RIP Giacomini 😔

A lot of modern singers are microphone trained. The older generation were trained to fill a theatre. Its not just volume that's the issue, there is an intensity of tone that this kind od practice brings to someone's voice.

@crazyorganist1609

2 жыл бұрын

Sutherland and Nilsson being prine examples

@justinodiaz6501

2 жыл бұрын

You’re absolutely correct.what a pity….sometimes it’s painful….j.

@jesustenorioy

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, the news one have desfigured the song or Bell Canto. It seems that thery have learned to much technics tha they don't know to apply. They dont have technique, technique has them by the neck. It´s horrible. Don't defend or justify them. They charge a lot for a bad job. Especially that Kaufmann. Total fake with or without microphoe.

@susanlandsman9572

Жыл бұрын

@@jesustenorioy Besides the fact that he doesn't sound like a tenor, but a baritone with some high notes. Kaufmann sounds strained (each year as he gets older) when he tries to hit those notes.

@jesustenorioy

Жыл бұрын

@@susanlandsman9572 My friend I guess he is not even a good baritone, bud you right, he don´t hit high notes. Just sell figure or image, not good sound or bell canto. Thanks for comment. Like.

I'm not really a fan of these comparisons, but it started with Kaufmann and I thought "okay", then went on to Giacomini and I thought "this is clearly amazing" and when it went back to Kaufmann I was like "oh. well, this is not it".

@OPalestrantedaPAZ

Жыл бұрын

The exact same hapened to me

@nevim007

Жыл бұрын

These comparisons make very little sense; just two random recordings don't prove that the one is a bad singer and the other was great singer. In my opinion, both are/were great tenors, each has/had a different voice and different strengths. I think Kaufmann is a wrong target anyway; he has delivered many great performances, including this aria. I am quite sure that some 20, 30 years later his recordings (better than this one though, I think he had a bad night on this one) will be used as a benchmark. There are others nowadays who sing just average but are sold to the public as "stars" just because they have a great marketing (or networking skills - or both).

@geminikid1617

8 ай бұрын

@@nevim007but Kaufman always sounds like this. This has nothing to do w/a bad night. He’s been sounding like this for decades. His technique when he was young was great, but he changed it in exchange for what you hear now. There’s just no excusing this. Giacomini’s simply a much stronger tenor. That’s the comparison being made between these 2 and it’s fairly obvious, no matter what reasoning or explanation you give.

@Hnk448

3 ай бұрын

Was kaufmann und giacomini unterscheidet ist,das kaufmann den idealen Sänger verkörpert der auch hervorragend die Rolle Schauspielerisch interpretiert. (Da muss man rein stimmtechnisch gewisse Kompromisse eingehen) im Gegensatz dazu konnte sich giacomini in erster Linie auf seine Stimme konzentrieren, da Schauspielerisch nicht mehr konnte respektive wollte.( er kam aus einer anderen zeit). Ich finde beide Sänger auf ihre Art großartig und bewundernswert

At this point there is no operatic quality in Kaufmann’s voice, it’s basically tension enhanced by a microphone. Giacomini does a great job

@ClergetMusic

2 жыл бұрын

Kaufman is a lyric faking dramatic.

@andrzejzborowski4920

2 жыл бұрын

@@ClergetMusic Exactly. He makes his voice color dark, but he has no dramatic squillo at all.

@leonardoiglesias2394

2 жыл бұрын

There is not quality at all in any genre. Do you want to hear him singing tangos, american standards, flamenco, pop, rock like Presley? No.

@mtrmann

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardoiglesias2394 - And even on his latest recording where he can take all the time in the world to be in the best voice possible singing into a microphone, he sounds bad. What puzzles me is how he gets so many glowing comments of praise from adoring fans. Don't they have ears?

@e-bikeskibum7141

Жыл бұрын

@@andrzejzborowski4920 I agree. I don't see what all the hype is about Kaufman. He has no squillo and his voice just sound ugly to me.

Kaufman is trying to be Giacomini. The missing ingredient is squillo. Giacomini's voice was twice the size of Kaufmans. I think Kauffman actually wants to be Romon Vinay. Kauffman isn't bad, but he lack the brilliance tenors MUST have.

@crazyorganist1609

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I've always felt this

@cliffgaither

2 жыл бұрын

Jef Olson :: Maybe he would like to be Corelli ? But with his envy of Corelli ... no one dares mention Corelli's name around Kaufmann.

@jefolson6989

2 жыл бұрын

@@cliffgaither is that true? Does Kauffman fly into a rage at the mention of a tenor from years ago who is different in every possible way from himself? That's some serious insecurity from a guy who is, like him or not, the tenor du jour on the scene today. He seems pleasant in interviews, and quite likeable. BUT, to paraphrase Rudolf Bing to a famous soprano " I'm sorry. I'm afraid I just don't like your voice very much".

