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@stopstickers

5 жыл бұрын

Are these designed for trucks that do not already have drive modes? Mine already has normal, eco, sport, etc.

@randomguyfromtexas1185

3 жыл бұрын

@@stopstickers my understanding is you can put them on trucks with drives modes as well, it just enhances the throttle response to the vehicle no matter the drive mode you’re in.

Not a Ford guy....Cummins...however..came across this video while searching throttle booster reviews....I rarely comment on any videos,but this video is the best I've ever seen in terms of not only show causing a product,but also demonstrating it in real time with actual science...thank you!...WELL DONE!

@americantrucks

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for all the love, Forrest! We really appreciate it! -Zach

Awesome test

Great episode... Thank you!

Never heard of one of these, I learned something new today. Very cool stuff!

I bought the Speedform from you guys a couple of months ago for my FX4! There is ZERO lag when stepping on the gas now! I love it!

@americantrucks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear you're happy with the purchase, Justin! Thanks for watching! -Zach

Very enlightening experiment. Logical as well seeing as this is not a performance enhancing device. Good job!👌

Great explanation mate... This actually shows how they give improved response time.. Have left reference to this video in other places so others can see why they make a difference... Well done.

@jmackinjersey1

2 жыл бұрын

Have you seen this video yet?... kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJWbmq-jlcTVZdY.html

I like watching your videos. Always seem to learn something different and neat

@americantrucks

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks, Josh! We appreciate the love! -Zach

I recently purchased the Axial SpeedForm Series Throttle Controller for my 2022 F-150 Lariat and boy oh boy the throttle difference is amazing. I thought the regular sport mode in my truck was impressive, but P2-9 blows my sport mode out of the water. P3-9 (Racing mode) is neck snapping all out fun.

Interesting, your point about throttle "lag" is a valid one. I've experienced this on my 1st year tbw Harley motorcycle & can attest to the difference a similar throttle management device makes.They are basically plug 'n play and worth the expense though as you say, no substitute for a tuner.

Why don't you guys have more subscribers? Most informative videos I can find on getting my F-150 the parts I want. (From y'alls site of course) Keep up the awesome work, it's appreciated.

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

We're trying! We're really glad to help! -Zach

@Kamal_AL-Hinai

3 жыл бұрын

It is indeed appreciated! They should advertise this channel in the sports channel and vice versa.

Great video!

@americantrucks

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! -Zach

Great video✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾

@americantrucks

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! -Justin

Good stuff👍🏻

@americantrucks

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed watching! Thank you! -Zach

Throttle monster - best one

I added an Amp'd Throttle Booster w/ Switch to my 2018 F150 with 5.0L. Totally amazed by the difference in performance. No issues with over 3000 miles on the installed throttle booster. Well worth the money!

@JuanMartinez-ic9cv

2 жыл бұрын

Dude just port your throttle body

I seen a lot of this videos and I can tell you are most accurate what eve seen before by the way 5 or 10° is better than nothing

Great video! What suspension and wheel and tire setup is on the f150 in the background?

Can you do a video using the Pedal Commander?

I Have a JMS ON MY 2004 F-150. IT REALLY BRINGS THE TRUCK TO LIFE! ITS CALLED THROTTLE BY WIRE

@americantrucks

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! -Zach

Can you combine pedal/power commander and a tune? Have them both?

what rims are those? looks nice

SprintBooster SBFO1023S I've been using it since 2012 for my 2012 raptor

Hi, very informative, advanced, and complete information regarding the throttle controller, thank you, but I have a question I hope the admin or American Trucks Ford can answer regarding safety issue, My question is what if the throttle controller's device suddenly fails? or the little wire cut? Do we still have the control of gas pedal? or it will be back to normal mode? Thank you for hoping American Trucks can enlighten us. thank you again !

I’d like to see the difference in modes on the sct10 with the drive modes on the trans. Like sport mode on the shifter with track on the throttle.

With the 2021 eco, sports, valet settings, do these make much difference now?

