FAKE "High End Audio" products !! BE AWARE ...

#audio #amplifier #vinylcommunity
Here's a little insight into how some products are produced. Some may masquerade as high level audio, just to be on the bandwagon early and seem like innovators, when they are not what they seem...
Realize that with some brands you really get what you pay for, others not so much..
Better to spend $2500 on an OLD class A/B amp from Jeff Rowland than a NEW GaN Amp from someone else trying to jump on the bandwagon..
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  • @OCDHIFiGuy
    @OCDHIFiGuy5 ай бұрын

    If you like my content PLEASE SUBSCRIBE AND THUMBS UP !

  • @yaniv-nos-tubes

    @yaniv-nos-tubes

    5 ай бұрын

    hi, if you want to learn about les paul guitars there is a great youtube video on five watt world "the gibson les paul- a short history". enjoy your quest!

  • @StanThePigeon
    @StanThePigeon4 ай бұрын

    Thanks again for the killer info! Love this guy!

  • @charlesknight6168
    @charlesknight61685 ай бұрын

    I have been watching your videos on my KZread subscription for over a year. Great to hear some truth about audio. I live in Upstate SC. I have been looking for a TAD distributor. I grew up in Japan in the late '60s and 70's. I was fortunate to be shown the difference between consumer electronics manufactured faster and cheaper for the masses; and audiophile grade components assembled from high-grade, audio specific electronics. Thanks for exposing some of the BS. Also thanks for all the great advice.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Well, Im right here ... Come listen to T.A.D anytime !! I appreciate your words of support !

  • @wwoolworth
    @wwoolworth26 күн бұрын

    I love these videos. I would like the list of companies that do this even more but I understand why you don’t give that info. Keep up the good work.

  • @stevethetoolman2435
    @stevethetoolman24354 ай бұрын

    Happy Holidays Mikey! I’m a 66 retired hifi guy. My wife of 43 years both enjoy your show. Back in the 70s hifi was so popular. It’s definitely not so much now. I attempt to introduce young people to hifi. Most of the time if I say hifi or audiophile they have no idea what I’m saying. Once they hear my very sub 20k kit there shocked. I have a few young guys who have started there journey in hifi. We need a mentor program. I was shopping for speakers recently but couldn’t find anywhere to hear them within 3 hours drive. I don’t know what the answer is but the industry needs a jump start. Happy new year buddy!

  • @adamnocon9432
    @adamnocon94324 ай бұрын

    Hi Mike! What can you say about Enleum Amp-23R Desktop Headphone and Speaker Amp. "VERY HIGH-END sound, from a VERY SMALL design", weight just 8.8 lbs and cost $6,250? Is JEFF ROWLAND - MODEL 125 better?

  • @tinytunes431
    @tinytunes4315 ай бұрын

    Mikey, what are your thoughts on TAD CE1 vs CR1? Do you carry/have access to the CR1 too? Merry Christmas

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Hi TT, Yes, I am a full fledged dealer for T.A.D. CR1 typically is for a larger listening space. Stronger low frequency and higher spl ability. Same amazing beautiful mids/highs, though coming from the Reference level of product..

  • @radomirvuckovic517
    @radomirvuckovic5175 ай бұрын

    Hi Mike! I have been following your videos for a month and I really appreciate what you do, especially nobody is doing it the way you do. There are many online high praised reviews of GAN fet amplifiers made recently like Orchard Starkrimson Ultra 2.0, Peachtree GaN400, Voyager GAN 350 by LSA, AGD Tempo di GaN, Audion or Vivace, Java Single Shot or even Atma-Sphere. Could you please put some thoughts about them? Thx.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for watching. Lets just say I sell AGD and I could sell any of those that have a dealer network. For Class D under the price of AGD Tempo, I choose silicon based Class D Designs like the Jeff Rowland 125. Realize that some of the brands you mentioned carve a niche in the "affordable" market, which I nearly ignore altogether. I prefer premium level product with a value attached.

  • @radomirvuckovic517

    @radomirvuckovic517

    5 ай бұрын

    @@OCDHIFiGuy Thx a lot for your reply. I nearly bought Emerald Physics E600 power amp which despite the price has tempting vacuum tube input buffer. I ended up with Benchmark AHB2 which I really enjoy, but an itch is there. Anyway, have a great festive days! Greetings from Belgrade, Serbia.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    @@radomirvuckovic517 Thanks for watching !

