Filmed with a beer bottle

@perrydaplatpus23

3 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@into_the_void

3 жыл бұрын

Potato

@str8nupflyrite

2 жыл бұрын

*Jerimiah Weed bottle

@Odin197188

2 жыл бұрын

This was state of the art video tape at the time

@krotchlickmeugh627

2 жыл бұрын

They never release the actual footage. They had 4k back then.

Imagine how strong the actuators are to overcome the incredible forces of thrust. Amazing system.

@haljohnson6947

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I looked at one up close and I still didn't understand. It can hold all the thrust pressures and it can slide effortlessly and I didn't even really see any big servos or hydraulics

@haljohnson6947

2 жыл бұрын

... not to mention the whole thing is hotter than a branding iron and it still works

@aratherbluemicroscope5991

2 жыл бұрын

@@haljohnson6947 aerospace engineers are a different breed

@Sahadi420

2 жыл бұрын

Remember, the weakest part of the modern fighter jet.....is the pilot. LOL

@odemu2074

Жыл бұрын

I'm not worried about the actuators as much as I am the atmosphere is uses

I was one of the original Jr engineers on the F119 engine in 91. My first project for P&W was the F119 actuators for the nozzles. My dad at the time was a Sr engineer and was the F119 materials coordinator and the lead Thermodynamicist and Metallurgist for the project. After all the testing it worked out that using a 2D nozzle with a large rudder could do everything a 3D nozzle can do and do it without the extreme amount of drag, extra weight and complexity of making it stealthy.

@ivanzlatar2445

3 жыл бұрын

Hence the F22

@EstorilEm

2 жыл бұрын

Pretty incredible, even today Russia and China can’t figure out how to build an engine with the same thrust:weight ratio, much less the size and reliability. The 119 is definitely an amazing engine even today.

@francesray6465

2 жыл бұрын

@@EstorilEm Janes did a review of Ukraine technology, and they are said to be very advanced. Thusly China is courting Ukraine. US and PUTIN not too happy

@nikelinq2899

7 ай бұрын

@@francesray6465 Ukraine doesn't develop their own technology, and who the heck is Janes?

It was an incredibly expensive and complex system to employ and would have been a little difficult to maintain. Retrofitting such systems is actually really difficult. Better to use a few old jets to test with and design such a system from the beginning into your next generation of fighters.

@Turboy65

2 жыл бұрын

Wrong. Unit cost to retrofit the system to either GE or P&W equipped jets was projected to be 1 million a copy.

@Skank_and_Gutterboy

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly, this isn't something that you'd want to outfit your F-22 or F-35 to go do. Edwards has been testing F-15s and F-16s doing this stuff for a long time, there's a lot of knowledge there that went into the newer jets. I don't know about this particular jet but Edwards has F-16s that are A-models with really old tail numbers, like from literally the very early 80s. There's a prevailing myth that all of the A-model F-16s are gone. No they're not, there's some A-model test birds out there.

@Skank_and_Gutterboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@Turboy65 No, you're wrong. What's the cost of crashing an F-22 or F-35 vs. an F-16? When an F-16 crashes, it's a $30 million dollar loss. An F-22 or F-35 is 3-4 times that cost and you're trashing a brand-new frontline jet instead of a legacy F-16 that already has 35 or 40 years on it..

@Turboy65

2 жыл бұрын

@@Skank_and_Gutterboy Sorry, you're totally off base here. I've read everything that was every released to the public about the MATV program and it was deemed to be a success and the cost estimation for both P&W and GE variant systems for both retrofits and new production were completed. Cost at the time, early 90s, was projected at 1 million per copy and the mechanical systems were really not very complicated. And you're not comparing costs in adjusted dollars.

@invertedv12powerhouse77

2 жыл бұрын

I think the f16/15/18 all had these upgrades tested

Lots of comments, but no one mentions the Chinese writing.

@AJCsr

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly !

@utley

4 жыл бұрын

@@AJCsr thinking its japanese

@guyjonson6364

4 жыл бұрын

For copycatting

@JamaaLS

4 жыл бұрын

Laugh's in Chinese

@kospencer1

4 жыл бұрын

Traditional Chinese subtitle, video is probably ripped from a Taiwanese TV channel.

We’re in a flat spin Goose!

@shotigerola4065

4 жыл бұрын

Maverick! Is that you?