Great except you need to test all four and tell us which is the best value.

Does the voltage directly correlate to just throttle angle or the speed at which the throttle opens?

People who like the pedal commander or any of the other clones have no idea how a throttle by wire system works. When you press down on the gas pedal your ecu sees the signal then sends your throttle body instructions on how far to open. The pedal commander attaches to the gas pedal and alters the signal that goes from the gas pedal to the ecu. The problem people are trying to fix with the device is the so called lag they feel when they press their gas pedal down and when the car actually starts moving. For some reason people think that the signal going from the gas pedal takes a long time to travel to the ecu and that is why they have a delay. The signal actually reaches the ecu instantly and the signal going from the ecu to the throttle body is instant as well. So why is there a delay? Because the automotive makers built it into the software. Its called torque management. If you slam your foot down to the floor what happens is the ecu says, nope, and gradually opens the throttle body not giving it full power right away because it doesnt want you to spin the tires and lose control of the car. Pretty much every modern car does this. So what does the pedal commander do? It lies to the ecu as to how far youre pressing the gas pedal. So if you press it 30 percent the ecu may see 50. So by the time youre at 70 to 80 to 90 percent the ecu is seeing 100 percent full throttle making it feel like the car is accelerating faster. The problem with this is that now the pedal resolution has been greatly lowered making it more light switch like and the 1 to 1 throttle pedal to output ratio has been thrown out which makes it feel less like the old throttle by cable systems which were 1 to 1 ratios. No matter what setting you have on the pedal commander the ecu will still slow down the rate at which your throttle opens since this product installs before the ecu signal and not after and torque management is still there. My opinion is that this product and all its clones are snake oil. These companies prey on people who dont understand how a modern throttle by wire system works. It doesnt get rid of any lag because there is none to get rid of. It will do nothing to how fast your car accelerates to sixty. Dont waste your money on this huge rip off. To get rid of that delay you have to get a tune which will remove torque management. Also, a tune can alter your throttle to output ratio to whatever your want making the pedal commander totally useless. Yes if you have both a tune and a pedal commander at the same time you have literally just flushed 300 bucks down the drain. This pedal commander is worth 30 bucks at most. My RC radio controller can do this exact same thing except I get to totally customize what my throttle does with a visual graph and lcd display plus I have atleast 20 more functions and its wireless all for 40 bucks. So please dont waste your money on this garbage product.

@Lcr34

5 жыл бұрын

I cant give you enough likes 🤗

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

Soooooo I take it you won't be buying one? lol And you basically typed up a dissertation to reiterate the entire message of the video, theses devices manipulate voltage to give the truck a different feel- that's it. But thanks for the view! -Justin

@disabledvet6931

5 жыл бұрын

Key word does not void warranty!!!

@sergeysmelnik

5 жыл бұрын

@@americantrucks Hey Justin. It was just a copy and paste I did from another video. You are 100 percent correct in your video here. It's just that after reading some comments here some people think there is still something hidden this product does that you didnt mention. Your video is proof that all this product does is change the pedal signal relative to where it actually is. Nothing more.

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

@@sergeysmelnik I hear ya and even though I was a bit snarky with my response, you're not wrong (maybe with the exception of the snake oil part because that implies the device nothing at all which we've clearly proven otherwise) And even though they might not be for everyone, some truck owners like the feeling these devices deliver without having to go about tuning their truck. I say good for them! Either way, thanks for getting involved in the discussion and for giving your educated feedback on the matter. -Justin

What are these voltages compared to the built in modes on the shifter? That will show q more truer test.

I remember these being big in the early mid 2000's as one of the few mods you could put on an Acura CL. They were more of a joke, at the time as they didnt make too much of a difference.. Have they really become legit products nowadays to use along with a piggyback or stand-alone ecu?

Awesome video, but would REALLY loved to have seen if sport mode in the truck changes this. I know it changes the shift pattern to be more aggressive, but does it make the throttle more sensitive? I feel that it does, but Id love to see the numbers

@joreal3759

11 ай бұрын

yeah it does

Can Forscan software do the same buy finding the codes language?