@cliffgaither

2 жыл бұрын

@@jefolson6989 ● Granted ... I may have taken liberties. I do know that Kaufmann made a negative comment about Corelli's _Di quella pira._ When the time game for Kaufmann to perform that aria / scene ... he was totally out of his depth, compared to Corelli. It's possible that Kaufmann has no interest in past singers, maybe even Corelli ... but there's one thing for sure :: Kaufmann has listened to Corelli's recordings -- in private ! Kaufmann can be as nice as he needs to be in interviews ... he has an image that the marketing department has created for him. I don't really care what Kaufmann says / sings / feels about past singers ... has no interest in singers of yesterday as if those singers are now irrelevant ... If that's how he feels ... he's bullshitting himself ! Franco Corelli was the greatest tenor during the modern age of recording ... maybe the Rubini's of the 18th century were more spectacular ... obviously, we ain't gonna ever know. What we do know :: Corelli was beyond gifted ... voice / height / good looks / vocal power / an upper-voice w / masculine impact. Kaufmann will never be in Corelli's class of Operatic History. Kaufmann's performances have been criticized for his lack of being heard in big houses. People who know better than I ... that his voice has been pushed into the higher-fees of dramatic roles ... the sound of his tenor is a thick as mud. If he cannot match, let alone, surpass Corelli's magnificent voice ... better he remain silent before speaking of a tenor who will never be forgotten ! Bing was entitled to his opinion. I am also pretty-sure he knew of that soprano's back-stabbing of Phyllis Curtin. That soprano also appeared to be nice in interviews & bubbly, too.

@jefolson6989

2 жыл бұрын

@@cliffgaither I am aiming the Bing comment at Kauffman. He can be heard. That's not the problem. But it isn't a bright sound. It's not Italian . And it's not a heldentenor. But that's how it is. On his Desert Island Disc episode he chooses his favorite singers from the past. Most revealing.

Kauffman be like: look, i can deepthroat so i can opera singing, too.

Confronto imbarazzante ed improponibile

The worst thing to me about Kaufmann is that he's lacking release - his voice sounds constricted. If he opened it up and stopped forcing it to be dark, it might actually carry over the orchestra on the (not very) low notes of Nessun Dorma. A dramatic tenor does not need a dark voice - the original Verdi Otello, Francesco Tamagno, had a massive voice with lots of brightness and ring; the recordings aren't the best, but the massive difference in ease and release are clear. A tenor singing dramatically needs freedom in the voice above all else, and I don't hear it in Kaufmann, pretty as the instrument and face naturally may be.

@draganvidic2039

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@mtrmann

Жыл бұрын

He actually sounds like he's being strangled.

@peterchristopher3527

Жыл бұрын

Tenors were supposed to portray young lovers ,with bright voices , today's tenors sound like baritones ,duh!

@anthonyehrenzweig1635

Жыл бұрын

I agree - he is musical & popular with the women but his voice lacks the metallic ring of the real tenors. And this recording sounds strangled.

@Avelcain.Tekken

Жыл бұрын

Listen to his voice singing Manon in the 90's it was so beautiful and clear , but then he changed his technique to make this current sound

Kaufmann è super commercializzato...Giacomini invece è un vero artista...

@cliffgaither

2 жыл бұрын

Romea Romeo :: That's an excellent description ( super-commercialized ).

In Romanian there's an old saying: "Stones are thrown in the fruit tree only". RIP Giacomini!

That video of Kaufmann should not have seen the light of day. What was his publicist thinking!

@sw5114

2 жыл бұрын

My exact thought. Should have been immediately trashed. And please stop singing Calaf. That is better in Corelli territory, not even. Pavarotti..

@grantyoungblood7895

Жыл бұрын

Im fairly certain his publicist was thinking: “This recital video is going to make us both a shit-ton of money!”

I think you proved your point. Perfectly.

Giacomini is great. Kaufmann is a joke of a tenor. The epitome of voce ingolata. He wants to sing Othello, blasphemy! It is a shame, because he has talent.

@esterbruno8604

3 жыл бұрын

Kaufmann is actually a light tenor, he has artificially darkened his voice, and in fact he sounds really throaty.

@TheYu87

3 жыл бұрын

@@esterbruno8604 He could be a light tenor if he had the technique!

@cliffgaither

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheYu87 :: He did have the technique for lyric tenor. I have heard him sing when he was younger. His voice was lyrical. He darken his voice for more dramatic roles. There's no way he can return to being a lyric ... not after the transition he put his voice through.

You have selected probably Kaufman's worst recording ever on a very off-day. He's visibly struggling which is not at all representative. Probably because he's in an incredibly echo-y room, and using a microphone, which has led him to make some dubious stylistic decisions. Not remotely a fair basis for comparison 🤷‍♂

The problem I have with comparisons like this is that I feel the clips chosen are biased. I'm definitely a big Giacomini fan, but jeepers anything would beat that recording of Kaufmann where he's clearly not in good voice(even if you think his voice is bad ALL the time, it's obviously not a good day for him in that recording). Would be better to use the clip from the Proms or something. In any case, GG is a beast and I love his Si pel ciel too

@tomaskildisius

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. 🤦‍♂️

@wewper

3 жыл бұрын

True, but then again how do you find a clip of Giacomini singing poorly? 😜

@eliascastillorivera7130

3 жыл бұрын

@@wewper in his Vicino a te it's clear how his voice is not as ringing as it could actually be. Is much much better than Kauffman, but not perfect.

@leonardoiglesias2394

2 жыл бұрын

If he cant sing….he should go home and cook dinner instead. He has got enough money already. And this is the case. He cant sing. Like Villazon. It is over. Star fakes. Stars sing many years, not 5-6 years only.

@leonardoiglesias2394

2 жыл бұрын

@@eliascastillorivera7130 No es el lugar para criticar a Giacomini. Se trata de destrozar a Kaufmann. No te has enterado? Y a Kaufmann lo destroza un cantante que cante el 30% de Giacomini. O sea que Giacomini no es el tema aqui. El tema es como se puede seguir vendiendo a alguien como Kaufmann como si fuera una gran estrella del canto y de la musica cuando solo es un mal chiste, una caricatura.

both sound very baritonal but giacomini has a superb squillo and timbre. kaufmann sounds dull and somewhat opaque

@marksmith3947

Жыл бұрын

I wouldn't pay money to see or hear Kauffman in anything. Dreadful. I never heard of Giancomini before. Calling him second rate is not fair. To me that implies some deficiency. I don't hear any.