@v1r6

4 жыл бұрын

Shoti Gerola yes

@knightlife98

4 жыл бұрын

It reminded me of Top Gun, as well! Poor Goose.....

Wow, finally a video of the MATV actually doing something, i've been looking for this kind of footage for a long time, great vid. Got any of the F-15s/MTD?

imagine if ALL F16s worldwide got this as an upgrade?

@Agm1995gamer

6 жыл бұрын

Buster Dallas waste of money. Only good for airshows.

@FikriKawakibi

6 жыл бұрын

Yeah, then f 35 would have even worse demand...

@lees.4084

6 жыл бұрын

Muhammad Fikri Kawakibi Huda No it woudnt. The F-35 has its U.S. production line booked for the foreseeable future, over 300 built and counting, and the Italian assembly plant will be busy for a very long time too.

@morteparla6926

5 жыл бұрын

Would be pointless on the F-16, which is why they never produced anyway with it. The plane is so light and aerodynamically sound, it out turns any other fighter in the world, and turns like it's on train tracks. If you watch other planes, it's almost like they "drift" in high-g turns.... Not the F-16. It's insane. The best video showing it is here on KZread titles "AGGRESSIVE F-16 DEMO !!!" Watch it, then try to find any video of any other jer fighter that turns like that. One doesn't exist.

@anti8360

5 жыл бұрын

@@morteparla6926 Swedish Jas 39 Gripens had a 15:1 against F-16 in last Red Flag in the US. kzread.info/dash/bejne/eJWOtqevZLjSgaw.html

The flaps move in such an organic way

This happened in 93-94 for everyone commenting like this just happened.

Whoa, if the F-16 is already an agile and capable fighter, thrust vectoring literally takes it to a whole new level!

@technicallynothing841

2 жыл бұрын

Lost 18-1 against MiG 29

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@technicallynothing841 then again they're two entirely different aircraft with almost completely different flight styles. the mig 29 is known for its high alpha pulls and nimbility, along with its decent rate speed to outrun whatever it cant outturn. if you want a good comparison for that, it's the F15.

@technicallynothing841

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheArcticFoxxo 29 has better AoA and attack then F16 so it's not a *whole new level*

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@technicallynothing841 though the F16 has almost 6dg/s better rate time than the mig 29. so literally the same differences between the F15 and F16

@technicallynothing841

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheArcticFoxxo F16 rates better the MIG 29??! Dunno where you got that from

Who thought it was a Concord

@RaveSharrma

4 жыл бұрын

Only you!

@Gamerboy-gy1rl

4 жыл бұрын

@@RaveSharrma 49 other people seen the thumbnail and thought it was a Concord

@Captndarty

4 жыл бұрын

SAVION WELLS prove it

@caminomanair1830

3 жыл бұрын

The concorde has a delta wing the f16 has a separate elevator

@myusername3689

3 жыл бұрын

@@caminomanair1830 The air around the F-16 gives an illusion that looks like a concorde.

the silent eagle needs this up grade

@class2instructormcbone502

6 жыл бұрын

Canada needs to buy the silent eagle!

@AsG_4_

5 жыл бұрын

They researched it.. f15 smtd

@LRRPFco52

4 жыл бұрын

There never was, nor will there ever be a Silent Eagle.

@edwinalexis593

3 жыл бұрын

F-15EX*

Cool toy, had that thing in the hangar I used to work in for its maintenance rotation, pity they didn't mass produce them...

It’s nice to know that all the “Glamour Shots” photographers from the early 90’s found work!

I bet I can spin my plane like a frisbee. No you can't. Hold my beer. *Films the whole thing with the bottle*

When 5ge F22 first came out, I pulled a hammerhead against two simulated aggressors and took both out with the cannon. The instructor just sat speechless for the next 10 minutes or so.

@czoom51

2 жыл бұрын

Okay pal.

@fim-43redeye31

Жыл бұрын

@@czoom51 Maybe they were both speechless about the F-22's performance. I know I would be.

F16 doing the Cobra maneuver in 1993 Wow vectoring nozzles would made this the best fighter jet in the world.

@PickettLP7

3 жыл бұрын

F-22 and F-35 enter the chat

@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM

2 жыл бұрын

@@PickettLP7 : Then the F35, quickly fucks off because it relises it can't do the "Cobra"

@RainKing048

2 жыл бұрын

@@THE-BUNKEN-DRUM more like the F-35 has no need for cobra because it already killed the bandit before visual range lol

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@RainKing048 using what, it's 4 missiles that can barely track a target without having a seizure?