  • @kendavis3604
    @kendavis36045 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this topic. I constantly run into these blow hards that think they’re throwing together something just as good sounding as well designed for audio AGD GaN amps. Same ones that are really hung up on the use of a module being packaged as a pluggable circuit in a tube. I don’t even post on those forums anymore, because the blow hards hobby is not music listening, it’s fighting with people that spend more.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Totally it.... Ridiculous...

  • @fredflintstone8048
    @fredflintstone80485 ай бұрын

    The amplification device in the circuit be it a tube, transistor, MOSFET, or Gan, is only one piece of the puzzle that creates the sound. So true.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Exactly..

  • @user-sk3fc5bb1h
    @user-sk3fc5bb1h5 ай бұрын

    Hi OCD HiFi Guy, how about Premium Audio Mini GaN class D amplifiers. I have two used as mono blocks and they sound good to me with 15in dual concentric Tannoy loudspeakers set in Voight pipes. Kevin in Ireland.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Never heard of them, a chara ! but if you are happy, then I am happy ! Éirinn go Brách !

  • @RonBushnell-do1ki
    @RonBushnell-do1ki5 ай бұрын

    Hey Mikey do you think it will ever be regulated and manufactures will ever have to tell the truth about specs

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Nope. Its easy to bend and use sleight of hand anyways. For instance, "we make our own boards" is true but it does not mean they have any clue how to design a circuit. See what I mean ?

  • @johntan4835
    @johntan48355 ай бұрын

    I read a gan amp of a known brand being marketed and was curious if it was worth it ,now i know tnx for the input

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    You bet ! Call if you want one..;-)

  • @dragocelander6671
    @dragocelander66715 ай бұрын

    Another great MAS video, Mikey! Sounds all too familiar, where an innocent audiophile gets screwed over despite trying to do their best due diligence with researching companies and their product claims. My go-to path going forward, in light of your sage advice, is to consult with you first and then do an EMI/RFI noise check on any product coming into my rig. If it’s noisy, then I’ll promptly return it to the vendor or dealer with a note of shame attached.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    There you go ! Thanks for your support !

  • @johnshaw359
    @johnshaw3595 ай бұрын

    Sounds like 95% of class D amps and their SMPS.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    There's a HUGE difference between a laptop brick and a low noise Audio SMPS...

  • @donpayne1040

    @donpayne1040

    4 ай бұрын

    Perhaps a low noise Gan powering a Gan ting?

  • @OhMyGodMuffins
    @OhMyGodMuffins5 ай бұрын

    Great vid!

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    THX !

  • @KeenAesthetic1
    @KeenAesthetic14 ай бұрын

    Smaller multi-port GaN (gallium nitride) Macbook charger replacements are available from Anker and Ugreen. Coming soon to an LPS and power conditioner near you.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    4 ай бұрын

    There you go !!

  • @jeffchristian6798
    @jeffchristian67985 ай бұрын

    Valuable Info

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks Jeff !

  • @warrenbailey1473
    @warrenbailey14735 ай бұрын

    I saw a calibration tool based on filling in near zone fields- but it seemed unscientific

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Riddle me what ?

  • @freeradical6390
    @freeradical63905 ай бұрын

    Topic?.... Does your rig image bass? Does bass image? Remote subs vs towers vs OB for imaging bass? How critical is bass below 40hz?

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Bass does not image. Low bass is critical in a bigger room, not as much in a smaller room..

  • @donpayne1040
    @donpayne10404 ай бұрын

    Yo, Mike’s, what’s that AB amp board called? Please.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    4 ай бұрын

    It's out of a piece of gear. Not available for purchase as DIY..

  • @donpayne1040

    @donpayne1040

    4 ай бұрын

    @@OCDHIFiGuy ‘k. Thanks for response.

  • @advryder
    @advryder5 ай бұрын

    Good stuff Mikey! GAN will -in short time be the default output in audio power amplification. It will be everywhere where charging, radar, and high speed switching is needed.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    I agree.... Aprilia Tuareg on deck..