Pues, bueno, en resumen se le acabó el tiempo a Kaufmann y no aprendió a cantar. Ya ni le sirve su físico. A esperar las nuevas generaciones y ojalá tengamos tenores de verdad que al menos sepan mantener una línea de canto. Gracias por tu vídeo. Has evidenciado lo que a lo largo de estos décadas hemos visto en los teatros y en esta plataforma…la ausencia de verdaderos tenores. Gracias.

Non c'è niente da dire... C'è solo un tenore Giacomini...

@leonardoiglesias2394

2 жыл бұрын

Jussi Björling e SEMPRE 40 vece migliore. 90 vece. Incomparabile.

@radames5855

2 жыл бұрын

@@leonardoiglesias2394 ok... Prima di tutto Bjorljng qui non c'è Seconda cosa è un lirico Giacomini è un drammatico Sono due grandi interpreti del loro tempo ,e non hanno a che vedere l'uno dall'altro Voci completamente diverse Quindi il suo commento per me ,non ha alcun significato Li ammiro entrambi,ma per motivi diversi ...buon anno

Does anyone know when that Giacomini performance of Calaf was recorded?

4:15 ????????? Y la voz?

Kaufman is a light tenor, the Tamino type. In his younger days, that’s what he was, a light tenor with a beautiful voice. There may still be some videos of him from those days on KZread. Then impresarios noticed his good looks and the big money potential if they could cast him in dramatic, sexy roles. He artificially darkened his voice and turned it into this unbearable sounding instrument. Sadly, the exact same thing happened to Anna Netrebko. Their good looks worked against them.

@christopherrobinwattsthoma6318

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly I was lucky enough to have been present at a performance of Così with a very young Kauffman and he was fabulous in the part!

@EliominDZ

Жыл бұрын

me gustaría escuharlo cantar a usted para ver si canta mejor que Kaufmann

@johnsarkissian5519

Жыл бұрын

@@EliominDZ I am not a singer. If you are comparing my singing to his, that is a false comparison. You need to compare him with great singers, then you will notice that he is not that great!

@asclepius3117

Жыл бұрын

That is it! Yet the public is influenced by the publicity and treats him as the next coming of Pavarotti.

@chagkruzart7695

Жыл бұрын

Kaufmann is closer to baritone. His "ein schwart.." from Walkure quite as well

3:56 Don't swallow your tongue, dear. Kaufmann's pianos and pianissimos have always been hoarse, so even when he does his messa di voce trick it doesn't sound impressive. But now that hoarseness is all over his voice, at any dynamic, at any pitch.

JUSSI BJORLING 1940 slow version .

@MrSoerenbager

3 жыл бұрын

1944 :-)

Amazing♥😰

Y el Gran Corelli

Gee, I am surprised how many experts on tenors are in this world. I am sure all this complainers could do better. Lets hear it, you experts.

@mickey1849

3 ай бұрын

We are discussing a certain style of singing which is basically singing with a depressed larynx, which results in a hooty or woofy kind of sound in the singing, absence of squillo, and washed-out volume. Though there is a segment of opera listeners who actually like to listen to this style and think it sounds very good. By the way, I know my voice is good because other people tell me so, not because I arrived at that conclusion independently.

@giselamarch1994

3 ай бұрын

@@mickey1849 My reply was not directed towards you. It was to point out all those complainers who always try to find something wrong, whether it is language, deportment, or believe or not, someone complained about bad teeth. It is exasperating. Are you a singer. I would be interested.

@mickey1849

3 ай бұрын

I know there are certain excellent people out there--such as FMT, Barone Vitello Scarpia, et. al.--who would characterize voce en gola (singing from the throat) strictly as "woofing," or an incorrect form of singing. Of course they are correct. But for purposes of exploring this phenomenon more deeply I do not believe it is inaccurate to also characterize this as a certain "style" of singing too. After all, Giuseppe Giacomini made a 30 year career out of it; and Jonas Kaufmann doesn't seem to be far behind him, though his voice may cave-in before his age catches him. Truth is, there are a certain segment of opera listeners who enjoy listening to this type of fake heroic singing, no matter what the rest of us might think. There has been a fan base of sorts for these singers to tap into and live off of. So I think it is not inaccurate to refer to this as a certain "style" of singing. 😐

Даже медленный темп не спас Кауфмана. Сиплый тенор...

Giacomini distrugge Kaufy completamente!

Kaufman reminds me of the mezzo Garança.. same kind of singing. I don’t understand what people like about them.

@draganvidic2039

2 жыл бұрын

People don’t know how good singing sounds anymore

Giacomini desayunaba Kaufmanns por las mañanas...

No core in the modern singer, because the chest voice is not developed properly.

@user-ry9zf5fp4v

Жыл бұрын

Точно..для тенора это очень важно-грудь..иначе он не выйдет на предельные верха

Heavens. How awful is Kaufmann? I've heard better amateurs.

To be fair, Kaufman is accompanied by only piano, Giacomini has an orchestra to play with. Giacomini wins this battle, but what is HE like with solo piano?

Confronto impietoso..certo ci si accontenta poco al giorno d oggi

Hablamos de otro nivel de Tenor en todo!! Giacomini es 100 veces un Kaufman!!