@RainKing048

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheArcticFoxxo you do realize missiles can pull much more Gs than any fighter, right?

Never understood why this wasn’t used, the F16 is a superb aircraft this would have made it twice the plane it is now

@masonwilliamson5388

2 жыл бұрын

cost most likely, but they’re paying for fuckin f-35s they may as well use the money they get from selling it to make this, call it the f-16EX and give it the treatment the f-15s getting rn

@joostdriesens3984

2 жыл бұрын

The necessity for this kind of agility is decreasing considering the engagement distances of beyond visual range modern air battles. The newest fighter aircraft have 360 deg detect and attack capabilities. Always thought F16 is a super cool aircraft though :-)

@Skank_and_Gutterboy

2 жыл бұрын

@@masonwilliamson5388 The cost of these jets gets bitched about by an anti-military press that has been opposed to every new weapon system since the F-4. Sure the F-15 and F-16 cost $30 million--IN 1976 MONEY. If you put that into an inflation calculator and set it for 2020, it's about what you'd see today in the cost of F-22 and F-35. The unit cost for the F-35 is actually LOWER than F-15E Strike Eagle, another little factoid that the media likes to forget. For the insane increase in capability, I don't know how a person could say that it isn't worth it. The media, when bitching about how expensive defense is, they purposely lie-by-omission by not mentioning that GW Bush bailed out the banks to the tune of $400 billion. That is the cost of 100 CVN aircraft carriers. Notice they never wanna talk about how much welfare costs, which absolutely dwarfs the defense budget. As for buying the F-16EX and giving it the F-15 treatment, that's pretty much what is happening right now now that finally the two are not competitors since F-22 and F-35 are the big boys on the block now. The F-16 is not rolling off the assembly line, that's all. Why? Because Lockheed is not selling them to the US government, that's the only reason. The last F-16 was sold to USAF in 2006 and that won't change unless something really extraordinary happens. So the current F-16s are getting brand new bulkheads and other brand new structural "backbone" components that set the fatigue life back to zero, so you're getting damn near a brand new airplane. The F-16 has FINALLY started getting the APG-83 AESA radar that the F-15 has and the F-16 pilots are positively on fire about what a game-changer it is for F-16. Here's the dirty little secret about F-15 and F-16 regarding politics. The F-15 has always been the fair-haired boy in the halls of Congress and the offices of the big wingding generals, which means that the F-16 has always been hobbled a little bit so that it doesn't in any way jeopardize the F-15's future. The 16 always had to live with an inferior radar, not as much money as F-15 for upgrades, and even PR for F-16 has always had the volume turned down. One example: it gets touted from the rooftops that the F-15 has a perfect record air-to-air. So does the F-16 with one exception--some shitty inferior islamic country that shouldn't even have F-16s (Pakistan) lost ONE in an air-to-air engagement, who knows where and who cares anyway? So to the world, the F-15 is the air-to-air king and the F-16 is running with the pack, which is total crap. The F-16's record is even more remarkable considering 28 countries fly it in far more engagements and it has far and away more flight hours than F-15 (F-16 has a total 11.4 million flight hours vs. F-15's 6.9 million flight hours; the F-16 has 40% more flight hours and is he real workhorse of the fleet). Here's another dirty little secret: the F-16 is faster than F-15 down on the deck but that was never allowed to be said except among F-16 guys over a beer. When it was proven to be true in the early 80s in testing and the F-16 community wanted to go for the official record, the Pentagon blew a gasket screaming, "NOOOOOO!!!! And don't ever ask again!!!!"

@Theo-vn9hm

2 жыл бұрын

The F-16 is supposed to be a relatively low cost fighter, adding such an engine would be very expensive, and kill the point of the F-16, for very little real world application. Dogfighting is essentially dead, fighters today retain maneuverability not to dogfight primarily, but to evade missiles, respond and reposition quickly during BVR combat. The advantages of a thrust vectoring engine are not worth the increased cost for the F-16 when it comes to BVR maneuverability. The F-22 is a special case, that plane was the US essentially saying "how can we make an aircraft that will dominate any other fighter no matter the circumstance?".

