I really liked how you meticulously open up the watch and examine every single details. I have gained much knowledge not only how to identify fake and genuine watches but also be able to see and understand the art of making it works to what it truly becomes of the watch. Thank you.

Thanks only someone of your caliber could pull this off, this is the first detailed and best comparison anywhere on KZread hands down.

** Errata - 11:20 I voiced the genuine and fake thicknesses the wrong way round. The fake is 13.8mm thick and the Genuine is 13.3mm ** ** EDIT - Also forgot to mention, most of these fakes seem to have the same serial number being 630711 - including the one featured here. ** In this video I perform a very comprehensive comparison of a very convincing clone of a $500 Seiko Prospex PADI Pepsi divers watch.

@GeckoCkCkCk

4 жыл бұрын

Probably because the fake caseback wasn't as tight and it was ready to leak on your first dive. Imagine people complaining online that their SEIKO diver leaked.

@johnsrabe

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for this. Seems to me most of the attention is paid to fake Rolex’s, which is interesting, but only part of the story.

@slaphead2965

4 жыл бұрын

Is it just me, I think the fake dial looks slightly better than the genuine one? 😳

@markjosephpielago7858

4 жыл бұрын

Can you make a review about ciga z series

@jimg8887

3 жыл бұрын

Yep I also have a fake, Same serial as yours. I also noticed the font used on the caseback is wrong. The k in seiko is much different and also they didn't add the special edition marking to the back either.

can you do a water pressure test on the case, it would be interesting to see how well that works

@watchhans

4 жыл бұрын

Excellent idea! Will it withstand against 2 atm of pressure?

@MrMadvillan

4 жыл бұрын

consider the maliciousness of an uncertified depth rating 😱

@spavliskojr

4 жыл бұрын

probably as water resistant as a screen door on a submarine.

@DrQuiza

4 жыл бұрын

I would probably be very inconsistent from unit to unit.

Your videography has really improved over the last two years. Thanks for educating us!

Just goes to show that the original should be priced at around $200.00.

@oldiesfreek

4 жыл бұрын

Best comment!

@tydish

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah I don't think that watch is as much elsewhere. He bought it from Thailand. Seikos in Thailand are more expensive, probably due to the import tax.

@tomf4547

3 жыл бұрын

My thoughts too, the real one's price is inflated. Pay the 75 🤣

Watching this with autogenerated captions: How to spot a fake psycho vs a real psycho. ☺ That's good advice you just can't buy. Cheers Mark!

Love your channel! Your in-depth knowledge and attention to detail are spot on and make everything so much more interesting.

Quite an interesting video. Good stuff to know. Thank you for teaching these differences. I am sure a lot of people will get a lot out of this. Something else I noticed is that where the crown meets the watch on the genuine, it's flat, or dimples in but on the fake, it buttons outward towards the watch

This video scared the hell out of me and I have to grab mine and check it from top to bottom with a loupe in hand. The verdict, GENUINE. Thanks Mark for uploading.

Thank you so much for your in-depth evaluation of the watch. I personally owned one and had concern after seeing some disparaging information regarding the watch. Thanks to you I have absolutely qualified my example as authentic.

Fascinating! Brilliantly made video, I was waiting for you to do this. Thank you, I so enjoy your videos, love your channel.

