It’s worth mentioning that the Eurofighter Typhoon isn’t just a German aircraft. It was a joint project between Germany, Italy, the UK and Spain

@Alguien644

5 ай бұрын

And initially also france, but they quit and made the rafale

@lichwood4429

4 ай бұрын

So in other words. Just a German Aircraft

@roots4x

4 ай бұрын

C'mon, let's be honest, they're German.

@aardvaark11

4 ай бұрын

@@roots4x British Rolls Royce engines and British Aerospace build the aircraft in the UK following its development. Airbus (Germany, UK and Spain), MBDA (Weapons British, French and Italian), Leonardo (Avionics UK) were the other three companies involved. The Germans did and do build their own aircraft at an Airbus factory and the main controlling company is Eurofighter Jagdflugzeug GmbH. This is a multinational company that coordinates the design, production and upgrade of the Eurofighter Typhoon in conjunction with BAe Warton in the UK. If it were a German aircraft, I suspect it would have been called the "Taifun"?

@johndoe-cd9vt

4 ай бұрын

A big failed program ...

If an F22 is ever in a dog fight, then something has gone terribly wrong.

@eliasgotzfried1131

3 ай бұрын

well said

@jayscott8583

3 ай бұрын

not really it just means the pilot ran out of AIM 120s to sling. The F22 was designed to be a dog fighter. It can get nose on target faster then almost everything out there.

@jamesholden5664

3 ай бұрын

Some times rules of engagement say you have to get a visual on what you going to shoot down. We dont want to accidently splash an airliner or an allied plane. I know theres friend or foe electronics and such but there are some times rules of engagement requireing a visual identification.

@stevenwinklepleck8395

2 ай бұрын

@@jamesholden5664 exactly. The F-4 was designed at a time when we thought dog-fighting was a thing of the past. We had developed BVR capabilities and designed the aircraft to be very fast and have a good radar, but that was the extent of its advantages. We lost over a hundred of them due to the need to get visual confirmation to ID target aircraft, then them being easily out-maneuvered and gunned down. That lesson was learned, and no fighter has been designed since without any ability to dog-fight (although we've started steering away from dog-fighting capabilities again with the F-35, but not to the same extreme). And yeah, take off the fuel tanks and strap even 4 missiles on the Eurofighter and, as capable as it is, it's not coming out on top in a 1v1 against a Raptor. That's all without the consideration that if the Typhoon pilot didn't have the advantage of knowing where the Raptor would be when the engagement began, the Raptor would most likely take the Typhoon's 6 before the Typhoon pilot knew it was there

@SirBender

5 күн бұрын

@@jayscott8583except a typhoon ;)

The best thing about those planes is that they fly side by side. Both are extremely capable for what they are intended to do. I’m happy that we have such a great jet in the typhoon, but I’m also happy that it’s our ally whose got the F22

@alang6238

3 ай бұрын

Muricans claiming "best in world" once again.. 😂 Murica is not the world, the best in EVERYTHING from planes, trains, performance cars, trucks, tractors, motorbikes, boats, yachts, race cars... All come from western Europe..

@tonyhoward9268

2 ай бұрын

The f-22 is absolutely the best of the 2. If it were a real world fight with no “special” rules the typhoon would have been destroyed before they ever knew the F-22 was there and every Typhoon pilot out there would choose the F-22 if given the choice between the two in a real world life or death scenario. With that being said, I absolutely LOVE the Typhoon, it’s one of the best, an incredible fighter and bad ass looking to, one of the best and one of my favorites of all time. BUT, it is not better than the Raptor.

@NickRose-qc5sb

Ай бұрын

Are the simulators hook up to the internet? They should totally make it into a video game..but in a simulators..

@pastrie42

Ай бұрын

amen!

@hazbro121

Ай бұрын

@@tonyhoward9268biased American

The Typhoon may be the most underrated Airplane of our time! It's a beast.

@65coupestang

Жыл бұрын

I PERSONALLY ALWAYS SAW THE TYPHOON AS AN AIRCRAFT OF ANOTHER COUNTRY (OUTSIDE THE U.S.) AS WELL AS AN OLDER LOWER GENERATION AIRCRAFT..BUT THAT'S JUST ME/MY THOUGHTS IS ALL🤔🤷‍♂️🤨HMM..!!??

@jaycee9385

7 ай бұрын

I think, those people inside Air Forces aren't underestimating the Typhoon. Among enthusiasts and people spitting comments on the internet? It is my perception, that most people support the planes of their home countries or regions, and there are many more fighter enthusiasts from the US, Russia and India then from Europe. Therefore the Typhoon has less support in the comment sections. But that doesn't mean, an actual fighter pilot, lest alone somebody being in charge of air force strategies, underestimates it.

The Typhoon scoring wins over the Raptor also means that the Air Force brass has more leverage to say, "Yes, Senator. We do need the funding this new 7th generation of stealth fighter."

@phoenixrising4073

Жыл бұрын

I seriously didn't think of that. Interesting, and logical, angle.

@Destroyer_V0

Жыл бұрын

Huh. Smart move from the air force to maintain, and continue to expand their technological edge if that's how they sell it.

@trumptookthevaccine1679

Жыл бұрын

You mean 6th gen

@VvImpalervV

Жыл бұрын

@@trumptookthevaccine1679 6th gen is already funded and in development ;) I was wondering if someone would mention that.

@trumptookthevaccine1679

Жыл бұрын

@@VvImpalervV it’s not funded until it’s in production

Whenever I hear hat a plane lost with drop tanks on all I think of is “Well there’s your problem.”

@RazyrDiarmait

Жыл бұрын

Such a silly goose eating before its flight.

@davidcole333

Жыл бұрын

Well thats not really the same as when the aircraft is required to have them on. Real world, those tanks aren't there.

@ivanzlatar2445

Жыл бұрын

@@davidcole333 depends on the circumstances.... if you need the fuel to get home,.. you can't drop them.

@Gunni1972

Жыл бұрын

What i ask myself: why would it have to carry them over a test area anyway? No airbase nearby? As soon as you know you are engaged, you are supposed to drop them, and either engage, or fly home.

@Gunni1972

Жыл бұрын

@@davidcole333 Real world is a bit bigger than a training area. Those drop tanks are there, if you have to venture ahead. But they are called drop tanks, because you are supposed to drop them, when engaged.

I remember hearing for years how the F-16 "destroyed" the brand new F-35 in 1v1 dogfights. Come to find out years later that the F-35 was one of the prototype models that was missing virtually everything that makes it lethal, and on top of that the rules of engagement prohibited the F-35 from using a lot of what it did have available. It reminded me of children arguing over who's father would win in a fight based on how much dad claimed he could bench-press!

@ElArcano79

Жыл бұрын

F-35 is not a good dogfighter and probably F-16 is better. The F35 is 30% heavier than when designed and now it has an only average thrust to weight ratio.

