Pilot gets a new callsign, Cable Guy!!😅

@apg63v2

7 күн бұрын

Or Trapper, or Baja

"F-15 of the lake, lend me your wisdom" 😂

@MScotty90

9 күн бұрын

Guardian of the Missile in the Mud.

@deznutz25

9 күн бұрын

naaah bruh 💀

@MrLM002

9 күн бұрын

Literally came here to comment this, here's your thumbs up.

@dougrobinson8602

8 күн бұрын

And the F-15 of the lake held aloft Excaliber.

@markswalley8716

8 күн бұрын

You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just 'cause some watery tart threw an F15 at you!

The required com is cable, cable., cable probably because ATC might only hear one or two cables because of radio interference during an emergency situation. The controler should have never interpreted one cable to mean lower the cable.

@ronaldkonkoma4356

8 күн бұрын

If the brief is that he's not going to use the cable then I can see why the controller could move it. I'm trying to power up, cable. I don't want to roll over it with hydraulic problems, cable. I told you I'm not going to use that cable get it out of my way so you don't make things worse for me.

@bobwilson758

8 күн бұрын

Roger -

@bobwilson758

8 күн бұрын

This stupid bullshit cost us guys a shit load of money ! Fellas - We expect & demand a much Higher degree of professionalism - We know that it is available ! Fellers … ? No person is perfect - for Gods sake , Do extremely good - really fuckin ‘ good eh ? Try hard ! Be safe . Don’t be cool - Please !

@Studio23Media

2 күн бұрын

Exactly! That's classic normalization of deviance.

"Doh" Communication!...thanks Mover!

@CWLemoine

9 күн бұрын

Gotta get you on the show sometime Juan.

@BreandanAnraoi

9 күн бұрын

​@@CWLemoine I was thinking halfway through "huh this is a good episode of Mover Does Blancolirio"

@christopherleveck6835

9 күн бұрын

Speaking of call signs.... You must have had one, right Juan? I've been watching both of you guys for a long time but I don't remember ever hearing you talk about it. A question for both of you.... We have the F-15's based out of PDX. You can always tell when the Eagles are about to come in because the cable comes up/out of the runway. Is that something we just have in Portland or do they have them everywhere? Wondering if Juan sees them at other airports. Does Mover see them when he lands? Are they ever a hazard for either of you. I never noticed them before someone pointed them out to me.. Now I can't NOT see them.

@broncogrizz

8 күн бұрын

@@christopherleveck6835 2:40 He says the cable is pretty standard at all fighter bases.

@user-zp5cm1ws2p

8 күн бұрын

@@BreandanAnraoi So to speak

I once asked a Thunderbird maintainer about the tailhook on the F-16 and he just looked at me dumb and said that only Navy jets have tailhooks. Blew my mind that someone could work on the jet every day and not know that it existed.

Retired AF Fire guy here and have reset hundreds of BAK-9 portable and BAK-12 Arresting Systems. Technically, the ‘absorbing system’ is tape on a spool connected to B-52 brakes in a pit on either side of the runway. Thankfully, the crew survived. Great content!

@MattH-wg7ou

6 күн бұрын

I always wondered what was in those houses where the cables come out of, the braking system, etc.

I was a Crew Chief (USAF) at Eglin AFB (Test Wing) in 1978, my jet (F-4E 66-0295) was tasked with "Barrier Verification", and after a half dozen engagements, the aircraft returned to chocks. The tailhook "shoe" was FUBAR, and I had to pull panels for "special inspection", but otherwise it was a good day. It was pretty cool watching the jet doing "drag racing" and how fast the barrier stops a big pig.

@MavHunter20XX

Күн бұрын

Certification

@trunkmonkey9417

22 сағат бұрын

@@MavHunter20XX Yes. Thanks. My brain knew that, my fingers lied. :D

@MavHunter20XX

19 сағат бұрын

@@trunkmonkey9417 What am I complaining about? You were doing this way before I born. I hope all is well with you.