Geday Mark, The movement is a genuine NH36. You can buy them for about 40USD from the Chinese shopping sites. There wouldn't be an economic reason to copy them. The "Tribal Tattoos" under the rotor are pretty common on all 7S derived movements. Not sure of the reason, perhaps it's part of the rivet for the bearing? The rest is garbage though. The hair would have been introduced by the guy fitting the "decoration disc". As far as I'm aware, All SEIKO movements except GS are made in one of several factories around Asia. There's no discernible difference between any of them, and when you think about it rationally, would the Japanese find it acceptable for each factory to just kinda do their own thing? The theories about some sort of secret sauce being in a movement from a certain country just aren't true. I don't think any of the 7S derived movements are manufactured on the Japanese homeland. That said, it's somewhat common for the SEIKO robots to be asleep at the wheel and do some truly terrible oiling, but it's not isolated to one factory. There's no such thing as a "monday, wednesday, friday movement", to use a British car industry analogy. The stock oiling on the 7S derived movements ranges from "Just OK" to "Absolutely awful". But this is why the movements are $40 and not many hundreds. If you rebuild a stock 7S derived movement, oil it with MOEBIUS oils, they usually perform between 10-30 degrees better amplitude wise and have a much straighter timegrapher line. Another point to note is since the 7S36C variant, the lower barrel arbor has been jewelled, which solves the major wear issue with these movements and the introduction of the ETA style regulator pin, a lot of the issues with these movements can be tuned out.

@redneck4528

3 жыл бұрын

In bulk these movements have to be $15-20 since there are Invicta models which sell for $50 that use this movement.

Watch Repair Channel Mark thank you for your videos and the calming effect bring and have brought to we the viewers in hectic times.

Love the effort that you put in this video comparison. Thank you.

NH36A are great movements and widely used on cheap watches from other brands, my invicta pro diver have the Sii and NH36A markings on the weight next to the Invicta Marking, the NH36A is manufactured by Seiko and it is farly cheap, only 34-37usd on ebay.

Amazing that they made all the work with marking the movement to look like the genuine one. Not too many open up the back case on a working automatic.

Good educational video Mark . I am going to share this one on a few more groups for you so people are more aware. Glad I spotted the fake yesterday in the FB group ! I’d have died if I got it wrong...

@stevenkelby2169

4 жыл бұрын

It was easy! The fake is the one with the properly aligned chapter ring...

@tillmerit8431

Жыл бұрын

Hello, can you please tell me if you've heard of fake Dracula Monsters?

Yes please, further strip down and comparison, would like that very much.

@cosmalas7742

4 жыл бұрын

But there is no real difference between a 4R... and NH36. So Seiko have done the "upgrade" in name so that fakes can be spotted. So would a strip down reveal anything?

Was a very eye opening video, as you said the average person would not have been able to spot a lot of the differences you pointed out. Thanks

Thanks ! It's a very interesting review about details out of the eye, and thank's for speak an english very very clearly for Spanish people!

The scariest part you mentioned is that if the fake was closer in value to the real you may have gone for it! Thanks for the review and alerting us on what to watch out for!

@OrbitalRescueSage

4 жыл бұрын

The real problem is that the fake is a better value for the money, and is just simply using the generic movement along with the old 60 click bezel and sticker.

@heiner71

4 жыл бұрын

@@OrbitalRescueSage Depends on what purpose you buy it for. I suspect that the fake one won't be waterproof.

@indramatic

4 жыл бұрын

@@heiner71 it takes 15 minutes of relubing seals and tightening caseback to make it properly waterproof.

@TommasoPaba

4 жыл бұрын

@@OrbitalRescueSage I have a fake SKX, I also have the original and bought the fake to do some modding and use it as a beater on holidays since the original is now out of production. The problem is that, if you like watches, you won't stop looking at the imperfections and noticing the lower quality details. Also, if you like a brand, then you know you're wearing a fake and it's not the same thing, regardless of the price (the SKX is not an expensive watch). If you don't care about the watch itself and just want to show off and buy a fake Rolex just as a status symbol, then it's a different story.

@dr.s.p.

Жыл бұрын

@@TommasoPaba - I couldn’t agree more with you. When you wear an expensive looking copy, you tend to be shy in case someone “knows”. You are then watching for reactions. In Asia many people “know” and it’s hard to get away with it, but back in the US or UK, people are not so aware and discerning unless you attend a watchmakers convention wearing one, or people know you’ve just got back from Asia and they might guess.

Thank you for the brilliant explanation. I thought some of the Turtle deals were too good to be true. I feel satisfied that I bought mine from a local Seiko Dealer 👍😎

This channel had become my reference for watches info. Thanks a lot!