So 180 degrees is closed throttle body and 90 degrees is full open except the Ford stops at 82 degrees? My 2.7 is terrible so which aftermarket throttle body opens all the way or flows best?

My question is will the pedal Commander disable my fuel management system and if it can at what setting would it do that to where it would not go down to four cylinders

So basically all these do, is the same/similar thing as driving modes on a Mustang. They make the truck "Feel" faster by opening up the throttle more, with less pressure on the gas pedal, but at WOT, its still the same regardless. Having a "touchy" throttle will make it "feel" more fun, but without actually making your truck faster. The stock throttle isn't very touchy at all, (pretty much have to floor it to actually make the truck move) and I suppose that is what makes these alluring. Plus if you have a powertrain warranty, this won't void anything like a tune will. A tune is a much better option, but not if you want that warranty in case if something blows up... The dealer will blame a tune for pretty much any major engine failure because the tune can push the engine passed its "normal" operating parameters.

Two things my F150 does that really pisses me off in this regard is resets the "mode" of driving back to normal each time I turn it off, and Sport mode keeps the transmission in an unnecessarily low gear after accelerating for a while. Do all these devices keep their setting after you power down the vehicle? And if you're holding constant throttle do they let the transmission upshift to lower RPM?

Do you guys have one of these for GMC ‘6.2

What about the transient response? i.e. the "instantaneousness"

I have one of these installed on my 18 f150 2.7 and it makes a HUGE difference. No turbo lag 😂

@123789timothy

5 жыл бұрын

Berto Lazer What... how does changing your throttle profile impact how much turbo lag your truck has when they are 2 separate things?

@NicholasCox85

4 жыл бұрын

Coz placebo!

I see a lot of you want to see how much the throttle changes at a certain angle. The thing is this device only affects the voltage. The voltage only changes how much the throttle opens not how fast it opens from 0. The acceleration of the throttle opening would be based on how fast it can read the voltage being provided. Nothing to do with the actual voltage amount itself.

@WildcatWarrior15

2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills about this throttle response issue. These throttle pedal voltage modifiers do nothing different than the different drive modes already in the F-150. They don't change throttle response, they change throttle sensitivity. What I have an issue with is the time it takes the signal to actually reach the throttle body. With a throttle cable, the throttle blade is immediately responsive to the pedal input since they are mechanically linked. With the F-150, there is almost a half second delay from when you go WOT to when the throttle body actually opens.

They work..I’ve got PC but I’ve heard other people had other issues with check engine light coming out.. but I don’t think it actually does .. I think coincidence

These don't affect cruise control right?

Hey, Justin, awesome video as usual. I just got my 2017 F150, would you recommend one of these?

@americantrucks

4 жыл бұрын

Hey Nick- congrats on the new ride! And that is totally up to you- if you feel like there is a 'delay' or if the pedal feels a little numb you could always try one out or go with a tune. -Justin

@corpse74

4 жыл бұрын

AmericanTrucks Ford awesome! ill definitely be looking into it then! thanks for the reply!

Interesting video question though if you get a tuner will your tuner adjust this response as well?

@americantrucks

3 жыл бұрын

An aftermarket tune will increase throttle sensitivity but its not something you can alter on the fly like you can with these devices. -Justin

So running vallet would be more of a gas saver than running eco...?

What lift kit and tires of blue Truck in video?

@matthewhartup941

5 жыл бұрын

I like those tires. Nitto TG G2s maybe

I want to know what the voltage and degrees when the truck is in the factory SPORT, Eco and Tow Modes.

@jasoncurrington7793

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, me too. Informative video but need that info for a thorough review.

@alanthesalamander2327

5 жыл бұрын

J.C. Brown my guess is that it would defeat the point of spending money on this device

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

Valid question but unfortunately the goal of this video was to highlight the functionality behind these devices and nothing else. -Justin

@jorgeybarra1433

4 жыл бұрын

Justin, when in sport mode does this device add anything.

