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@sekured9950

3 жыл бұрын

Question, what altitude do you start at in your 1on1 videos?

@hidangvlog2022

3 жыл бұрын

Please man Can we have mig 17 and mig 21 vs F4 phantom and F8 crusade ? The ultimate Vietnam war dogfight

@longhorne1096

3 жыл бұрын

Hey can you do a war thunder sim video?

@welltell.

3 жыл бұрын

Around 21:40 you did not noticed that your planed stalled? It looked like you were moving backwards and downwards.

@arue1lodare188

3 жыл бұрын

Can you do a P51 vs FA18 hornet pls

This is prob the most iconic duo all time if not the mig and Sabre the the phantom and the mig21

@dioad1739

3 жыл бұрын

I want see that one too.

@burningpotato9447

3 жыл бұрын

This is even more iconic because they are almost exactly the same performance except guns and the fact that the f86 pilots get a g suit

@darkhammer2078

3 жыл бұрын

@@burningpotato9447 I think it’s more of the fact that it’s really one of the last non missile rivalries in air to combat but yeah that’s is also true

@flashtirade

3 жыл бұрын

GS and getting shot in the face

@neandertaler4154

3 жыл бұрын

@@burningpotato9447 In my opinion this makes it less iconic because they are so similar, you can not really tell wich plane is better. They are both based very much on german technology and not too much on the individual skills of the american and russian constructors. At later stages, where the aircraft desingns of both sides are more different, it is more exiting to watch them because i'm not watching basically the same plane.

I like how Longshot adapted quickly by forcing a one circle fight in the second match. He rarely makes the same mistakes twice. 👍

@LongShotChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you my man.

This is one of my favourite pairings - faster than the warbirds, but not as electronics-dependent as the more modern jets. Pure flying.

Starting to like these daily posts

@yshaihini

3 жыл бұрын

Only starting?? lol

These classic matches are my favorite. Would love to see some 2v2 fights as that seems like the more common historical matchup.

I think the sabre pilots were already wearing G-suits at that time, enabling them to pull harder and withstand more G's than the mig pilots. Am I wrong?

@ontoverse

3 жыл бұрын

Well, the MiG here was pulling 8-9 G's through most of the fight. With or without a 50's G-suit, I don't think many North Korean or even Soviet pilots could handle that. But yeah, the USAF had g-suits by then. I've found conflicting information regarding whether the Soviet ("honchos") pilots had them. They did have high-altitude suits (probably the VKK-1), but I'm not sure if they worked like g-suits as well. Generally a g-suit only increases tolerances by 1 g, though. 6 gs in a 50's plane is already pretty extreme -- but I doubt a real MiG-15 could handle a sustained 9G turn. Maybe I'm wrong on that though, maybe the NK and Soviet pilots where total badasses and held their planes together through the power of ideological purity....

@GrowlingSidewinder

3 жыл бұрын

nope youd be correct.

@icecold9511

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-qn3xu5ee3t There was also the issue that mig15 had no hydraulic assistance. They had to muscle the plane around. An extended fight was way to the saber's advantage.

@ThatGuysProject

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-qn3xu5ee3t I've seen discussion that the sabre we have is effectively a basterd child of 2 sabres due to having the gar 8, lack of slats as well as having labs system

@tigerpjm

3 жыл бұрын

You know what though? I kind of like the fact that those sorts of variables are out of the game and it's just one plane versus another. I get that DCS isn't totally accurate a simulation, but no sim, even military grade, is. It's fun putting two planes up against each other without things like pilot training, tactics, G-suits, maintenance quality, mechanical reliability, etcetera... and just seeing them go toe-to-toe how their designers (largely) intended.

Mig15s r tough nuggets to crack in real life with 50 cals

@St.Matthew422

3 жыл бұрын

Sure, MiGs in Korea were able to intercept a lot of bombers and just have a few bullet holes, And you can see that americans were horrible at marking their kills since when they saw smoke they thought that the plane was already destroyed, but the MiG-15 was incredibly build to survive that it could even land in a near base even with performance problems. Thats why the KDR of the sabres in Korea were so high. It killed more migs than it was produced at the time, like, bruh

@St.Matthew422

3 жыл бұрын

@@viruspter1dactl calm down

@thedubstepaddict3675

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasvelazquez9789 someones triggered

@evanceier8577

3 жыл бұрын

@@St.Matthew422 ah but you forget, not all claimed or credit kills are claimed or credited as the enemy plane being destroyed. There is a term called an "operational kill" meaning that you have taken the enemy aircraft out of the fight, hitting a mighty so it has to RTB would qualify as an operational kill. So you are right that the claimed and credited kills are too high for him many miss were actually destroyed, but that isn't how kill tallies work. Then there is of course the usual over claiming that happens in every military and that how you get these overblown numbers. Doesn't mean they fyhough a smoking mig would crash.