Kaufmann Karaoke night! Live from Harry's lounge bar near Kennedy Airport.

From when is the Kaufmann recording?

JK isn't any sort of singer, just a noisemaker.

Inmenso, Giacomini.

Even in that room he needs a mic so small is his voice he cannot hold a candle to giacomini

@eszterga100

2 жыл бұрын

The mic was for recording, there was no audience, this performance was during the pandemic my little candle, Gunter.

@gunterjauch9051

2 жыл бұрын

@@eszterga100 my big candel Mate are you a singer or just an Expert without any Performance? Bye for Now

@williammountfield8508

2 жыл бұрын

@@gunterjauch9051 it was a television broadcast, how would you record that without a microphone? Even Giacomini used one when he made a recording.

@sw5114

2 жыл бұрын

@@eszterga100 hardly mattered. It’s a manufactured voice. Not much authentic about it. Giacomini sang Oper . JK croons. The last tones are a throat destroyer.

@septichka

Жыл бұрын

This was very poor performance (by Worlds-best-tenor standards), he shouldn't have agreed to post this....I guess it was live broadcast...Friend that sang in Met told me that they are using mics now and I was very surprised... And for Kaufmann, he said that his goal was probably to sing everything as much as possible to get the money until voice just deteriorates...so I guess my friend was right...

Kaufman sounded like a C grader by comparison. Mind you, Giacomini was stupendous when 'on song'. That recital at 54 years of age , wow.

Sorry kaufman sounds like a guy who has a half decent voice,no comparison to giacomini who is a real tenor

Kaufmann is ready for the musical 😁😥😁😥

@crazyorganist1609

Жыл бұрын

Thing is most musical singers are highly trained and some of those parts in musicals are excruciatingly difficult to sing. Kaufmann wouldn't last second in musicals

@ritapapiri

Жыл бұрын

@@crazyorganist1609 it's true....

It‘s very simple. The first one has a bad, throaty , wrong , unhealthy sound 🙉🙉🙉 and the second one 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

Maravilloso tenor Giuseppe bravooo

Beautiful voice of Jonas but wrong vocal techic etc. Well, old school is ....old school! 👍 Very clear and everything is in place.

@user-ry9zf5fp4v

Жыл бұрын

Кауфман из красивых теноров..всегда был прекрасен

@user-ry9zf5fp4v

Жыл бұрын

@Noack Somewhere он попортил голос..в молодости хороший голос..что агенты делают с их голосами?А главное сам певец неправильный репертуар выбирает..и в конец убивает вокал..такого голос не прощает издевательства

@user-ry9zf5fp4v

Жыл бұрын

@Noack Somewhere я больше согласна

@user-ry9zf5fp4v

Жыл бұрын

@Noack Somewhere особо голос Гаранчи противный,кто ее учил вокалу?Я как сама контральто, в ужасе..ее голос хочет уйти из тела,ему плохо,он получает нокаут при ее пении.А Радвановски могла бы аккуратно перейти в драм..но ..не так как она делает, ее голос спасибо не скажет.И всё упирается в педагогов вокала,старую школу бельканто никто не отменял..Повторю,согласна с вами..лишь личное тщеславие певцов,они как поп звёзды,много высокомерия и публика упала в запросах..в Большом приходят делать селфи, наряды..а на сцене кто то что то поёт с микрофоном..это катастрофа

Que desastre Kaufmann!!! Esto no es arte es un espanto, un griterío con garganta cerrada, es casi como tocar la guitarra golpeándola sobre una mesa !!

i microfoni hanno rovinato la lirica...sono diventati famosi cantanti da repertorio leggero passando come lirici spinti o ancora peggio drammatici e inoltre le nuove scuole di canto hanno fatto diventare baritoni i veri tenori drammatici

@user-ry9zf5fp4v

Жыл бұрын

Кто поет в микрофон,теряет ежедневно свой голос..30 процентов голоса уже потеряно

@user-ry9zf5fp4v

Жыл бұрын

Мужчина может петь двумя голосами и тенором и баритоном

Da gibt es natürlich nur einen Sieger G. G.! Trotzdem eine Frage, die mir manchmal kommt, was hätte Arturo Melocchi aus Kaufmanns Stimme gemacht! Wäre er mit einem guten Lehrer in die Ahnenreihe der großen Tenöre aufgestiegen? Heute, heute ist alles anders! Da ist der Einäugige unter den Blinden der König! Danke für Ihre Arbeit, ein Laie und stiller Genießer! Alles Gute für das neue Jahr!/All the best for the New Year!

@quecksilber457

3 жыл бұрын

Was hätte Karajan daraus gemacht? Pavarotti sagte mal, er wäre niemand ohne Herbert von Karajan. Ich weiß, Melocchi war Gesangslehrer von Del Monaco. Das sind zwei paar Schuhe. Dennoch.

