personally, I think that lore wise the Prydwen has a larger air wing than we see or than the ingame model appears to have. My argument regarding this is the number of Vertibirds we see patrolling the Commonwealth upon her arrival combined with those we see docked onboard when at the airport and those that are on the ground (along with any replacements we see due to combat losses). Furthermore, it is stated by one of the characters that they can’t loan you any of the dedicated attack/gunship models due to a need elsewhere. Also, if you lead the BoS in attacking Acadia in Far Harbor, it is stated that the Vertibirds needed to be outfitted with additional fuel tanks for range to reach the island so I doubt that the Vertibirds could fly from DC to Boston on their own. As for enhancements, I would mostly go with your improvements but throw in an interior hangar for the air wing, a ventral cargo bay and rear “assault ramp” for cargo, and obviously add bathroom’s. Maybe even install a dorsal flight deck for fixed wing aircraft with aircraft elevators leading to and from an internal hangar. Weapon wise, I agree with you on the laser based CIWS, the ventral gauss cannons, and maybe the energy shielding (bit hesitant on that one) but I disagree when it comes to the dorsal weapons. Instead, I would probably install a VLS system for ground attack munitions and air defense missiles

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

If that vertibird fuel usage statistic is correct, they are terribly inefficient. That's a really short journey, I mean today's Osprey can do 12k miles. They should really be able to get from Boston to Maine. I agree completely, she needs a real hangar, a real cargo bay, and bathrooms. The ventral cargo bay would require some significant redesigns of the aesthetic, but I completely agree the assault ramp needs to connect to something like that. I love the idea of the brotherhood loading up some fallout Sherman tanks and unloading them for ground assaults. I think the energy shielding has a lot of utility, but agree that it doesn't seem like her fusion plant / coolant situation really allows for such an energy hog to be installed realistically. A VLS system would make a lot of sense, and I like the idea of air defense missiles. The main thing is it needs SOME sort of self defense capability, relying on just the air complement is crazy.

@lightspeedvictory

Жыл бұрын

@@spydingo cargo bay also needs to have a ventral hatch and crane, so it can lift things directly into the cargo bay

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

@@lightspeedvictory You right

@masterridley8593

Жыл бұрын

I'd imagine that en route to commonwealth, some of the tanks around the gantries for the vertibirds would hold fuel, and in flight veritbirds would dock with it and refuel as needed and keep swapping out as needed.

@eageraurora879

Жыл бұрын

I'd say utilize the open top space ontop of the balloon to make a helicopter runway. it could double as a landing point AND as reserve storage for additional aircraft. Not only that, but you'd get the benefit of being able to fit an elevator to bring vertibirds into the hull itlest for an internal hanger. Do what they did for the big aircraft in real life aircraft carriers and hang the vertibirds from the ceiling om a hook system. The vertibirds already clearly have one such system installed in them so just make a kind of crane system that can lift them up and hang them from.the "ceiling" of the balloon

It’s easy to fix the restroom problem. I would imagine they would use a system where they could vaccum pressurize the soldiers business into easy bags. Like shown in the Martian. These could be packed into carryable crates and be loaded onto the Verti bird. This could be done with a series of pipes. Maybe you should add that in another configuration.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

That's certainly possible. There still isn't really any place to go to do their business though. Maybe they all just agreed to pick a corner? The dry waste could also feasibly be repurposed into fertilizer for the botany lab I suppose. Still wish there was a dedicated place for doing the deed though. Pipes would also make sense. Do it like a cruise ship pre regulations and just pipe it straight overboard. That would be one heck of a way to ingratiate themselves to the locals lol.

@henryl2614

Жыл бұрын

@@spydingo "This is payback for the scratch marks, raiders! I had some mole rat stew!"