There's *never* enough Korean war dogfights. I've been waiting for this. My favourite match up of all time

"23mm round to the face." That will make you have a bad day every time.

@ThomasMRuth

3 жыл бұрын

Even if I just threw one *by hand* at somebody's nose, unpleasantness follows.

If my family only knew what I spent my downtime watching

@jimmynickelz

3 жыл бұрын

@my dad beats me I'm good with that.

@jimmynickelz

3 жыл бұрын

@my dad beats me it chose me.

famous last words 'Oh shiiiiii"

Definitive one of the best and most interesting fights so far, great flyin and fight coupled with really good explanations on whats happening and the different strengths of both aircrafts. Thumbs up!

I knew this was going to be a good fight when I saw F86 and MIG 15. Nice job boys!

Beautiful! Love the replay footage at the end of round 1. Epic!

So enjoyable watching pilots that actually know how to fly and know their aircraft....👍👍👍

Goddamn, those were some beautiful fights. I held my breath the whole time you were in the clouds.

Am I the only one that gets so into the fight that I jump every time there is a pilot snipe?

@lonniebailey4989

3 жыл бұрын

Nope. I jumped too.

Love the slow-mo for the kill shots/ close calls.

Bravo. Superb video for a superb set of aircraft in DCS. Two of the most fun modules in DCS IMHO.

Speaking of, any plans on making a video about the MiG or Sabres history/dogfights? Would surely make for an entertaining piece. Like the famous 2 on 2 during the Korean war that was covered on the History Channel.

Man I love them rate fights.you and long shot have a hell of a fight.love it

I cant get over how cool the jets from this era look. Similar to the ME-262, simple and sleek.

The most iconic battles after world war ll in the jet age involving U.S.A., evade and escape and fight another day, your spoiling us sidewinder with these awesome daily post.

Great video mate. Shot in the face again .. hahaha. Man your video production is next level. Keep it up:)

Good fight, pleasure to watch. Well done lads.

Awesome video. It was a hard fight

Great to watch really enjoyed. USSR reverse engineering of Rolls Royce power plants allowed this aircraft to perform. Then same with the Sidewinder in the tail pipe episode results in missile called Atoll. Haha you gotta love human ingenuity. I think it looks like the same manufacturer supplied the paint for both F86 and Mig29 cockpit ; ) Great thanks.

That f86 crashing along with the music made me wonder how it must've been during the korean war

@jaomircourtar1501

3 жыл бұрын

@@DJones476 lmfao in the air atleast

I like how you mix up the videos. You never keep it one aircraft or era you seem to try to spice it up. I like it

You know GS is a tough guy when he catches a 23mm with his teeth! :^D But seriously, I have all kinds of respect for the way you post and analyze both wins and losses, and show such respect for your opponents. Kudos!

Magnet face strikes again! Great video as always although I think magnet should be your call sign 🤣

Masterful bait by Longshot in that second round! Well done!

If memory serves, the F86 had hydraulically boosted wing surfaces and a movable tail or "flying tail". The Mig did not. What that meant that the F86 was much more controllable at high speeds (in fact could go trans-sonic in a dive). The Mig had better thrust (a little) and a better ceiling (a lot in the days of guns only). I sorta remember the early F86 had automatic slats - giving it a boost in turns as well. Get the MIG to follow you in a dive and then pull out when you want and have him play superman against the controls.

This is one of the best videos I've ever seen. Well done Sir ♥️

Great match. Most sporting as well. Nice to see some fundamentals are still being appreciated on this bloody planet. Nice work.👍🏻😉

Good fights. I hope to see more MiG vs Sabre. I think it’s pretty accurate that the MiG out turns the Sabre (and has the better climb rate, I think), though the Sabre should have the higher top speed. Maybe breaking more of a gap could help when you disengage from the rate fight?

@555_Kochi_STi

3 жыл бұрын

@@thomasvelazquez9789 I’m aware. But what does that have to do with the DCS flight model?

@dilet1114

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasvelazquez9789 I've flown the MiG-15 and Sabre in DCS, above about 700 km/h you practically can't roll in the MiG, you have more authority in the Sabre but it still definitely stiffens up. In a pure one circle/two circle fight if the MiG driver plays his cards right he should generally be able to beat the Sabre (stiff-arms him into a lower speed engagement). The radar ranging gunsight is difficult and finicky to use in the Sabre, I usually just cage it. Also, to my knowledge the British actually sold the Soviets the Nene and Derwent, which they promptly reverse-engineered and put into the MiG-15.

The F 86 had a radar targeting gun sight.

@GrowlingSidewinder

3 жыл бұрын

yes

@jkoeberlein1

3 жыл бұрын

@@zepter00 Hmm, I guess that'll work. Easy way to change zero, just move the gum.