@gabrieleertl8085

Жыл бұрын

Als Laie sollte man sich am besten gar nicht äußern wenn nur Müll heraus kommt. Zugegeben: ein Nessun Dorma möchte man anders hören und diese Darbietung ist eher ernüchternd. Doch kennt man allerdings auch dieses famos gesungen von Kaufmann. Seine Gesangstechnik war immer beispiellos. Er ist (zwar von dem großartigen Helmut Deutsch begleitet) hier wahrlich nicht in ,"Best"-Form. Da ist man von Kaufmann anderes gewöhnt. Doch ist jeder Mensch nicht jeden Tag in Bestform, was jedoch von Sängern erwartet wird und wenn ein Liederabend anberaumt ist, so findet er statt, es sei denn der Intetpret ist wirklich krank. Und heutzutage wird alles überall aufgezeichnet und eingestellt, auch wenn es mal besser nicht getan worden wäre. Kaufmann ist auch mittlerweile 53, kann auf ein sehr breites Repertoire zurückblicken und seine Auftritte sind nicht zu zählen. Bei vielen anderen Sängern haben die Stimmbänder schon eher gestreikt. Jedoch ausgerechnet dies für einen Vergleich mit irgend einem anderen von unzähligen grandiosen Tenören auszuwählen, ist völlig daneben. Hier wäre - wenn schon jemand unbedingt vergleichen will - eher ein Vergleich mit einer früheren Aufnahme (Nessun Dorma) von Jonas Kaufmann angebrachter gewesen, obwohl selbst das dann geschmacklos und albern ist. Und wenn Kaufmann ein "so schlechter" Tenor ist, wieso ist er dann u.a. auch für den grandiosen Jonathan Tetelman ein Vorbild? Da kann man sich mühevoll eine gute Gesangstechnik erarbeiten und Jahrelang eine beeindruckende Leistung bringen, wenn man nicht so gut wie gewohnt ist, wird man sogleich geächtet und fallen gelassen - vor allem von dem Publikum, das gar nicht weiß, was zur Technik des Operngesangs alles gehört und diese zarten Stimmbänder müssen Jahrzehnte funktionieren

@Sabi1970

Жыл бұрын

@@gabrieleertl8085 Intensiver JK Fan? Müll als Argument? Nun ja, jedem seine Meinung, KZread macht es möglich! Ich habe nichts gegen Kaufmann! Nur, ich habe einige der Besten seit 1966 (19 Jahre alt Live erleben dürfen, Giacomini war auch dabei, von Corelli, del Monaco, Bergonzi, Pavarotti usw., usw. ganz zu schweigen! Das schärft die Sinne, selbst als Laie! Übrigens, das selbe Phänomen bei den Damen! Wo ist die neue Tebaldi, Callas, Zeani, usw....! Weit und breit Gesangswüste! Wo ist das Wissen von großen Gesangspädagogen wie Elvira de Hidalgo und Carmen Melis hingekommen? Ich habe seit Ende der 90er kein Opernhaus mehr betreten, ich weiß warum! Nix für ungut!

Giacomini may have been better than Kaufmann but was still ingolata and sharp. Not a great example.

@draganvidic2039

2 жыл бұрын

Kaufmann is ingolata. Are you deaf?

@tita4359

8 ай бұрын

@@draganvidic2039both were. Giacomini just manages to also have more balance overall but giacomini’s voice isn’t so great either tbh

Giacomini e perfetto!! Kaufmann e malato?

These comparisons do very little, other than serve as vitriol and denigration to modern singers. The comparison between Kaufmann and Giacomina in this instance is pointless and valueless. The latter is clearly singing in Grand Opera, being paramount that his voice surmounts a full orchestra, being played as Puccini intended. The former, singing in an empty auditorium accompanied by a softly played piano, enabling Kaufmann to sing with his hallmark 'sotto'. It matters not whether you like his style of singing or not, the important thing being you can't offer the two in a genuine comparison. It's fine to prefer the 'old school singers', but all you are doing with this channel, (that you beg people to pay you to continue), is contribute towards persuading people to refrain from getting involved in the greatest art form, opera itself.

@mickey1849

3 ай бұрын

You are very emotional about your subject, and at the same time wrong in some ways. Both Kaufmann and Giacomini ARE being offered in a meaningful comparison. They are both singing in the voce in gola "style"--if you will--and Giacomini is doing a much finer job of it than Kaufmann. However, the Kaufmann supporters are all of accord that this particular recording of him is not a representative example of his ability. The entire point of having one sing in this style with a full orchestra and one sing with a piano only is to help better to compare how the style fares in both settings. Certainly, in these particular examples, Giacomini is having a much finer day of it than Kaufmann. Singing professionally is about having an audience. If certain people like the way you sing and are willing to pay to hear you sing, then you can make a living at it. This is nothing more than an analytical study of a certain style of singing: the "voce in gola style." If this style only serves as "vitriol and denigration to modern singers," then perhaps you yourself have already unconsciously expressed you consider it inferior to the traditional way of singing in big voice. Unlike many activities, singing is not necessarily a zero-sum game: it's not always I win you lose, or you win I lose. If I sing one way and have an audience, and you sing another way and have an audience, then all well and good. We both are winners. Let the market decide! Again, if their artificially dark style of singing is earning them a good living...that's food for thought. 😊

I’ve always considered Giacomini a second class tenor. The problem here is that Kaufmann is indeed a third class tenor…

@leonardoiglesias2394

2 жыл бұрын

That is exactly like that. But…for me would be: First class there is only one: Jussi Björling. Second class are: Schipa, Gigli, Di Stefano, Vickers, Pavarotti. Third Class: Domingo, Del Monaco, Corelli, Tucker. Fourth class: Giacomini, and the rest. Kaufmann is a joke. But so is Patricia Kopatschinskaja and many many many others. It is the result of the politic of agencies, recording labels such as DGG, Sony, EMI, etc. They only want quick sales and are not at all interested in music making. Nothing. The stars today are going to desappear in 4-5 years. A Giacomini sang 40 years non stop.

@Caruso_is_king

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardoiglesias2394 please add a link to you performing. You have some kind of balks calling a Schipa or a Pavarotti a second class singer. Pathetic.

