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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
If you enjoy war thunder or Microsoft flight simulator 2020 or even dogfighting in Battlefield 2042, consider getting yourself into Digital Combat Simulator by Eagle Dynamics, the Combat side of Aviation with the BVR and Dogfights really provides a different and interesting perspective on aviation. You can fly all kinds of combat aircraft including the F-16, F-15, F-14, JF-17, Su-27, Mig-29, Mirage and the F-18 Hornet along with many other aircraft and helicopters like the Ka-50 and Mi-8.

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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder Жыл бұрын

    APEX PCs: apexpartner.app/redirect/Growling-Sidewinder Check out the Merch Store: growling-sidewinder.creator-spring.com/ Big thank you to shotgun for making this video possible and hope you guys enjoyed, see you in the next one, Much Love.

  • @AbyNeon

    @AbyNeon

    Жыл бұрын

    could you kindly start doing 2 vs 2 videos ?

  • @Hwalker_DayZ

    @Hwalker_DayZ

    Жыл бұрын

    Can you pls do f22 and f35 vs su57 or j20 pls keep up the great work

  • @Anarchy_420

    @Anarchy_420

    Жыл бұрын

    F-22 VS Ten North Korean MIG-29's BVR

  • @Anarchy_420

    @Anarchy_420

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Hwalker_DayZ F-22 and F-35 VS J-20 and SU-57👍

  • @Anarchy_420

    @Anarchy_420

    Жыл бұрын

    F-35 Or F-15EX VS MIG-31 BVR! Revenge against hypersonic missile👍

  • @jamison884
    @jamison884 Жыл бұрын

    You have a natural gift, my friend. Whenever simulated death is on your doorstep, you predict it, you taunt it, you insult it. Then, just as you predicted, death finds you. You're the Kobe of missile impacts.

  • @GrowlingSidewinder

    @GrowlingSidewinder

    Жыл бұрын

    😂

  • @AximandTheCursed
    @AximandTheCursed Жыл бұрын

    GS: "I can't see any contrails, or smoke trails from that missile, but rest assured, that thing is coming..." Phoenix Missile: "I am the Angel of Death. The hour of purification is at hand."

  • @RaderizDorret

    @RaderizDorret

    Жыл бұрын

    I just heard DBZ Abridged's Mr. Popo saying "Hiiiii..."

  • @warhawk4494
    @warhawk4494 Жыл бұрын

    "Trust me that thing coming." - Phoenix missile. "Hello there."

  • @papasyscon6037

    @papasyscon6037

    Жыл бұрын

    "General Kenob-" -BOOOOM

  • @warhawk4494

    @warhawk4494

    Жыл бұрын

    @@papasyscon6037 "such a uncivilized weapon."

  • @wowfail6835
    @wowfail6835 Жыл бұрын

    Awesome Video, Can you please do more Dogfights and BVR in the same video? I think it’s cool to see how the strengths of each aircraft play out in each scenario!

  • @braedynhoward3644

    @braedynhoward3644

    Жыл бұрын

    I agree it was a really cool vid idea.

  • @theteddybear4077

    @theteddybear4077

    Жыл бұрын

    I also agree

  • @jameskester7745

    @jameskester7745

    Жыл бұрын

    I also like it, I've also noticed a lot of people asking for that in other vids

  • @macgyver186

    @macgyver186

    Жыл бұрын

    I always like the videos that start out as BVR then end up in a merge.

  • @miletello1

    @miletello1

    Жыл бұрын

    Yeah this was dope. I'd even suggest making it a standard so that we can get a full grasp of the capabilities of the aircraft being discussed.

  • @cpfpv6410
    @cpfpv6410 Жыл бұрын

    The Mr. Bean clip as the Pheonix shows up gets the chef's kiss!! lol. freaking hilarious.

  • @RAAFLightning1
    @RAAFLightning1 Жыл бұрын

    Jester is the sole cause of my crippling depression

  • @TimberwolfCY
    @TimberwolfCY Жыл бұрын

    I love your sense of humor and also humility in your videos. Well done to both of you!