@trunkmonkey9417

18 сағат бұрын

😎

Hot words like that always ping me. In the Herk, the only person allowed to say the word "green" was the Nav, because "GREEN LIGHT" was the final call to throw things out of the plane. People, heavy equipment, whatever, items are going out of the aircraft when anyone hears "GREEN." The rule was so prevalent that even in the office, we said things like "lime colored" to avoid saying the color. "Cable" in this context should have held such reverence. I'm not ATC, but I'd think that if I even heard one "cable," I'm assuming the transmission got clipped. Just like my first aerobatic instructor told me, I won't hear the second and third "Bailout" calls, because he'll already be under canopy.

Good breakdown Mover. That entire Cable call as yiu said was a crux issue overlooked it appears by the AIB. Imagine saying one “Mayday” instead of “Mayday Mayday Mayday” and ATC assume ops are normal. Lots of lessons cheers.

@Tekker2234

7 күн бұрын

Hell. Most commercial pilots dont even say the full mayday mayday mayday anymore. It's usually either a single mayday, the controller declaring an emergency for the pilots after they describe their problem, or the pilots just say that they are declaring an emergency.

As a 43151c Crew Chief (back in the day when C and D models were brand new(1978)) this is very interesting. I kind of take issue with the notion that going around for a second attempt could've been a better outcome. If there is not enough juice to lift the speed brake and the brakes are inoperative then that bodes poorly for the flight control system as well best to stay on the ground no matter what. As you pointed out, the cable should have stayed up, is the bottom line. That's where the problem was from my easy chair perspective. Also Hydro specialist crew screwed up missing the main defect which started the whole thing.

Given that the jet had a known hydraulic leak and resulting failures (speedbrake, etc), I can see why the MP was not keen on the idea of getting airborne again.

@howardwest2707

8 күн бұрын

It has 3 Hydraulic systems, utility system running radar antenna if equipped with old system, gear, flaps, speedbrake, brakes and inlet ramps. It also has utility non reservoir level sensing which will continue to pump remaining utility system fluid until it's empty. The utility B light was his first indicator of a leak and don't always trust the indication of psi because they have been known to fail indicating pressure when it doesn't exist. You trust the Utility A or Utility B lights because they are mechanical rather than electrical. The arresting hook and emergency brake function was his last options period. The failure of lowering the cable ultimately caused the final issue of the jet going off the runway. It's been awhile but I dont remember if they would have even noticed the hydraulic leak under those circumstances if the FOHE was never driven into an overheat condition started circulating the hydraulic fluid through the heat exchanger system. Guess that would depends on where the failure was on the heat exchanger itself. Hydraulic mules rarely get the fluid up to temp let alone to a degree that the FOHE would actually make it start to circulate through the heat exchanger.

Surely the reason the call is "Cable Cable Cable" in to cover the eventuality that the whole transmission isn't received? So, the whole One Cable = Down, Three Cables = Up makes no sense at all.

@dougle03

8 күн бұрын

Agreed, it's the reason Mayday Mayday Mayday is x3... As is Pan Pan Pan etc... You only need to hear it once to know there is a problem/instruction... Can't imagine there would be any adverse reaction to leaving it up in an abnormal situation like this... Controller has deffo been given a get out of jail card on this one....

@TheJustinJ

7 күн бұрын

You say "Mayday" three times because it takes three seconds to say it. And therefore if you are stepping on someone else's average two-word transmission, you eventually get through on clear air by spamming. One call has a certain probability of simply canceling someone else's call into radio static.

@CH-lc3yf

Күн бұрын

Apparently the (1x) "Cable" call was not procedure but rather a developped localism that people just did.

As a retired civilian ATC I see a change to phraseology coming, with specific wording to lower the cable, ie. unless the pilot says "LOWER the cable" the cable will remain extended. Like everything else we did in the agency, it was screw ups that changed policy, proactive changes rarely occured.