Watching these Korean War dogfights is like going to church for me! More please!!

Why the repost Also I hope that they add the F-100 in DCS or a F-104

@GrowlingSidewinder

3 жыл бұрын

there was a problem in the first one, sorry about that.

@adityasamal3720

3 жыл бұрын

@@GrowlingSidewinder was it the weird sound thingy?

@adityasamal3720

3 жыл бұрын

@@alexturner4873 why would anyone say that lol

@KJ-kn8pg

3 жыл бұрын

They need to add first of all, the f-8 crusader, the best American dogfighter of the Vietnam Era, second best kill ratio of fighter jet after the F-15!

@tarunbasra8230

3 жыл бұрын

@@KJ-kn8pg razrbeam is making a f8. Only time will tell when we will get it

In the circle fight @19:30 (ish) would you have been better served by going vertical to try and reset instead of bleeding all your energy in the turn. You weren't going to get lead on him, and his energy state didn't appear to bleed at all no matter the rate. I realize he had you right where he wanted, in his rear quadrant. Maybe, if you had broken it off a bit sooner, went vertical and used your roll rate to keep him on the lift vector. Sure, that would have likely put you into a vertical rolling scissors. But I can't help but think that changing the geometry of the fight after first realizing you couldn't match his turn would have, at a minimum, given him another equation to solve. Probably the only time I've seen you straight up out fought by a determined and relentless foe. Love your videos, so informative!

Such a cool fight ! Well done!

Im loven this channel's content!!!

F86 is probably the aircraft that suprised me the most. I love it!

when I see you post a video it makes me smile. when I watch your videos it makes my day awsome

Everybody gangsta until a F-86 flies out of the clouds guns blazing.

I for one am shocked that you got shot in the face....again. Great vid btw. Two of my favourite aircraft.

Longshot keeps it entertaining.

@LongShotChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it man. Thank you, im glad you enjoyed

This is sick bro

Dang sidewinder trying to kill your buddy that's rough.haha.y'all are having a hell of a fight.I bet old long shot is laughing up a mess.god bless stay are and keep fighting bud.love the videos

So cool to see these old war dogs!

Your resistance to G-force is amazing!

The winning factor in Korea was the pilot training and tactics for the Sabre aircraft. Lot's of WWII aircraft used in Korea: Yak-9, IL-2, Po-2, P-51, F4U Corsair, B-29, A-26 and C-47.

Maybe the major mistake in the tacview round is that you kept on trying to lead him to bring a gun solution. That way, you've never been in the control zone. Same when you both dropped altitude. You are well aware that you have the advantage at altitude but you descend with him anyway. Be patient, let him sacrifice altitude and keep potential gravity energy. Don't try to lead him at all costs. When he'll realize you did not take the bait he'll have either to pull up to you (and you'll be waiting for him with more energy) or he'll flatten his curves and you'd be able to have an opportunity to boom and zoom. Anyway, don't let him pull you down when you are in the middle of the circle. Extend your turn to be under his wing plan, not over, and wait for the solution. Get outside the turn. Remember that by being under his wing plan you are actually under him where he can't see you. The moment he'll put his wing flat to look for you he's dead.

@lemuelcasillas7572

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, don’t take the bait for lower altitude. If you know you have a disadvantage why play into his advantage. You can stay higher and have him play on your chessboard or you can fly away and wait for another day.

At first I was like, wait two vids in one day?!?!

The moment the round hit and the screen went black I completely jumped out of my chair! 😂🤣🤣 XD

This is my favorite gen of fighter out of all the fighters

Old school here enjoying this one !!

Ooooh sh#t last words, fade to black.Great fight, Longshot is a worthy opponent, thanks for recommending his channel.

@LongShotChannel

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for that awesome comment. Appreciate it alot 😉

I love the sound that the Sabre’s guns make

The f86 is a good lookin plane!! Nice clean lines.

Such an awesome matchup. I am wondering why the f86 was not doing lead computing. That was one of the things that really gave the 86 an advantage.

All we need is a F4 vs Mig 21 video, and a P51 vs Me262

Yep the old losing ques of "oh no oh shit " then bam right in the face , fantastic content as always cheers

The part where GS got sniped in the face, inside his cockpit with a 23mm round combined with that hit sound shocked me hard enough

@tankermottind

3 жыл бұрын

That was wet sounding, jesus christ.

Great fight!

I'd love to see a dog fight between a F9F Panther and a Mig-15 especially at night, dusk or dawn. My hope for a night engagement comes with knowing my uncle, George Roy Hill, was a night fighter pilot and instructor during Korea and flew the Panther among many other aircraft.

I like how the f86 canopy has the degrees on the glass so you can see if you are out turning your opponent

Not going to lie the sabres are just an amazing looking aircraft so vicious but elegant :):)

Good fight, both of you

I started this insane, crazy stuff in like 1995. SU-27 Flanker. I am 60 years and would to back into this sim!