Besides knowing the actual numbers, like voltage, what is the difference between a device like this and a drive mode?

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

Drive modes are like a 'factory tune' where more than just throttle sensitivity is changed. For instance 'Sport' mode increases throttle response but also things like shift points and shift firmness so there is more going on than what a throttle device is going to offer. I hope this makes sense! -Justin

Wish my 2018 f150 had the cable setup. They made them to complicated

@JohnDiMartino

5 жыл бұрын

Driver 1 they had too , most have been drive by wire for 15 years or more. My 01 GMC 8.1 is drive by wire ... as is my 17 F150

I would like to see the actual blade of the throttle body opening and found a way to time the speed of how quickly it reacts to the different voltages or “modes”

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

Can you eyeball a difference of 1 or 2 degrees, cause I sure as heck can't lol. -Justin

@broncobros2022

5 жыл бұрын

Hey Justin, big fan of the channel. I couldn’t see the difference in a couple degrees either but what I mean Is the actual speed the higher voltage opens the throttle blade. I bet if you watched the blade open stock and again at the highest setting you could actually see a speed difference in how quickly it opens. Not with your slow speed actuator your using but a quick right foot to to the floor at both settings would prove (or disprove) the theory. Keep up the great work!

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

@@broncobros2022 Thanks Andy- I along with the rest of the video team here at ATFord appreciate the support. In regards to your point, it was something we considered doing but honestly it would've been hard to show clearly so therefore we nixed it. And as I pointed out in a separate response this is mainly a 'voltage' event as opposed to a 'speed' event as we showed with our testing. The amount the throttle opens given the same amount of input really is whats responsible for the feeling of the 'lag' going away. Hope this clears things up a bit more and again thanks for the kind words on the channel, its certainly appreciated! -Justin

@NicholasCox85

4 жыл бұрын

No, it's the same as stock as the ecu will limit tb opening.

Also does the device stay at the same setting while the truck is turned on and off or does it reset to a default every start up?

@americantrucks

3 жыл бұрын

It depends on the device. -Justin

These DO have the risk of throwing CEL and other error codes. Proceed with caution.

So does this stack with the different drive modes the truck already comes with? Or is this for trucks that don’t have a built in Normal, Sport, Eco mode etc?

@jwsvan77

5 жыл бұрын

Well just read this customer review on the AT website....” I didn't notice a huge improvement over sport mode. When not in sport mode its responsive...like if I was in sport mode...so I feel like I wasted my money. If your truck isn't equipped with a Sport Mode then you will appreciate this mod, otherwise its marginally worth it.” ....I guess there’s my answer lol

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

You can use this on any truck with the built in 'drive modes'. -Justin

What's the difference between my eco mode and sport mode already have on the truck with my 3.5 EcoBoost

Will the extra voltage harm the pcm?

@americantrucks

Жыл бұрын

This shouldn't do any harm to the PCM!

So, this thing is really only good for the Valet mode.

Should of set them on timers for the first run to see how fast it took to reach a goal angle.

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

Its not so much of a 'timed' event as opposed to a 'voltage' event- which we were able to show clearly in the video. -Justin

@broncobros2022

5 жыл бұрын

I get it but if you punched the throttle quickly like in a real driving situation I’m sure the higher voltage is not only opening the blade farther but also fast making the truck feel much more responsive

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

@@broncobros2022 I just responded to your original response but I also wanted to chime in here and say the real struggle with what you are suggesting is capturing that 'punching' it method in a controlled and repeatable way. On top of that 'punching' it to us gearheads is pretty instantaneous right? So therefore the amount it would take for that throttle to open fully given the aggressive motion of flooring it would be hundreds if not thousandths of a second- and that is why that part of the test would be extremely difficult to capture and present. -Justin

excellent explanation..... but..... Who really need this device??? Maybe the valet mode is interesting, but Mykey is there!