@quivalla

9 күн бұрын

Or use a phrase like "Lower Wire" so as to not use Cable in any phrase other than intended

@MrBen527

8 күн бұрын

If there is any question, they should default to keeping the cable deployed. Seems really silly to do the opposite, especially if it's already deployed.

@paulm749

8 күн бұрын

Same in fleet truck operations. Everything is reactive. Somebody screws up? Make a new rule. Problem solved. Until the next screw up, then it's rinse and repeat. So glad I'm retired and don't have to deal with any more of that shinola.

@steveperreira5850

8 күн бұрын

A huge problem almost everywhere

@Tekker2234

7 күн бұрын

​@@quivallagreat idea on that front. Would be really good to keep the phrases as different as possible (while still being quick and memorable) so they can't be confused with each other.

As an F-35 mechanic, these accident breakdowns hold valuble information to identifiy and prevent future accidents. Unfortunetly, the big AF can be pretty reactive when it comes to aviation maintenance and somtimes forms a culture that normalizes deviance. I hope that unit takes this information to heart for the maintainers.

@Tekker2234

7 күн бұрын

I hope they do too. Though, the amount of focus given to the pilot's mistakes in the report, rather than on the issues with ATC and Maintenance practices, makes me fear that this might be a case of the investigators attempting to effectively throw the pilot under the bus so they don't have to change practices. Mover did say at the beginning of the video, this type of public release is generally more focused on laying blame than outlining the institutional reforms that come out of accidents so maybe it's just the slant of it being that kind of document. Though I honestly don't like that either. It reinforces the idea in my mind that there is an institutional culture of finding scapegoats for problems that can be publicly lambasted rather than attempting to implement actual improvements.

Good life lesson. Once you make a plan, include in the plan the conditions to deviate from the plan, and then execute it. Second guessing mid-execution without a major unforeseen cause is letting RNJesus take the wheel. That assumes you made the right plan to start with :-) An example is briefing an engine failure on takeoff, and then deciding to try the impossible turn when it happens. Rarely ends well.

Excellent assessment Mover. From the MX side, 14 year F-15 crew chief and 11 year MX officer says you’re spot on. Have no idea why the barrier would be lowered on the runoff end regardless of pilot comms on a hydraulic failure. Also, pilot should have pulled the Emergency steer/brake handle. Deal with the bullshit on Friday afternoon vs. putting her the lake. 20/20 hindsight.

Always easy to say "woulda Shoulda coulda" As retired ATC, cable up would have hurt nothing.

@bertv602

7 күн бұрын

Here at the cemetery lies a 104 pilot who had hit the barrier doing an unplanned go around, miscommunication left the barrier up flipping the almost flying jet upside down leaving the pilot no chance. But yes, I do agree, hot words should only be used for their "hot" situation.

Chuck Yeager flew in this aircraft in 1997 at Edwards AFB during the 50 year anniversary of his history-making flight. They named the aircraft 'Glamorous Glennis III' for the occasion.

Press on....I appreciate your hard work for information, entertainment and fun in all your vidoes. Always stay healthy, safe and mentally stable.

Agree with your assessment. If "Cable" doesn't mean "lower the cable", the ATC should never have lowered the cable. I wouldn't put the "non-standard phraseology" completely on the pilot. It was the right word - just not repeated. ATC assumed the pilot had landed safely - he shouldn't have assumed that without confirming it.

2014 EAA, F16 had a mishap. It and a wingman were doing a demo outside of the air show that day. MP gets an hyd's warning. Lands on runway 36, full length. Has no brakes, over runs the runway and ends up on the grass before runway 5/23, with a nose wheel collapse and radome snapped off.

The cable should have remained up, it's the fail safe state, no harm would have occurred if it had remained up. The decision to lower it was in my opinion a primary cause of the crash.

@spvillano

6 күн бұрын

Let's consider worst case scenario, which is basically where things ended up. Don't need the cable, leave it up, maybe the cable gets damaged unnecessarily vs loss of aircraft. Cables are just a tad less expensive than an aircraft...