@ux3sty

2 жыл бұрын

By the us airforce doctrine there is no usage of such maneuver. It basically can give you opportunity to make first shot on the enemy plane, but if you miss it you put yourself in disadvantage because you lost lots of speed while enemy didn't. Considering that close combat dogfights probably would be rare since there are rockets that can be fired at distances like 50+ miles, they decide that there is no need for over engineering. However russians decide that its good to have this first shot opportunity and install thrust vectoring on every fighter since su-27. Hope we will never finds out who was right.

Look Boris, The U.S. and Germany developed a 3 axis thrust vectoring system for the X-31, (the body is similar to the European Typhoon), the extreme maneuverability took place in 1990. The MIG29OVT received the OVT collimators AFTER 1991. So I can only assume that 1990 took place before 1991. The multiple leaf collimator like the one on Mig29OVT was installed at a later date on the F16 and F15 ACTIVE.

The hammerhead. I love it. That's gotta be just about the pinnacle of manoeuvres

@Dudeman9339

2 жыл бұрын

and the fastest way to get shot down in a dogfight.

@uwuowo4856

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dudeman9339 lol makes u sitting duck?

@ffktrc

2 жыл бұрын

actually it's name - Kulbit (also Frolov's Chakra) :))) and MIG-29 OVT make it double...

@ffktrc

2 жыл бұрын

@@Dudeman9339 how you stop to shoot? you fly away on five hundred knots...

russia, your welcome once again.

@stopbeingapatheticbitch8628

4 жыл бұрын

I know right! But but but my su57000000000000

@bbqsauce875

4 жыл бұрын

I can do same with forklift.!

@stopbeingapatheticbitch8628

4 жыл бұрын

Butt hurt grammer nazi detected.

@Make-Asylums-Great-Again

4 жыл бұрын

Not a new concept.

@Youtubeforcedmetochangemyname

4 жыл бұрын

@Greg Moonen what do you mean I do it on purpose most of the time just to bring out grammar nazis read my pic i think its hilarious to do

THAT is cool Video has come a long way

Sickest thing I ever seen done with a plan only seen it in a video game

The Raptors 2D works in the pitch mode, it works along with the F-22's huge rudders (the Raptors maneuvering surfaces are twice as big as other fighters) it works just as well as a "3D" nozzle. The rudders control 100% of the yaw during the maneuvering so, you don't need the extra weight or complexity of a 3D system. Ever seen the F-22 do a J turn? Research it, KZread's 500 words wont let me explain it in detail without posting dozens of comments. To tired And I work for P&W.

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

the main difference is in a complete loss of flight the rudders are next to useless, given it needs a minimum of 80kmh to direct the plane in even a sluggish manner, in which 3 dimensional vectoring can do it at any speed as long as you don't encounter a rotational compressor stall

from the same article u sent : "The US fighter jet of the fifth generation, F-22 Raptor, is a very strong weapon. However, one should not overestimate its abilities. It is radar-detectable and it is destructible, no matter what they might say."

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

a simple RWR system can easily detect an F22 based on signal strength and wavelength alone, plus a simple array of receivers can detect it if used properly

i never thought i would watch a video in 14p

Thrust vectoring is awesome 👌

A plane with thrust vectoring and canards can literally do flips in mid-air, as the Russians have proven.

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@noidontthinksolol unless it goes down to a fight with IR missiles

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@noidontthinksolol and again, thats a what if situation. without what if situations there will only be failures due to pilot error and a limited amount of dats

@moritzaufenanger2537

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheArcticFoxxo bro youre the guy doing Thrust vectoring like stuff in the Mig19S o7

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@moritzaufenanger2537 oh, a war thunder player i see? o7

Man that video quality tho XD

@mikemooney1757

3 жыл бұрын

They filmed it with a flip phone.

It’s crazy this video didn’t leak from this country, damn Solarwinds

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

what?

Man, way ahead of our friends.

Watched a F-35 demo a few months ago, and it did a lot of these maneuvers except a full cobra. Pretty impressive they can get a 35 to do all that without thrust vectoring. Unless they're doing off axis fuel injecting after the turbines to get off axis thrust.

@RainKing048

2 жыл бұрын

The only thing that pushes the F-35 is its single exhaust from the F135. It's just a matter of better understanding of flight dynamics and advancements in control systems. The F-35 also has surface controls that can move a lot so it's something that further helps.

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

from what i've seen from its engine it doesnt have any post fan reheating.

Filmed in stunning 180p!!