@MyHentaiGirl

Жыл бұрын

Bruh this is the post apocalypse Not some scifi stuff that you need to vacuum your crap Just dump it over board

@Doc_Rainbow

Жыл бұрын

Nah mate there just use there diapers from the power armor troops xD

@thequietstag4366

Жыл бұрын

I'd imagine that they just poop off the edge

Have you never played the age-old game called drop the stool on the ghoul? Cmon man.

One note I have: it is never directly stated that the Prydwen uses the reactor from Rivet City, it is only confirmed to come from an aircraft carrier, with the one at Rivet City being the closest one to the air base, and having a philosophy closer to the Outcasts after Maxon took over, it is a popular theory that it was taken from Rivet City. We likely won’t get confirmation unless a cannon game or expansion takes us to the Capital Wasteland

@MrMadre

13 күн бұрын

If it was from rivet city, it was most likely not *taken* but traded of paid for. This is because no brotherhood on the east coast is ever shown to raid or steal any technology. Especially the outcasts, as they pay scavengers to collect tech for them.

@thomasfrye6335

12 күн бұрын

@@MrMadreactually, the outcasts don’t usually trade/pay for goods, and evidence of how Macon’s brotherhood treats civilians is shown with every interaction in fallout 4. Rivet City’s generator was vital to their security and resources, they would never willingly give that up

@MrMadre

12 күн бұрын

@@thomasfrye6335 The outcasts directly give you supplies for tech in fallout 3 without knowing anything about you. Paladin Danse in fallout 4 also gives a powerful laser rifle to the Sole Survivor just for their assistance in a mission. Some of Maxson's BoS might act a bit rude towards wastelanders while on duty, but they're military personnel on missions they can't just stop and chat for 20 minutes. And it's not like Lyons BoS don't act the same way towards outsiders.

I mean she doesn't really need a lot of heavy armament, mostly because there's nothing for her to compete with. there's a chance part of the hull can be easily disassembled to move cargo. I don't know why you wouldn't just add cargo doors but that's a possibility. Also, who needs bathrooms when you can just chuck it out the closest window. I would say one of the weirdest things is the lack of an elevator, everyone just has to climb up then down that ladder to get anywhere. When it comes to no armament you could just have people on bottom deck firing down. They wouldn't protect you from missiles and the like. But how many people actually have missiles? I don't think that the prydwin is supposed to be taking the brunt of an attack anyway. It seems more like a large transport.

@higueraft571

Ай бұрын

>But how many people actually have missiles? At the very least, a decent few people in Fallout 3, considering you can find them lying around in places. Not too unsurprising if someone's made their own homemade missile launchers considering all the landmines, fat mans, and so on too... Could EASILY stock up and fire at the Prydwen. >I don't think that the prydwin is supposed to be taking the brunt of an attack anyway. It seems more like a large transport. That IS what an Aircraft Carrier's job is supposed to be, although you still dont want it to be ENTIRELY defenseless. That's for the situation that you've made a horrible mistake/got cornered/are now in range of bombing runs. >Also, who needs bathrooms when you can just chuck it out the closest window. More Sanitary by far, and convenient. You could say the same about an Aircraft Carrier, there's water everywhere just toss it in the ocean... >I would say one of the weirdest things is the lack of an elevator, everyone just has to climb up then down that ladder to get anywhere. Not really, Aircraft Carriers dont have Elevators either. Now a (very) few do have *Escalators,* but not Elevators. >mostly because there's nothing for her to compete with. This is how you get blown out of the sky and kill everyone onboard. The only time this is *ever* true is when you're so heavily outgunned/outranged you CANT fight to begin with, only die. Say, a WWII Battleship vs a Modern Destroyer for example.