On Navy and Marine Corps bases, the arresting cable was always fixed in my day 50+ years ago. I hope that has not changed. Done both. Used it one time to stop an A-4 Skyhawk with a no oil pressure landing emergency. And in another incident, it was derigged intentionally with my emergency gear up landing with a single belly tank not to catch the wire and spin out of control.

@corvanphoenix

7 күн бұрын

Man, talk about pucker factor! Damn glad you walked away both times. Thanks for your service!

Spent 4-years at Kingsley in the 70's and got my private at base aero club. It's high (4k), it's hot (or snowy), and it's bouncy. In my day the SOF was given a dodge pickup truck or van with lights and a radio, and they spent most of their time on the ramp.

Learned again something, didn't know that most fighters have a tailhook. Thanks Mover.

I appreciate the review and the breakdown of the incident. As you speculate, ATC had a much larger role in this incident especially when moving focus from an emergency aircraft to the traffic pattern.

If you brief it... you should fly it... Well presented Mover!!!

All great points. Most interesting. Thank you!

Always learning. As long as we pay attention.

Looks like there is plenty of blame to go around. Lots of holes in that Swiss cheese.

Reminds me point of sale card readers. Many of them place the words "Please do not" on one line and "Remove card" on a second line. Then, transaction complete, you get "Please remove card". Why is "remove" used at all in the first message?! You get a glare off the glass and yoink I early every once a while and now everyone's latte is delayed.

I’m surprised that the A-10 doesn’t have a hook considering how much of its design went into expecting it to experience severe battle damage. (Redundant hydraulic systems, landing gear still works even when retracted)

Good review and your assessments seem spot on. Glad no one was seriously hurt. The cable comm mess up was really unfortunate. I strongly agree with your comments about old jets!

Thank you for doing these

I love this, after every mishap, I wait a year for you to break it down for us!!!

21+ year AF. crew chief here the F-15 was my first bird and still my love, F-16's were 2nd assignment, and finally the KC-10. I'm confused as to why we were penny wise and dollar foolish. the cable is way cheaper to replace than an entire aircraft or even a life, I have never been aware of this practice and hopefully the practice has been discontinued AF. wide and directives sent out. secondly the maintenance people need to have their feet held to the fire and find out there the whole not fully documenting maintenance thing is okay, red x conditions were skipped, that kind of stuff just cannot happen, where were the maintenance leadership who are trusted to insure all the steps were followed. and if u break the chain steps are missed in the process, this could have turned out really bad for the pilots and potentially civilians on the ground. it cannot be allowed to happen and should never happen. surely some of the blame falls on the maintenance unit also.

Didn't have room to go around... in a 15??? Yeah, I thought that was kind of weird. The Eagle Drivers always made fun of the weather guys; "I don't have to fly IN the weather, I just fly through it, it's always clear on top!"

Thanks for the update dude. Living in Portland, OR and kinda paying attention to these things I was curious the outcome.

Former CAF maintenance tech: 1000% on your assessment. Certainly a "comedy of errors", but at the end of the day, who the f hears "mayday" even once and thinks, "oh that's normal", especially under the circumstances. But .... I"m not comfortable by what you read from the report that maintenance did a proper job on this plane. If there were prior hydraulic issues, would they not do a pressurization check and look for leaks? Thank God no one died. I was at CFB Edmonton when maintenance fkd up on a Herc in a C check causing it during an airshow to hit the ground near a fuel depot. Not something you want to ever see happen to anyone let alone guys you work with.

Its kind of wild to think that they identified the need for cable, brought it up, and then decided to put it back down. The tower could see what was going on.

@jerseyshoredroneservices225

8 күн бұрын

They didn't really decide to retract the cable they just created confusion and the controller guessed that he was supposed to retract the cable.