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

for the 1980s-90s i'd say this is decent.

awesome! I Didnt know The Program Was That Amazing

@mistyshirks38

4 жыл бұрын

They've done alot of this but it isn't practical and a waste of money and unnecessary stress on airframe simply got radar and missle tech makes it pointless to move like that

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@mistyshirks38 radar and "missile tech" that's barely changed in the last 60 years and is still easily avoidable, but hey, what's an IR missile for anyway, right?

just like the NASA's Dryden Flight Research Center,The most prominent features of the two-seat F-15 were the canards ahead of the wings and the multi-axis thrust-vectoring engine exhaust nozzles

This is what the f-18, f-16, f-15 and f-35 really needed.

@blankmoment2

7 жыл бұрын

no its not

Only the F-22 were equipped with thrust vectoring but not multi axis, but only up and down. Only The SUs and Migs uses multi axis

@syntiy5737

4 жыл бұрын

Well it's more than just up and down since they can both move in different directions at the same time

It's appropriate this video features the F-16 to match its sixteen pixels.

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

and 1 pixel for each meter of its engine

What documentary is this from? Is it the same one which features the Su-37? What is the name of it?

I wouldnt exactly say that continuing in the direction you were going due to momentum flying backwards I also wouldnt call that part controlled so much as planned if it were to fly backwards any longer and it wouldn't be controllable still cool to watch though

@starfighter1043

2 жыл бұрын

When he did the flip for a moment he wasn't going in the same direction...also you're saying it wasn't controlled but if he had gon just a lil further he would of lost control? Then that would mean he had it under control...lol 🤦‍♂️☠️ youtube pilots ha, tou probably don't even play war thunder 🤣 talking bout it's uncontrollable and he didn't fly backwards...when's the last time you saw a plane do ANY of thkse maneuvers in real life

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

I mean, compressor stalls can be controlled and give you an entire reversal of all thrust through the engine, even if scaled down by 1/10-1/26th of the power (depending on engines), even then itll still give you a solid 5-10kN

Amazing how the big mig29 and variants seem to do these maneuvres without effort and the nimbler and agile F16 seems cumbersome

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

the mig 29 is one of the lighter and smaller variants of russian planes, and thrust vectoring was only installed on later variants such as the M line of fighters and the 35. if you want a plane that can pull off magic, look at sukhoi.

@craigullman6129

2 жыл бұрын

You forgot or neglected to mention that the F16 has won every encounter and dogfight against the Mig 29...

@OriginalNortad

2 жыл бұрын

@@craigullman6129 what? 2 Mig 29?... And one of them a first world pilot against some soviet hand-me-down first gen. with some jambrony at the wheel?

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@craigullman6129 not every, but ok

Rest in peace we still have at least 15 years on them though

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

what?

Finally I can pull off that red tails maneuver. In my Ace combat 7 plane in real life

The MiG-15 is believed to have been one of the most numerous jet aircraft ever made, with over 12,000 built. Licensed foreign production perhaps raised the total to over 18,000. The Mig-15 is often mentioned along with the F-86 Sabre in lists of the best fighter aircraft of the Korean War and in comparison with fighters of other eras.

@a1steaksausy42

2 жыл бұрын

are you suggesting that the mig-15 should be outfitted with a nozzle like this? cause if you are i agree wholeheartedly

@Antoncheg77

2 жыл бұрын

@@a1steaksausy42 The MIG-15 glider is unlikely to withstand such abuse of its nature, unfortunately!

@a1steaksausy42

2 жыл бұрын

@@Antoncheg77 yeah true, but to be honest considering that a commenter from more than a decade ago replied to my comment i'm feeling like anything's possible. i feel honored

Back when Discovery channel was actually good.

Great. I'll buy one today!

How would you rate the flight model realistically on a scale of 1-10 to the real life aircraft

F-35 can shoot missiles to the rear or any direction making thrust vectoring irrelevant. Thrust vectoring machinery results in heavier weight and greater drag reducing mission performance. Thrust vectoring is useful in slow flight resulting in the craft to drop or loose altitude, esp if turning sideways, that is not a good thing in air combat. But the U.S. philosophy is to have greater energy during air to air combat in which thrust vectoring is almost negligible. Russians think more in terms of home defense requiring less long-range missions and flash performance for news coverage and world admiration.

@sh0ckv3l33

7 жыл бұрын

Its actually a feature of any HOBS missiles guided via HMD cue-ing, not a feature of the aircraft per se. The superbugs can do that aswell, next in line is F22 once increment 4.5 gets deployed.