@jamesinson3488

Жыл бұрын

@@ElArcano79 It doesn't need to be.. The F-35 pilot can see through their entire aircraft 360 degrees and achieve a "lock" on the enemy just by looking at them with its Tactical HUD Helmet - but the other guy has to maneuver and point their nose at you to do the same. It's really not even a fair fight tbh. The F-35 has a 20 - 30+ to 1 kill ratio in fly-offs conducted by our Allies, hints why every single one of them have purchased whole fleets of them to replace whatever they had or currently have. Btw, the Helmet wasn't used for whatever reason in the first fly-off I mentioned with the F-16.

@ElArcano79

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesinson3488 with hmd f35 can see and lock a target but aim9x can't be fired to a rear target. You still need to turn... less, but you still need it. The aim9x is an "over the shoulder" missile, yes but... f16 can also carry it and it has an hmd to lock, like the f18, the f22... the eurofighter to shoot the asraam or iris-t, the Rafale to shoot the magic, the su35, mig35 or su57 to shoot the Archer...

@jamesinson3488

Жыл бұрын

@@ElArcano79 That particular F-16 helmet was still under development at that time, and even if it was equipped with it - it's still not nearly as sophisticated, powerful or fast as the F35's gen 3 helmet combined with the F-35 itself (none are as of today). There's a good reason why so many nations are switching to the F35, and believe me - it's not bcuz it can't fight

@ElArcano79

Жыл бұрын

@@jamesinson3488 f16 helmet under development is a new helmet, but with the current one it can lock a target out of the hud. The f35 helmet can "see throught the plane" and it's great... for AG missions. The fact is nowadays the f16 can use its hmd to fire an aim9x at his 9 and the f35 can do the same... but it can't fire at its 6. It's not a helmet limitation, it's a weapon limitation.

I love how you literally didn't take a side on this. You were very objective and it really explained why this is really important to understand that nothing is as simple as we want, even with our bias rooting for our favorite fighter.

@mikebeacom5588

11 ай бұрын

the hell he was objective

@Takyodor2

6 ай бұрын

@@mikebeacom5588 nuh uh, he was

@legend9335

4 ай бұрын

You are joking. It was very smooth American propaganda. Notice the stars and stripes flying at the end.

The biggest weakness of the F-22 is that they only built 187 of them.

@JS_360NC

Жыл бұрын

we’re lucky that number isn’t split amongst 20 other nations

@tango_uniform

Жыл бұрын

Blame that on Robert Gates. Air Force doctrine of fighting two near-simultaneous wars required several hundred airframes. The USAF asked for 381 airframes, while Gates limited the buy to 183. Dyslexia perhaps, but the second biggest weakness is the USAF did not purchase tooling that would have permitted restart of the production line. Budgeting officials clearly do not understand that cost is spread over the total number of airframes. Fewer airframes mean higher unit cost. The first Model-T cost a million dollars.

@frankaloia

Жыл бұрын

@@tango_uniform Perhaps they knew that more advanced design and manufacturing technologies would allow even the Raptor to be replaced in a much shorter timeframe than the Raptor was able to advance past the F15. The NGAD program already has a prototype that's taken flight meaning the USAF is already well on its way to having a 6th gen fighter.

@christopherboyle2403

Жыл бұрын

@@JS_360NC The Germans alone have 181 eurofighters, the Brits have 160. Not like the europeans are flying huge air wings. The Russians who you guys are REALLY worried about I hear have only a handful of SU-57... Considering those eurofighters are likely to be your wingmen. Air dominance isn't an issue. Now the Russian mobile surface to air systems. They be the problem.

@h.d.5288

11 ай бұрын

That’s 187 more than any other country though.

Bruh so many people not realizing how much of a difference maneuverability is with fuel tanks on

@Bsquared1972

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention stealthiness lost...

@at_omic8578

Жыл бұрын

guilty as charged on both accounts... plus acceleration loss, added weight to lower T/W, and likely a slew of other things

@stevesangster626

Жыл бұрын

Correct! So why weren't they dropped?

@leonguyen896

Жыл бұрын

@@stevesangster626 Sometimes you want to test things under all conceivable conditions

@meanman6992

Жыл бұрын

No fighter fights with the fuel tanks still on, they all drop tanks when they engage in a dog fight. So out of the gate the fight is unrealistic, it also wouldn’t have them on in any area it expected to encounter an enemy fighter or SAM threat, so to then have the typhoon clean on top of it, and start from a merge is basically tying the F22’s hands behind its back. Annnnnd it still won the vast majority of the engagements. Human error is likely the only reason any typhoon pilots got any “kills” and that required the F22 to be handicapped as hell. You could also argue, they didn’t want to fully advertise the aircraft and pilots capabilities. So all that’s known is, this is not its limit, not even close and it’s still kicked butt.

In this video you give a very rounded analysis and don't downplay either aircraft or their achievements. Thank you. It's also refreshing to see quotes in a video that actually come from people with relevant knowledge and experience of the topic being discussed. I particularly like the "if we don't lose sometimes we're not training to our limits" quite.

@dianapennepacker6854

9 ай бұрын

Yeah I hate these half truths though. It is like saying, "Yeah I beat Mike Tyson in a fight. He couldn't use his arms... Oh and I had brass knuckles but it was just one that weighed 1 pound with no spikes. Dog fighting is dead for 99% of the majority. At first I thought the issues in Vietnam were down to missiles not being advanced and failing which did happen - yet I guess it was actually more to do with the fact that they had to make visual confirmation before engaging leaving all advantages out the window to a more nimble jet. Anyway I hope the war in Ukraine is shows people all targets are vulnerable. Nothing is invincible and history shows that.

@jaycee9385

7 ай бұрын

​@@dianapennepacker6854"Dog fighting is dead for 99% of the majority." Most fighters in Ukraine are taken down by surface based air defence. So neither dog fighting, nor BVR are that relevant. With current fighters' abilities to avoid missiles, I wouldn't be surprised, if dog fighting had a comeback, once gen 4+ / gen 5 fighters engage in an actual conflict. Can't hurt to train it at least.

It's irrelevant even if the Eurofighter won all dogfights, these exercises are not intended to find the best plane but to learn about their capabilities and limitations, for future jet fighter developments and for the planning of joint operations. These two fighters aren't expected to fight each other, but it will be very valuable to know how to best combine them.

@banmadabon

Жыл бұрын

"It's irrelevant even if the Eurofighter won all dogfights" With this sentence you baptised your opinions as irrelevant in saecula saeculorum

@vincemicron

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. The F22 was very deliberately hobbled for the exercise so that they could figure out exactly what it could and couldn't do under those very specific conditions

@juancarlosduran2521

Жыл бұрын

@@vincemicron Agree

@juancarlosduran2521

Жыл бұрын

Agree

@randybobandy9828

7 ай бұрын

​@@vincemicronI really wish this point was hammered home when the military sent out this info, too many people are under the impression the f22 would be defeated in a real combat role

More than anything else, these dogfighting scenarios are about learning, and you learn a whole lot more from losses than you ever will from a lopsided win. That's why pilots and planes are put in a less than favorable position - to learn. Frankly, I'd be more concerned if we were told the F-22 never lost an exercise because it would lead me to believe we aren't training as comprehensively as we should.

@michaelpetty8416

Жыл бұрын

I haven’t thought of it like that. However, makes loads of sense. Learn to win through struggle.