I used to fly one round trip every week out of PDX where the Air Guard has the F-15's. I always parked on the top of the parkade. A lot of times I would try and get there early to hopefully see the Eagles fly. The way to tell they were coming in was when they would raise the cable. When the cable came up you knew it would be minutes before a couple F-15's would be landing.

@fightingfalconfan

8 күн бұрын

This was Kingslyfield. About 20 miles southeast of Roseburg and that's 187 miles south of Portland. Your talking about the 142nd fighter wing. Unfortunately these days I don't have a chance to see them land or take off as I have to work x.x sad panda.

Excellent assessment, I really enjoy your videos !!!

It would have been useful if the AIB determined whether the use of the singular "cable" had been routinely used to indicate that the pilot wanted the cable lowered.

Thanks Mover. Great breakdown. Watched an F4 bounce the cable at Nellis and go around with the drogue chute deployed. He successfully made it back around with barely any ⛽️remaining.

I grew up in Klamath Falls in the 70’-90’s and we live on Altamont Drive about 2 1/2 miles from the end of the north end of the runway and having F4’s flying over your house on final is something you don’t forget, it was normal to stop all conversations as they flew over since there was no way you could hear anything with those engines howling. We’ve seen all kinds of wild stuff over the years, there was an F-16 crash in I think 1995 where the F-16 hit the ground while in full afterburner out in Lake County where they do their fighter training and the largest part they could find was something the size of your fist….damn. Kingsley is at around 3,700 AGL altitude and we have some weird winds up there that can pop up without warning on seemingly the calmest of days, I remember my grandad landing our Cessna 206 and he had to crab it on final at nearly 45 degrees where I could see right down the runway in the back seat and he held that until he transitioned straight right when the stall indicator started howling. As for the F-15, the first thing I was thinking was why didn’t he just take off again?this will buy him more time to go through a checklist over the radio and discuss what happened during the first attempt and see if the symptoms indicated a specific system or component failure that an experienced pilot or maintenance tech could advise him on. In the Infantry I lived by one motto; “assumption is the mother of all fuck ups!” Never, ever assume anything.

Taking off again with total hydraulic failure, speed break still UP, etc., is a bad idea when you're expecting a cable arrest.

@CWLemoine

8 күн бұрын

It’s not a total hydraulic failure. Utility only.

Amazing analysis!

But if the pilot had the arresting hook down and the plan was for a go around, it could have also been misinterpreted that he needed the cable down in order to go around.

@dermick

3 күн бұрын

Exactly what I was thinking as a possibility - since everyone knew the cable was up, why did the pilot call out "cable?" I agree ATC might have been thinking he wanted the cable out of his way to do a go-around. None of this is easy, which is why they spend so much time (and money) training.

Great breakdown. Thanks!

All my years reading about military aviation - never actually saw anything that talked about the tail numbers, nice to know it's not just random numbers. And it almost make sense the A-10 would be the one aircraft with no hook seeing as it's slower than some WW2 planes, and honestly if tweaked a little with prop engines somewhat more conventionally placed wouldn't exactly look out of place in WW2.

Mover, this is my 2nd AIB video, I learned 2 huge things. That USAF fields have cables and, somehow, I lived this long and never heard the term “Fat Amy.” You rock,

Crazy I live in Klamath Falls, where Kingsley Field is and never heard about this mishap.

@kevinx9225

9 күн бұрын

Not clear if the entire event was contained on the air base or airport property.

@thevnbastid1027

8 күн бұрын

@@kevinx9225 the ditch the plane is sitting in is the property line of base. it did make the news, but not much was reported. used to park up on that ditch bank as kids and watch the planes.

@GeoRedtick

8 күн бұрын

@@thevnbastid1027 yeah, it looks like it made it to the other side of the ditch which I am pretty sure is not Kingsley property.

I'm gonna say it- ATC committed the biggest eff up here. Not gonna second-guess the guy in the cockpit trying to manage the emergency in millisecond increments

@jerseyshoredroneservices225

8 күн бұрын

Improvising the plan in milliseconds was the pilot's mistake. He should have stuck to the plan, there was no good reason to deviate. If at the last second he thought there was a reason to deviate he should have hit the gas and gone back up to revaluate.

