This confirms what I already knew about confirmation bias.

@gabrielmihai7856

2 жыл бұрын

:))

@jonasfermefors

2 жыл бұрын

Clearly you're a clever guy...

@oprimonrardian

2 жыл бұрын

This comment made my day! Thank you for that.

@christianbrobst3486

2 жыл бұрын

Your confirmation further confirms my confirmation of what I already knew about confirmation bias

@robcerasuolo9207

Жыл бұрын

The evidence I have also indicates that everyone cherry-picks their evidence, and as a result, no one should ever be taken too seriously in their conclusions and convolutions. 😏

“It’s hard to win an argument with a smart person, but it’s damn near impossible to win an argument with a stupid person” -Bill Murray

@sirhetmanpirate

2 жыл бұрын

Except that what she said in the video suggests that a smart person would be even harder to argue with. Intelligent people put their minds hard at work to rationalise the idea away, make the new information conform to their world view..

@johnchestnut5340

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirhetmanpirate There is a limit. Averages are applied. A complete and utter idiot is impossible to reason with. A person of average intelligence is still capable of reasoning. You cannot explain how an electric heater works to a person who does not understand electricity.

@kevalprajapati9716

2 жыл бұрын

@@sirhetmanpirate Also we're not aware of what they meant as "intelligent" person. From my experience, if you have the facts, an "intelligent" person would recognize that and adjust their point of view. But that's just a day-to-day observation.

@santiagosancho2317

Жыл бұрын

@@sirhetmanpirate Yeah, exactly, the original comment kind of goes against what she says. So apparently, "dumber" people would be actually easy to convince of a different thing (said thing being good or not)

@deanstatham8537

Жыл бұрын

REAL , F.U

"Stop leaving quotes of famous people, it's annoying" -Sun Tzu, Art of War

@monsieurdorgat6864

2 жыл бұрын

"No" - All your dates

@nazellina

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for this :)

@darrenehhhhhhtill8051

2 жыл бұрын

I'm hungry - Cameron Gill

@IRosamelia

2 жыл бұрын

"But I like reading interesting quotes!" -Me

@ohcrikey9560

2 жыл бұрын

'Us roadsweepers have a saying....'look after your broom'.' -Trigger

"The human brain is a complex organ with the wonderful power of enabling man to find reasons for continuing to believe whatever it is that he wants to believe." - Voltaire

@QoraxAudio

Жыл бұрын

"Cliche quote because I can't come up with something useful to say" - Random KZread comment

@adropofgoldensun27

Жыл бұрын

@@QoraxAudio you have quotes all wrong mate, it's exactly what I wanted to say except Voltaire said it better. Otherwise I'd sound just like you.

@deanronson6331

Жыл бұрын

@@adropofgoldensun27 There are many people on social media (possibly just a few using different handles), who repeat these quotes ad nauseam to appear "profound" to naive, semi-educated users. As a wise man said, it's better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to use cliche quotes and remove all doubt.

@The1stDukeDroklar

Жыл бұрын

@@deanronson6331 And there are more people that are simply better educated than the average person and can use a quote to get their point across.

@deanronson6331

Жыл бұрын

@@The1stDukeDroklar Are you effing kidding me? Are you so naive to think that we're not aware of the fact that any Joe Schmo can google quotes online on any subject and become an instant quoting machine?

The problem with the world is that the intelligent people are full of doubts, while the stupid ones are full of confidence.

@sugarhighmegaming5008

6 жыл бұрын

Doodle Master Whoa... Someone totally misjudged which group they belong to.

@sugarhighmegaming5008

6 жыл бұрын

Doodle Master If I didn’t make it confidently it wouldn’t be an assertion, just a suggestion.

@paulwhited8716

6 жыл бұрын

Doodle master LMFAO thanks for the laugh this morning 😂😂😂😂😂

@Dorianin1

6 жыл бұрын

Get the feeling Doodle's a little too dumb to have any opinion of his own about vaccines? Parroting a playboy model and a discredited scientist doesn't really give a reason to think you have much of a brain.

@borealphoto

6 жыл бұрын

"doing your own research" is an euphemism for seeking confirmation bias.

“It is much easier to fool someone than convince them they have been fooled.” Mark Twain

@krystynacarpenter9444

2 жыл бұрын

I just used the same quote. Great minds think alike 😂

@NoActuallyGo-KCUF-Yourself

2 жыл бұрын

And the easiest person in the world to fool is yourself.

@SunriseLAW

2 жыл бұрын

"Only a fool would go without an extended warranty on their vehicle" -Mark Twain

@darrenehhhhhhtill8051

2 жыл бұрын

I'm hungry - Cameron Gill

@thatoneguy7603

2 жыл бұрын

@@darrenehhhhhhtill8051 yes a quote from one of the great philosophers.

I was taught in grad school that scientists don’t use the word “believe” because it implies that beliefs don’t require facts or data. I’ve never forgot that lesson.

@anton7354

2 жыл бұрын

to be fair you have to have no "beliefs" regarding data as well...

@ZipMapp

2 жыл бұрын

I use belief as a derogatory term

@YARDRACERS

2 жыл бұрын

GOOD, AND I HEARD " BELIEF = A BELOVED THOUGHT"

@duderama6750

2 жыл бұрын

They don't want you to know how they acquired their beliefs.

@sitimaan5054

Жыл бұрын

That's interesting to me....what are the words they use?

"Don't believe everything you read on the internet" - Abraham Lincoln

@ngozinnunukwe5680

2 жыл бұрын

🤣

@aarone8740

Жыл бұрын

I thought that was Adems

@primerim2799

Жыл бұрын

it's in a constitution

@tarajoyce3598

Жыл бұрын

🤣

@ianlassitter2397

Жыл бұрын

Only proving that as believed by many, Abraham Lincoln was in fact a time traveller.

“People turn their brains off when they disagree.” I can’t agree more on this haha

@czakotmiszermawi

2 жыл бұрын

I, well, disagree with you. :-)

@Uns46

2 жыл бұрын

@@czakotmiszermawi battle royal then

@Uns46

2 жыл бұрын

@@musicauthority7828 is this a comment posted by a conscious mind? ;)

@erezsolomon3838

2 жыл бұрын

@@czakotmiszermawi explain yourself please

@czakotmiszermawi

2 жыл бұрын

@@erezsolomon3838 It supposed to be a sarcasm (actually, more autoirony). If I'm correct, the author understood that, some others probably not that much.

"Too often, we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought." -President John F. Kennedy

@johnnybecerra2647

3 жыл бұрын

How is a thought different from an opinion?

@danielportelli8214

3 жыл бұрын

Most peoples opinions are formed by someone else and not individually thought through at all. Thinking properly and really reasoning things out is a very difficult and energy consuming task because we're so used to being told what to think as opposed to bring encouraged to think for ourselves

@ninpeg4441

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnnybecerra2647 The discomfort of thought as in thinking about it. Not just having an opinion but actively thinking about why

@MP-db9sw

2 жыл бұрын

Opinions arent thinking, they are passive faith that we are already right. Honest thought demands that we genuinely challenge our opinions in the attempt to prove ourselves wong, this is uncomfortable.

@Mcfreddo

2 жыл бұрын

I want to remember that.

This woman’s points are why Facebook, KZread, mainstream media are so careful about the “infotainment” you are exposed to.

When you reduce facts to "your truth," you subvert fact by making everything subjective. Then you're in the vast ocean of "everything is opinion".

@justinclark3793

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I'm not gonna live my truth. I'm gonna live, and I'm gonna try and become aware of the actual truth.

@thomascromwell6840

10 ай бұрын

​@@justinclark3793How will you do that? Do you have a lens into the objective without looking through the subjective you?

@thomascromwell6840

10 ай бұрын

Everything is subjective. I don't have an omniscient perspective on reality and I'm quite sure neither do you. We use the scientific method to arrive at a common, demonstrable and identifiable truth. The theory of relativity for example depends on the inertial frame of reference. No two points share one. Also your misuse of the phrase 'my truth' shows you haven't seriously looked at its origins and uses. Might as well use 'woke' and 'literally' to mean whatever you personally want.

@justinclark3793

10 ай бұрын

@@thomascromwell6840 I think you're nit picking here, bud. Things are not subjective, but our interpretations of them are. The person you're correcting is actually right, but they didn't use the best language

@justinclark3793

10 ай бұрын

@@thomascromwell6840 bro you sound like me when I was 12 years old, saying "yeah, but how do you KNOooOOooOOw?"