@moonasha

Жыл бұрын

exactly, a lot of people who don't understand this will look at exercises and then say the loser is bad. In most exercises, the US will put one side at a horrible disadvantage. It's the same with how airline pilots or people going into space learn. They don't learn in a simulator where nothing goes wrong, they learn in a simulator where everything possible goes wrong, because that's how you train. You don't learn your weaknesses from stomping on people. And if you don't know your weaknesses, or how to fight when at a disadvantage, you don't know your potential. As Sun Tzu said, “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles."

@BatMan-oe2gh

Жыл бұрын

@@moonasha Correct. And in every exercise, the Americans tend to make their own side weaker to learn how to counter things when they are at a disadvantage in real war. People forget that in Vietnam in the early days, the Migs were on top. But the Americans learnt and then smashed the Migs.

@estebanq.urkelthevxiith8495

Жыл бұрын

BINGO. That's like expecting not to disagree with intelligent people. It should happen. Not sure how often but it should.

@TheTriumfAnt

Жыл бұрын

Russian military exercises are heavily scripted so that the leadership gets to see the results they want. This leads to overconfidence and an inability to learn new tactics. We can see how that is working out for them.

All I needed to hear was "with external fuel tanks"

@wizardemrys

Жыл бұрын

@D if you are in the raptor with external fuel tanks you are wasting billions of dollars into the development of it being a stealth aircraft and losing your overwhelming advantage. Also, a stealth aircraft does not have to use tons of fuel with afterburner on defending missiles and bleed their energy, all it has to do is sit up there and lob missiles. So, it does not require as much fuel to complete a mission.

Thanks for a comprehensive and totally objective and non biased viewpoint.

Kudos. One of the best, most fair comparisons I've seen both about the aircraft themselves, and the Red Flag training flights. I've seen a couple of your videos before, but this one earned a subscribe. 🙂

All I had to hear was “with external fuel tanks” and I laughed “

@maclain728

Жыл бұрын

Ya as soon as I heard that I knew what the problem was, but I was more shocked to hear the Typhoon DIDNT have any external tanks. Like it wasn’t even close to a level playing field and the Raptor still won the majority of engagement

@ruthnoya8424

Жыл бұрын

@D To be fair, the raptors empty weight is similar to the typhoons mission weight and thus, it has 70,000lbs of thrust vs the typhoons 40,000lbs...but yes, lighter is better for performance.

@cosmoray9750

Жыл бұрын

Look up " We are Openly Trying to Oppress China " on Yt. Insightful and sad at the same time....

@wizardemrys

Жыл бұрын

@@cosmoray9750 ah yes, trying to oppress china, poor china who does slave labor, genocide, harassment of smaller countries for their maritime exclusive economic zones, bullying other countries some more...

@Matthew-Anthony

Жыл бұрын

@Cosmo Ray Are you not familiar with the situation in Hong Kong and Taiwan? They just want to be left alone. China is the AGGRESSOR.

The thrust vector is nice for fun airshow demos, but the reason for the F-22's vectoring is to allow pitch change without the use of the elevators: thus keeping the stealth radar avoiding profile.

@Ariccio123

Жыл бұрын

Also, apparently they were designed in to meet a requirement of the Advanced Tactical Fighter spec, to take off on short runways. Someone who'd worked on it commented under a video, it might have been the MIT lecture, that it can be used during short takeoff to first tilt the nose up at moderate runway speeds, then used (pointing down) to help loft the rear of the aircraft up off the ground sooner.

@McGriddy51095

Жыл бұрын

Could it not also be used to bring your nose around faster in a dogfight? Allowing you to get a lock on faster?

@Ariccio123

Жыл бұрын

@@McGriddy51095 yes, theoretically, but the pilot types keep telling me/us that if you do that *and you miss*, you're in *very* bad shape because you just bled off all your energy!

@RockTo11

Жыл бұрын

@@Ariccio123 Typhoon goes from standstill to vertical in 6 seconds. One of, if not the fastest acceltating plane for getting in the air during a scramble.

@RockTo11

Жыл бұрын

@@Ariccio123 kzread.info/dash/bejne/pKyB0riLlKS7oLw.html

Excellent video, well constructed presentation. Subbed

I just saw you on cnbc, good work brotha, love every one of yours vids it’s good to see you doing well brotha

Excellent, fair and very thorough comparisons. But as the British commander said about the Challenger tank during Operation Desert Storm, “our tank was designed to win battles in a war situation, not competitions”. They destroyed over 350 Iraqi tanks for no combat losses.

@marc9080

Жыл бұрын

Vous devez de toute urgence vérifier vos SOURCES!! PLEASE🐧

@EdwardPCampbell

Жыл бұрын

@@marc9080 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_1

@EdwardPCampbell

Жыл бұрын

Wikipedia states ‘300’ Iraqi tanks but another documentary KZread video quoted a British tank commander stating “over 350” Iraqi tanks (in the dark, through smoke screens, etc.) Hence the expression ’the fog of war’. Wiki is highly useful as a general source of information but is not infallible. Wiki extract from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger : ‘In action, the Global Positioning System (GPS) and Thermal Observation and Gunnery System (TOGS) fitted to the Challengers proved to be decisive, allowing attacks to be made at night, in poor visibility and through smoke screens.[14] In total, British Challengers destroyed roughly 300 Iraqi tanks without suffering a single loss in combat.[11] Patrick Cordingley, the commander of 7th Armoured Brigade, said afterwards that "Challenger is a tank built for combat and not competitions."[15]

@kenwaid8239

Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile in the biggest tank battle in history 100 Iraqi tanks went up against 100 Abrams one hour later 100 Abrams tank crews return to base to have steaks and beer. the 100 Iraqi tank crews…well their guys would’ve been happy just For a drink of water.

@djzoodude

Жыл бұрын

If I get your meaning, you are saying the Raptor is like the Challenger in your analogy?

Let them have their fun. We all know which plane those pilots would prefer to be in, in real life.

@socaljet

Жыл бұрын

pretty much this

@holgermuller3597

Жыл бұрын

You are so right! Of course they would choose the Eurofighter 😇

@Bornst3ll3r

Жыл бұрын

@@holgermuller3597😂😂😂 cuck

Who doesn't love a good, friendly rivalry? The reality is that these two insanely dominant aircraft will be flying TOGETHER and combining their best features to ensure a win for the coalition.

Thanks for clearing this up! I was really shocked about any wins against the Raptor.

@4_youtube_is_dead

Жыл бұрын

only typhoon can exhaust a raptor

@movingontorealfreedom7305

Жыл бұрын

@@4_youtube_is_dead Yeah, when the Raptor has to deal with fuel tanks.

@holgermuller3597

Жыл бұрын

@@movingontorealfreedom7305 I don´t wonder any longer that NASA is searching in outer space for intelligent life

I have watched three different videos where the F22 has gone up against other fighters. Not once has it been allowed to use everything it has against the other fighters. They are ALWAYS adding or taking away things that hurts its performance. Also, in every instance the Raptor still had the majority of kills despite the handicap.