@brysonfitzgerald5238

7 күн бұрын

​@jerseyshoredroneservices225 have you ever lost hydraulics in your car's steering or braking system? I have; it's terrifying. And my car doesn't even fly, so having a hydraulic problem and visually verifying hydraulic fluid leaking on a JET means I'm getting on the ground NOW. Like, yesterday-type-of-NOW. Losing control authority in a jet on the ground is scary; losing control authority in a jet in the sky is likely game over. In hindsight, I think the real screw up was the pilot's initial plan to abort and go around. Once his wheels hit the tarmac, his plan should never have entertained limping a leaking and hydraulically-challenged jet back into the sky. Especially with such a long runway and availability of arresting cables.

@jerseyshoredroneservices225

7 күн бұрын

@@brysonfitzgerald5238 Yes I have lost power steering and all breaking a few times. My car was manufactured in 1995 and it's been in the northeast rust belt ever since so I've lost a few brake lines LOL. This pilot didn't lose controls he his plane was flying just perfectly and he had all the time in the world to come up with a plan on how to land it. If you watch the video they didn't mention anything about loss of controls and everybody involved agreed that the plan was to hit the gas and go back up, because the plane was flying just fine. All he had to do was fly the plan and everything would have been fine but he cracked and didn't fly the plan. He caused its own problems.

Interesting mishap. Reminds me of an amusing arrestor hook story from my F-111 student days at Mt Home AFB in '82... I was flying a training sortie with our squadron commander, a LtC former F-105 guy who was very seasoned and capable. During our pre-taxi checks, our arrestor hook clattered to the tarmac uncommanded. Our crew chief came up on hot mike and told our squadron commander, then said, "Sir, you need to pump the handle to get the hook to go back up." (Not kidding) After a brief chuckle, my CO told the chief that's not how it works. But the chief, politely but firmly said, "No sir, that is how it works." It took three attempts from our CO to get the chief to believe him, go back to the rear of the aircraft and put the hook back into place. Lots of head shaking and smiling inside our cockpit...

My schoolhouse for Vipers and Eagles. "Land of No Slack." Unfortunate series of events. Glad nobody was seriously hurt. TYPICALLY It is alway communicated in plain English approaching departure end if you wanted to have the cable lowered because you were going to have to taxi over it , by stating such. "Tower (CS) you can lower the departure end cable " or "Tower (CS) cleared to lower dept. end cable" etc. It's "normally " specified as to which cable just to take ambiguity out of it, but not always. Your point about a single call of "cable" is valid. **But additionally when you are leading a 4/2 multi ship and there are jets landing behind you, you never lower the departure end cable as number one, because your bros behind you might need it. The tower person (should) know that as well. But again the responsibility is on the MA. The declared emergency situation might have changed many perceptions, assuming the other jets were in a hold awaiting tower and fire to clear the runway for landing after MA was going to clear.

@woosier1

9 күн бұрын

That's a good point that it would have been inappropriate to lower the cable when you are the first in line.

As I understand it Carrier jets with the hook don't just have the hook, but a stronger airframe to support the hook, to stop the aircraft very quickly. So AF jets have the hook to use in emergencies, but they save weight with less support for it, so can't stop as quickly as Carrier aircraft do. Is that an accurate characterisation?

Tree man, not pilot here. I agree with your assessment at the end. if im in a tree and i say "headache" meaning stay clear im dropping limbs. if something out of the ordinary happens and i shout 'heads', no one should thinks "Oh, this is a perfect time to walk under this tree"

Well done video. Retired USAF safety chief.

Good analysis, Mover. Good video.

Pilot screws up, pilot dies. ATC screws up, pilot dies.