  • @Salvo100
    @Salvo1004 ай бұрын

    Now I see the frame to the Ikea "city backdrop" 🙄🙄 btw, I told my friend Tom in Florida to call you about a dac.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    4 ай бұрын

    LOL, you nailed it ... Not sure if he did or not.. was it for the DAC07 ?? The guy that knew Sommovigo and Daisy ?? He bought it today.. ;-) THX

  • @Salvo100

    @Salvo100

    4 ай бұрын

    My buddy Tom W. in Florida that ordered your Ontech Dac 07@@OCDHIFiGuy I'm the same clown that pulled your chain about the "city backdrop" from another post 💩

  • @johnsonrobinsonjr1272
    @johnsonrobinsonjr12725 ай бұрын

    Yo yo yo... Morning Bro! ☕️

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Good Morning !

  • @db029936
    @db0299365 ай бұрын

    Never mind amps, what about fake speaker companies. Not many craft from scratch.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    True... that's another story...

  • @dragocelander6671
    @dragocelander66715 ай бұрын

    How did your client discovered his Class D power amp’s power supply might be an issue? I’d imagine that such power supplies are a likely source of added EMI noise in one’s rig. You should devote one of your MAS to the importance of minimizing EMI/RFI noise in one's rig.

  • @user-xg6zz8qs3q

    @user-xg6zz8qs3q

    5 ай бұрын

    I scratch my head at this statement. Class D chip amps are inherently designed to filter out noise through negative feedback loops. The head designer of Hypex modules claimed that he solved noise a long time ago in an interview through circuit design. This shouldn't be a topic in 2023. And if we're still here it could mean a lot of things. Perhaps negative feedback loops add some artifacts in the original sound wave. Measurements don't show that because people only test for sine waves (not complex music).

  • @dragocelander6671

    @dragocelander6671

    5 ай бұрын

    @@user-xg6zz8qs3q It might not be the Class D audio* circuit per se. If the manufacturer is using an aftermarket off-the-shelf power supply, then the source of the EMI noise could be from that alone. It doesn’t matter how* the EMI noise got into the system. If it’s there, then that’s bad.

  • @user-xg6zz8qs3q

    @user-xg6zz8qs3q

    5 ай бұрын

    @@dragocelander6671 The Science crowd is testing for noise floors. And even the cheapest Fosi Audio V3 amp with an external power supply measures better than most AB amplifiers. So I am confused as heck why dirt cheap amplifiers produce better results on paper than some high end stuff which sounds better.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    First off Drago is talking about a Power Supply brick belching high frequency back on the AC Line.. Has nothing to do with the amps. Next thing is great measurements dont mean good sound as we all know and can attest to.. What are you buying ? Sonic performance or a specification number ?

  • @user-xg6zz8qs3q

    @user-xg6zz8qs3q

    4 ай бұрын

    @@OCDHIFiGuy Yeah, sorry for trolling unconsciously. But noise is something that you can measure confidently. It's an obvious metric.

  • @Novilicious
    @Novilicious5 ай бұрын

    I’m eyeing the Borresen X3 speakers, made in Denmark 🇩🇰 and simply stunning. Thoughts?! 💭 I simply could believe that it was $11,000 for those…like I thought they were $30K at least. Merry Christmas 🎄 y’all!!

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Totally worth it.. but they are not made in Denmark from what ive heard inside the industry.. Killer look, and great sound however...

  • @henriksrensen3220

    @henriksrensen3220

    5 ай бұрын

    ​​@@OCDHIFiGuycabinets made in china. The rest in Denmark. Drivers made in house

  • @Novilicious

    @Novilicious

    5 ай бұрын

    @@henriksrensen3220 I’ve heard the same as well, but I haven’t fallen so head over heels 👠 for a speaker since I laid eyes on Kef Blades. While sound is paramount, looks matter a little bit and these things are drop-dead gorgeous! Thanks for your input gents!

  • @mikemcguinness1304

    @mikemcguinness1304

    5 ай бұрын

    Who cares where they are made

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    @@mikemcguinness1304 Me.. I dont support the CCP regime of China just so I can get more money... Borreson does not need to put their dick into the sub 20K market. Its only greed that makes the company with $100K bookshelf monitors do this.. So they go to a place that does not allow people civil liberty where they work for peanuts in order to big dick the market... If you like to support that, its called free will...