@TexanIthorian

Ай бұрын

@@higueraft571 I was mostly joking about Chucking things out the window, It would make more sense to have bathrooms that connect to a waste collection bin that can later be dumped anywhere or moved by vertibird. From what we've seen The pridwin only really stops moving when they're putting down a base to protect it with, so ideally it's stupid but it's always protected, either by vertibirds or a fort. The pridwin would be at its most vulnerable while it's moving, Or when it's just setting up an outpost .But as it can fly, it should just fly high enough that most handmade missiles and rockets can't reach it. Or go low enough that it's not such an obvious Target. Realistically, It should have the ability to defend itself with at least minor AA, But it doesn't need big guns on the top. It could probably use artillery for sure. But not battleship guns. I'm not privy to the interior of an aircraft carrier, But I bet they have more ways to change floors than a singular ladder. Also you can use "quotation marks," when referencing what I say. Not really a diss but just makes it easier to read.

@absolutezerochill2700

Ай бұрын

If the Prydwen ever comes to California or Nevada. They would be REKT by Boomers.

I love your redesigns they look awesome I almost want to see you try to design something original for the fallout world like what if the brother hood repaired and sailed rivet city to Boston instead of the prydwen

It could have been cool to see a modiffied version of the Brodie Landing System used to launch and recover fixed-wing aircraft. Especially since the Prydwen seems to be far more stable than a sea going vessel.

little nit pick of my own, there's a locker in one of the quarters that sits in a lil recess in the floor making it physically impossible to actually open said locker. and an upper deck that could launch fixed wing craft could work, if you had a launch way, and recovery way parallel to each other, the recovery track featuring an arrester hook like on aircraft carriers.

If the assault ramp was maybe 10 feet wide and had access to the hull that could explain how they load and unload freight, no need for cranes, also there wouldn’t be any need to designate an entire vertibird to be a glorified elevator.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I really want the assault ramp to be connected to a storage bay. That would have required some significant modifications to the command spire so I didn't swing for the fences there. Very true about the vertibird being a glorified elevator!

@higueraft571

Ай бұрын

@@spydingo Do wonder... Have you tried designing your OWN unique Fallout-esque Airship(s) wholesale? Kinda curious what it'd look like.

Tbh, i prefer Smaller Caliber Twin Gauss Secoundary Cannons from the back than 2 Big Caliber Main Cannons. A Smaller Caliber is a support, but 2 Big Dakka is more like a Stylished Highfleet Airship

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Agreed! The massive cannons aren't particularly useful I fully admit, just look neat.

3:04 The B-29 was the super fortresses. The Peacemaker was the B-36.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Nuts! You right. Didn't realize I did that.

They just crap over the side.

@Blingle_bing323

Ай бұрын

Janitors at boston airport are underpaid

Idea: one reason for the eactor coolant to contain nuclear material might be that the reactor on the prydwen could be a kind of hybrid fusion-fission reactor. We know that even companies like mass fusion only produced large-scale fusion power late in the pre-war days, with the rest being fission systems. Also, fusion IRL produces a massive neutron flux, neutrons being useful for breeding fissile nuclear isotopes. So maybe the prydwens reactor uses these neutrons to boost the powrr output of the fusion by creating fission inside the coolant?

I think it’s a pretty good redesign, although I wouldn’t move the downward thrusters higher as the downwash of these would greatly effect vertibirds docking to the prydwen

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Fair point I didn't really think about that. I think if the middle thruster I added was removed and the rear thruster moved further towards the stern that issue could be mitigated.

Using the same gonzo-logic as the writers at Bethesda, the vertical engines were actually micro-fusion turbofans imported from Super Dimension Fortress: Macross. All electrical power was supplied from these miniature marvels of Overtechnology. Somewhere over the Wasteland, the BoS removed the nuclear reactor that they had just recently stolen from Rivet City to make more room for tanks to contain Maxon's bean farts, the mystery gas that is providing lift.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

You made me chuckle, well done!

@mprojekt72

Жыл бұрын

@@spydingo Your observations of the Prydwen's interior spaces made clear things about her that I didn't consciously notice while I was running around during my own play-thru's. I remember thinking, "This ship is strange, even for Fallout, and I can't exactly say why she is weirding me out." So, thank you for this video and the others that you have been creating!