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

F35 can shoot a missile in any direction that the seeker head can maintain a lock from, making anything past a 120deg. FOV almost impossible to see. this is why thrust vectoring is useful, as you can achieve a much better AoA when needed to pull the enemy into view of the seeker so it can be slaved and launched. this is also why in almost every merge pilots are taught to fire a missile in the very beginning of the merge, as the missile has a chance to hold a lock as the other plane turns, allowing it to turn and hit the enemy without you needing to do anything. if the enemy doesnt decide to turn, who cares. the missile self detonates and you still have more

yes, kick off and play.... pride Salute/... Buy now.... Boom bbcde... Appreciate with respect...

I love my twenty years working on this plane.

Awesome! That has to be hard on an airframe.

@nocalsteve

2 жыл бұрын

The airplane is virtually stopped. There’s no way to induce any G-loading on the plane.

@nigel900

2 жыл бұрын

@@nocalsteve I wasn’t referring to the “stopped” part…

We definitely should have equipped the F-16 fleet with this. It gave the MATV demonstrator agility not matched even by the F-22.

@AsG_4_

5 жыл бұрын

With a loss of energy... Your left in a vulnerable position... It's not one on one ... There's other jets and air defense

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@AsG_4_ little to no loss of energy if used when it's supposed to, and with the TtW of the F16 you can get back up to mach in a solid 20 seconds

@Turboy65

2 жыл бұрын

@@AsG_4_ Being able to get a boresight lock on an enemy aircraft is how you win a missile fight. Used appropriately the thrust vectoring F-16 would have been literally 20 to 25 years ahead of all competitors. And as for loss of velocity....NOTHING gets fast like an F-16 in zone 5 AB.

The hornet can almost do that without thrust vectoring

@manuhonkanen2111

3 жыл бұрын

Could it be added to the hornet?

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

kinda

Thank you very much !!!!!!

No wonder Chappie was a bad ass. He was a backwards-flyin bad ass!!! Why were we never told this in the 80s??? We need a new Iron Eagle remake.

From my take on what I know about fighter jets and what I've been told from Pilots when I get to talk to them the F-22 only has to access thrust vectoring and is able to go I believe 30 or 33% and it was really only meant for dog fighting at super hot altitude where the air is thin and it's hard to maneuver. It also is a little helpful land doing air show displays but the 3D thrust vectoring on American jets was only meant for them to be at 60 to 70 thousand feet in the thin air at high speed. Also it looks like even the F-35 has crazy maneuverability at high speed or even low speed like that F-18 Super Hornet but everytime they add something in that cost more weight it takes away from their maneuverability. Yes I'm an American but I'm also a fighter jet Enthusiast not on their left Aldi as much as what they can do as an airplane so congrats to the top Russian pilots who go to the airshow and give us crazy displays that also goes to our American pilots who pushed the limits with their Jets to give us a good show at the air show. Hopefully they'll never be a major war between the big powers in the world but hopefully will continue getting Amazing air shows with the modern technology going into the spider Jets :-)

@JenkemSuperfan

2 жыл бұрын

The f-22 has thrust vectoring in the vertical axis i.e. up and down. The MATV was and is a testbed for several technologies including 3d thrust vectoring and supermaneuverability. They're also testing it with AI for remote piloting and pilot assist

F 15 should have been upgraded to agile eagle.

@LRRPFco52

4 жыл бұрын

F-15C should have been replaced per the original plan with 750 F-22s, with the production line still open so we could continue to do Block upgrades with common F-35 subcomponents, an F-35 cockpit & HMS, F-35 RAM, GaN TRMs AESA w/APG-81 tech, IPE F119-PW-200 with increased SFC/efficiency, new composites, F-35 MADL, and the AIRST/DAS. As the F-22 program would have matured, we could introduce the new Variable Cycle Engine in it for increased supercruise and combat radius performance. Instead, we're still nursing F-15Cs made between 1979-1985 that maxed out airframe life years ago.

These acrobatic maneuvers were for the first time made still Su-27 and MiG-29; At the same time, I began my production activity still in 1984 based on the assembly of the units of engines for the sake of the variable thrust vector for that same MiG-29!!! And to me it is completely accurately known that on the aircraft shown by you stands the engine, made on the similarity of the engine with the slanted thrust vector purchased in Russia !!!