It's pride! Once a person has made up his mind and made that thought public, his pride prevents him from accepting opposing evidence and retracting.

@smithersandburns

6 жыл бұрын

Yep, it's dumb when a person can't get over themselves. Dumb because it's selfish. When a person is unware of anythingsother than their own selfish wants and needs, they aren't aware of much at all. Not being aware of much at all, that's what being dumb is. Boom.

@graemesydney38

3 жыл бұрын

too trite

@paulkielty3800

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you totally,people are afraid of being wrong and seemingly looking foolish.🇮🇪

@cuckoophendula8211

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty much. It's pride that keeps people on the high-confidence-low-info side of the Dunning Kruger graph.

@embracethemystery

3 жыл бұрын

almost nothing involving people and psychology s that simple. sometimes pride is involved, sometimes not. jumping to simple conclusions is an example of the kind of limited, non-scientific, and frankly lazy "thinking" discussed in this video.

Little notes for myself: -Information is not the best way to convince people, why? => Confirmation Bias Eventually, polarization -Two people agrees => they become more confident about their view else => theirs view doesn't change much -The more intelligent you are, you are more likely to twist data to conform to what you already believe -In a state of disagreement, you don't have to debunk the contadictory view to convince people. Focusing on a different but relevant direction instead of the contradicting argument's center is more feasible, especially when something significant that has been ignored and shared as a common motive is showed.

@virginiamoss7045

2 жыл бұрын

15 seconds. We need you for every video. She just went on and on and repeated herself multiple times.

@kosztaz87

2 жыл бұрын

@Music Authority What's your problem, are you one of those people who can't change their mind, and deep down you just realised it? And now you angry with the whole world, because of your own failing?

@kosztaz87

2 жыл бұрын

@@musicauthority7828 You replied to me (I can see it in my notifications), but then for some reason you have deleted your reply. Why?

@MrCaesartheman

2 жыл бұрын

​@@musicauthority7828 that wasn't very intelligent.

@DrJoshuaPerry

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, a strawman is the only thing that works with irrational people. ;^p

“Man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest”. Simon and Garfunkel (The Boxer)

This video gives "Facts don't care about your feelings" a new meaning

@williamspell5692

Жыл бұрын

And feelings don't care about your facts.

@buffuniballer

Жыл бұрын

@@williamspell5692 yep, feelings are largely impervious to facts.

@eeurr1306

8 ай бұрын

@@buffuniballerTheyre not impervious to EMOTIONAL DAMAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

@buffuniballer

8 ай бұрын

@@eeurr1306huh?

“For a man to conquer himself is the first and noblest of all victories.” - Plato

@Psy0psAgent

2 жыл бұрын

Done. Foot on the dragon.

@wat2206

2 жыл бұрын

@@Psy0psAgent it means that person has to understand themselves

@marshalironsides8777

2 жыл бұрын

Good! Debating ENDS.

@InefableTheo

2 жыл бұрын

know thy Self

@Pohlmaster

2 жыл бұрын

What about women? Obviously they didn’t exist back then, because Plato was smart, he would have known, right? Right? No? … No.

George Orwell - "Sometimes the first duty of intelligent men is the restatement of the obvious."

@fredkeeler4620

5 жыл бұрын

Love that. Speaking of Orwell, "1984" is more relevant than ever.

@phukyew14

5 жыл бұрын

Sounds like he was talking about Jordan Peterson. Common sense isn't common anymore.

@jessewallace12able

3 жыл бұрын

Really good. Thank you.

@MatthewTS22

3 жыл бұрын

Restatement to whom?

@timstadlmueller58

2 жыл бұрын

What's this from? Fantastic quote.

Find the common motives to change the outcome. Perfect, thank you!

@thomascromwell6840

10 ай бұрын

It's not. You cannot find common ground with religious zealots and racists. They want you to suffer. That's why they do what they do.

I think the biggest point is how much information the other person is being exposed to while in an suseptible state. I found that people are more likely to change their mind about something that I'm arguing against when I calm them down 1st. Usually I do this by signaling to them, in some way, that I'm not attacking their intelligence, I'm just trying to share information. No one listens when they feel angry and embarrassed.

"To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason...is like administering medicine to the dead...." Thomas Paine "The American Crisis" March 1788

@1974jrod

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed. The toughest ones are the ones whom actually think they are using the authority of reason.

@Junior-zf7yy

3 жыл бұрын

@@1974jrod you don’t see the irony in the fact you are also coming from a standpoint in which you also believe you are using the authority of reason? When two people both believe they’re using the authority of reason, who’s to say which one of them is objectively using the authority of reason? The thought process you’re criticizing is also the same thought process you’re actually using yourself.

@1974jrod

3 жыл бұрын

@@Junior-zf7yy I don't think, I know. There is a difference.

@Junior-zf7yy

3 жыл бұрын

@@1974jrod No that’s the problem. Have you ever considered that the people you dispute with also feel that they KNOW.

@1974jrod

3 жыл бұрын

@@Junior-zf7yy I do. But someone has to know or everyone is ignorant. Is everyone ignorant?

A willingness to change your mind when confronted with new evidence is one of the single most admirable traits I can think of. I’m always trying to catch myself when I see bias in my thought patterns. I’m always willing to hear your argument and give you the chance to change my mind as long as you’re using valid evidence of some kind. People need to beware the biases instilled by their parents/teachers/idols. We should always come to terms with the fact that the people who brought us up were humans too, and they don’t have all the answers either. This is what makes science so so valuable. Science is the personification of a person constantly trying to improve their opinion, and prove their self wrong. Science thrives on proving other science wrong or outdated. That’s what makes it the opposite of religion.

@verenahua4834

3 жыл бұрын

It's just not easy to cut thru our own biases n yrs of conditioning n yrs of brain washing. It takes a lot of attentive self awareness which most of us today, don hv time for. To reflect. To connect inward. Sometimes it takes practice to do self analysis.

@Andrea.1tree

3 жыл бұрын

Definitive Entertainment. I agree with you. I grew up in a cult church, that brain washed with fear, and guilt. Ten years after I left there, I found myself in an argument about religion with co-workers. I normally avoid this, but for some reason I heatedly responded. And stopped myself mid sentence. Apologized with, “I don’t even believe that, I don’t know why I’m arguing “. It was an eye opening moment. I try to be open minded, and learn every day. To me, that’s what science is. Because as long as we exist, we learn. I feel pity for the people I know who are in that religion still. It is voluntary, and any time I’ve attempted to rebuff their attempts at “bringing me back to jesus “, my arguments are met with a wall of almost violent “truth”. So, I let them be, and moved to a more open minded community. I guess I needed to get that off my chest. Whew! Lol.

@gessie

2 жыл бұрын

@@verenahua4834 Depends on how old you are, and how ashamed. Motivated children can shed the cloak of brainwashing under a second if sufficiently disgusted by dogma. Adults too, if they feel deeply ashamed of having been misled. If you've become an adult without ever really thinking, and have now become prideful, then yeah - tough shit.

@PBAmygdala2021

2 жыл бұрын

@O.P.: Brilliant! Thank you for that. You should be a guest host on Talk Heathen!

@DeKnight95

2 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't consider that a good thing but it does keep the lights turning on

As Maynard Keynes once said ' When the facts change, I change my mind' Let's all try to really take that on board.

@garytate8284

2 жыл бұрын

That, unfortunately, involves critical thinking and an open mind. Today, technology has made it easier to live in a one-voice bubble and education is going backwards. We're starting to teach kids to avoid books and issues that don't fit our thinking, rather than allowing them to learn critical thinking and read everything.

@dm-2194

Жыл бұрын

How does a fact change?! Having said that, I would change my mind in light of new information…

@daviddunmore8415

Жыл бұрын

@@dm-2194 Now we're getting ino philosophy - things that have been held to be facts have later been shown not to be true. This is something that happens in the light of new discoveries.

One problem I see going on is the lack of trust in professionals such as scientists and doctors. When presented with studies and data, people question the validity of them, which stems from how some companies and organizations present their information to be more favorable to their argument. Unless the audience is knowledgeable in those topics, it can be difficult for them to understand if those information makes sense or not. Besides confirmation bias, I think the distrust of corporations and organizations is another big factor.