Maybe the canvas is removable so they can bring cargo in. Or if it's part of the holding gas part they could make it into a sort of airlock to retain a semi-sealed hull while using vertabirds to carry stuff in.

The production value of your videos is awesome dude, you’re definitely gonna make it to the big leagues with quality content like this

I would consider the canvas to not be actual protection in the sense of armor but to be a sun blocker.

I like to believe the anchoring feature it at the top of the control tower is due to like since they’re pre-were aircraft maybe they had certain locations where they docked at because at the top of the tower it has hooks and locks so it would make sense for a US Air Force aircraft to dock at select airports

The enhanced prydwen looks very cool, i kinda wish we had gotten that now. Strange that they dont have toilets in there though, what do they do, like hold it in and go to the airport? Or do they just do their business over the handrails next to the vertibird docking stations?

With your redesign, I'd like to point out that the majority of contact (within typical BOS engagement) being surface to air, the Prydwen should ideally have more focus on air to surface armorments than AA. AA is important, but half of the redesign's AA budget should go towards ground pounding

Just a little thing I found interesting is that when one of the little boxes in the top left corner appears (can’t remember the mission sorry) the concept art version of the Prydwen is seen instead of the one we see.

They probably use the chamber pot method, dump it over the side. Seems easier than creating plumbing in your zeppelin

You don’t need toilets when you have those dirty synths to shit on

I'd replace the four giant gauss cannons with Liberty Prime's old Lazer. Given that they completely rebuilt him, and he uses a different colored Lazer, that means they probably have his old Lazer somewhere. I'd have it either as an underslung prow weapon, or would have it as a manned weapon on the rear part of the flight deck. I'd also add a removable machine gun mount to the unicorn horn for self defense purposes, that could also be used as a harpoon launcher for when the ship docks.

i recently found out that the Prydwen was supposed to be nearly twice as large as it originally turned out to be. it was even supposed to have a flight deck on the TOP of the structure taken from the old carrier in Washington, and interior hangars with Drop Pods for either evacuation purposes or to quickly drop in power armor troops to a warzone. it as also supposed to have several mounted cannons and Anti-Air defenses as well as Point Defense Turrets both inside and outside, but due to the engine not being capable of rendering this without severe issues at the time, and it being far too large for them to bother making that cool entrance to Boston, they scrapped the idea completely. due to lazyness, they didnt make it. Bethesda in a Nutshell these days.

Also the extra jets are good but they are already struggling with 4 as the reactor takes so much coolent that they even thought of landing the prydwen

Also they probably used the canvas as they wanted to hurry up the process of construction or that it suffered battle damage and they didn’t want to lander her for repairs and used the canvas as temp repair until a base like a airport which would be flat enough to land on to repair her

If it only took 4 years to build the Prydwen then why not just make more. Make airships, more vertibirds. Own the skys and dominate.

I would remove the gas tanks and use the power from the reactor (which cannot be found anywhere on the ship) to power a vertical propulsion system. Obviously, this'd free up a ton of room, particularly for bathrooms. Any additional space could be used to store vertibirds, or cargo, or whatever

Great video!! I feel the format was great too! I like you pros and cons lists! I was just gonna say that I feel the empty space on the airship could be because they've unpacked? It would make sense that while in transit, no rooms or hallways would be safe from all the luggage. once they finally arrive they get it all off the airship so they avoid having all their eggs in the one basket, aswell as give plenty of room to those who work on board as the docked prydwen becomes more of a living space for people until they move again. I mean look at all the shit they shoved in the airport storage, aswell as the baracades, power armour suits and guns their soldiers wouldn't all be carrying or wearing while moving around on the ship. I can't wait for more videos!!

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I appreciate the feedback on format, I'm always looking to improve. That's a good point. That does help to explain why the storage areas are not filled to the brim with freight, though it doesn't explain the lack of key areas of the ship like the engine room (a fact that is really odd now that I think about it as they could have been lazy and just slightly adapted the yangtze's engine room). Also as you say, Prime is a big boy and would have taken up a lot of hold capacity, so in that respect the lock of efficient use in the storage areas can be more easily forgiven. I look forward to seeing you in the comments again soon!