May 2023. By the way, that's not a terrible long time. If you've ever seen a full AIB report with all the tabs, they come in multiple volumes. The one for the 2007 F-15 structural breakup is in 4 volumes and is approx. 1200 pages.

@TheJustinJ

7 күн бұрын

What was the finding? In one word.

Non-pilot here, but I'm convinced that the "Maintenance Crew" in military and civilian roles MUST fly in any aircraft they have touched or signed off before a professional, well-trained and extremely valuable pilot and/or passengers are allowed on board. "So, Joe, you pretty sure that hydraulic leak is fixed...or are you certain?" It's not like it your Mom's Chevy and you cross thread the oil pan plug!!

Very excellent analysis and presentation by Mover.

Spot on analysis Mover. Thx.

Great review @Mover.

5000ft remaining @ around 70 kn and MP thinking he can't take off again ? What was he thinking he was flying ? The Space Shuttle ?

@fightingfalconfan

8 күн бұрын

Sounds to me like he had situational awareness overload. He first brief's the flight on emergency procedures and when to execute them. He then finds himself in said situation that he briefed. He fubared this situation and failed to Aviate completely. ATC didn't help either with comms. When in doubt...throttle out! two powerful jet engines at your fingers ready to blast you out of a sticky situation and completely brain farted it...but at last; we are all human. I hope he's back in the air, maybe some additional training for him and he's good to go.

@ronmoore5827

8 күн бұрын

I know nothing about F-15s, but a million years ago when I was a cobra helicopter crew chief hydraulic fluid leaking from anywhere was red X item.

@corvanphoenix

7 күн бұрын

I wasn't there either, but I think you're underestimating the fact that he had no hydraulics. So if he takes off, there's a big risk of losing control authority. That's gonna be way worse than just driving off the end of the runway.

@Wannes_

7 күн бұрын

@@corvanphoenix He's been kind-of happily flying around though But I can understand wishing to stay on the ground after successfully landing with an emergency But then, why brief an "optional" go-around ? If it wasn't for the ATC genius, he'd have been stopped by the cable

@fightingfalconfan

6 күн бұрын

@@corvanphoenix He had backup systems...

Thx Mover....all the Swiss cheese holes lined up that day...hopefully valuable lessons were learned.

@dougle03

8 күн бұрын

Not all of them. The Pilot walked away...

I was gonna say they should do cables on commercial runways, but I guess there’s too many different types of aircraft and factors involved.

Assuming that the pilot gave an incorrect callout. Shouldn't there also be a correct callout to lower the cable as well? I doubt that "cable" is the correct callout to lower it.

Was just at Avon Park the end of March. Beautiful area, was a little weird having the prison/jail on base and seeing them maintaining the area, but it was pristine.

I was wondering if you were going to make a video about this. I was in Klamath Falls that day. I didn't witness it, but I was wondering why everything stopped.

Two things stand out to me: 1. If the speedbrake did not fully deploy one can assume low or no hydraulic pressure remains. Why would they consider going around? Does the F-15 have a secondary hydraulic system for flight controls? If it is the same system the decision to remain on the rwy is not bad at all. 2. For ATC to stow the cable is unbelievable. I understand the confusion but why on earth would they stow it during an emergency. That one time they taxy over the cable, considering their point of discussion about wear and tear, is nonsense. My two cents.

@acasualviewer5861

8 күн бұрын

ATC was distracted. Given there was an emergency he shouldn't have been.

@howardwest2707

8 күн бұрын

Yes it has 3 total hydraulic systems, PC1 and PC2 bring the primaries for flight controls and also having switching valves. Utility runs secondary flight controls, brakes, radar, inlet ramps.

Two things come to mind: 1- Using Cable to lower the cable could confuse things further with communication interruptions when the pilot says it three times but ATC hears it only once 2- With no hydraulics on the F-15, can it be safely flown? Since the airbrake didn’t completely deploy, wouldn’t it be risky to take off with it or land without it if it did stow but couldn’t be deployed on the second try? Great video! Thanks for sharing!