Great lighting/backdrop/framing for your face shots in this video!

I truly enjoy your videos. Always informative, thank you!

Thanks for taking the time to make such a entertaining and informative video

You never miss a thing dude! You're meticulous and competent which is why I like your videos....I think we need to see if the fake will stand up to the die grinder test......

I really like this watch, though it's too big for my arm. Great video, I really enjoyed seeing these side by side

Well, the NH36 comes stock with the grey movement spacer which is actually 1mm thinner than the black Seiko diver’s movement spacer. It also comes with a 3 o’clock day wheel that needs to be replaced with one for the 4 o’clock crown position. I mod Seikos as well as build them from scratch with aftermarket case parts and have extensive experience with this movement as an upgrade to the 7S26. The NH36 is manufactured in either Malaysia or Japan according to the TMI technical guide for the movement.

@miguelferreras5967

4 ай бұрын

Por eso sigen Siendo medio original, emplea moviento Seiko..

Yes Mark, They are very identical. I do own them both. A fake from Thailand for 110 Euro and an Original from Holland's shop in a promotion for 400 Euro. Yes, the original is far well finished and better in many things in outside! But like time keeping! The original Seiko and the fake did and do perform totally equal and outstanding!!! The Fake did run (After my intervention) in 2 to 3 sec + in a day! So, every Sunday I noticed some 10 to 15 sec + ! Than in the night on Saturday and Sunday I take the Watch of my hand for the night and put it on the shelf next to my bed with the glass downside (which was the position for my Watch to loose time)!!! So, in the Mondays I see my Fake watch again in minus 15 seconds. I never did unscrew the crown to correct the time for SEVEN months. I did use the crown every second month to change the calendar to jump from 31 to 1, because not every month has 31 days... After the Seventh month my wife did buy me an Original one and the "old one" i did give to her Father. p.s. do not laugh, at that time I thought it was an original Seiko, b.w. her Papa is happy with that Seiko! me to with his daughter!!! ;) peace .v..

thanks for this!! immediately got my 2 seiko5's out to check the movements

Amazing demonstration, thanks. I am afraid to check my watch now... And my suspicions have been confirmed: I got burned with a fake, not too great either.

Thanks so much for this comparison. The replica/fakes are getting better and better as they are now branding the movements with fairly convincing accuracy to the untrained eye. I used to be a bargain hunter but now I only purchase direct or from an authorized seller. Bottom line is how YOU personally feel when you wear your watch. Do you want to wonder if it's real or have that piece of mind that it's 100% genuine?

People in china: "write it down , we need to perfect our design so they won't notice!!!"

NH36 is assembled in malaysian warehouse. 4R36 is in house. same components but cleaner and better lubrication for 4R36.

@JayB-lz6yd

4 жыл бұрын

as well as better time calibration.

@jeff1176

4 жыл бұрын

I was going to say, aren't they both seiko movements? The nh36 is the older work horse(cheaper) movement? I'm new to all this so don't judge me too harshly.

@markcoveryourassets

4 жыл бұрын

Jeffrey Tally , I think the NH versions are the same series but just meant for resale to other manufacturers to put into their watches. I did not know about the different locations of production mentioned by Jay.

@zepp3lin

4 жыл бұрын

NH36 and 4r36 are the same accept for the labeling on the counter weight. Both runs the same if you calibrate it. NH36 is for the open market sellers or manufacturer who wants to use Seiko movement.

@JayB-lz6yd

4 жыл бұрын

@@jeff1176 do you even read?

Excellent and very interesting video; would’ve loved to have seen the two movements be put through a timegrapher though!

There are a lot of genuine replacing / spare parts out there, even the cases can be bought, a new bezel insert is also no problem and I am not mentioning all the mods and the parts for them... Only the purchase of a specific dial sometimes can be a bit tricky. It was only the questions of time when Seiko will have to deal with not only mod but fakes also. As a Seikopath you also has to be aware of so called "Franken-Watches" older models with newer genuine part... There is so much to tell about...