@americantrucks

4 жыл бұрын

Judging by the number of positive reviews on different devices here on the site, I would say a lot of owners enjoy having a throttle device. My guess is guys/gals out there who want more throttle response but don't want to commit to a full blown tune. -Justin

@omarleus

4 жыл бұрын

@@americantrucks dear Justin thats cool. I do like the gas pedal simulation, thanks for ur reply

Could I run this with my 93 octane tune?

@tabcobra

3 жыл бұрын

Makes no difference what fuel you use.

What’s up with the side mirror

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

Nothing? We aim them in a way as to not show lights, reflections, etc- so that's why it might look funny. -Justin

Maybe I missed a point in the video, but I did not get any information about the actual reason to see it: What about the lag? Changing the throttle curve has nothing to do with lag (as you can move your accelerator faster with your own foot).

@americantrucks

4 жыл бұрын

I think you did miss the point. The perceived 'lag' is the fact that when you push your foot down a 1/4 of the way and it feels like very little to nothing happens. This changes that by ramping voltage sooner causing the throttle to open more given the same input, thus changing the perception of said 'lag'. -Justin

Can't go wrong with a Pedal Commander

@WarriorOfEden3033

Жыл бұрын

Sprint Booster is the only throttle controller to get an award from SEMA for street performance. Not saying anything against Pedal Commander

I Own a 2012 F-150 Lariet FX4 6.2 Ford Powered V8! 6.5 bed! 3:73 gear ratio! 6 speed automatic! 4WD! Ingot Silver paint! Platinum factory 2012 F-150! Bully Dog GT Platinum Tuner S&B Cold air intake! Pedal command! 3 inch Exhaust system! Super 44 flowmaster! resonator delete! 5 inch exhaust tip! Max towing 11,300 pounds!

If I took 2 or more of them and pluged them into each other and the truck would it be even better then one? Asking for a friend. :)

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

Why stop at 2? I say go with at least 4! -Justin

I have one. On a Ford Raptor. Don't call it a gimmick or fake. Huge difference from with to without. You can't duplicate what it does by just pressing the gas pedal harder. It does something. No doubt. I loved it at first. That being said, I've had it on for 2 years. I started noticing odd shifting, especially down shifting, or not shifting, at odd times. Like to the point I thought something was f*cked up. I took the Pedal Commander off, and my problems are gone. I don't go by what people "say" ---- I go by what I actually experience, and that is what I've experienced. Did it start to malfunction? Cause havoc with ECU even though it's "not supposed to"? No idea. But as of now, I'm glad it's off.

Just wanna get everyone's opinion, is this good product?

@brettwhitla4425

3 жыл бұрын

Check out IDRIVE EVC, They seem to be one of the best quality ones out there.

I was really hoping you'd test the improvement (or lack thereof) in actual lag. I'm very skeptical that these devices reduce actual lag and looking for a proper test of this. My guess is that they just make the vehicle FEEL less laggy with a hockey stick/boomerang response curve....which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but doesn't really match the claims they make or the price they're asking for these things. I'm not sure how it'd be possible to decrease ACTUAL lag time, since the pedal still has to communicate with the ECM/ECU/PCM/whatever. There's no getting around that AFAIK, so any lag introduced in this communication will still be present. If there were a way to bypass the ECU/ECM and use a snappier data bus to control the throttle, then I'd totally get it....but I just don't see how it's possible without getting rid of that bottleneck, which none of these devices do.

Not pushing pedal fast enough. These are purchased to eliminate lag. Pushing it that slow you would never feel the lag to begin be with

I know this is an older video, but here's a great video that explains a lot about these modulators and which ones work and which ones are Not Safe... kzread.info/dash/bejne/pJWbmq-jlcTVZdY.html

can you tune the 5.0 v8?

@americantrucks

4 жыл бұрын

You absolutely can! Check out some of the tuners that we offer at the following link! -Zach www.americantrucks.com/f150-tuners-2015.html

It's essentially the same thing as pushing the gas pedal further. Remember, your feet respond faster than your vehicle's powertrain, so a device like this will not do anything you couldn't do yourself with your feet. Waste of money.