@phoenixrising4073

Жыл бұрын

In realistic scenarios, the wins in the Raptor are boring BVR AMRAAM kills. Not very sexy but certainly very effective. All of these "what if" scenarios are to let other airforces feel good about themselves. Granted I still think the Eurofighter is a little sexier, I would always choose to go to war in the F22.

@bryanst.martin7134

Жыл бұрын

@@phoenixrising4073 War is a gamble. And a good gambler never shows his cards till the end.

@orlock20

Жыл бұрын

@@phoenixrising4073 BVR multi targeting. Even the F-14 could target eight aircraft at once BVR. A F-22 pilot could be an ace from one BVR 1G missile dump.

@kerblingtime

Жыл бұрын

I believe one the problems the F-22 has, as said by a commander (I forgot his name) is that it is so good, it compensates for tactical error. Like, the problem that they have with the F-22 is literally because it is so good, they don't know if the tactics they are employing are actually good tactics or bad ones, because the F-22 would overcompensate for it. And the reason why that's important because of the nature of the F-22, it can do things conventional 4th gen aircrafts can't, and because of that, it goes against traditional air combat tactics. What might seem like a suicidal mission for most aircrafts, is doable for a F-22.

@alfredchurchill2328

Жыл бұрын

The simple fact is that the typhoon has a TWR that’s equal to the f22. But the aero design of the typhoon simply allows it to be more manoeuvrable. A delta wing with a forward canards (unlike rafale/gripen) is literally the best layout for ACM combat. The f-22s design with the same TWR just can’t turn as aggressively. It’s just physics. Add on the extremely good HMS that typhoon has and the ACM engagement becomes kinda one sided. If the typhoon had a typical a2a set up and the f22 had the same. Neither with drop tanks. The typhoon would still win more with everything else being equally (pilot, fuel load etc). A canard we’ll forward on the fuselage is like having a second elevator. The amount of aerodynamic torque you can achieve is greater than any other aircraft out there. So much so it’s actually almost like having TVC

It can’t be overstated how big a disadvantage the wing tanks were on the F22. In ACM weight (and drag) is death. Even without wing tanks, internal fuel load is a huge factor. Entering real combat the Raptors would have dropped the tanks. It was an unrealistic engagement.

@orlock20

Жыл бұрын

The F-22 would never enter a dogfight unless it was for a suicide mission.

@MikiLund

Жыл бұрын

More bad excuses !!

@RAF71chingachgook

Жыл бұрын

@@orlock20 What the hell does that mean?

@RAF71chingachgook

Жыл бұрын

@@MikiLund The laws of physics is a bad excuse?

@orlock20

Жыл бұрын

@@RAF71chingachgook Stealth works at range. Entering a dogfight gives up the whole reason for stealth. Not only that, the only reason a F-22 would get into a dogfight is to use its gun. With current vector thrust missiles, the F-22 could fly straight and attack the enemy from 45 degrees off bore sight.

Both aircraft are absolutely exceptional but both have their own qualities and flaws. The good thing is that both aircraft are on the same side and can cover each others failings to make up a highly capable combined force. No aircraft is perfect and flawless.

Very well put together video. Well thought out.

What this shows to me is two things. (1) The Typhoon is a competent plane that deserves to still be in service. (2) The F-22 is a really good plane

@phoenixrising4073

Жыл бұрын

If I had a choice between owning either plane I would probably go with the Typhoon because it's a f*cking sex machine. If I had to choose a plane to go to war in it'd be the Raptor.

@mtf_savage_beasts2565

Жыл бұрын

But F22 never seen real combat

@jonathanpfeffer3716

Жыл бұрын

@@mtf_savage_beasts2565 it actually technically has, but ironically it was only air to ground strikes

@MommyKhaos

Жыл бұрын

@@jonathanpfeffer3716 It actually has intercepted other aircraft, but they typically run away in fear (See: The f-22 intercepting f-4s from Iran, with the Iranian pilots running away after the raptor had to physically show itself due to the radar on the ground and onboard the F-4s not showing the F-22s existing.

@MarvelousSeven

Жыл бұрын

@@mtf_savage_beasts2565 has eurofighter?

FYI, that MIT lecture is absolutely top notch, and I'd recommend 100%. I've watched several times over the years.

Thanks for this great report. Good explanation and very reasonable consideration. Thanks from Germany!

Very interesting and informative video. Please do more videos like this. 👍

It has been reported that F-22 pilots are forbidden from using all the F-22s capabilities in international exercises.

@BasedHadrian

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely true and known, just like with f35 and f22 they put radar reflectors on them when flying 99.99999% of the time to mask the true signature

@acecarpenter502

Жыл бұрын

True

@boostedbadboyzx12r31

Жыл бұрын

It's absolutely true

@survivalSC

Жыл бұрын

Yup I just left this same comment. This is why one of the reports also cautioned about pilots leading bad habits since they are not allowed to use the total systems on f22 in these mock fights with other countries

@Duron13

Жыл бұрын

And it is the same for the others jets/countries.

As a Typhoon enthusiast, I do agree with pretty much everything in this video. Both jets do exactly what they need to do

@mrorange3490

Жыл бұрын

It’s a stupid exercise. If it were a real battle it would be over before they had any visuals

@maxtube444

Жыл бұрын

@@mrorange3490 I never said that it wasn’t

@mrorange3490

Жыл бұрын

@@maxtube444 word life. My apologies homie

@maxtube444

Жыл бұрын

@@mrorange3490 It’s alright

Thanks. This sheds light on what really went on.

Just another Excellent addition to Alex’s body of work. Thanks

Don’t forget the OODA loop! Pilots who are well experienced in their own aircraft can often create and exploit advantages over pilots in more advanced aircraft. For example, in the early 1970s experienced Marine Corps pilots flying older F-4 Phantoms regularly beat Air Force pilots who were just learning their brand new F-15s.

@pogo1140

Жыл бұрын

It's how an A-10 driver got a Raptor kill. His squadron noticed a pattern in the F-22's fight. So they sent an lone A-10 out and he flew in the radar shadow of a C-130. The F-22's seeing the intruding C-130, ignored it while they continued killing F-16's and F-15's. At some point one F-22 went low to make another kill and soon the Raptor pilot heard "Guns, Guns, Guns on F-22" and looked around to see a lone A-10.

@petesheppard1709

Жыл бұрын

@@pogo1140 Sneaky little piggy... 😁 Good training for the Raptors! Falling into a pattern during combat is a good way to die.

@journeyman2682

Жыл бұрын

@@pogo1140 That's a good example of how useful these simulated air fights are. There's a reason the US airforce trains so many more hours than other airforces. Those A-10 guys deserved to put that Raptor symbol on their plane, for their cunning and preparation. The F22 pilot would probably have had to deal with plenty of jokes at their expense getting shot down by a lowly warthog, but they'd learn a lot about the overconfidence that may come from riding such a proficient aircraft and the dangers of making assumptions about what that radar signal may be hiding.

@luriakhsimahk4506

Жыл бұрын

@@journeyman2682 .And i quote .."There's a reason the US airforce trains so many more hours than other airforces."..Do you know that Raptor is quite a familiar scene to the RMAF (Royal Malaysia Air Force) ,USAF train many times with our boys of RMAF, our SU-30MKMs happen to be the USAF favourite. I am sure RMAF are benefiting alot from the training with USAF.