@awesomesource12

Жыл бұрын

@@spydingo yeah its weird you can't see the engine room, especially since they mention in the terminals they stole the reactor from rivet city in dc to power it. Also I loved your changes to the design, especially the cranes and cannons, I think it would be cool if they could afford huge cannons that have giant manual loading mechanisms you need power armour to use them. Also a change I wouldve added to the game would be some smaller, less armoured blimps and zeppelins that would've been extra shipping capability for the brotherhood. they also could've had the air defense capabilities instead of the main ship, even having them towed by the main prydwen. Give it a real Normandy sort feel.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

@@awesomesource12 That would be really cinematic, I really like that idea. Watching a fire team in T60 load and fire massive guns would be legit. Yeah, really make a fleet out of it that way. You have your aircraft carrier with the prydwen, could certainly have had some destroyer type escorts to go along with it, along with support vessels. That would be really interesting to see, although I do understand why the brotherhood didn't have such a fleet given the supply shortages and such. 100% agree on the Normandy feel though, I dig it as a concept.

During the course of a quest mod, I had to become enemies with the BoS (I'd beaten the game with the RR and the BoS remaining allies), and the hardest thing for me was having to kill Scribe Haylen, who had never been anything but helpful and supportive all through the base game. Luckily, I later found her still alive and well, and still giving me side missions, in a bunker belonging to a faction from a different quest mod! Nothing to do with the Prydwen - but it only happened yesterday, so I felt the urge to talk about it. ;-)

3:38

If that forward ramp was maybe moved somewhat and made bigger, then it could have made a good loading ramp for cargo.

One of the basic dialouge for the BOS on the prydwen is how one of the punishments for disobeying Kell's orders it to scrub the rust off the prydwen from the outside, but how? Using fuel for a vertibird to transport an initiate ontop of the prydwen is a waste of materials for an explanation of obedience, so youd think theyd have access ports ontop, especially for recovery of crew that mightve had to jump off and onto the top, and theres no way to actually get down from there besides sliding down onto the sword bridge at the front, which could also risk sliding to the side and falling off.

props make sense jets have hot exhaust gasses that require special materials for the rudder, if you wanna steer with jets you need thrust vectoring or expensive rudders

I always assumed that the Bathroom might be located in a hatch or something with the waste just falling straight down basically it's raining human waste.

I think putting a run way on the top would work with an elevator to bring aircraft inside for maintenance and repair the aircraft could also land using a system that modern aircraft carriers use where they have multiple metal wire that runs along the deck that a aircraft hooks onto while it is landing as to stop itself

Since you're talking about installing some battleship-styled turrets onto the Prydwen, I'd also love to see some stationary fat men installed on some or all the vertibirds. Heck, It'd be fun to make Prydwen's lower cargo bay that'd be capable of being used as a bomb bay for Mk. 28 bombs as well since they were originally designed as airborne bombs. maybe even to have at least one vertibird exclusively for transporting and dropping at least one such bomb, practically turning a gunship into a strategic bomber. Imagine a mission where you'd have to shoot it dowm before this thing flies above the castle to unleash its deadly payload.

They use buckets and throw it over the side.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

The squire's primary duty I bet!

@killzoneisa

Жыл бұрын

@@spydingo Hate to be on airport duty when squire's have to empty them.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

​@@killzoneisa Yeah, would be like being right back in medieval times. Actually fits the brotherhood's naming convention quite well.

Awesome video, the prydwen is probably my favorite fallout faction base and it's great to see a video on it! Though as someone from Akron, i'd be disowned by the rest of the city if i didnt mention that its pronounced Ak-wrin and not Ak-wron

Your videos are so good!!! You are what i call a hidden gem!

3:00 - needs mention a Soviet 1930-s project "Zveno" which was used during ww2 (~30 combat missions).