I had the misfortune of working with a guy who was very good at making arguments and influencing the top brass. I soon realized that he never let facts get in the way of his arguments. Some of us who were technical experts knew he was a fraud. He even cost me my job after I called him out on it. Since he had won over top management he had that kind of “credibility” to affect people’s standing within the company. He would plant seeds of lies about people who were a threat to him. However, facts eventually caught up with him and he was fired, but not without the wake of damage he had caused.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

Kinda like Religion - zero evidence of anything yet "he is coming any day now" and even uneducated goat-herders realize that the boy crying wolf is just playing with them, educated, intelligent people of the 21st century, no less, drool over this promise Or of course, there is Heaven - billions of lazy people sponging off God for eternity - living a life of ease & comfort just like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders do down here - an idle, useless, pointless existence for eternity! And again those who questioned such promises were mass murdered in the past - still getting abused and killed in countries like Pak and Bangladesh

@robertcoutts926

2 жыл бұрын

That's called a sociopath ... facts are to be avoided at all costs.

@willek1335

2 жыл бұрын

Would you've done things differently, knowing what you know today?

@fred8174

2 жыл бұрын

We’ve all had that experience, I’ll bet. Happened to me too.

@duderama6750

2 жыл бұрын

They are everywhere. They seek positions of authority so that they can control people.

I love how everyone in the comment section seem to think that this video is about "the other side", without reflecting that it might be their own bias which make them not realize that there is confirmation bias on their own side.

@KeshmarOrange

6 жыл бұрын

That's true, but how do we know that we have the facts which describe reality best? How do we know when our personal biases are coming into play?

@incognitotorpedo42

6 жыл бұрын

KeshmanOrange, we have centuries of experience at determining which facts describe reality best. We know what works. It's called the Scientific Method.

@VestigialHead

6 жыл бұрын

+IncognitoTorpedo Yes what you say is true. Just be aware that confirmation bias can still play a part when an existing scientific principle or theory is questioned or seemingly proved wrong. As long as you are mindful of confirmation bias you can steer clear of it.

@ElCatrinMuerto

6 жыл бұрын

ShamPooSham so true... lol

@KeshmarOrange

6 жыл бұрын

+IncognitoTorpedo Agreed. =)

My friend is a really smart guy, who loves facts and argue with people. But one day, after so many storms in his path, he asked me what characteristcs i had that made me be able to be inside different groups. I said: You dont really have to know all the facts, you just have to know their feelings and start from that.

@KPMwolf

2 жыл бұрын

Completely agreed. One need to balance logic and emotion.

@juliahello6673

2 жыл бұрын

If I can’t “win” an argument without manipulating someone’s emotions I don’t even want to try.

@ZipMapp

2 жыл бұрын

I'm sorry but this really sounds like talking to people with mental limitations

@DrRodox.

2 жыл бұрын

@@juliahello6673 So you are the 100% facts type of person too?

@DrRodox.

2 жыл бұрын

@@ZipMapp Tell me more.

You've confirmed my belief (formed about half way through)! People are wired up to win fights, more than they are, to measure up the world around them. And for most people, an argument is a fight, not a mutual search for the truth.

@akashtandel9633

2 жыл бұрын

Can I quote you sometimes, especially the second sentence ? It is one of the best original quotes in the comment section.

@sicko_the_ew

2 жыл бұрын

@@akashtandel9633 Thanks. Yes, sure. No need to quote me. If the words express your own thoughts on the matter, you can just use them. (It's not a paper or something, just a conversation of sorts?)

It's a real testament to the effectiveness of vaccines that people have forgotten what they're for.

@chasesmith7826

6 жыл бұрын

m0L3ify, damn, this comment blew me away farther than it should have. But, so fucking true, too. So many people have been spared pain, death and heartache. And refute the data before them or never learn of it. It's a sad testament.

@Muzikman127

6 жыл бұрын

Doodle Master man I want to just call you a fucking moron so bad but that in no way will help the situation. Do you believe in even the concept of vaccination? Are all vaccines fake or just some of them? If only some of them are fake, which ones? And do the diseases exist, or are they made up too? Like, does measles or polio exist?

@Dorianin1

6 жыл бұрын

Don't feed the troll, Muzik...well, unless you want to toy with an obviously defective degenerate. It's fun, I heartily recommend it.

@Muzikman127

6 жыл бұрын

Drosta Dorianin I think this is the wrong attitude. There are unfortunately at this point a large cohort of people really no different from your average person on the street in who have been persuaded that vaccines don't work. If this was confined to the "the earth is flat" type people that would be one thing, but unfortunately it's not. They're not really any less rational than the average person but they've ended up in this completely counterfactual bubble. So how do we deal with them? I'm not exactly sure, but insulting and toying with they isn't going to win them around, if anything just convince them they are right. A troll is someone just looking for a response, unfortunately most of the anti-vacc commenters really believe what they're saying.

@Dorianin1

6 жыл бұрын

Then the loss of their genetics won't hurt the species at all. Let 'em go the way of the dodo.

Early in my career as a systems and hardware design engineer I knew another older engineer who used to joke (he was joking about why some system designs fail), "Change the facts to match the theory" , in other words, don't do that. When designers cherry pick data to match their system performance expectations the result can be bad outcomes (fatal outcomes for Avionics systems, bridges and so on) .

@stevenvater2681

2 жыл бұрын

Great Post,...but you need to add climate change to your list

@AppleSauceGamingChannel

2 жыл бұрын

The problem being that in situations for which large numbers of people need to be convinced of the facts, not just people that know what they're talking about, alternative methodologies to plain statements of fact need to be used. Facts don't easily get assimilated by the majority of people. Even simple ones.

Never had issues with learning something new and admitting I was wrong..

Intelligent people are more likely to skew data analytics and recommendation’s to align with their beliefs or convictions. That is why social papers need to be reviewed from a critical perspective. Opposite Political views need to be embraced for social cohesion in the review process. Even current social peer reviews demonstrate confirmation bias.

This video made me realize, I am a big culprit in utilizing confirmation bias to validate my beliefs :-)

@jasondashney

3 жыл бұрын

That's awesome. Never stop letting new information help you grow as a person.

@prakritisingha6906

3 жыл бұрын

wow amazing!!! now I have some hope for humanity!

@amoghnene

3 жыл бұрын

that's great

@lobstered_blue-lobster

2 жыл бұрын

"This video made me realize, *We are a big culprit in utilizing confirmation bias* ....."

@countryjoe3551

2 жыл бұрын

Now if we could just get the rest of humanity to make the same confession.

I've heard this attributed to several different sources, nevertheless, it remains true : " When an honest man is proven wrong, he either stops being wrong, or, he stops being honest".

I stumbled upon this concept just the other day! I have laundry soap sheets and wanted to get people to switch from plastic. I didn't mention the environment or dioxins once, I only talked about how I don't have to lug that huge, heavy bottle to the washer anymore and how it actually works better anyway! Lol These are people who fought me before on environmental issues, and they're switching!!! 👍 😃 👍

"Our/my truth" This concept needs to be re-evaluated.

"Facts don't win fights ... " As Astonishing and bewildering as i found this to be it is undeniably true ! : (

@DaveE99

2 жыл бұрын

It’s frustrating as often I’ve expressed an interest in actually being open and learning about a subject deeper, because of you think about it, what do we really know about climate change or health policy for instance. And never had anyone take me up on this.

@bornanatheist8346

2 жыл бұрын

Arguing with anyone is not a good way so I say, "have you check your fact? No, than think what you will." Then I go on am way. My mother would tell you, "Never argue with an idiot as will just get you upset. Beat you head on a wall, does not solve the problem but it works just as well."

@jhdk356

2 жыл бұрын

Paraphrasing the conclusion; Facts don't win fights, fear does...

@bornanatheist8346

2 жыл бұрын

@@jhdk356 Then you would have a problem with me, I walk point my in Nam as a Marine and anyone that knows me knows I go by saying, "the only thing to fear is fear itself!" Or how is this one, "You only die once but a coward dies a thousand death!" Who are you to other than yourself?

@gforce9132

2 жыл бұрын

@@bornanatheist8346 he’s right . Look at the power of religion,divisive politics, most humans are guided by self preservation. Facts are useless to the sheep. It’s depressing but society is built that way. I like the quote you mentioned but courageous heroes are used and not appreciated enough .

Ego is a big problem as well, some people don't want to "give in" and don't easily admit they are wrong (subconsciously, selectively filtering information. wanting to be right). I always try not to have any "interests" or get too emotional/personal. I don't mind being wrong. I'd rather be wrong then lie to myself.