@journeyman2682

Жыл бұрын

@@luriakhsimahk4506 I didn't know. They must value the chance to get to know the SU-30 characteristics because they don't have many Raptors so they likely want to maximise the value from training. I loved my time in Malaysia, am now quite envious of the US pilots!

Saw you on CNBC earlier today about the B-21! Great work!

Terrific piece Alex. Always looking forward to your insights. Keep them coming. Nice takedown.

What a great video! Thanks for the information

From Hartmann’s wikipedia page: During the course of his career, Hartmann was forced to crash-land his fighter 16 times due either to mechanical failure or damage received from parts of enemy aircraft he had shot down; he was never shot down by direct enemy action.[3]

@Matthew-Anthony

Жыл бұрын

That is EXACTLY what I said! You beat me to it.

@skylanh4319

Жыл бұрын

Not sure how much I would trust Wiki or over hyped fighters. There is a great advantage to claiming you have a dominate fighter who never loses. Look how many times Ukraine has made up stories to inspire recruits and drive fear into Russian soldiers.

@Matthew-Anthony

Жыл бұрын

@@skylanh4319I know how you feel. However, that information is accurate. Erich Hartmann is a legend in a league of his own.

@miramallo30

Жыл бұрын

Curious, I never heard Hartmann's name before. He shot down more planes than there exist F-22. In WWII, Hartman shot down 352 planes. There where 15 German pilotes shooting down more than 200 planes, and more than 100 German pilots shooting down more than 100 planes. The most scoring non-German pilot was Finnish Ilmari Juutilainen (94 hits). The most scoring Japanese Pilot was Tetsuzō Iwamoto (87 hits) The most scoring US pilot was Richard I. Bong (40 hits). How come? What is the reason for that disproportion? And no, "the Germans where the best pilots" surely is not, so leave it.

@iluminas2866

Жыл бұрын

@@miramallo30 because germany was attacked by many nations in ww2 so many planes to shoot down

F-22 also probably had their radar reflectors mounted

@williamthornton5856

Жыл бұрын

Luneburge lenses are what they are called, but yes.

@LondonSteveLee

Жыл бұрын

The UK runs their F-35Bs WITHOUT the Luneburg lenes which the US say are required to ensure air safety in peace time (ie to make the plane non-stealth) - interestingly RAF pilots have managed to track British F-35Bs (which are more stealthy than F-22) at nearly 90 miles from the cockpits of their Typhoons (obviously this is very biased by aspect) The reality is RADAR technology (particularly RADAR return processing) has essentially defeated so-called stealth. "Stealth" under-performing isn't news to the British - British Type 42 destroyers were tracking F-117As in the Gulf at 140 miles after bored RADAR engineers decided to tune the (ancient analogue 1022L) RADAR parameters to optimise for F-117s to keep themselves amused - until the USAF told them to cut it out as the wailing RWRs were terrifying their pilots! That should have killed the stealth programme there an then - but there was too much money involved and the incident quickly hushed - and that was before DSP advancements caused a giant leap in RADAR return processing. Given all of the above I suspect Luneburg lenes are a way of the US hiding LACK of stealth rather than a safety aid - and they do prevent accurate profiles being built of returns which I guess could be useful. Incidentally the current British Type 45 Destroyers can track the F-35Bs (at altitude) up to their normal full range, 300+ miles. While reducing RCS is always useful, it's no longer worth compromising an aircraft over - or making it prohibitively expensive to maintain. The west should concentrate on better weapons and drones - stealth aircraft are a dead-end folly.

@daltonturner3113

Жыл бұрын

@@LondonSteveLee Source - Trust me bro

7:14 That shot right there, makes a superb wallpaper 👌

Wow what a great video! Alex you are amazing.

Excellent and balanced reasons explaining those training missions and why they are designed the way they are.

I'd like to see a similar comparison between the Typhoon and the F15-E that we have so many of. Or Typhoon v/s Rafale. I think these are more appropriate head-to-heads. I'd also like to see the comparison between the F-16C and the Swedish Gripen. I think it's always useful to compare apples to apples before comparing apples to oranges.

@Slaxok

Жыл бұрын

Yes, This. Honest results/evaluations of the types of aircraft that are likely to fight and, or compete in nations acquiring the aircraft for their defense needs. This story reminds me of India in a flyoff where one type of aircraft was significantly handicapped and some bragging resulted when the predictable results happened. It doesn't help the aircraft evaluation.

@GM-fh5jp

Жыл бұрын

Typhoon V F15 E..no contest...Eagle E is a heavyweight fighter, not gonna win a close in dogfight. F16 v gripen..very close...down to pilot skill

@alfredchurchill2328

Жыл бұрын

The simple fact is that the typhoon has a TWR that’s equal to the f22. But the aero design of the typhoon simply allows it to be more manoeuvrable. A delta wing with a forward canards (unlike rafale/gripen) is literally the best layout for ACM combat. The f-22s design with the same TWR just can’t turn as aggressively. It’s just physics. Add on the extremely good HMS that typhoon has and the ACM engagement becomes kinda one sided. If the typhoon had a typical a2a set up and the f22 had the same. Neither with drop tanks. The typhoon would still win more with everything else being equally (pilot, fuel load etc). A canard we’ll forward on the fuselage is like having a second elevator. The amount of aerodynamic torque you can achieve is greater than any other aircraft out there.

@GM-fh5jp

Жыл бұрын

@@alfredchurchill2328 Wrong. Typhoons were consistantly beaten by F22 in BFM engagements without external fuel tanks at Red Flag.As the video points out the Typhoon had to fight with NO WEAPONS loaded against the F22 with external tanks to win even a few engagements.

@lukealeckson3525

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I'm the same but would also like to see an F14 performance. I hear about how good it is but often wonder how it would stack up against more modern fighters with the same hindering parameters

Rafele pilot - "When you get up close to the F22, there is nothing to fear"

Dude! Very Kool and informative video! U Rock!🤘🤘🤘 happy holidays!

Alex, your videos are so well done. Thank you and keep them coming.

Man, your videos have been excellent lately. Keep it up, I'm loving this stuff!

There’s something poetic about an A-10 flying over during the phrase “a revolution in air power”

Awesome and informative video, thanks for that

Anything can be beaten. The point is, how much do you have to stack the deck against an F-22 to beat it? If the answer is "Quite a bit", that just proves how dominant the F-22 really is.

@octoslut

7 ай бұрын

copium is strong with this one.

@EhM-xt7pl

6 ай бұрын

You're expected to be dominant when you cost twice as much as your competitors.

@SealofPerfection

6 ай бұрын

@@EhM-xt7pl well I guess it meets the expectations then

@danilomarvel5657

6 ай бұрын

COPING @@octoslut

@danilomarvel5657

6 ай бұрын

OF COURSE... and you admited F22 Is two times better than compettitors... simple as that@@EhM-xt7pl

Going into a dogfight in a stealth aircraft it's basically using a F1 car to run an off-road race. Now, ask Eurofighter pilots how many times Eurofighters have been "killed" by F-22 in Red Flag exercises without them knowing they were being shot at.