I have to laugh at the music you’re playing in round 1. It was good!

Such an elegant fight.

I'm a bit confused. If Longshot's Mig has a poor roll rate, why would he prefer rolling scissors? It seems back to front (to someone who knows zip about air combat) Great video as always, really appreciate the tac talk at the end (which usually makes sense) thanks

@GrowlingSidewinder

3 жыл бұрын

a rolling scissor doesn't require to constantly bank the aircraft left and right, you just keep it banked in 1 direction and you roll around the guy, where a flat scissor is left and right left and right.

in the earlier version of these 2, the mig15 had the advantage, but US crew had better training, also, mig15 had much higher service ceiling, so could dictate when and where the fight starts

This makes me want to see a “What if” scenario between the F86 and ME262

I likeslow motion with music like this, so epic

You have to give major respect to pilots of the dogfighting era no missiles no radar no lead indicators just you the enemy and your guns

I really like content covering older vehicles...

Very nice content. You are very knowledgeable.

That radar gunsight was quite an advantage to USAF pilots.

Gotta love the F-86. It looks like Buck Rogers should be flying it.

Daily dose of dogfights

Mig still shooting even after fatally hit was awesome.

I have been told that the mig15 suffered in the dive with pressurisation issues that effectively blinded the pilot. This came from one of my old instructors who flew the f86 in the RAAF.

Awesome video

LMFAO....its so funny to hear your reaction when you know its coming

If I remember correctly, RL Mig-15s didn't have hydraulically boosted controls, so Soviet pilots would've been in a disadvantage to American pilots in drawn-out turning fights.

@sam.p9502

3 жыл бұрын

The mig was notorious for flying like a boat too

Needed the MiG Mad Marine painted on the side.

12:45 "Oh no! Oh shit!" I really want to buy a stick and hotas, but the prices right now are INSANE! Maybe next year?!?

Well done!

I usually keep the power up and use the air brakes to control speed.

@TheSoundsage

3 жыл бұрын

Could the actual F86 take that aerodynamic strain?

F-86's and MiG's combined the best of two worlds, you have the bare bones, armed with nothing but guns and cannon dogfights where the victor all came down to which pilot honed their technique better and then there's the jet era where you fly at speeds no prop has ever flown before and never will. Several planes have come after these two beasts, with the same dogfighting doctrine, but this is the pinnacle and the peak of it all.

LS is just... deadly. I wouldn't want to meet him in a darkened alley if he had a mail opener and I had a belt-fed. Probably slice my throat open before I even knew he was there.

DPRK and PLAAF pilots also didn't have modern pressure suits which limited their ability to push the Mig15. NATO pilots did which gave them the edge, coupled with the fact that NATO pilots had much more training, and were often experienced pilots from WW2. North Korea and China didnt even have modern air forces and tried to build one on the fly. The Soviets even sent in experienced Russian pilots to try and even the odds a bit more. Of course, they couldn't tell anyone about this so they gave their pilots a handful of Korean phrases to use in the cockpit to make them look like North Korean flights. Of course once the pilots started cursing in the middle of dogfights it kinda gave the game away!

Another fine day in MiG Alley.

i remember that the main advantage of the saber is the gun sight?

@draqonfyre4385

3 жыл бұрын

I believe that was a great advantage that it had, along with G suits, so the pilots could withstand more G's. For those who don't know, the Sabres had gyroscopic gunsights, allowing the gunsight to give an estimation of how much they should lead their nose, depending on the turn rate and range set on the gun sight.

@SumDrum309

3 жыл бұрын

@@draqonfyre4385 it was radar guided as well, the radome is the small, frequently black-painted upper tip of the engine intake

@sakalaathletics

3 жыл бұрын

Higher velocity rounds as well.

@icecold9511

3 жыл бұрын

Actually their main advantage was hydraulic assistance. Migs had to muscle the plane around. That tired them out fast.

Just found your channel by accident. What amazing video--really enjoyed it! Question from someone who knows nothing: I'm curious. Why did you allow him to drag the fight down to the deck where you lose performance? Not criticizing, just wanting to learn.

@GrowlingSidewinder

3 жыл бұрын

hey man and welcome to the channel, the nature of dogfighting is that as a fight goes on long enough it will inevitably lead to the ground, as 2 aircraft convert their gravitational potential energy into kinetic, they obvs do this at the cost of their altitude (dumping the nose) hence the fight gets dragged down, altitude can be regained but 1 fighter must figure out how to reset the fight and regain altitude.

Can we get some MiG-29 vs F-15 BVR, with you flying the MiG-29 and trying to not die 50km out by you know, staying low. MiG is perfect for when you get into Fox-2 range, that's kind of what you should strive for.

Nice and gentle on the stick for me😳