@person8203

6 жыл бұрын

So right, ego effects everything. Not just discussions but all kinds of areas, especially the work place. Managers that dismiss ideas only to regurgitate them as their own. People that have to inject their own spin on an idea to feel like it's their's. Arguing semantics to somehow 'win' an argument (happens a lot on yt). Dismissing or belittling is a big tactic for dragging down others. It's all driven by ego.

@SpaceZombie

6 жыл бұрын

That also sounds familiar indeed :P

@danielmancillas5672

6 жыл бұрын

SpaceZombie WHOOPEEE!!!

@juanmoralesvideo

6 жыл бұрын

I believe ego is THE problem here.

@Scrapingthebottom

6 жыл бұрын

I agree

"Marge, there's an empty spot I've always had inside me. I tried to fill it with family, religion and community service but those were dead ends. I think this chair is the answer." Homer Simpson

3:35 - 3:54 This is a very interesting point. It shows that intelligence and rationality are completely separate. It reminds me of the Orthogonality Thesis in AI research. Intelligence in AI research simply refers to how effective an agent is to achieve its goals. It says nothing of how "intelligent" or stupid that goal may be. This fits well with this idea. An intelligent person is simply better at arguing their case, thus reaching their goal. Changing your goal is what's so difficult.

@AppleSauceGamingChannel

2 жыл бұрын

Not completely. If that were the case you could easily point out a living being that has ant level intelligence but is demonstrably able to use reason. But you can't, because they aren't. Were you trying to point out that intelligence and rationality aren't synonyms rather than separate, as in unrelated?

@DirtyPoul

2 жыл бұрын

@@AppleSauceGamingChannel Good point. They are of course not completely unrelated.

@Puschit1

Жыл бұрын

I think that's a bit exaggerated. An intelligent person is able to spin better, sure, but it wasn't said if he is doing this on purpose or subconsciously! Which is a big difference. I am pretty good ad this, you can give me any position and I can defend it, even switch sides in the middle of the discussion, but I still know the "truth" and if I am actively working against it or not. Of course I tend to stick to my beliefs, too, but when overwhelming evidence is presented, I relent. Deep down you just know.

@DirtyPoul

Жыл бұрын

@@Puschit1 But that's the whole point. You can be completely wrong and not realize it, continuing to argue against the evidence because deep down "you just know" that you're right. That's what's so dangerous.

@Puschit1

Жыл бұрын

@@DirtyPoul Sure, but the video implies that intelligent people are more susceptible to this which I don't agree with. You need intelligence in the first place to get closer to the truth. You might fail like everyone else and you might be able to spin better but you don't run an overall greater risk. Just have a look at the US: More educated people tend to vote blue, lower intelligence tends to be attracted to MAGA. Interlectuals on both sides are equally able to spin everything according to their agenda but bet everything I have that most of these right wing interlectuals pretty much know what's going on. They just go with it because there is money and power to be grabbed.

Fun fact: You never win an emotional argument with logic.

@alanduval4255

5 жыл бұрын

...and pretty much all arguments are emotional.

@taylordavison6849

5 жыл бұрын

@@alanduval4255 And most who are emotional are in denial.

@baruchben-david4196

5 жыл бұрын

Reasoning will never make a man correct an ill opinion, which by reasoning he never acquired. - Jonathan Swift.

@Sora-ce1zx

5 жыл бұрын

Logic is not for attacking people but communicating with people after all.

@angelicamimosa

5 жыл бұрын

YJ0AUF Agree! And most conversations on social media are emotional and not intellectual Shows how flawed we humans are!

"Just giving information without first considering where they are coming from may backfire at us." In other words, even if we find someone's beleifes repulsive we have to consider their upbringing and perspectives and not come off as threatening. Then we can begin to convice them of our own points and perspectives.

@dianedonohue9855

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. It's like the right combo... opens the lock! 👍

@scambammer6102

2 жыл бұрын

I want to see a study on the effects of mockery.

@bloodink9508

2 жыл бұрын

This great for one on one discussions. When was the last one one rally, or awareness campaign, news release etc?

@PBAmygdala2021

2 жыл бұрын

@@scambammer6102 very interesting idea! I searched on Google Scholar but couldn't find anything relevant.

Confirmation bias is a phenomenon that can affect anyone even those who are convinced they Are not biased

"The common motive" IE Appeal to emotion. They dont care about facts, but show what can happen to their kids if they dont, and suddenly they want to do it. You used emotion, in this case, fear, to change their minds.

@SteveWithers

2 жыл бұрын

Did the information result in fear? You're assuming a few things here......

@FNHot

2 жыл бұрын

@@SteveWithers Am I? Showing someone that they could be exposing their kids to a horrible death via measles / polio. What emotion do you think that would evoke? joy? She's spinning it like just not talking about autism was the fix, when really it was terror and horror. I mean you want to see terror being used to convince people to get a needle, turn on the tv. It seems to work on MOST people.

"Two minutes' thought is sufficient to make this clear. But thought is arduous, and two minutes is a long time" Bertrand Russel

@troybingham6426

2 жыл бұрын

Wow what a great quote. Thanks for sharing that one.

@darrenehhhhhhtill8051

2 жыл бұрын

I'm hungry - Cameron Gill

@joiamed8544

2 жыл бұрын

One hundred twenty seconds.

The level of a person's fears has an impact on their openness to new viewpoints.

@luispiros

2 жыл бұрын

But not only fear, but also motivation impacts their openness to viewpoints, as well.

@TheMongrelCat522

2 жыл бұрын

Fear is the mind-killer

@couchpotatoe91

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheMongrelCat522 Haha I was about to type just that!

When we are constantly fed a only trickle of pre-filtered facts that fit a particular narrative, it's challenging to make logical conclusions.

@garytate8284

2 жыл бұрын

but most like it that way. I heard a Trump supporter say he won't listen to anything that wasn't right wing news/entertainment because he didn't want to hear people who he didn't agree with.

This reminds me of how they get people to evacuate from areas facing imminent disasters. Instead of arguing with the dissidents using facts such as wind speed of hurricanes for example, they simply told them to take a sharpie and write their name, number and other identification information on their arms and legs and their childrens' face, arms and legs. This implied that this info is clearly to identify their dead body. Also implied that the severity of the disaster is bad enough that only the head of their children maybe found. Instantly people agreed to evacuate. When the basis of trust/safety shifted from their own knowledge and hubris to a sharpie(which probably will wash away) they realised the fault in their paradigm. They instantly Identify the threat when the consequences affect things they care about the most. A middle ground is established. All resolutions needn't be morbid but, threatening people's family with real consequences is the best answer😂😂😂.

Title should be. How to win a "KZread comment section argument".

@punlovincriminal5564

6 жыл бұрын

drink15 LOL there is rarely a winner it that situation. Just time wasted trying to convince some idiot that they are wrong in my experience.

@simonbanks5012

6 жыл бұрын

Pun lovin criminal That's just because you think you're right and can't question that...

@punlovincriminal5564

6 жыл бұрын

Simon Banks I only ever argue based purely on scientific studies. I constantly question if I am correct.

@simonbanks5012

6 жыл бұрын

That's good, most people I've talked to don't do that

@soonny002

6 жыл бұрын

Lol. As far as I'm concerned, there are only two groups of youtube commenters. a) the eloquent b) the rest The eloquent group presents their views smartly, coherently, succinctly, and quotes evidence. They are genuinely interested in expressing their views even if they may or may not be interested in changing opinions. This is probably 1% of all the commenters. The 99% of the rest, are just that. "Fuck you", "you're a stupid twat", "STFU", "*penis picture*", etc. These are the ones you have to actively censor out of your view because they are just 'noise'. They are not interested in expressing their views partly because they have none, or they aren't smart enough to have the vocabulary to do so, they just wanted some attention. I must say I've learned some stuff from youtube commenters and I enjoy debating with people. I don't want to "win" any argument, I consider myself a winner just for finding another intellectual who isn't out to berate me with every argument, but merely to convey their views.

“I’m just making up a random quote to look smart here.” -Me, a random youtube enjoyer

@Loctorak

2 жыл бұрын

"You'd be surprised just how common this is" -Me, just now

@ozgurkaratas6450

2 жыл бұрын

I'll be quoting and referring to this brightly humoring line gladly!