Thsnk you for this video. This is very timely as I see these cheap authentic everywhere.

I have a lot of customers buying them from wish and even Amazon, some of them don't hack, even though the moment is a nh36. Another issue I noticed is the waterproofing is a dead give away, one customer brought one in, after he washes his hands it was soaked, I cleaned it out and gave it back to him and it seems like the water was coming in through the crown

I'm amazed you bought a real Seiko with an aligned bezel.

@MrMadvillan

4 жыл бұрын

you mean chapter ring. the whole point of the bezel is that you can align it any way you want.

@AhmadRaza-qo6vc

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrMadvillan most dont have it. Seiko has serious Qc issues. They make shit watches for the price

It's remarkable that the Seiko brand is being imitated and that it has a "real" Seiko movement.

@romybuenaventura3133

4 жыл бұрын

in that case it is not a fake seiko, just a different module

@adamb3129

3 жыл бұрын

@@romybuenaventura3133 not made by Seiko though

Thank you,enjoyed watching.

outstanding compariison ,very clear and concise

Interesting video. It would be good to see a strip down. I replaced the 7S36 in my SNZH55K with an NH36, it's a good movement, at the moment gaining about 2 seconds a day. The day wheel in mine is blue on Saturday and red on Sunday otherwise black on white.

It surprised me that the genuine Seiko has 1.1ms beat error. I should have expected a more "adjusted" watch. Thanks for the review!

Excellent comparison. Thank you.

Very interesting video and learned a lot again, I expected to see the circular saw at the end that would split this fake Seiko in 2 pieces.

Nice video! The stick-on 4R36A was hilarious 😆 I might have missed it but, did you check the case finishes?

Really loved this video, great work!

Wow, a Feiko! Great review - thanks!

@crispy-k

4 жыл бұрын

Feiko xD 10/10

Thank you, Mark, for this detailed comparison.

Thanks for the breakdown, great content.

I immediately knew the fake one by its properly aligned chapter ring.

9:10 I must say that the sunburst effect on the fake dial looks better than the original...

This is the very first Watch Repair Channel video that I have laid eyes on. I enjoyed the presentation and production values. I subscribed immediately after the video, which is an odd thing for me to do, as I am a crabby old S.O.B. that likes naught, and dislikes being "bothered". Thanks for the dose of watch education, and I look forward to seeing more of your videos. Good day.

Got mine through UK distributor, all the shops had sold out & all said there was a waiting list. Got the distributors number phoned them & it was here next day. The thing that really impressed me was the lume. I think if you like watches you should own at least one Seiko.

lol i'm finding it hard to be sure which is the real rip-off

Thank you for another excellent review! Subscribed!

Well most microbrands use the NH36 too..some costing more than a 1000usd

@MrMadvillan

4 жыл бұрын

i’m not sure about that. Even a bronz or titanium zelos with a 1000m rating still charge under $1k with a nh35 inside. some very basic micros will attempt a 600$ nh35 watch but i think that’s the limit the market will pay - at that point you might as well get a seiko. Which micros do you know charging +1k?

@dude28405

3 жыл бұрын

But they're not trying to be a Seiko PADI turtle they're their own watch

Thanks for all the nice videos. You should do one on a service on a speedmaster. Albeit being quite a common watch, there doesn't seem to be any video about servicing it on the web...

I have found a similar type of rotor decal in a genuine chinese Lige watch , I found out because the decal has come out of the rotor , and being a transparent back it was obvious , so I got a 50%discount , removed the back and glued back the decal, adjusted it in the time grapher , and now I have a watch that running in the automatic winder , is within 2 seconds a day that cost me after having 50% discount $17US...love your channel

Love to see a comparative teardown

Although there are obvious signs of lower quality those could be addressed 4 less than the difference between the two watches. So the question is if it looks like a Seiko, runs like a Seiko and although most critical bits or actually made by seiko.... unless you are a diver which one is actually the best value?