@jiso5232

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardoiglesias2394 Putting Del Monaco and Corelli next to Domingo doesn't make compliments to your knowledge of operatic technique.

@jamestaylorstudios28

Жыл бұрын

@@leonardoiglesias2394 Domingo couldn't tie Corelli's shoes. Money made Domingo. I appreciate your list, but it shows a terrible bias towards the lirico, even though you put Vickers on there. Bjorling is great but is definitely NOT in a class all his own. I would prefer Gigli over him any day. And I totally dig Schipa Corelli, even with his later mannerisms is still the premiere Spinto, along with Caruso. And you make a mistake overlooking James King. Again, a premiere Spinto, a fantastic musician and actor, and he had a premiere voice. And just HOW in the world could you leave Mechior off this list?!?! The greatest Schwer Heldentenor in history. And Rockwell Blake. This fella single handedly brought back the Rossini repertoire to the mainstream. The guy had a premiere voice, and unlike most of the guys who sang that repertoire he sang with balls. Not the wimpy stuff you still hear today. No Gimenez, Matuzzi, or Alva here. His characters were heroic. And his phrasing was out of this world. You can keep Pavarotti and Domingo. Domingo had a career due to family money, not because of his voice or what he could't do with it, and Pavarotti, well, nah. Not worth it. Everyone has their faves and why they're at the top of their lists. Domingo and Pavarotti don't even come close for me.

@meleisenberg9240

10 ай бұрын

SPOT-ON Leonardo!!!!!!@@leonardoiglesias2394

The microphones nowadays are of the highest quality.

Kaufmann could have been a truly legendary Tenor, unfortunately early in his career, he listened to bad managers and agents who kept claiming that he could sing anything. NOBODY can sing everything. Kaufmann almost burned himself out, but managed to pull himself back from the precipice of complete ruin. Now he relies very heavily on technique and vocal trickery to maintain an illusion of still possessing a viable singing voice. The opera world has a history of burned out singers who sought out to be super stars, a trend which I think started around the 1980's or thereabouts. Singers are only commodities to agents and managers. Only the smart ones have the fortitude to stand up to these people and say NO, I am not ready for a particular role. Many of the old school singers have long preached this philosophy, take the slow path and permit your voice to mature and be cautious of what roles you undertake. Too many young singers nowadays are like bulls in a china shop with no finesse and no solid technique in place. Lots of theatrical hysteria and overly dramatic gestures and other nonsense.

I think the comparison shouldn't be about the singers but about the way each sing. Obviously it's not nice to compare two persons, but their way of singing is clearly different. One way is pure apotheosis, the other way is like someone being choked.. Which is which? Let your ears decide.

I could listen to Giacomini several times in theatre in Trieste and in Rome. I have always been a big fan of him. IMHO he had some similarity for what concerns the color of the voice and the intensity with the great Franco Corelli. I think that Giacomini wins easily this comparison with Kaufmann even if maybe Kaufmann (that I consider a good tenor, anyway) is not at his best in this recording.

To compare or not to compare.. etc etc... La verita' e' una sola signori... Non c'e' proprio partita !

Che differenza!

La voce di Giacomini immensa,un po alterno nelle sue prestazioni e forse ha pagato un po questa cosa,ma la concorrenza era maggiore ai suoi tempi! Kaufmann purtroppo in calando.un nessun dorma cos,ì per lo più registrato...la fama e la ricchezza a volte fanno perdere l'obiettività di sé stessi.

@mariarosariaamodio9639

3 жыл бұрын

Io credo che Kaufmann potrebbe riprendersi se solo avesse l'umiltà di fermarsi e rivedere il proprio impianto tecnico. Ha una voce meravigliosa, dei pianissimo invidiabile, è davvero un peccato. Mi spiace tanto per lui.

@kling-kling6270

Жыл бұрын

@@mariarosariaamodio9639 Unfortunately, his italian style is not what one expects from the ,,best'' . I have always thought he makes the ,,parlando'' from the recitativi sound like sung ,,in slow motion''. Same with this recording, he makes just sounds, one after the other and not a performance ( besides the fact he probably had a bad day)

Es muy fácil criticar tomando la mejor grabación de un cantante y eligiendo deliberadamente una mala del otro. Se me hace muy mala fe y habla de los valores de este canal. Si van a comparar comparen lo mejor de uno contra lo mejor del otro. Por último quiero hacer notar que la grabación de Kaufman no tiene reverberancia y la de Giacomini si la tiene. Dicho hecho reduce la cantidad de armónicos audibles y produce si bien un sonido más limpio, también uno más pobre. ¿Eso no se va a tomar en cuenta?. ¡Que falta de profesionalismo crítico!.

@jotaro9156

2 жыл бұрын

Pero de las otras hay un trecho de años y tecnología no a favor. Y aún asi. Suenan mejor? Ni la tecnología lo salva al alenant. Aparte así como sonó o canto. Canta siempre! Aparte me estás diciendo de algo ya muy planificado lo de Jonás. Ya que es un concierto. La canto bastante más fresca. No viene de varias actos de la ópera concretamente

@carlosmonzo4102

Жыл бұрын

Totalmente de acuerdo. Si comparamos voces siendo justos de verdad, deberíamos hacerlo con grabaciones de similar calidad de grabación y ambas en el mejor momento de su carrera. Y por supuesto....... jamás, jamás, equiparar una toma de estudio con otra del directo.