@loishansen8003

2 жыл бұрын

This is both very witty and therefore wise. Quotable.

A basic of negotiation is first determine where all you both agree, then address the disagreement. Usually there is much more agreement than disagreement, which helps people feel more “alike” and listen better to each other.

If you want someone to act a certain way, the easiest is to install fear as a motivator. Without fear, why does any action need to be taken? You can always move the goal later, after the fears didnt materialize as predicted.

@dylanbuchman8128

Жыл бұрын

I'm a big advocate of compulsion lmfao

When you see a video about confirmation bias but your biased to believe it so your bias makes you sceptical of your bias of your confirmation bias

@ElCatrinMuerto

6 жыл бұрын

Mikael Nevear you just blew my mind 💥

@tinydog1234

6 жыл бұрын

In other news, the six sheiks' sixth sheep's sick!

@amoniousbt1110

6 жыл бұрын

Skeptical feedback loop

@dddmemaybe

6 жыл бұрын

@ john smith, wah I love that string of words now lol

@dorianmachia3112

5 жыл бұрын

I sweartoGod, I'm stealing this and making this a Facebook status

From hearing this video I was left with the following realization: Conversation is pretty much useless and the only way to get someone to do what you want is to leave out details they don't want to hear.

@harleyb.birdwhisperer

2 жыл бұрын

Currently, there seems to be another way - arrest and a few weeks of confinement following a felony indictment. Jessica Watkins said something about never wanting to hear of the Oath Keepers again and just wanting to make sandwiches and serve drinks in her bar. Sounds convinced to me. That wasn’t the result of a conversation.

@SamsonDerrer

2 жыл бұрын

Maybe the goal shouldn't be to "get someone to do what YOU want"... Is your name an LDS reference?

@brigham2250

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamsonDerrer Funny, I thought someone would eventually think I was a Mormon because of my KZread name. Nope, never was a Mormon or even religious. And I don't live anywhere near where Mormons are known to live.

@brigham2250

2 жыл бұрын

@@SamsonDerrer Funny, I thought someone would eventually think I was a Mormon because of my KZread name. Nope, never was a Mormon or even religious. And I don't live anywhere near where Mormons are known to live.

@SamsonDerrer

2 жыл бұрын

@@brigham2250 I always thought that Brigham is a rad name! its a bit charged now though lol. my name is also religious obviously. im not super religious myself

I find it so interesting that she mentions man made climate change in the first few seconds... Its like this video would be a hidden commercial.

@mikeobrien1559

2 жыл бұрын

Surprised she didn't hit on global cooling and global warming while she was at it.😻

I wonder if she would consider confronting her thoughts on climate change though ;-)

@MrSimondaniel3

2 жыл бұрын

well she believes most scientists. who would be more knowledgeable than the majority of scientists worldwide?

@bilbobeutlin3405

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrSimondaniel3 fox news

Confirmation bias is something that I wish I had known 40 years ago...

@phobiandarkmoon

6 жыл бұрын

You know, the more I learn about confirmation bias the more effects of it I can see

@user-iu1xg6jv6e

6 жыл бұрын

How old are you?

@csdimitris

6 жыл бұрын

54

@funbigly

6 жыл бұрын

Chris, you probably did. It would have just been called "bias" back then.... as in, the tendency to pick and choose what one wants to accept as true. Example: "No point telling them, they're biased". Confirmation Bias is simply a more explored concept for the same phenomenon.

@hellooutthere8956

6 жыл бұрын

Chris Dimitris yeah? Go back and read comment I posted today. Peace.

GREAT commentary! I learned a long time ago that being able to find common ground was essential to building bridges! I also found out that simply acknowledging someone's experience, pain or beliefs is also a bridge-building skill.

@dianedonohue9855

3 жыл бұрын

Yes. You reminded me of a great saying. People don't care how much you know; they want to know how much you care. 👍

@jasondashney

3 жыл бұрын

Spot on. If you truly want to change someone's perspective, you absolutely always have to start with the common ground you share. The bonus is that sometimes starting at this point will help you realize that it was actually you that was incorrect the whole time.

@eeurr1306

8 ай бұрын

I already had alot of respect for bridge architects before, but after this comment Im just furious they dont get paid even more.

My take based on your presentation--when the scientists mislead the subject, the subject uses critical reasoning.

@pf100andahalf

2 жыл бұрын

"the subject uses critical reasoning" usually with insufficient data.

I remember this from an education course to help be more efficient at teaching concepts and knowledge when prior knowledge or concepts someone had was causing interference in learning. Honestly important for things outside of debate. We used this to make a mock lesson plan for teaching multiplying and dividing fractions. Really interesting to think about, but oddly something easy to forget.

I twisted the information in this video to make it conform to what I already believed. In the end I learned nothing.

This was very insightful. I often wonder what it takes to convince someone of something. I like to say that I am more interested in finding truth than I am in confirming my biases, yet I must admit that despite this I am often very resistant to information that does not confirm what I already believe and I must work to control that impulse. How much more so, then, must people who have not consciously decided to pursue truth at the expense of previously held beliefs!

@tarajoyce3598

Жыл бұрын

What seem to be your best methods? I know when; I'm simply nodding my head on a multi faceted subject (pretty much everything) I need further education. Had a fabulous deep dive on AI. I can feel all warm and fuzzy knowing that no one knows. Understanding, within my ability to do so, each "camp's" reasoning makes me feel my opinion is at least reasonable. Okay...it also let's me laugh and make up fabulously wild suppositions always prefaced with I'm totally making this up.

@kenkaplan3654

Жыл бұрын

Opinions will never change beliefs. Events do.

@eeurr1306

8 ай бұрын

The best way to convince somebody is to act like you despise your own opinion.

There are certain types of belief that are immune to logic, while others aren't. Belief in the form of convictions is not immune to logic, belief in the form of insight, or to paraphrase secret knowledge, is indeed immune to logic quite simply because you'd need to first incorporate the "secret sauce" that is giving rise to the belief and extricate it from within. The true question is "would you want to do it if given the chance?". A wrong belief can be a constitutional pillar of a person's identity, sanity and emotional regulation. We have a limited time on this Earth and removing the supposedly incorrect belief then puts the person in front of needing to reconstruct core aspects of their persona while in the meantime losing vital aspects of well-being like retaining sanity, proper emotional regulation and even a sense of purpose. It is hubris, even while holding the truth, that makes us want to spread it like a virus, and it is not altruistic but egotistical to share it in such a forceful manner. As a matter of fact it is much safer for a human being to stop believing the truth to believe a lie than the opposite because the construction that relied on that piece, being true, will be more stable comparatively than the construction predicated on the lie. In other words, when you come along and convince someone of the truth you owe them, at the very least, your time and dedication until their connected beliefs are properly reconstructed. Those who throw truths like bombs, breaking down houses and letting the people there suffer the elements as they go on to the next house with a shaky pillar to destroy may be spreading truth but are doing bad deeds in the process. When you give someone the truth and they believe you, you should take up the cross of their interwoven lies and carry it to the bitter end. Otherwise you giving the truth to someone is like breaking the arm of a man on the street because he broke it as a child and it did not heal quite right and then moving on, you haven't fixed his arm, you have just broken it again. His body may have not done a perfect job in its development due to the injury but it did its best and it did heal it well enough to work, which he now cannot do because you broke it again ruthlessly. In other words, having the truth doesn't give you a right to force it upon the beliefs of others, even if plainly false. It is wrong, it's devoid of pity, it is evil. Hold your tongue, listen, change their perspective so that their lies become truth, every lie is true once put in the proper system, you shouldn't falsify their beliefs to make room for yours, you should qualify the epistemological structure within which they hold true so that now in a new structure there is room for your truth as well and you both end up richer as a result, aka with more truth than you came in. It is a lengthy and frustrating process, one in which both people must collaborate throughout, nevertheless it is good and proper. Very few are the truths worth spreading regardless, the first are emergent truths, truths which are true everywhere they are not openly postulated as false. The second are truth of emergency, because those truths are urgent to establish. The findings in the video simply underline how our subconscious is well aware of the dangers hiding behind accepting that something upon which we predicate our functioning is false to replace it with something true. Twisting data, ignoring conflicts and capitalizing on agreements are just coping mechanisms we have been enacting since children to maintain ourselves operative in the face of having built so much on a possible lie. It is common sense to not use a bazooka to kill a cockroach in your house not because the bazooka wouldn't do a good job at killing it but because it is implied that the collateral damage to the house would be either not worth it or unnecessary. Our subconscious though is still craving to believe that which it recognizes as true, it just needs time and help to find a reasonable interpretation for the existing beliefs after incorporating the new truth so that it can maintain its natural functioning even afterwards without being faced with what it legitimately perceives as unnecessary dangers.