Knights in power armor with gatling lasers using VATS is the Prydwen defense.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

I could maybe buy that, if there was any laser fire during the artillery strike. Sadly there is not.

Many years ago a friend of mine said that, if he could redesign the Prydwen, the most important point on his list would be to move all Vertibird operatios to the top, with a lift (carrier style) to move them inside. Then create a new bridge at the front but above the imaginary "waterline" ...all this so she can land in water, and basically operate like a common helicopter carrier. (walkways, doors etc. also moved above waterline). Tho (he then argued) the Prydwen would need to be enlarged for that, but no idea how much. He also mentioned how actual military ships are designed to be interior-space efficient as possible...and that the Prydwen is, well..wasting a lot of that.

With your suggestion with those cannons I’d like to suggest a change with as those cannons would probably be too heavy… personally I’d go with a mark 28 for the cannons as they could have more of them and it would relieve the prydwen of a lot of weight

High video quality especially for someone who just started 5 months ago can tell this channel will blow up

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Thank you, I hope your right!

An Additional point to make about cargo doors! The rear located cargo bay could also be fitting to equip dumb munitions like Fat Man shells. Even further so, depending on her max operational altitude, allowing her to serve in the role of persistence bomber craft, as with the energy sheilds, guns with enough tooth to both detect and target her at higher altitudes would be sparse post war. This would also allow her to clear landing zones ala la Daisy Cutter bomb should her operational vicinity NOT have a pretty little strip of land like the Boston Airport.

@hanzzel6086

Ай бұрын

Considering the references some of the crew make to "scrapping the top of buildings on the way down here", I think it's safe to say it has a very low operational flight ceiling (and/or they where massively overweight, which these modifications wouldn't help with)

imagine your one of the crew and you have to go into the forest just to dung on a radioactive part

I would've added a cargo hanger to the aft of the ship and a winch to lift cargo, in lieu of 2 of the Vertibird hoists per side, leaving it 3/3 layout. Since they're not likely to see any air to air threats I would have ground facing defensive weapons (fat man turrets, lasers/plasma turrets, missile turrets), and orient the Enclave shielding towards the dorsal half of the ship. Her primary mission would be to deliver shock infantry and light infantry it would be impractical to have the Prydwen serve in a CAS role, or as fire support. The Veritbirds take up the CAS role, and mortar teams would be more mobile and better able to support the infantry. I would have nixed the landing ramp and added the top deck for more Vertibird storage/hangers.

i'm honestly shocked you don't have as many subscribers as some other Fallout channels. you fill such a fantastic niche in the Fallout community on here. i'm obsessed with your content!

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

I'm happy you feel that way! I'm sure as long as I keep up the quality content the subscribers will come. It's a process =)

I say that Preston wasn't too crazy about the mortars, not because of the Prydwen itself, but the fact that it would cause a lot of deaths for the minutemen if they just marched there given that they would have been detected quicky by those on the ground or in the air, and given the Brotherhood basically being the closest post Enclave thing to a military force, the minutemen would have been mowed down, it was only possible to get away with it in the institute given that it's an underground complex that spans a decent amount of space

There’s a bathroom it’s outside on the deck it’s called the common wealth

Prydwen be like: I NEED MORE WEAPONS, I NEED MORE TOILETS!

It needs more armor plating tbh considering how fragile it was made to be during its destruction.

@higueraft571

Ай бұрын

To be fair, if your Aircraft Carrier is under attack you've already made a horrible mistake :V

Prydwen v2 looks straight out of from the depths, looks like something the steel striders would build.

Fun fact: the USS Liberty was a real ship in the US Navy. It's an interesting story about how it was sank.

@_itsallahoax

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, compliments of our 'best friends' in the Middle East. Did it sink? I could have sworn it made it back to port? Been a few years and my memory doesn't improve with age.