@Kilo-sz4ch

Жыл бұрын

Ikr 😂, they got a cheap shot on an artificially crippled raptor and they haven’t let it go since

@DroneStrike1776

Жыл бұрын

What I commented was drag racing a fully built twin turbo V8 on autocross tires, you can do it, just don't expect the best times possible. Use it's full potential, throw on slicks. Same with the F22, use it's stealth and hit them before they even know you're there.

@DroneStrike1776

Жыл бұрын

@@Kilo-sz4ch we should remind the Germans what the P-51s did to the BF-109s.

@LondonSteveLee

Жыл бұрын

The UK runs their F-35Bs WITHOUT the Luneburg lenes which the US say are required to ensure air safety in peace time (ie to make the plane non-stealth) - interestingly RAF pilots have managed to track British F-35Bs (which are more stealthy than F-22) at up to 90 miles from the cockpits of their Typhoons. The reality is RADAR technology (particularly RADAR return processing) has essentially defeated stealth. AMRAAMs PK is terrible over 20 miles - 30 if you're lucky enough to have block D - an F-22 would have to get that close to get a viable shot off against Typhoon (and that's at altitude - it would be far worse low down) - Meteor is massively more capable than AMRAAM with much longer burn times - at 30 miles you'd have little chance of escaping Meteor in open airspace where as AMRAAM is easily defendable at that range - indeed Tranche 3 onwards Typhoon will even tell the pilot where and how to fly to defeat the missile (to bleed it of sufficient energy to render it harmless) things have moved on - and improvements in IRST data processing have also almost doubled its range. In other words, in current spec aircraft, the Typhoon pilot has MORE change of seeing F-22 than the other way round BVR. F-22 has hardly changed since it went into production.

@Gearparadummies

Жыл бұрын

@@LondonSteveLee Watch Red Flag results. There's plenty of videos from the Norwegian Air Force speaking about Eurofighter performance against the F-22/35 tandem. Stealth aircraft basically destroy everyone. So, no. Eurofighters don't beat stealth aircraft on a daily basis. BTW, Eurofighter line of production hasn't rolled out any new airplane since 2015. Yes, there are some new contracts, but none of them have been delivered yet. So the "Tranche 3" Eurofighters basically go back to 2009. Some of them have been able to kill artificially stunted F22? Yes. Look up and compare the tallies. Listen to the pilots.

By the way I am not a Eurofighter fan, but some the words you put in their mouths are actually very accurate. Anti- F-22 media portray this as a combat TEST. It was not a test. It was a one sided exercise for training purposes. Probably to train a worst case scenario where F-22 got attacked just after launch (hence drop tanks) with possible system failures and enemy that hypothetically found a way to detect it.

@frankjaeger760

Жыл бұрын

Kind of like in my AC4FA playthroughs and practice. Deliberately keeping heavy gear attached. Note the how the fight with Glint went. Didn't take long after I unloaded.

@jeromeportier4914

7 ай бұрын

So when a Rafale or a Mirage 2000-9 'downed' the F-22, it was a 'one-sided' exercise too, right? The ability of fanboys to magic excuses is without limit...

I just want to say (just started the video) I love the visual excitement of dog fights, the intensity is incredible. I hope that every nation outside of the United States invests heavily into the research and development of dog fighting fighter jets as their main air superiority aircraft.

@nedkeith2669

Жыл бұрын

I like watching knife fights too, but if given a choice I'd pick a good overwatch position behind a scope mounted to sniper rifle at night

Right near the beginning of the video, when it was mentioned that the Raptor still had it's external fuel tanks, I thought: "Oh yeh, this sounds like real combat conditions. NOT". 🤣

I think the main takeaway from the 2012 Red Flag is that fighter pilots have big egos and will always need to brag about their 'kills' if they beat a big dog (even if their team lost 18 other times). ☺

@Just_A_Random_Desk

Жыл бұрын

and when they have every advantage compared to the opponent's disadvantage.

@Mobius118

Жыл бұрын

I know I would, and I say that as a complete Raptor supporter

If the F-22 ever has to get into a dogfight, somebody made a critical mistake.

This is aviation journalism at the highest level.

Very well put together giving all sides of both planes 👍

I had the pleasure of speaking with a retired F-22 pilot at the end of last year. One thing he did mention that thrust vectoring was "....a huge advantage in very limited situations and a likely fatal disadvantage in most others" (paraphrasing a bit but that was pretty much the gist of it). Thrust vectoring works well if you have to create a very tight angle for a gun kill (or an IR missile snap shot)....or if you have really, REALLY screwed up and have a bandit close on your tail, and need to force an overshoot. The F-22 is amazing at acceleration throughout the entire flight regime and is better than just about any other aircraft, but even an F-22 can't overcome a low energy state every time. And interestingly, he did say that the way you fight in an F-22 is so different to that of any early plane, he said something I find amazing: that the world still doesn't have that many true 5th generation pilots able to fully exploit what the plane is capable of in every situation.

@halfspin8

Жыл бұрын

Flight was only invented a little over a century ago. Of course there aren't many 5th generation pilots.

@DrsharpRothstein

Жыл бұрын

We saw the same thing with 14,15,16 aircraft. The teen aircraft provided so much capabilities over any contemporary aircraft it required years for the pilots to develop around the new aircraft.

@DrsharpRothstein

Жыл бұрын

I'd say the lose to the Typhoon 'is' training for 5th generation pilots. They now know what does not work.

@Mobius118

Жыл бұрын

So when pilots have discipline and know when to use it it becomes an incredible asset above what’s normally available to a fighter. Pilot training is critical

@petrairene

Жыл бұрын

Probably because it hasn't gone to combat much to test the training under fire and give the pilots a chance to build a ton of quality flying hours and experiene. With all those very modern fighters, in peace times, the pilots get two or three flights of one or two hours a week because the flight hours on these things are so damn expensive. That's not much if you want to become really good at something. A Super Hornet pilot with a ton of combat experience is probably more effective flying the plane to its maximum capability.

This has got to be one of the most unbiased and objective videos I've seen on this exact topic. No Raptor bashing or Typhoon Bashing. Just a clear objective chat. Top marks! Its quite interesting, but it is somewhat academic since these aircraft would never face off against one another in a real world scenario since all countries involved are Nato members.

This has probably been mentioned, and it was implied in the video, but this was a training exercise-for our allies as well as for the USAF. And since it’s plausible that Typhoons could face off against Russia’s and/or China’s latest super-maneuverable and lowest obsevability fighters they need to learn what advantages they have and what weaknesses of their opponents they can exploit. It’s pretty expensive to send a detachment of fighters halfway around the world, it’d be bonkers to think they’d do it if the rules just relegated them to the role of clay pigeons. Also, it’s easy to lose sight of the fact that if there ever is large scale air to air combat (fervently hope that remains forever hypothetical) these two platforms are going to be teammates and not opponents. Knowing each other’s strengths and weaknesses will always help them be more effective teammates.

@petrairene

Жыл бұрын

Well, you can't stealth the heat signature of so called stealth plane. So really good infrared for detection and missles is probably the way to go.