I once read that in Zimbabwe they had big trouble with making people accept modern medicine, they rather went to the shaman even when consequences were tragic. People always found ways to rationalize away the consequence of their refusal to accept medical care. Medics in Zimbabwe simply needed a new scheme of rationalizing medical treatment and they found one. Instead of making shamans their opponents they allied with them. "This pill/operation/etc. will make the disease go away for now. But it could well come back if You don't please the spirits. So coming out of the medic office/hospital You should go to the shaman to get his potions to complete the therapy." Conversely, train shamans to detect cases more serious than incantations and herbs could handle. "I can drive away the evil spirits making You ill. But now that they've detected that You're susceptible, they will most probably come back to try mischief again. You should see the doctor and then come back to me, then I can better make them stay away."

Honestly I come away from this just distressed at people's inability to change their minds or take in new and opposing data. This should be our biggest focus, we should be teaching ourselves constantly how to listen to opposing information and re-evaluate our positions.

@OnceSomeFunATime

Жыл бұрын

Human nature is against humanity

@pauldamse253

Жыл бұрын

I am distressed that your comment has 1/20th the likes of cringe quotes when you are actually hitting the nail straight on the head

@woutertron

Жыл бұрын

Changing one's mind, admitting you were wrong, admitting you've been fooled, etc., is incredibly painful. It causes a thing called cognitive dissonance: the discomfort of holding two ideas in your head that cannot possibly both be true. Human brains are designed to hate and avoid that feeling. I'm not sure you can teach them to do the opposite.

@jerrymiller9039

Жыл бұрын

the leftist running schools want to censor anyone with a different opinion so they don't want people to think for themselves

@JosephWValinor

Жыл бұрын

@@woutertron I’m not so sure. I grew up with an awareness of my own cognitive dissonance. Or at least a habit of deliberately trying to recognize them. Maybe that helps? I’m quite comfortable with some of my cognitive dissonances.

This is actually consistent with the evolutionary processes that led to the development of reason. Check out "The Enigma of Reason" - Dan Sperber and Hugo Mercier. According to them, the purpose of reason is not to find the truth, but rather to convince, others and oneself.

@x16881

3 жыл бұрын

"The Enigma of Reason" is probably the best (but quite difficult...) read about the "Confirmation Bias" topic. But on chapter 15 - "The Bright Side of Reason" they explain how, through argumentation in a group of people with different very view points, the "dark side" of reason, among it, confirmation bias, can be overcome...

@dominikfrohlich6253

3 жыл бұрын

This is a very good point! In our inner self we want to be right, we want to be "good". Therefore we use our reasoning to convince ourselves and others that we are right. It's always about self-consistency. You want to be at equilibrium with yourself and dissenting new information disturbs that. It takes effort and work to adjust your opinions and behavior to integrate the new information into your inner self and be balanced again. Because it is very easy to dismiss climate change, seemingly without (immediate) consequence, we tend to choose that as it is cheaper than changing our way of life.

@ARichardP

3 жыл бұрын

We usually start from a set of premises which are arbitrarily cut from our tapestry of life experience and which are informed by all kinds of more primitive limbic tendencies and then we reason from them like they were true and like we’ve come up with a further truth. But, yesit’s about convincing more than about truth. Mark Twain said, “Tell the truth and you’ll be alone.” So, there’s not so much incentive to tell the truth. We are social creatures. Makes sense we would relegate truth telling to where it’s safer, such as in plays and writing and music.

@jasondashney

3 жыл бұрын

Usually but not always. Some people like myself are obsessed with objectivity. My aim really, honestly, truly is to find the truth. My ego is built on being correct, not "right". If the evidence changes, or I realize I thought about the evidence wrong, I'll change my mind on the spot. I know I'm severely in the minority though.

@crhu319

3 жыл бұрын

Correct. Finding experimentally verifiable laws was a side effect of processes that were originally useful only to form a wider consensus.

"There are four lights" - Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the USS Enterprise

I have a couple of hypotheses related to this. The first is that people resist data that run contrary to their opinions because this is perceived as an attack on them; they identify with their opinions and their worldview as part of themselves, and react accordingly. Also, I think this is because sometimes an attack on their opinions IS an attack on them, at least in some ways. If brain scans were only done on the people with ideas that run contrary to facts, scientists should also scan the brains of those arguing against them; I hypothesize that THEY perceive the debate as a fight as well. This means that to some degree the debate can constitute an attempt at dominating others even when the facts support their view - in other words, being right doesn’t mean your motives are pure. The desire to dominate is deeply rooted. It might well be that at the emotional level, the desire to win the argument is far stronger than the desire to know the truth - and frankly I think that accords with my life experience, my understanding of human psychology, and my religious-moral beliefs. We have to work very hard to avoid turning debates which we can win or lose, at least if we hope for a chance of (1) convincing others when we are right, or (2) being psychologically capable of admitting error when we are wrong. I think it’s widely accepted that we need to avoid taking things personally so that we CAN admit when we’re wrong and avoid viewing dissent as a personal attack, but it’s much less often recognized that it’s just as incumbent upon those in the right not to take it personally - if we do, then we treat it as an attempt to dominate the other person, which they will resist, and rightly so. It might even be that the more they suspect we’re right, the more they resist because they become even more fearful of losing. This means that the person in the right, by personalizing the argument in an egoistic attempt to dominate the other person, has put them in a position where both options contain some sort of wrong: either (1) assent to the truth while feeling they’ve cravenly submitted to domination, or (2) reject the truth out of spite. And a great deal of the responsibility for this would be on the person in the right, IF they contributed to the personalization of the debate, IF they used the debate as a cheap opportunity to dominate an opponent.

Didn't really explain how to "cut through the confirmation bias."

@partydean17

3 жыл бұрын

Really explained that you can't. We are going around it

@urbantwilight

3 жыл бұрын

Basically, confront the scared sheep with real, frightening consequences.

@jasondashney

3 жыл бұрын

It basically said to not fight the other person's opinion directly, but to use arguments that would support another part of the person's fear (keeping kids safe from measles etc).

@colinellicott9737

3 жыл бұрын

The very last part did show how to cut through: appeal to emotion. Show them the horror of the disease. Then see if they can accept responsibility for allowing their child to suffer that way. It's using an emotional tactic instead of a an intellectual tactic. Tough love.

@jaymag9350

2 жыл бұрын

You got to out crazy the crazies.

_"Do you BELIEVE in climate change"_ is a bad choice of words for that question. Belief should have NOTHING to do with it, at all. A better question would be *_"Do you ACCEPT the science of climate change?"_* The follow-up is _"Why do you deny the science of climate change?"_

@williamtanck1363

5 жыл бұрын

NO!

@MrSpiritchild

5 жыл бұрын

I do accept that climate change exists, but I don't accept it's caused by men, just accelerated by us. The earth is the temperature it is because many years ago this big frappin rock collided with the earth, sending dust and debris into the upper atmosphere for hundreds of years, in effect cooling the planet and sending it into an ice age. We are now at the tail end of this ice age, the earth naturally warming. So we need one of two things.... A big frappin rock, or to figure out some way to block the cosmic rays bombarding our planet, because i really don't think solar panels and wind mills can save us...

@MrSpiritchild

5 жыл бұрын

@Svein Are Karlsen I stand corrected, but not entirely mistaken.

@WJV9

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrSpiritchild If you are willing to listen to an excellent series of videos that explain how/why we know the mankind's burning of fossil fuels is responsible for the current (and future) climate change, then you will understand why most all deniers arguments are false. Watch videos by Potholer: kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z2Z_rqmqdLanmtI.html

@msmith53

3 жыл бұрын

YES!

This is a matter of wisdom more so than intelligence. If one has too much pride one will not find humility. If one has no humility then it becomes extremely difficult to accept and acknowledge one's flaws and mistakes.

The problem is. Neither side wants to listen. They just want to talk. NO ONE LISTENS TO ONE ANOTHER. Civil conversation is a dying art and both sides are losing it.