@hanzzel6086

Ай бұрын

​​@@_itsallahoax If it's the frigate that got practically blown in half by a mine, it made it back. And if that's the case then the OP was probably referring to her namesake (whose date of service and fate elude me atm, probably because I'm running off 8hrs of sleep for the past two days combined).

@_itsallahoax

Ай бұрын

@@hanzzel6086 I'm sure there have been several that have shared the same name. I don't know what class, it was a spy ship not to put too fine a point on it. During the Six-Day War (6/8/67, had to look it up) the Israelis attacked it with planes and torpedo boats. It's believed they wanted to sink it and blame it on the Egyptians. I know there were survivors, and was almost certain it made it back to port. It was a torpedo that blew something like a 30 foot hole in it.

@higueraft571

Ай бұрын

@@_itsallahoax To be fair, this (unfortunately) IS an incredibly common incident in history... Like when a bunch of Paratroopers got gunned down by their own allies while in the transports, dropping from the sky, AND fully on the ground (because they didnt have the correct Passwords)

@_itsallahoax

Ай бұрын

@@higueraft571 Oh, yes, mistaken identity, troops whose ears are ringing not hearing a challenge, etc. Difference here is that some of the sailors and pilots waved at each other when the planes made their initial pass. If they were that close, it would be kind of hard to miss the American flag all Naval surface vessels fly. It looks nothing like the Egyptian flag.

Great video the back propellers are like that to increase maneuverability like haveing 2 on a ship it makes a sharper turn

Considering they're are some medieval knight/monk order it kinda makes sense. Like in castles you shit of the wall.

My theory is that the BoS wasn't completely confident in their engineering skill, and kind of overdesigned The Prydwen to compensate

I think the idea about bathrooms in the prydwen is that people just sorta... go over the rail if they need to... "Go" Scary, but that would save a TON on logistics. Poor soldiers stationed down below, though.

@itdobelikedattho8112

2 ай бұрын

What about female soldiers

@dabbingraccoons6416

Ай бұрын

We don’t discriminate here

@dabbingraccoons6416

Ай бұрын

@@itdobelikedattho8112we don’t discriminate here

I feel like the downdraft from the jet engines would impede launch and recovery if you move them higher

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Good point. I probably shouldn't have added the extra thruster in the middle. I also think by moving the rear thruster back towards the stern this issue could be mitigated some what.

I always found the prydwens lack of defenses to be nuts! With the number of raiders and supermutants bumbling around, shooting missiles at anything that moves, the prydwen is just a massive hydrogen and munitions filled target! It's shocking it made it to Boston in the first place tbh.

i really enjoyed this video your custom design of the ship is really cool and definitely should of been in game

For the two engine control levers thing, you did point out the mix of rocket and prop (rockets assisting with elevation and prop for horizontal movement) one could control the Y axis and the other controls your X (I play Guns of Icarus, that's how it is in game)

@higueraft571

Ай бұрын

In normal ships, they control the port/stern propulsion separately, making turns easier.

Reminds me of "Master of the World", the 1961 science fiction film starring Vincent Price. The airship was called the Albatross.

I like how fallout has VTOL aircraft but apparently airships are still desirable

@silverbloodborne9495

Жыл бұрын

Your in a post apocalyptic So if its big and has the firepower to show forces then they will use it

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Add to that the fact they have nuclear powered aircraft whose ranges should be quite significant in comparison to conventional craft. Makes the value proposition of an airship prewar quite questionable. Postwar it does have significantly more utility, due to it having less natural predators, such as adversarial airforces. It also provides a floating island for protecting a faction's noncombatants in addition to providing significant hauling capacity, well if there was actual ways to get freight into the prydwen.

On the grounds that I’ve personally sent the Prydwen to a fiery grave with the use of literal homemade artillery, I reckon the Brotherhood could probably use your help designing a successor, seems you’ve done an apt job. Although the naval guns were, as you put it, a leap too far.

the brotherhood just goes over the side when they need to use the bathroom

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

I guess the Prydwen is armed!