  • @CompetentSalesUSA
    @CompetentSalesUSA5 ай бұрын

    Thank you

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Welcome

  • @johnminassian4887
    @johnminassian48875 ай бұрын

    Hi Mikey, I understand that the audio designed amplifier boards are available "naked", and that's the way I would want them. The amp board built into the vacuum tube is cool looking, but can it be taken apart? How would you ever recap those boards if it can't come out of that glass envelope? Or is it designed as an appliance....once it stops working, it's done?

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    I have no idea what you mean "naked" .. you are a DIY Kit guy ?? 99% of buyers dont want to sling solder. Yes, the tubes can be opened and repaired on a component level, but an end user never needs to be worried about that. AGD will just send them a new tube.. AND its impossible to "Blow" these tubes, duty life is 30 years 24 hours a day 7 days a week, and they cant blow speakers either..

  • @AudioheavenDenmark
    @AudioheavenDenmark5 ай бұрын

    Technics was the first to do a real Gan fet amp. No Eval boards used. They made there own from scratch al the way back in 2016

  • @nicomodesto4368

    @nicomodesto4368

    5 ай бұрын

    Isn’t a good deal for 1k used? I think that someone could match it with other gear and have great value, like diy speakers and streamer.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Yeah, I know. Using GaN devices developed for battery chargers... Orville and Wilbur Wright were the first to fly an airplane... So what ?? Oh lets not forget the Technics has PWM digital "noise shaping" and they came up with a new acronym for lowering distortion, otherwise known as feedback... Cool, but not my thing.. Ill use Marantz for my Home Theater...

  • @AudioheavenDenmark

    @AudioheavenDenmark

    5 ай бұрын

    @@OCDHIFiGuy it's not a basic thing they do. Everything they do inside the technics su-r1000 is proprietary designs. They only use pwm at the end for digital to analog conversion. Feedback is done before that. And in the digital domain. Even the clock is put right beside the pwm output stage, less than a cm away for shortest possible connection. As a engineer myself. I find the technics su-r1000 to a bit of a masterpiece and a great value for a all in one solution. I haven't tried any better one box solution. And I've been through MANY! So many it's not even funny. And many of them costing 5 to 10 times as much. So something must be done better in the technics su-r1000 compared to all the other way over priced and hyped pieces of audio gear... Nothing wrong with using pwm at the output if you know how to do it.. If you have any advise for a one box solution I should try. Let me know. I will do my best to get my hands on it.

  • @badgerdms

    @badgerdms

    5 ай бұрын

    @@OCDHIFiGuy Luckily Technics doesn't really make anything for the home theater market so you will have to stick with Marantz. But likely as the only guy here who owns both the Technics SU-R1000 AND the ADG Audion Mkiii's I can tell you that the Technics is a masterclass in integrated amplifier design. As an amplifier only, I give the AGDs a small edge but it's nothing earthshattering. And it's $7,800 for just the amps, you are not getting the preamp, DAC or phono stage that complete the Technics package. And they do some things that no one else is doing. Not sure if you are picking on the "baby" Technics (which I have also had in my system for about a month) but if you are you are barking up the wrong tree. It's excellent as well and it's phenomenal for the price.

  • @FukemStudios
    @FukemStudios5 ай бұрын

    AGD Audion is the best amp I've ever heard in my system!

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    There you go !!

  • @calebkeen8967
    @calebkeen89675 ай бұрын

    I made a comment on another KZread creator's video a few months ago where he was complaining about statements that were made in a KZread review of an AGD amp. He asserted that the reviewer was lying in saying the same thing Alberto had told me at AXPONA. Said creator responded to my comment with a link to an eval board from GAN Systems, which I can only assume he meant as a rebuttal to AGD's claim (repeated in the review video that cheesed him) that they use the only GaN FET technology purpose-built for audio. I think I've put 2 and 2 together...

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    I believe you. So far AGD is the only one that uses Audio based devices that I am aware of. They were developed by International Rectifier.. Any other company that is not AGD uses devices designed for battery charging. This was my finding at the time of my deep dyve. Reason being Alberto was executive level at International Rectifier and before he left, (when they were bought out), he purchased ALL the inventory of the audio designed GaN devices...