@mrcaboosevg6089

4 ай бұрын

Russia doesn't have any 5th gen fighters though, most of what they have are 4th gen nothing like the F22

@jayscott8583

3 ай бұрын

@@petrairene actually you can by dispersing it... UH 60's have a system on it to do just that as does the F22.

One very big takeaway that was not mentioned is that those F-22 pilots were new…

@Mobius118

Жыл бұрын

Was hoping to see someone mention that fact

Good point, that of your aircraft has never lost in an exercise, you aren't pushing it as hard as you need to. You won't find out the weaknesses and find ways to mitigate them. You are less prepared for battle

WELL DONE REVIEW OF THE FACTS. Thank you for sharing.

Txs for another fantastic video..in case u havnt ,any chance u can make a video rafeal vs typhoon??tx u

Thanks for explaining the nuances of air combat to your average enthusiasts 👍🏼

This is similar to the F-35 Fighting against F-16s. The 35 was prototype aircraft without its Stealth coatings and its sensors were software limited. Both aircraft were fighting with one arm and a leg tied behind its back. .

Just a short notice: Seeing these aircrafts flying WITH each other and flying against each other only for training is the best aspect. I have great respect for both fighters and their skillful pilots. I am looking forward to see American and German jets together again for the upcoming generations as well as a part and proof of our nations friendship.

@cana0

3 ай бұрын

Indeed. Also worth adding that the Eurofighter Typhoon isn't just a german plane; it was a combined project for Germany, Italy, UK and Spain

I'm an old ground pounder, but I love knowing those guys are up there, and can keep the monsters at bay

These scenarios amount to 'could a swordsman kill a sniper'. Sure, if you let him get in close enough. In reality, the question becomes 'how many swordsman do you need to take down a sniper'. And even that is still probably more fair than Raptor vs 4th gen fighters.

Some things are very misunderstood about stealth in general. “Stealth” aircraft cannot be designed invisible to all radar so most, all I know of, are focused on denying the opposition 1 specific thing - A weapons grade lock. As the name implies it’s simply a radar lock, usually from a higher frequency radar on another fighter, that can be used to guide ordinance to the target. Most ground search radars are large low-frequency units that don’t have trouble detecting and tracking (not locking) stealth aircraft so an aircraft that was data-linked in the area would know about the presence and location of said low observable aircraft there just wouldn’t be much it could do about it.

I want to know the story of how a Warthog won! Liberally upstairs out laughing when you said that. Love it.

Thanks for another GREAT video. I'm a big Typhoon fan!

I might be the worlds biggest raptor fan but I loved this video for putting some well needed perspective into the community as a whole. yes the raptor is capable of things once deemed impossible in aviation but no one wins every time. Great great content!

@mrorange3490

Жыл бұрын

Sorry, but you are 100% wrong. What happened here is that they made the raptor take a knife to a gunfight. It was not realistic at all

I think having a situation where the odds are unfairly snacked against the f22 is really good training for those pilots who could be in a real world situation where the rules aren't fair so it's a great training experience 🤷🏻‍♂️

Great unbiased commentary.

Great post.

Would love to hear your wrap up of the Pitch Black exercise Australia hosted this year. There’s not heaps of readily available information but would love to know what you can glean. Sounds like the Australian F35s mopped up

@oldmayyyte

Жыл бұрын

@D sweet talking point! Keep spruiking RT.

The euro fighter I love the design of that jet, and I would love to see it fly. I think what we can truly take away from this is that both fighters are quite a formidable opponent and you wouldn’t want to tangle with them. I do think it is very unusual that they would put external fuel tanks on the raptor though, because the planes like the KC 135, there’s really no need for them. And I just happen to live by one of the top 10 emergency military hubs that Air Force One uses and is also sometimes used for fighter training. And one day around March I think it was of 2021 it was an F 22 that came in and it was having some problems with its avionics so it ran some test by doing a series of touching goes around the airport. There were no external fuel tanks on that thing then. It was fully armed, though you could tell by the engine loading. But it was pretty wild having a raptor flying around my house at a low altitude..

Awesome 😎 sandbox. 👍

Well said and balanced. The important thing is the lessons learnt

Others have mentioned it, but I can confirm that I've talked to a few F-22 pilots and plenty of Air Force members - and they've all stated that they aren't allowed to use their full capabilities in friendly exercises. No exceptions are allowed for this rule. Even allies aren't allowed to know what they're fully capable of.

@atoriusv5070

Жыл бұрын

Not to mention that the Eurofighters only scored kills in a contrived situation where they magically teleported within visual range on a severely handicapped tanked out F-22, which is utter nonsense. In a battlefield, you have to approach your enemy. And in every single instance of that situation for this simulated combat event the Eurofighters got wiped out - by their own admission (I'm absolutely confident that they got hit by a missile without even detecting a radar signature). The Eurofighters can only hold out against an F-22 when they have nothing but their main gun with 125 rounds, start at close visual range, and the Raptor has fuel tanks heavily affecting their performance + stealth. That's like bragging you beat a world champ in a boxing match when he had massive lead weights strapped to his arms and legs, and you got a free first hit without him being allowed to block it. Utter fantasy land bragging. This is also ignoring the elephant in the room, which is the insanely terrifying electronic warfare equipment on the F-22. They're obviously not allowed to use those on friendly allied planes in simulated dogfights.

@petrairene

Жыл бұрын

Or they are told to tell this story to keep the enemy guessing... After all, if they have a capability, they have to train it somewhere and if it's trained it is seen by someone so it will leak out eventually what this is about.

@MrPainfulTruth

Жыл бұрын

Plot twist - the same may be true for the typhoon, no? Stop making excuses you sound like a boyband fanboy

@petrairene

Жыл бұрын

@@MrPainfulTruth Exactly. I would assume that all of the very modern military tech has aspects and capabilities that the people using it are not allowed to disclose in any way, shape or form. Not even by publicly displaying them at an exercise where enemy agents may have access. After all, a large air war exercise is never exclusively over secure military territory. Enemy agents can watch it, too.

@fadfauziug8146

Жыл бұрын

Ever thought about the fact that not only US pilots have that kind of rule

The only disadvantage for the F-22 was having its external fuel tanks. That's a weird choice, almost hard to believe. But let's assume it's true. Dogfights are still likely to happen in real conflicts. And F-22 designers knew it very well. So, simulating a dogfight is NOT a disadvantage for the F-22. It's part of the fighting envelope. And if, as you mentioned, the Eurofighter lacked its smart helmet and IR seeker, that was a BIGBIGBIG advantage for the F-22. The lack of those technologies more than outweighs the external fuel tanks handicap. All in all, the F-22 is a better weapon. But in a dogfight i'd rather be in a Eurofighter.

@stevem2323

Жыл бұрын

And you would be dead, you are naive if yout think Raptors showed everything they can even to allies. And external tanks are big big big big dissadvantage.

@jorehir

Жыл бұрын

​@@stevem2323 Maybe you don't realize how much of an advantage is being able to track the enemy with your helmet. The enemy aircraft may be way off your nose, but you could still track it and strike it with something like an IRIS-T. This effectively neutralizes any agility advantage that the F-22 may have, which is the only advantage of the F-22 in a dogfight. Or do you think the F-22 is some sort of alien spacecraft which can "somehow" survive anything and kill everything?