Nailed it! Idk where your video came from but it was interesting and your narration is charming. I’m all in. Like, sub, bell and all.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Awesome! Welcome aboard! I really appreciate it!

The thing I find funny is that to access the power armor area, you have to climb a fucking ladder In power armor That's gonna make deployment and recovery real fun

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

lol you right. There needs to be a wench mounted on the ceiling to pull em' back up.

Remember that the prydwen, the peak of modern technology post war, ONLY has prewar food available. There's but a single locally produced piece of prepared meals in the entire brotherhood. Bethesda is full of fantastic writers.

I don’t remember seeing where the vast number of Brotherhood soldiers would sleep

17:21 Airships typically had three people operating them. One steering, one controlling the elevators (to pitch up and down) and one controlling gas/ballast valves. So I assume one of those (probably the one on the left) is the elevator control, and the one on the right SHOULD be a panel with a bunch of valves, but Bethesda was too lazy. Then again everything I just said was based on dirigibles constructed during the mid 1900s. I assume the controls would be different when you have jet engines and reactors.

I think a small sail system on the front would be cool there is some of the concept art with a couple of rigging guys on the rails of the ship.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

Similar to that, it would be kinda neat to have a crow's nest too.

@7:00, pretty sure the nuclear material in the coolant is because it's been used already and "reactor safety" in Fallout's universe is the same joke as "worker's rights"

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

So in other words, nuclear material is used in the coolant because there is a lot of that to go around and it functions like filler component, rather than an integral one. That is if I'm picking up what you are putting down correctly. Really I should have mentioned I find the whole concept of the reactor coolant to be odd. I mean they stripped the fusion plant from Rivet city, meaning the reactor was likely designed to be cooled using sea water. Given that the Prydwen is moored a 100 yards or so form the ocean, why not just use that?

Well, the only thing you need is a hole or a place to hold onto the deck😅

YES! I've always downloaded mods specifically to add toilets there.

@spydingo

Жыл бұрын

That's another win for Modders! I'll have to check out their placement to see if I approve

The Hindenburg was supposed to be using helium, but due to an embargo of helium from America to Germany, the Hindenburg was forced to use hydrogen. And the prydwen does in fact use’s hydrogen and another thing this ship in real life would look like a armored blimp. And would be nightmare for maintenance on such huge blimp.

@higueraft571

Ай бұрын

>And the prydwen does in fact use’s hydrogen Source?

The only reason I can think of for no countermeasures is the weight trade off. Guns and ammo are heavy and in game they talked about scraping the tops of taller buildings, indicating they were operating the ship at close to or slightly over max weight. given they were planning to operate a ground campaign and had vertibirds for a combat air patrol they probably were forced to sacrifice defensive guns for increased cargo space.

@hanzzel6086

Ай бұрын

The difference between 40,000 and 40,001 tons that adding a handful of turreted guided missile launchers/gatling lasers dropping them 0.1" closer to the ground isn't going to be an issue. Especially if you aren't a complete moron and steer around the buildings instead of risking shearing off your lower deck!

@hauntedhouse7827

Ай бұрын

@@hanzzel6086 it actually makes a bigger difference than you might think, especially with ships that use lift gas. An extra ton of weight will drag the ship down a lot more than .1 of whatever measurement system to want to use. Plus the guns you want to add will weigh a lot more than a single ton. laser weapons need power and will require a bigger reactor plus more crew. and a standard 20 mm shell weighs 3 to 5 pounds and each Gatling gun fires on average 3,000 to 4,500 per minute. That 7.5 tons per minute of firing on the slow side, and you would need at least 4 guns to effectively protect the ship. so that an extra 30 tons per minute just for the ammunition, that's not including the weight of the gun, extra parts, or the radar detection systems to say nothing of the extra personnel required to man this equipment. Air ships aren't very maneuverable to begin with and trying to slalom through a wrecked city is courting disaster, especially if weighed down with the subsequent loss of maneuverability.