  • @dajikbatarang1

    @dajikbatarang1

    5 ай бұрын

    I remember this he posted a link from GaN systems where he posted Gen2 GaN Audio Class D Amplifier Evaluation Board

  • @calebkeen8967

    @calebkeen8967

    5 ай бұрын

    @@OCDHIFiGuy That's exactly what he told me when I asked him what was different about the parts in his products vs. what's in a battery charger. He saw an opportunity, took a out a huge bet on himself and bought the lot. Great story.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    @@calebkeen8967 Great, right ?? he did not want to see thier R&D get wasted and there was an opportunity to capitalize in it since the company was dropping it. Smart guy.. ;-)

  • @AllboroLCD
    @AllboroLCD4 ай бұрын

    Sooo.... Orchard audio GaN FET amps overpriced for what it is?

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    4 ай бұрын

    Yes, IMHO..

  • @donpayne1040
    @donpayne10404 ай бұрын

    Man, hurry* with the Gallium Nitrate audio tings already. Every time, with a search, it returns an evaluation board. Why? It’s been years.

  • @louv4437
    @louv44374 ай бұрын

    Happy Holidays all

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    4 ай бұрын

    Thank you !! Happy Holidays !!

  • @prokofievchambers8603
    @prokofievchambers86032 ай бұрын

    It keeps increasing in price.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    2 ай бұрын

    Yes !

  • @petekutheis3822
    @petekutheis38225 ай бұрын

    We know Alberto's 4 and 5 figure products are quality----it may have helped for you to point out the brands that are actually just "scrapping". Lucky Alberto was paired with the Mytek guy at a show I went to----because Alberto was very condescending.

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Alberto does not pair with Mytek. No reason to. He makes his own DAC. And yep, hes smarter than you or I so he gets frustrated with idiotic audio shows Im sure. Ive heard Mark levinson tell someone their question was stupid.. This is what happens when you put very intelligent guys into the herd to deal with the cows.. (this is an example of a condescending view, but there's truth in it)

  • @user-xg6zz8qs3q
    @user-xg6zz8qs3q5 ай бұрын

    I have more thoughts rushing through my head since yesterday. I can't deny anything you said in the video. I am just offering my frugal internet shopper perspective. Scrappers don't use such poor EVAL boards. Scrappers buy amplifier modules like the ICEpower 50ASX2 board for about $140. They seem to be built well, and they measure well (the only thing that matters these days, but I'm cynical). The EVAL board in the video looks so cheap and flimsy, it's not representative. Regardless, the proof is in the listening. I would kill for a comparison between a scrapper amp with a Hypex module and a "Hi-Fi" amp costing thousands. The 1700€ Cabasse Abyss is an empty box using a tiny ICEpower module and some circuit boards for inputs and streaming. What a joke!

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Bottom line is the proof is in the listening. This kills your point about measurement. Measurement does not matter when it comes to listening experience.. Ice power is NOT scrapper parts, its VERY developed. Eval boards in my example are totally basic, yet I know companies that use them..

  • @user-xg6zz8qs3q

    @user-xg6zz8qs3q

    5 ай бұрын

    @@OCDHIFiGuy Interesting. So you're saying that ICEpower boards are a great deal? Everyone may as well be using them...

  • @Jason787
    @Jason7875 ай бұрын

    Of late it has dawned on me how you work. Your not necessarily into hifi that costs alot because people will pay but more hifi that is value for money, so if it is expensive it should in build and design reflect the cost so i do not look upon you as ocd now but ethical. So your true name should be "ethical hifi guy".

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Ka BAM !! if you hold this in mind when you go back and watch my videos, it will all make sense... You nailed it.. In fact, I own ethicalcorporations.org (even though its parked right now)

  • @rolandlickert2904
    @rolandlickert29045 ай бұрын

    Buy a well-known brand as simple as that what i always did the last 55 years

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    So buy Sony then..

  • @MoizAudio
    @MoizAudio5 ай бұрын

    people love fake stuff

  • @OCDHIFiGuy

    @OCDHIFiGuy

    5 ай бұрын

    Why do you think Porn is so successful ??

  • @kongtzengchang4225

    @kongtzengchang4225

    5 ай бұрын

    Yeb!! Most of the time it's better than the real. (Prettier, unlimited selection, almost anywhere anytime you want and etc...)@@OCDHIFiGuy

  • @glenncurry3041
    @glenncurry30415 ай бұрын

    1st!