I find it interesting that this "new" discovery from the data supports what Dale Carnegie wrote about almost a hundred years ago in "How to win friends and influence people": He calls it "getting two 'yes'es before a 'no'". It's also a form of "priming". Also known as manipulation. Someday, hopefully the human species will have matured enough that manipulation isn't a common occurrence.

@frogray7929

2 жыл бұрын

That will not happen any time soon. Most of human progress is focused around questions of how to more fairly produce and distribute resources and power. The better we balance people's resources and power the more manipulation becomes the only reliable way to dominate others and win conflicts. When society advances so much that you can't force people to do things with your power and wealth, powerful people turn to manipulation of human emotions and nature. I think that as human society progresses more, brute force will be replaced by even more manipulation.

@t-timewithartemis4174

2 жыл бұрын

@@frogray7929 sadly, you're probably right; I have cautious optimism for otherwise.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

The top religions of the day make promises that they very well know can never be verified - but where is the common sense? Billions sitting about doing nothing? An idle, useless & pointless existence for eternity? Every time i ask - so what does one DO in Heaven? Can you describe a DAY? JUST ONE DAY? Theists run away The amazing thing is that the media, the educated DO NOT ASK SUCH A QUESTION! The media is always happy to ask questions that religious people are more than happy to answer - will I be happy in Heaven? But of course! you will be soooooo happy, everything will be so wonderful! Amazing and horrifying that billions of highly educated fall for this ponzi-scheme over and over

@noahanderson984

2 жыл бұрын

I hope not, manipulating people is the only way I’ve gotten this far

@juliahello6673

2 жыл бұрын

@FrogRay Most human problems are not caused or solved by redistributing resources. The reason we think they are is because our Paleolithic instincts are focused on preventing someone in the tribe from getting too much power and taking all the deer meat. The reason we can’t solve big problems like climate change is because people aren’t interested in problems unless there’s a powerful oppressive bad guy and a virtuous good guy.

Yes, I frequently find that most people I encounter are much more concerned with defending their presumptions rather than critically interpreting the data and the validity of their inferences as well as other people's inferences. The only times that felt like fruitful argumentation/brainstorming was occurring was typically when the topic at hand was very narrow and not overtly interfering with their values and worldview. In those times, which are fun, it feels more like a collaboration to collectively scrutinize data and efficiently employ rational inferences.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

I keep asking what does one DO in Heaven? Like in what kind of WORK? And why would an allmighty being need any work to be done? I was also threatened with Hell by a Christian - it seems who I am as a person does not matter - so I ask - does that include Children? Babies? babies! old people? Pregnant women? So the after life is like being a Jew in Nazi Germany for billions of Atheists, Hindus and others? set apart based on belief and dumped into gas chambers in hell!

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

@@bspr9062 How do you explain NAZI ideas of hate & division being PROMOTED OPENLY? Hindus, Atheists & Buddhists are told who they are as people does not matter, all "God" cares about is the "right" belief, all these people will be set apart based on their belief and dumped into gas chambers in hell! Women, children, pregnant women, even babies won't be spared! Just like how Jews suffered under the Nazis! And these ideas can be OPENLY PROMOTED! So much for all our "Critical thinking"

@54356776

2 жыл бұрын

The irony of this comment..

“The masses have never thirsted after truth. They turn aside from evidence that is not to their taste, preferring to deify error, if error seduce them. Whoever can supply them with illusions is easily their master; whoever attempts to destroy their illusions is always their victim. An individual in a crowd is a grain of sand amid other grains of sand, which the wind stirs up at will.” Another reason why people don't change their mind based on information? She said smart people manipulate information to conform to THEIR beliefs. But they also manipulate information to conform YOUR beliefs, so that you'll support and vote for what they want you to. People pick up on this, so when you swear you're giving them truthful information, about climate change or whatever, they don't believe you, and quite possibly, legitly, justifiably so.

Denial, minimization, and blame/counter accusation is a natural barrier to critical thinking. The 5 Steps to Critical Thinking: What is critical thinking? In general, critical thinking refers to actively questioning statements rather than blindly accepting them. Critical thinking results in radical free will. 1. The critical thinker is flexible yet maintains an attitude of healthy skepticism. Critical thinkers are open to new information, ideas, and claims. They genuinely consider alternative explanations and possibilities. However, this open-mindedness is tempered by a healthy sense of skepticism (Hyman, 2007). The critical thinker consistently asks, “What evidence supports this claim?” 2. The critical thinker scrutinizes the evidence before drawing conclusions. Critical thinkers strive to weigh all the available evidence before arriving at conclusions. And, in evaluating evidence, critical thinkers distinguish between empirical evidence versus opinions based on feelings or personal experience. 3. The critical thinker can assume other perspectives. Critical thinkers are not imprisoned by their own points of view. Nor are they limited in their capacity to imagine life experiences and perspectives that are fundamentally different from their own. Rather, the critical thinker strives to understand and evaluate issues from many different angles. 4. The critical thinker is aware of biases and assumptions. In evaluating evidence and ideas, critical thinkers strive to identify the biases and assumptions that are inherent in any argument (Riggio & Halpern, 2006). Critical thinkers also try to identify and minimize the influence of their own biases. 5. The critical thinker engages in reflective thinking. Critical thinkers avoid knee-jerk responses. Instead, critical thinkers are reflective. Most complex issues are unlikely to have a simple solution. Therefore, critical thinkers resist the temptation to sidestep complexity by boiling an issue down to an either/or, yes/no kind of proposition. Instead, the critical thinker expects and accepts complexity (Halpern, 2007). Critical thinking is not a single skill, but rather a set of attitudes and thinking skills. As is true with any set of skills, you can get better at these skills with practice. In a nut shell, critical thinking is the active process of minimizing preconceptions and biases while evaluating evidence, determining the conclusions that can be reasonably be drawn from evidence, and considering alternative explanations for research findings or other phenomena. CRITICAL THINKING QUESTIONS >Why might other people want to discourage you from critical thinking? >In what situations is it probably most difficult or challenging for you to exercise critical thinking skills? Why? > What can you do or say to encourage others to use critical thinking in evaluating questionable claims or assertions?

"I'm not interested in facts. I find they tend to cloud my judgement. I prefer to rely on instincts and blind prejudice" (Steward Lee's The Taxi driver argument.)

@tomatojuice984

2 жыл бұрын

Strangely that might work better..

Could also be interpreted as "scaring someone more then they are scared of what they previously believed works"

Oh no, this confirms my thesis that fear is a great motivator. That's why fear mongering feels more prevalent.

@clintonalver2715

Жыл бұрын

But there's nothing wrong with using fear as a motivator if you use it to improve life.

@slappyfun

Жыл бұрын

@@clintonalver2715 fear mongering to get public consent for war with Russia and China are examples of bad and dangerous use of fear as a motivator. But it probably temporarily improves the lives of the heads of military industry.

@The1stDukeDroklar

Жыл бұрын

@@slappyfun Only if that fear is unjustified. Many times people are not educated enough on the facts to fear what they should be in fear of.

The lesson learned is that if you want persuade people to act a certain way, the way to do it is to scare them.

It's hard to tell now if my skepticism towards this lecture stems from my own prior convictions negating the facts presented or are valid arguments aginst some of these facts. I guess now is the time to check my beliefs against other sources...

@smithersandburns

6 жыл бұрын

The "fact" that you are questioning the accuracy of you own current thoughts shows at least some understanding of the subject object distinction which will prevent you from falling into the trap of the dunning kruger effect and being stuck in a world of ignorance through confirmation bias. Your mental toughness to not be in an emotional panic during times of uncertainty is key for your intelligence. So I concur with your thoughts. However I am of course not totally certain about that...

@dianedonohue9855

3 жыл бұрын

I will tell you, what she is saying is absolutely fact because I have tested these theories using different types of communication. Understanding this creates better conversations and relationships. I have had many people tell me that they could not ever discuss politics or religion with a person who opposes their views before. I have people calling me (who do not agree with my views) so they can discuss our differences. Sometimes it's very enjoyable, but other times it's quite a struggle. These techniques are pretty simple to understand but not easy to employ.

@jasondashney

3 жыл бұрын

If you are like me, you bristled against the this talk because she really tips her hat as to which side of the political spectrum she's on in the first few seconds, in a video that has the word "bias" right in the title. I guarantee every one of us would agree that if she votes, she's likely to vote left. In a talk about bias you should never, ever give this away. You should appear 100% neutral. She makes some good points in the talk but like me, you probably didn't like the fact she never once talked about reasonable skepticism stemming from hearing only one side of a debate. You will never get me to 100% buy in to anything at all if you only give me one side.