@stevem2323

Жыл бұрын

@@jorehir As far as i know, Raptors helmet at the time wasn't even close to the F 35-one. Also, external tanks are easy spot to see that they deliberately hardened to Raptor those scenarios. I think the point was let's put Raptors pilots through maximally non comfort zone. Also, let's face it, I'm pretty sure US Air force likes that Raptor has that aura around him or being overhyped and beatable, they ain't gonna export it, so let's make enemies guessing.

@jorehir

Жыл бұрын

@@stevem2323 "As far as i know, Raptors helmet at the time wasn't even close to the F 35-one" That's what i'm saying. On the contrary, the Eurofighter is designed to operate with an advanced helmet (although it seems it was not yet implemented back then). In nominal conditions, the Eurofighter would enjoy such advantage and the F-22 would not. Also, again in nominal conditions, the Eurofighter would use its IRST. That is capable of detecting a fighter (including stealth fighters) at over 100km. Plenty to keep track of an F-22 during a dogfight. BTW, the F-22 has no IRST.

@stevem2323

Жыл бұрын

@@jorehir Yeah but it was a huge disadvantage for Raptor too to have it, you can't excuse that, with that helmet Raptor would be even more deadly. I remember reading about those exercise later on, on forums, US pilots dismissed that with laugh, it's pretty clear they were there to maximally test the Raptor, in a real shooting war no one has any real chances against him.

I love how you threw that Teddy pun !

7:40 By the way: This gun is a revolver gun. It has the upper hand on the gatling since the gatling needs a specific time for the barrels to spin. The Mauser BK does not need this and brings more mass per second in the first triggerpull than the gatling - which is in the long run less but was all enough for the normal 1 second passing of jets. So the 150 rounds of the BK are as equal in effectiveness as the 480 of the M61.

I'd really like to hear your take on a simulated 5th gen vs 5th gen platform fight. The more I think about it I feel like it's just going to be two planes looking for each other for hours and if they ever do find each other they will be to close for BVR so with all this reliance on BVR fights at the end of the day it's just going to turn in to a dogfight anyway. Seriously thought I'd love to hear your take on it!

@boijone8440

Жыл бұрын

Theres only really one 5th gen plane though, the f35. Its gonna take a while for enough to exist that another red flag makes sense

@tylermaruca975

Жыл бұрын

@@boijone8440 f22 in my opinion was the original 5th generation fighter correct me if I'm wrong and actually with many NATO countries purchasing f35s and I'm pretty sure Germany is planning on adding the f35 to their arsenal on top of their euro fighters I could see a new red flag exercise in the near future

@t74guard78

Жыл бұрын

The only true 5th gen vs 5th gen fighters that can happen now is between the F-22 and the F-35. The Su57 and the J-20 are not true 5th gen fighters. The Raptors and Lightning II can see them on radar pretty far away and shot them out of the skies without breaking a sweat

Flawed battle test.

@Just_A_Random_Desk

Жыл бұрын

like the test f-35 vs a clean viper

just glad we’re on the same team, healthy competition however leads to great innovation

When it is actual combat, not an aerial exercise the F-22 is the worst possible opponent could have to fight.

I'd love to see an F-16 go against one of those Typhoons.

@stevetrott1253

Жыл бұрын

That’s happened - typhoon overall better ..

@brianfalls5038

Жыл бұрын

@@stevetrott1253 The F-16 is a great plane but that Typhoon is no slouch either. A very worthy opponent to say the least. Especially with a pilot that knows what he/she is doing. I don't have anything bad to say about the Typhoon

@stevetrott1253

Жыл бұрын

@@brianfalls5038 I think the edge comes from head mounted site and performance if your talking WVR , if your talking BVR - the typhoon has the meteor missile which is best long range air to missile in the world .. But they will be supporting each other in the conflict 👍

Another great video from Alex. I think the F-22 was put at an artificial disadvantage in those fights. The Typhoon is at least half a generation behind. Having said that, the Typhoon's FLIR is something that the Raptor lacks and probably needs.

@mikedittsche

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@cis this The Eurofighter is not being replaced. Germany has some 180 Eurofighters in the air superiority role and multimission role. It also uses the older Tornados in a Bomber and electronic warfare role. Only the few Tornados which are designatad to carry the American B61 nuclear bomb are being replaced by 35 F-35s. The other Tornados are being replaced by newly built Eurofighters of the updated Tranche 4. The Eurofighters will remain in service until at least 2040 and will be replaced by the German-French-Spanish developed 6th generation fighter FCAS (Future Combat Air System).

@RDROff

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@cis this I was under the impression that Germany intended to keep the EF through 2040-2060 and use the EF and F-35 in complimentary roles, where the F-35 would effectively serve as their strike fighter used to penetrate enemy airspace and, if needed, deliver thermonuclear warheads, and the EF would continue their air superiority/interceptor roles?

@23GreyFox

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I don't understand why we should buy a American plane, when we should build our own.

@ThaWolfX

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@@23GreyFox the simple answer is, USA doesn't allow European Frames to use their Nato Nukes

@t74guard78

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@@23GreyFox If you guys could of you would of but you can't so you haven't. Understand now? You do understand the cost and technology that goes into a stealth fighter program don't you? America is really the only country that has both money and the tech to be successful at it. Even if someone in Europe finally developed one, they will only be able to build a couple dozen at best. The US has been in the developing and deploying stealth aircraft business for 40 years now. When it comes to stealth programs, the US is the only country to have graduated college while the rest of the world is still in grade school. I don't understand why the US even sells it's stuff to a bunch of ungrateful people. Oh that's right, so Russia or China won't kick their ass and inslave them. Well not so much Russia anymore. They can't even beat a next door neighbor let alone one a few countries away. You have a nice day now.

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In international exercises F-22A, F-35ABC's have reduced radar capabilities, reduced G limits and increased radar signature.

The most interesting part of all of this to me is that these German pilots know that the training scenarios stacked everything against the Raptor, that the Raptor still won the majority of the engagements, and yet they're still puffing up their chests anyway. I would expect more from a fighter pilot than that.

@pixytorres7117

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@Espiritu Phantom Typhoon is not even that good as they make it to be. Rafale are more dangerous and true competitors to F22. There have been pilots of Rafael that won against F22.

@paulochikuta330

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if you can force the raptor to drop its fuel tanks for fear of being shot down, you're preventing it from being able to carry out its mission. Its not quite a kill, but its still a success.

@delfinenteddyson9865

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well, you can put yourself in their shoes: if the raptors won most of the time, the times they managed to get a win feels really rewarding; I can't blame them to be happy about it.

@DerethAC

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@Espiritu Phantom I actually lived in Germany for eight years.

@DerethAC

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@@paulochikuta330 The odds of the F-22 being used in such a way in combat where it would be carrying external fuel tanks is extremely low. That's what the F-35 is for. Raptors would be used to sweep the air of enemy aircraft.

Excellent deep analysis. Difference in gear is actually needed on the battlefield. Like chess.

No matter how tough you are, there is always someone tougher.