@wirdy1

4 жыл бұрын

Well put.

@oscarbaezsoria1650

4 жыл бұрын

The REAL Seiko.

I saw a little hack the other day for metal calipers. Use some cello tape on the ends to help prevent scratching 🤙🏼

I had a Seiko watch about forty years ago, nothing fancy just a relatively heavy stainless sports watch that was popular at the time. A couple of years ago I was looking for a classic AMW 320R Casio divers watch (the ‘Arnie’ Schwarzenegger), didn’t realise it had been discontinued and instead I bought a Seiko 200m scuba divers watch, this wasn’t a cheap watch, I sourced it internationally from EBay in the US, I’d only owned the watch a few months when I realised I was adjusting the time on a regular basis, eventually I mailed the watch to Seiko UK for repairs, they charged me £90 and returned the watch with a faulty winder and it was still losing time on a regular basis, I returned it a second time with a cover letter and a copy of my ‘repair’ invoice, they tried charging me £90 for the second time and after a long exchange of emails it was returned, the winder had been repaired but it still loses time. In the interim I’d bought a second ‘cheap’ Seiko for around £110, it lasted about a year and just stopped, I mailed it to Seiko and surprise it’s a £90 repair, returned to me just before Covid 19 started and it hadn’t been repaired at all, six months later it was returned to me in working condition except the day display was stuck on and displaying Thursday, Lots of emails back and forth with Seiko UK asking for a further £90 to repair the watch for a second time, eventually they have returned the watch to me but the experience with Seiko uk has soured my relationship with this manufacturer and I’d opt for Casio or similar next time around.

I have that exact watch on my arm!!! I love the seikos. I found mine for $425. Luckily the seiko outlet had some.

I’ve watched a lot of fake / real comparisons but nothing like a genuine watchmaker pro doing it. !! Love to see some Oris watches taken apart, just got a genuine Aquis. !! A real beauty

Cara muito obrigado pelas dicas!

Amazing! My Feiko has exactly the same serial number as yours and yes, the misaligned day complication is REALLY annoying....

@ΠαῦλοςΠαυλίδης-χ7θ

3 жыл бұрын

Then buy a real one

I'd be inclined to believe it's a genuine NH36 looking at the detailed close ups. Having seen some cheaply made clones of Seiko movements they seem to be noticeably worse in finish. Edges of bridges etc. Which makes sense considering how cheap the NH movements are anyway. Someone mentioned micro brands and cost, bear in mind that while many micro brands watches do use the NH they're typically (at least), checked and regulated for accuracy and (hopefully) assembled in cleaner environments than most fakes which are being pumped out lightning fast.

Awesome video, thanks for in deep details.

i personally handled a fake SRP797 and the weight difference from the genuine was big. also, the cut-out on the bracelet was crudely machined and was sharp enough to cut.

Great video, thanks for posting. I was diddled with a fake turtle on ebay a few years ago, I managed to get my money back though so got lucky, it was pretty good but I didn't like the case back engraving lume dot and bezel click as you have pointed out. Thanks again

Thank you, Mark, for this detailed comparison. Clearly, there's no honor in supporting the fake product industry but videos like these are critical for alerting consumers to the sophisticated tactics of counterfeit peddlers. Buying a fake for the sake of exposing its fake-ness is worthwhile education. I fully agree with your final assessment that it's the consumer's responsibility to recognize deceptive marketing, suspect the deals that are "too good to be true" and understand that you probably aren't the lucky one who found an honest seller willing to unload a brand new $500 Prospex for $75. If one believes that a genuine Prospex can be sold new for $75, then one must also believe that the labor and materials to build it could not have exceeded about $30 --a ridiculous conclusion that forms the "suspension of reality" that counterfeit peddlers count on to grow their business. Wonderful work, as always!