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

which mig 29s are you talking about? from what my memory tells i believe the M series and the mig 35 were the only ones to have 3 dimensional vectoring

@Antoncheg77

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheArcticFoxxo The first fact of using variable thrust vector technology - MIG - 29 ... MIG - 35 - CONTROLLED THRUST VECTOR, and this is the next generation of this technology !!!

If the quality of this video were any lower, it'd be radio!

Real life: 7 to 8 gs and above you most likely black out War thunder : 30 g overload

@theimperfectgod7140

4 жыл бұрын

:)))))))

It's amazing what kind of things engineers will come up with when your country's main export is war.

And this is just what they are willing to show the public.Imagine what we do not get to see.

Holy G-forces, Batman!

First vectoring is cool, but if it was really as effective as it's made out to be, and by effective I mean combat effective. Then why haven't all of our 4th generation Fighters been upgraded. I have a feeling that an actual air-to-air combat where speed is life the low speed maneuverability of thrust vectoring might be more of a liability than it is an asset. For instance if I pilot mistakenly uses it at the wrong time then it could cause him to lose energy rapidly leaving him vulnerable to his attacker. Interesting Lee enough this is how the red flag instructor Pilots have killed if 22 is with a f-15s. So I think this may actually be Much Ado About very little. But it is cool and I would love to see one of those prospecting f-16s hand an F-35 its ass in a dogfight. I would say handed 22 its ass but the twenty two's got a pretty low Wing loading in a pretty high sustain turn right so don't know if it be quite that easy.

@sasquatchycowboy5585

6 жыл бұрын

e james you need too look into how the F-16 has been used.

@sasquatchycowboy5585

6 жыл бұрын

e james the F-15, and F-22 are the air superiority Fighters. They have 15 e is used as a light bomber. If 16 was designed to be a cheap interceptor, however it is used as a multi-role fighter. It really should carry the fa designation like it's brother the fa-18. A huge number of the bombs that have been dropped in the war on terror, and the war in Iraq, and by Israel and several conflicts have been dropped by the F-16. Is uses the dedicated suppression of air defense platform by the u.s. Air Force, is one of our primary closer support platforms, and is one of the first Jets going in to deliver Precision Munitions in any conflict. Don't take my word for it look it up. It's actually kind of funny, but sad, that the F-35 is so over-engineered so it can fulfill the roles that this little cheap disposable interceptor has been fulfilling for the past 25 years. And as of yet it's not fulfilling them any better. What makes the F-16 is the way the avionics relay down on it it's like a Swiss Army knife. You can configure it for what you need for that mission. So the F-16 can do or superiority, or close air support, or strategic pinpoint strikes, or suppression of surface-to-air defenses

@sasquatchycowboy5585

6 жыл бұрын

Or hell it can't even deliver tactical nuclear weapons. The f - 16 is probably the best all around combat aircraft that has ever been filled it. Or at least the most successful in its operational history.

@MrSuperkaji

6 жыл бұрын

Modern air combat is all about detecting and getting the first shot on the enemy in BVR combat, so in that sense, TVC is indeed pretty useless outside of extremely niche situations.

@robertwood3970

6 жыл бұрын

I agree, I think the reason is because the plane has to slow down so much. In combat slow = dead.

LOL DRAKEN WAS DOING THIS EVEN BACK U.S & RUSSIA

Holy shit. That doesn't look real! Incredible

I remember very well whilst on my hols staying with relatives at h l airforce base watching some documentry about matv and a f16 strapped to one of these jet engines and dancing in the air like you would not believe, it was August 1986 somebody needs to work on their time line.

2:53 COBRA

@tony_5156

5 жыл бұрын

John Gaines Watts blyat that is amerikkan propaganda Because that is not the same amount of degrees that is the same amount of degrees that the F-14 could do in testing Hahah

So, instead of redesigning bigger more powerful rudder(s) for the F15/16 and adding a 2D nozzle, the USAF wants to go with a 4-paddle type 3D nozzle which will be far less expensive and a much easier fit than redesigning the vertical tail(s) while adding a paddle type nozzle. Since F-22 production has ended as of right now, the USAF wants their F-15/16's to be able to fill the void of those F-22's that won't be built. This is a good thing for us at P&W.

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

plus having larger rudders will only help at a certain airspeed, and won't be as effective or easily controllable below 200kmh, which is one of the main benefits of 3 dimensional thrust vectoring

They should have installed these engines in all of our current F-16's and F-15's.