Kaufmann's Nessun dorma puts me to sleep... and then gives me nightmares with what I call his signature "laryngitis technique". Giuseppe Giacomini is so exciting. I love his high notes. And the brilliance of his tone throughout the aria is such a delight. His acting is very determined. You believe him from the start.

@henkmueller2550

7 ай бұрын

Very interesting. What do you mean since a low larynx seems necessary

@anibalalvarez3807

7 ай бұрын

Low larynx is indeed necessary. Constricted and tense throat as he has here is definitely not. He is trying really hard to force his throat to generate a long gone voice. It doesn't work like it used to any more. And it's truly sad. His illness and being pushed into difficult roles too soon are to blame for the most part. But we need to stop acting like he sounds OK. This is bad singing no matter how much we want to play dumb about it, or how much the PR label wants us to brainwash us into.

@sergey8732

6 ай бұрын

Ларингит был лет 10 назад. Теперь перешёл в застойный бронхит

Tt in gola kauffman 🤦‍♀️

so funny

@mtrmann

Жыл бұрын

No, it's sad. I want to hear properly trained singers with good technique when I attend a live opera. I can't because those singers don't seem to exist anymore.

Kaufmann is a crooner.

I believe you are right. That version of Jonas was not as good as the one of Giacomini. But i really hate to compare shitty really old recordings with newer ones. It's more noise than anything else.

@Oldschoolsingers

3 жыл бұрын

People think that Kaufmann is the greatest tenor of the century, we need to show that he's shit, just a mediocre handsome tenor with nice colour (from birth) and a very bad technique. He's one of the best examples of the worst period of opera

@quecksilber457

3 жыл бұрын

@@Oldschoolsingers Well i won't say he is shit. But he is far from being the best. Juan Diego Flórez has a chance to get on par with the great names of the past. But he also needs some more years.

@quecksilber457

3 жыл бұрын

@@Oldschoolsingers Oh and it is the worst period for any media. There is only shit coming out lately. Equal if music, movies, tv-shows or even games. I won't even start with literature.

@nndimitry

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣 laughing in Bjorling, Caruso, Gigli, di Stefano, Corelli high C's and del Monaco high B flats 🤣🤣🤣🤣 greatest tenor of the century bullshit. Even low grade tenors from the 50's-60's have better quality voice than Kaufmann.

@AnshaAbdul

3 жыл бұрын

@@quecksilber457 omg florez is even worse than kaufy...

So if he is a "take tenor" then what is he then?

@deathrattle216

2 ай бұрын

A tenor. The YT elitism and cattiness from people who probably don't even sing is astounding.

@bradycall1889

2 ай бұрын

@@deathrattle216 Agree he's woofy but he's still a tenor.

Kaufman’s final Vincero comes out as if he has gobbled a stinking frog and is about to throw up. You don’t portray victory with a contorted face like that. 😂 It makes you feel sorrier for the frog than Kaufman.

Ma stiamo scherzando? Non si può mettere a confronto un gigante con un discreto dilettante appena al di sopra di me quando mi faccio la barba.

They are also in different circumstances- Giacomini sang the hardest scenes before this aria, Calaf’s role is about almost screaming on the top most of time, and Kaufman is just recording recital, the voice is meant to be fresh, but it’s tired instead. Professional singer must treat his voice in right way. Kaufman is not available to do this at all ‘cause when his voice is a little bit tired, it refuses working because the manner of singing makes it matt and squeezed

I compare Kaufman to Hildegard Behrens who also had a good voice but used it disastrously wrongly.

@crazyorganist1609

2 жыл бұрын

Behrens used her voice much better than Kaufman does. She didn't destroy her voice either. Behrens was a Wagnerian and Straussian soprano

@jiso5232

Жыл бұрын

@@crazyorganist1609 Behrens sang Wagnerian roles, but she wasn't a Wagnerian soprano. Her voice was not only smaller than the voice of real Wagnerian sopranos, but also smaller than many Mozartian sopranos.

OMG

it is a shame! even if you are not musically trained you can hear how woofy n dark fake is his voice n it is not nice to hear singing like thate!! disgusting

@mickey1849

3 ай бұрын

Which one?

Kauffman ESPANTOSO COMO SIEMPRE,....

JK has terrible vowels.

Onestamente, mi piace Kaufmann, ma questa sua esecuzione è veramente penosa, ma veramente penosa...

He is a soft fake tenor singer. Occasionally there is some real resonance and it is effective but it is all still woofy. It’s very dark and does not carry well. Giacomini is a ITALIAN legend and a true lyric spinto tenore.

@draganvidic2039

2 жыл бұрын

He was a dramatic tenor

The adjustment that the two are making is similar, artificially darkening the voice, withdrawing the tongue and lowering the larynx with the lifting of the velum. Old school is represented by Antonio Paoli or Tamagno, Gigli, Tito Schipa. The American school broke with the Italian tradition and this ugly sound started to be used.

One of the reason is the pianist's playing. He is playing this aria like a song that gives the singer wrong ideam

I can agree only with one think, that wasn't the best Kaufmans day. And he fail badly at last high note, but he have really dissent voice.

Ma sono le mie orecchie oppure Kaufman stona pure qui?

@beatiroide

3 ай бұрын

Ho avuto la stessa impressione

Dark tenor, search about it... Bariton enflections... Don't judge

@mickey1849

3 ай бұрын

There are dramatic tenors. There is no official category of "dark tenor." However, if your meaning is that this darkness in the voice is a certain type of singing style then "Yes," I agree with you.

Ci sono due Calaf Giacomini e Corelli !