Don't really understand why anyone would waste the money on just making the throttle response more sensitive. To each their own. Why not just put the money into a tune and gain HP, Torque and "Throttle Response". Yeah, it costs more, however, you gain so much more then just making it feel faster without gaining squat. If you want added throttle response, just put it in sport mode. My ecoboost with sport mode activated is about all the throttle response gain that I like. anymore then that just seems like overkill. Just my 2 cents. Have a Great Day People!!

@faultlinegravel

5 жыл бұрын

When you step on the gas from a stop. the truck has a delay. Thats what these things fix. This one that hes advertising does adjust the sensitivity for what ever reason, witch i agree is pointless.

@alanthesalamander2327

5 жыл бұрын

JakeRootMTB really it can change the lag? How is that? If it’s a wired connection, how could you increase the speed of the electrical signal?

@faultlinegravel

5 жыл бұрын

@@alanthesalamander2327 thats what they do, im not sure how.

@broncobros2022

5 жыл бұрын

It doesn’t speed up the electric signal it increases the voltage to the throttle body therefore opening the blade quicker

@justinbailey8021

5 жыл бұрын

@@broncobros2022 exactly...

It’s a knockoff of the sprint booster

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lol pretty rusty for a new truck at 3:54

@americantrucks

4 жыл бұрын

Gotta love road salt. 😅 -Zach

@rotaryenginepete

4 жыл бұрын

@@americantrucks how did road salt get it to rust inside under the dash?

They are designed to take anywhere from $750, to $1,250, out of your pocket. Your Bible says... Anything that is going to last, is rooted in the truth. And the truth is, the best throttle response ever, comes from the most direct path from the pedal to the throttle. And that would be a cable. But if your throttle cable breaks... That's an easy fix. No need to bring it to the dealer at $120 an hour effective labor rate... Just so they can tell you... They don't know what the problem is. Or... That's the way we do things now ... deal with it. And that is precisely the thinking that has led them to a criminal fraud investigation. And did I happen to mention that, your warranty on a $70,000 pickup truck, is VOID, if you install one of those controllers? Do they mention that in their advertising? Do they tell you that just installing this controller, instantly turns your vehicle into junk? No. Because they have Investments that they have made into these companies. And these companies guaranteed return on these Investments. And in order to get a return on these Investments... They don't care who they screw. Lest not we forget... Actual throttle cables... Aren't made in Silicon Valley. They were made in the same sweatshops... In China... that these throttle controllers are made in. By virtually, the same people. All of the settings on your computer, are already designed for Optimal Performance. Going in there, and making adjustments yourself, is getting you that much closer to, computerized, failure.

@johnwilson1784

4 жыл бұрын

Reel Tech GoBlowUrMum

@jefflancaster9221

2 жыл бұрын

wow this will take less words...you are a moron. Blah blah blah

Maybe Banks Peddle Monster was not available at the time of this video, if that's the case you are forgiven.

2nd

It’s a waste of money.. you can’t wait 1.3 seconds to get moving?

@brettwhitla4425

3 жыл бұрын

Some cars can take almost 3 seconds to respond.. When moving into traffic 3 seconds can seem like a life time..As an example : A Nissan GTR can do 0-62 mph in 2.8 seconds, so if you're about to enter traffic as a GTR turn into the same street it can already be doing almost 30mph in those 1.3 seconds that you've had to wait for your car to even start moving onto the street.

Waste of money just put it in sport mode

Good review. This device seems gimmicky to me. I'm out.

@americantrucks

5 жыл бұрын

No worries- this video isn't trying to 'sell' people but rather give an explanation of whats actually happening. -Justin

That sounds like a stupid worthless product. All it does is reduce the resolution of your gas pedal. It just ramps up the voltage to your throttle faster or slower. If you want more power without this device just push the pedal further down. It still gives you full power.

@beezap8892

5 жыл бұрын

not worthless if you do a lot of driving, your leg will thank you