That was the Cobra maneuver it pulled off on the last seconds of the video. Cleanest Cobra maneuver I've seen from a US plane, better than the F-22's attempt, comparable to the Su-27 & MiG-29 Cobra maneuvers.

Suddenly flying backwards in one of those things. How often do they have to scrape the pilot's eyeballs from the inside of his goggles? Better still, how long before planes like this can all go pilotless?

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

already are pilotless, but in very few numbers and for select bombing missions.

Not only was this recorded on a potato, it was uploaded on a potato. Even 13 years ago they had HD

And this is 13 Years ago and I am still pulling pieces from an F eighteen's Ven after a 100 flight hours flight

An f4 pilot in Vietnam says he did a hammerhead in his f4. It's in the show dogfights on the history channel

that's pretty bad ass

There’s only two types of comments „17 hours ago“ and „13 yrs ago“

Can you even use thrust vector at supersonic speeds? Wouldn't the jet rip apart at those speeds.

Impressive way back then.

In the end, it's just like putting a "drift" button in a police car. Seems really cool until you realize that it has no real benefits in a combat scenario and can even make your fighter a sitting duck in a low energy state.

Some of the MIG and Sukhoi fighters use full 3D thrust vectoring, not just the 2D as suggested in the video.

@czoom51

2 жыл бұрын

"I was one of the original Jr engineers on the F119 engine in 91. My first project for P&W was the F119 actuators for the nozzles. My dad at the time was a Sr engineer and was the F119 materials coordinator and the lead Thermodynamicist and Metallurgist for the project After all the testing it worked out that using a 2D nozzle with a large rudder could do everything a 3D nozzle can do and do it without the extreme amount of drag, extra weight and complexity of making it stealthy." -jjs4you2

wow...never thought that the f16 had thrust vectors....

How do they negate compressor stalls?

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

less compressor stages and a variable adjustment system on something such as a rectangular intake. the issue with having less compressor stages though is general engine performance, which is a simple guess, and a complete redesign of an engine, but that will only fix symmetric compressor stalls, not rotational stalls. It's a weird balance in between the two that has to be achieved

Any plans on upgrading f-16s and f-15s using thrust vectoring.

Remember when the Discovery Channel used to play this kinda EDUCATIONAL stuff? I remember

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

though some of the "educational stuff" are complete lies, such as america having the first TVC systems.

I'll bet maverick wishes he had one of these in top gun. 😂

So, we were doing maneuvers similar to the Russian Cobra back in the 90's with an aircraft that first flew in 1974. All with the aid of thrust vectoring. Any reason why we didn't stick with thrust vectoring on these aircraft? Or are maneuvers, such as the Cobra do more to wow crowds at airshows than wowing a potential western adversary?

@stopbeingapatheticbitch8628

4 жыл бұрын

Similar to cobra? Nah cobra is child's play compared to this.

@lucastekkan

3 жыл бұрын

Not a russian maneuver

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@stopbeingapatheticbitch8628 it isnt, but ok

@TheArcticFoxxo

2 жыл бұрын

@@lucastekkan sorry, swedish. though it was coined and perfected by russian pilots, but you can go ahead and say swedish if it hurts your ego too much

@ZombiePirate2 I Agree with you 100 percent, the sad thing is that not alot of people feel the same way

Why is vectored thrust not a regular occurrence?

I don’t know why it took me five attempts to put that out there

I love the Chinese subtitles, make me warm and comfy. WTF...

This would have been really good if it had any film quality whatsoever.

After this appeared in more programs (Rockwell-MB, AFTI, HIMAT, etc.) -the MiG plant offered kits for few thousand dollars(!) to equip the sold MiG-39-s with vectored nozzles. Later they simply modernised the whole plane to market with better profit and improvements. But the F-16 (and ANY single engine jet plane) do not have 3-axis thrustvector /the roll is missing!/.Only multi engine jets (F-15,Su-37/ have that!

Why wasn't the system installed on the production model afterward?

That would be a huge dream of your intelligence - yes, professionals, and outside the United States have an enormous amount of information about all the American planes!

It's amazing it took them so long to integrate thrust vectoring for so long. Amazing Tech. Notice the Chinese characters, sub titles? They were probably like deer in the headlights watching all this.

Hmm well yes I know but still I mean this plane still can do that stuff pretty well right, maybe rugged in another way.

Can you imagine retraining all the pilots to fly this and the stresses put on the airframe after Time might start coming apart get a cowboy pilot imagine that

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