@giulianosalvatori4126

Жыл бұрын

diciamo CORELLI e...CORELLI !... e basta

I agree that Kaufman is not without his faults but it is not a fair comparison given that the recording of Kaufman is with piano and he is clearly trying to be more sensative rather than just ripping. Also "disgusting" seriously... let's keep it civil.

Nice compilation, but "disgusting" might not be the word.

I'm not claiming that Kaufman is better than Giacomini, anyways he's not that disgusting

Jonas Kaufmann is absolutely not a fake tenor. He IS a professional world class operatic tenor, the is no argument against that. He i a tenor and he sings opera. Fake is what you call pop singers attempting to sing opera, like the awful sarah brightman. it makes me want to tear off my ears. Or those European shows similar to the voice (might actually be the voice, can't remember) where pop singers 'sing' opera. that is also just frustrating to hear, and that is what you call a fake opera singer. I actually don't get why people make these videos about kaufmann or other singers??? why can't you enjoy two singers. i listen to, and enjoy hearing, many different opera singes because many different opera singers sound great. you know, you are actually allowed to enjoy any other tenor just as much as you do giacomini. and as soon as you get over that mental block, then you will truely start enjoying many various operas out side of what you are used to, and you will be very surprised at how much you have been missing out on.

@amandajean7738

7 күн бұрын

What did Brightman do to you?😂

Non si puo paraggonare , Giacomini fu fra gli più grandi tenori di tutti tempi, Kaufman he una voce un po sforzata e molto aiuttata dai microfoni .

@giulianosalvatori4126

Жыл бұрын

Giacomini fu fra i più grandi tenori di tutti tempi? O sei sordo o di voci ne capisci molto poco . Hai mai sentito cantare un certo FRANCO CORELLI ? Quello è il più grande TENORE e Kaufman non è da prendere in considerazione Buonasera

@mino7520

Жыл бұрын

Giuliano salvatore. Non so a quale rispondevi, ma qui si parlava di kaufman e di giacomini e ho ben detto che non si poteva paragonare etc....ma che vieni tu a inframettere a corelli nella discussione ? Certo corelli fu l'imperatore degli tenori, e questo lo sapevo da lontano ho ottant'anni e ho studiato il canto anchio. Dunque impara a taccere prima a dire piticolezze . Scuzi se non scrivo bene l'italiano so francese. Vedi ho imparato la tua lingua col canto...........buona notte.

Jonas Kauffman in the best 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

I've never understood the raves over his voice. Yes, he could sing the right notes and his voice was pleasant enough, but dull. On his best day, he had absolutely no ring, no brilliance of tone, so requisite if a tenor is to be exciting. I always felt that he was basically a baritone.

@ClergetMusic

2 жыл бұрын

He’s faking dramatic tenor by making a darker sound. He’s no baritone, but he’s trying to sound more like one: to the detriment of his voice.

@bk818

2 жыл бұрын

he had absolutely no ring, like Tenor, italian shoool Pavarotti, Reimondi, Giacomini, Gigli, Mario del Monaco ect

@alf5835

2 жыл бұрын

You know, a sentence needs to identify a subject. If all your sentences refer to "him" or "he", how can we know who you're talking about?

@rogerwhite95

2 жыл бұрын

@@alf5835 My bad - I think most opera fans would have known by the description alone - but I only watched a little of the video and thought it was exclusively about Jonas Kaufmann.

@mtrmann

Жыл бұрын

@@rogerwhite95 - I don't blame you for not wanting to waste your time listening to Kaufmann caterwaul for five minutes.

Cor blimey JK sounds like straining f3 and above. And a swallowing type sound. But he looks good.

Its very easy to find better singers from the past but its also easy to find all kind of singers from the past. Its not valuable to compare quality this way. There are good and bad singers nowadays. Nobody are perfect every time.

@mtrmann

Жыл бұрын

So who can sing well nowadays? I can barely stand to attend live performances any more.

@user-ry9zf5fp4v

Жыл бұрын

@@mtrmann живых исполнений сейчас нет..все поют в микрофон,усиливая звук

Evidently is was a bad day for Kaufmann , he over did singing it like a lied and paid the price at the end in the High B ...

Never heard K. sound this bad. Something was off.

it's amazing how many experts concerning tenors there are. Old School Jealousies is more suitable for this'forum'

You could've picked some better performance of Kauffman, he's not that bad. He sings much better than this

Tenors?? Bb4 Basses....more accurate!

il est evident pour moi... que les grand maitre italiens ont disparus... depuis 1975 il y plus personne en italie... les chanteurs comme kaufmann font ce qu'ils peuvent!... pour moi de toute facon c'est une petite voix qui veux faire la grosse voix! c'est musical avec un timbre sombre...

@giulianosalvatori4126

Жыл бұрын

Kaufmann fait ce qu'il peut ? c'est a dire RIEN !!!!! Il ne sait pas chanter

Thanks for your answer I agree totally about his voice, it's all the same. I heard him life in the concertgebouw. What i admire is that he can take back on a b flat. Diminuendo which demands a lot of control of the tension, but all great tenors can do it. For me the hostias in Verdis requiem on E is incredible difficult, its on the passagio, like un aura amorosa of which the tessitura is killing for a stronger voice. My larynx goes up but the air keeps flowing, if I keep it low I am a bariton that cannot pass the passagio😅😢

@michaelfuting2403

7 ай бұрын

You are so right!!!

Singers shouldn't sing when their voices are tired ! The results are not good, especially in the upper-registers ; especially, JK whose range -- up there -- is usually "smokey", anyway.