The Swiss cheese definitely lined up on this accident. Glad the pilot made it out.

Thank you Mover.

As the old saying goes, it's usually a chain of events rather than a single act that causes an accident. That certainly seems to be the case here, with the initial bad event being maintenance's inadequate repair of a known hydraulic system fault. The comment that the mishap pilot accepted the aircraft is a gratuitous slap at the mishap pilot - how could he possibly have known that the repair work was inadequate?? Did the mishap pilot then mishandle the situation? Okay, yes, arguably he did - and apparently on a few different steps. But his was only the final event in the chain of events, yet the AIB wants him to shoulder the overwhelming bulk of the blame. One of my beefs with the Air Force during my flying years (1977-83) was the apparent need to lay blame for everything on someone or another. The stated purpose was not that - the stated purpose was to prevent future occurrences, but the accident reports I read seemed more about laying blame than anything else.

Can we get an interview with SPARKY from the Lightning Strike video PLZ. Its the best video on your channel

Looks like a standard landing for me in DCS minus the malfunctions.

Maybe this is why they moved the F-15EX training elsewhere (?)

Is there anything seriously negative that can happen if the jet goes over the cable but doesn't necessarily need it? I just thought they would keep the cable up in an emergency situation no matter what, until they had to recover the other aircraft obviously.

I work for the railroad and this looks alot like what happens regularly with us. Any accident can always be rationalized into blaming train crews for everyone else's screw ups.

You would think they could automate the cable system to trigger. Raising the cable if the jet never fully stopped is poor judgment. The ATC needs an MOS shift.

@Wannes_

9 күн бұрын

Lowering the cable ... was poor judgement

@Hatredy11

8 күн бұрын

​@@Wannes_Oops, that's what I meant.

Mover, quick question: Confirm that the BAK-12 is surface mounted and can not be remotely adjusted and only the BAK-14 system can be lowered below the runway level? Or is the BAK-12 B an equivalent to the latter one? Many thx from Germany.

Unclear communication was one of a dozen contributing factors to the "Terror at Tenerife" where two(2) 747s collided on the runway (One taxiing & one taking off). Fog, confusing instructions from the tower, lack of communication standards, lots of non-standard terminology used, clipped coms, language(accents), no ground radar, impatience...in addition to many more factors contributing to the jumbo jets being at an airport they weren't supposed to be at on 27 March 1977. ✈✈

tldr it was thirsty

I believe Mover had an accurate assessment of the situation. Hind sight is 20/20, and maintenance is always key to top performance with any machine. ( New or old ) Unfortunately, the holes in the swiss cheese lined up, and we lost an eagle . We pray for a full recovery for our service professional who was envolved in this accident.

I worked on "C" Hornets. We sent them flying leaking all the time.

"Sir you can't park there" 😂

As a hydraulic systems mechanic in the Air Force this one makes me sad.

Never use your last resort cable unless you have to.

Could there not be an additional permanently up cable on the grass. Where it would never be overrun but would always be there just in case.

What do you have the cable raised before they landed with a hydraulic problem? Precautionary or emergency landing

As we so often learn its rarely one thing that ends in an accident, its usually a combination of things. Here again changing any of those things probably would have ended differently.

I am happy to be here.

A7D Corsair took one at my guard base many moons ago.

So.......maintenance actually did exhaustive work on the hydraulic system and the leak was in a place not normally expected out in the field. I place zero blame on maintenance for that reason. This was the kind of thing there should be an Airworthiness Directive (AD) on. A service bulletin from the factory or the powerplant manufacturer.

Is there a reason the cable isn't just there at the end of the runway for every landing? Is there a danger in running over it?

Lower the cable was the standard call and a lot of the time it was clipped. I am atc there but wasn’t in the tower that day. And as I said in the previous comment our sof isn’t in the tower.

Looks like an Air Force Base will get a new static display.

“This unit has had -twelve- (0) days of zero maintenance defects.”