@murph8411

4 жыл бұрын

Using robotic assembly? Considering you can buy a NH36 for under $40 therefore with everyone in that chain making profit they probably cost Seiko a few dollars to make. Each robot installing one piece per second according to Seiko so a watch might only be taking minutes. Maybe if Seiko actually used some of their lower midrange movements in watches under $1000 or so, better materials and tightened up QC so misaligned parts were far less common the copies or homages would have a harder time selling?

Hello Mark, thank you! Interesting and nice as usual, but the 2nd oart of the 6139B?

Great review. You have convinced me to get a fake. All that watch for 75 USD is amazing.

Excellent review. I no longer buy watches off Amazon or Ebay because virtually everything that ticks is now being counterfeited. I will only buy from ADs whose online stores are an extension to their brick and mortar operations. One such is Island Watch (NYC) and another is H S Johnson in the UK. There are others, of course, but those have been reliable watch sellers for me.

Great video! Very informative and entertaining.

thanks for your videos they help me so much as a starter watckmaker

Thank you so much for making this video!

i don't know why but the fake one seems like a better deal the more you analyse it.

Thanks Mark for a real eye opener. I for one would like to see a full strip down just to see if the movement is indeed real. Where did you purchase your SRPA21K from. I actually like it so much I would like to get same. Cheers: khawp khun maak khrap

As an amateur watch enthusiast, that fake would probably have fooled me. Great video.

Beautiful presentation, thank you for sharing your knowledge, I am in the market for one of these watches. Regards from Australia.

I have four watches by Steeldive which for the most part make homage dive watches of early designs mostly Seiko,all utilise the NH35 movement.All of them have a beat error of about 1.1 to 1.3,it would be interesting to see you strip that fake and see how much that rather large beat error can be corrected.I am happy with the steeldive version of the old Seiko 6105 turtle which is of a very good standard,especially when you see what the originals are selling for..............................

I Will soon get mine, thanks a Lot for Your hints. Kind regards from México.

Grats on the new watch bro!

Superb comparison thanks for uploading have a good day

Wow.... thanks for the info... the fake one looks pretty convincing also...

The genuine actually had limited edition etched onto the case back as well

This is a SUPER FANTASTIC REVIEW! The fake seiko is actually amazing with that price point, if a Seiko Modder get that fake, they could easily replace the dial, change the mineral glass to sapphire, mod the bezel insert to ceramic, caseback with aftermarket parts / mods and they only need to say, "This is a modded seiko," All is well. Yes they will spend around 200 USD more, but still much cheaper than the original seiko in that model This explains why so many micro brands are making homage watch, especially focusing on Seiko Turtle, SKX, Tuna, Marinemaster lookalike, but with their own brand + Seiko NH35/NH36 (Which is made outside Japan) + SAPPHIRE CRYSTAL + CERAMIC Bezel + They have amazing finishing touch, no misalignment or any funny QC issues. And the selling price is a half, or even a quarter compared to the original seiko which those homage watches are referring to. For Example: Heimdallr, San Martin, Steeldive, and many more!

NH36 is basically an OEM version of the 4R36, a good replacement movement if your original died for some reason :)

I would definitely like to see you strip that movement down. Great video as always!

@johncoops6897

4 жыл бұрын

FFS. It's a genuine Seiko movement so there is ABSOLUTELY no point comparing it to a genuine Seiko movement. The big question is... are you smart enough to work out why?

I noticed on the genuine the hour markings have a thicker metallic band around them and the fake is very thin.

Thank you so much... for your information.. I found it very useful.

Thank you for sharing this videos I can see the different of Watch.

Nicely done. Very informative.

A pressure test comparison should have been very interesting to see too.

Yes, the 4R36 and the NH36 are the exact same movement just with different branding made by Seiko. The NH36 is just an OEM version of the movement ;)

@johncoops6897

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, so you watched the video too, did you? And what's the point of your totally redundant comment?

@sebastianshaw210

Жыл бұрын

@@johncoops6897 why are you so worked up about his comment ? Did the last 2 years calm you down ? Or are you still upset about random things in your life ?