@waynedurning8717

3 жыл бұрын

@@jasondashney yep.

Average person: "I understand that this happens, but it doesn't apply to me"

The problem with the world is that intelligent people are full of questions, while the stupid ones are full of confidence…..

The best way I have found to win an argument ismto get them to clearly articulate THEIR argument.. not what they have heard, what they themselves have observed or studied. Favorite example is most people thought 1 out of 10 of covid infections resulted in DEATH.. instead of the 0.1 percent number.

"FEELINGS!" "NO, MATH!" "FEELINGS!" ( smashes mathematicians skull in with crowbar) Feelings won.

@brandonhall9959

2 жыл бұрын

Both have their importance, neither need to "win", both are as they are, what people do with politics is what becomes the problem.

@PatrickPease

2 жыл бұрын

feelings won a battle, feelsdude will die and the truth still exist

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

lol Theist: "There is a God" Scientist: "There is no evidence of such a being" Theist: "But, but, but I need to live an eternal life of comfort & ease, like prostitutes/gigolos/leeches/freeloaders live down here. There HAS TO BE a Sugar Daddy in the sky"(smashes the Scientists skull with a crowbar) Theists win

@PatrickPease

2 жыл бұрын

@@ramaraksha01 afterlife does not imply a deity, and visa versa.

@ramaraksha01

2 жыл бұрын

@@PatrickPease No, no Heaven or Hell either - primitive ideas from primitive people sadly being blindly followed by even the best of minds There is no magic Retirement Home in the sky where billions will get to just sit around chatting - an idle, useless & pointless existence for eternity THERE IS ONLY ONE WORLD! THIS ONE! THE ONE GOD MADE FOR US

I have this strange habit of simply ignoring and eliminating from my life, people who don't believe facts.

@gregshock

2 жыл бұрын

Facts, or your facts? Are you sure about the difference?

Both sides of an issue have their "truths". Our "values" allow us to pick and choose which truths we want to believe. TALI SHAROT showed us how scientists/people can put forth only the facts they believe will show their truth and leave out facts that might call into question what is being proposed as the only truth.

Right away, a problem: defining "intelligence"

Never argue with a coffee table.

It's honestly horrible that autism is considered a tragedy and to be avoided at all costs. The people who think that just don't want to deal with people with different needs and minds than their own and either outright reject people with differences or do so indirectly by negligence and baked-in ableism

@petermoore3439

Жыл бұрын

Well, that basically is the reality about anything that involves non-ordinary mental health, hell even for people with different physical needs

@orbismworldbuilding8428

Жыл бұрын

@@petermoore3439 Yeah but it shouldn't be that way, and it is something that can and has been changed before, or atleast, improved.

@petermoore3439

Жыл бұрын

@@orbismworldbuilding8428 yes of course

@dylanbuchman8128

Жыл бұрын

I don't think it's unreasonable for people not to want that for their children or for anyone's children. Autistics have demonstrated some incredible gifts that may come along with their condition, but I imagine few people would feel these qualities or heightened abilities could outweigh the various struggles the person could face or have exacerbated as a result of their idiosyncrasies--im sure it's different for everyone, but parents don't know how the condition will affect their ability to understand and communicate with other people, take care of themselves, or succeed in school or work, and those are all important to their overall welfare. Parents just don't want the people they raise to have unnecessary roadblocks to the things they want and what they'll need, and they know autism would be likely to present someone with some serious challenges and impediments

My dad always do THIS EXACTLY SAME FACE as the thumbnail whenever a show him some data about something him disagrees... So you got mt humbs up even before I play

the ending point: not kids health, but parents bigger fear was overruling previous anxiety concerning autism. beat one fear with an other? well... classics... we say it is not ethical, because it is not rational thought and informed decision-making. but emotional response. and we are right it is not ethical. and it works wonder.

It's kind of humorous how she's talking about confirmation bias while being biased.

@BluesBrogio

2 жыл бұрын

Biased by science?

@LazyRare

2 жыл бұрын

Strong bias from you

@5minutecalms

2 жыл бұрын

It's just a scientific explanation. Where's the bias lol

@MrKoutsuko

2 жыл бұрын

"The Science", the all mighty entity whom everyone quotes but very rarely open a scientific paper. Climate change is so prone to bias that everyone who agrees with it have no doubts, but those who have doubts might disagree. Donner Kruger might say something about this strange situation. The thing is, complex multi-factor issues will never have a simple answer and often, its more about the wrong question than the wrong answer. Only a few things are possible to have a yes/no interaction, the more knowloge you get, the more inclined you are to say yes AND no, that deppends, and the more open you are to genuinely understand other points of view and the mroe you empathize with opposing views. Always take a time to be the devil's advocate and you might find that you were wrong all along or that you were right, but this is also true and shouldn't be ignored. That's why facts don't win fights, only ideologs care about "winning a fight", facts exists only for those who want to gain knowloge and all full aware that oposing views are alse both right AND wrong, and they only keep fighting because they refuse to see that and aknowloge it.

@woolfie8766

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrKoutsuko maybe not simple solutions, but the answers are still simple. Yes, we have significant man made climate change, no vaccines don’t cause autism. Just because the solution to the problem is complex doesn’t make the answer to the initial question complicated

"Facts don't win fights" can confirm. My wife never argues with facts and yet she always wins arguments.

@gorillaguerillaDK

6 жыл бұрын

+Harry Hhhhjtfhn And so do men - so if we follow your line of reason, no one should be allowed to vote!

@paulkruse9004

5 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂 thanks for lightening the mood on a serious subject. Funny to a guy that has been married for almost 30 years

@bornvillain6819

5 жыл бұрын

@K A He clearly specified "my wife" and not "women" you dimwitted sjw's!

@1am636

5 жыл бұрын

@@bornvillain6819 dont be so extreme and blindly assume someone is an sjw.

The irony of using certain points of data to fit an idea and uphold confirmation bias when the study cited, or at least the only one I could find that involved Kahan, analytical mathematics, and gun control was about reading data tables, skin cream, conceal and carry, and political beliefs. At least the one thing my psychology degree taught me was to ask, "What's the p value?" 😆 Obligatory quote: My favorite philosophical tenet is that people will agree with you only if they already agree with you. You can't change people's minds. --Frank Zappa

@eeurr1306

8 ай бұрын

I thought the whole comment was a quote because I saw no " " anywhere --Me

The overwhelming glut of varied information available to us these days prevents an accurate understanding. Add to that our understanding that statistics can be manipulated, just like research studies. Everybody claims that the facts are overwhelmingly on their side. People are left to their own devices. So I suggested what they have is not a bias as much as it is the best that they can simply come up with, being flooded with supposed "truth" from all directions.

You dont expect old, uneducated, eccentric people to be able to read data

@QTEPYE

6 жыл бұрын

Our dear president, donald j. trump, likes his briefings giving only with pictures, videos and charts, and he will often interrupt the meetings with questions and unrelated asides - i.e., like his superior win in the 2016 elections:)

@marblegrimes7010

6 жыл бұрын

Actually, I thought it was his staff who like that because it's the only way to get info across to him

@jessicacole8404

6 жыл бұрын

I'm eccentric but I read data

@dontaylor7315

5 жыл бұрын

@@jessicacole8404 I'm old but I seek out data and alter my beliefs accordingly too.

When you have the facts you don't argue or fight with anyone.Thats what the facts do,they eliminate all stupid debates.

by far the most in important subject in school is maths. numbers never lie to you, if you have learned to read them and to put them in relation. the problem starts with what we tell our children what math is good for. the explanations of generations of parents and even the books in school have trivialized maths and therefore most of us are blind and frightened.

you shouldnt add annotations while she is explaining the "lesson". start it @ 5:35

@NoaManWORKOUT

6 жыл бұрын

oh u're here too :o

@PsychokoreUndergroundRap

6 жыл бұрын

Noa Man WORKOUT yes sir.. watched yesterday a few things about the flat earth and reptilians on earth as well

@Scrapingthebottom

6 жыл бұрын

I agree

@mahmoudassyass186

6 жыл бұрын

I Agree !

@Oniwabanhammer

6 жыл бұрын

And it sums up to, "it's easier to manipulate people through fear than actually convincing them">