  • @shepherdlavellen3301

    @shepherdlavellen3301

    Жыл бұрын

    not to mention the perfect timing

  • @FukaiRei27
    @FukaiRei27 Жыл бұрын

    That's awesome to see BVR and WVR at once. Waiting for more of them with more matchup options.

  • @krisp1878
    @krisp1878 Жыл бұрын

    I absolutely love the aesthetics of the Fulcrum/Flanker families, but my heart will ALWAYS be with the Swinging Tomcat.

  • @zachboyd4749

    @zachboyd4749

    Жыл бұрын

    My favorite has to be the pivot wing, fuselage missiles and guns, open nose, and overall just mean lines of the "Last Gunfighter", the F-8 Crusader.

  • @sparrowlt

    @sparrowlt

    Жыл бұрын

    4th gen was the coolest gen

  • @papasyscon6037
    @papasyscon6037 Жыл бұрын

    Is there anything sexier than a Tomcat merging at full-sweep? I don't think so. I don't think so.

  • @bjeh001
    @bjeh001 Жыл бұрын

    Love seeing you explain the tactics as you win a close dogfight by the seat of your pants. But the Mr.Bean meme and stopping that Phoenix at the exact frame just the moment before impact is simply masterful work GS! Really enjoyed, and kudos also to Shotgun!

  • @paulf1389
    @paulf1389 Жыл бұрын

    "Rest assured, that thing is coming", I love the way you were able to freeze the missile Nano seconds before it hit. Great video as always GS

  • @Raz.C
    @Raz.C Жыл бұрын

    Damn, man! I've watched so many of these videos that I'm starting to be able to recognise the aircraft by the look of the cockpit!!

  • @abdulmismail
    @abdulmismail Жыл бұрын

    11:50 I love these videos where you (G/S) pause, show a red arrow and a high pitched bell sound - just before you get hit in the face.

  • @vividthespis
    @vividthespis Жыл бұрын

    11:48 I fell out of my chair I laughed so hard. Been watching for years. When I need a laugh. you always deliver. Even when you teased me for calling the Viper the Fighting Falcon. "Don't worry. we forgive you" Classic GS

  • @javieriniguez1444
    @javieriniguez1444 Жыл бұрын

    The F-110 powered Tomcat was truly an impressive machine I would love to see it against the SU-35.

  • @TheSharpeful
    @TheSharpeful Жыл бұрын

    I really enjoy the BVR videos and all the tactics and know how it requires. The dogfight in modern jets just feels like 2 tank crews driving up to eachother, getting out of the tank and shooting at eachother with pistols. :S

  • @yellowhammer72

    @yellowhammer72

    Жыл бұрын

    Excellent analogy

  • @STRYKER_b14
    @STRYKER_b14 Жыл бұрын

    This day got better, thx GS. Amazing work. PS: remember to upload tomorrow again, plz

  • @GrowlingSidewinder

    @GrowlingSidewinder

    Жыл бұрын

    Loool I’ll do my best buddy

  • @bryce.hooops

    @bryce.hooops

    Жыл бұрын

    @@GrowlingSidewinder don’t sweat it, we’ll be patient LOL

  • @Intremental
    @Intremental Жыл бұрын

    I may be kinda addicted to these… keep up the good work!

  • @f22rhaptor
    @f22rhaptor Жыл бұрын

    When you was trying to lock him I was thinking... "Why is him not searching the notch? when You finally lock him I thought... "no matter, is already dead". when the rwr start to ringing y thought... "5,4,3,2,1..." Lol, I really expected more patience from You. Thanks for your videos and greetings from Colombia 🤘

  • @mcvittees

    @mcvittees

    Жыл бұрын

    I had the same thought. More patience. Ploughing forward waiting for burn though was ill advised. Go hot, notch, go hot notch. All the time you’d be dragging missiles energy and maybe dropping off the radar completely trashing the shot. Also, why no altitude change?

  • @username0984
    @username0984 Жыл бұрын

    2:30 if it wasn’t for that little rotation-literally inches away from having a wing removed lol

  • @t3hjnz
    @t3hjnz Жыл бұрын

    That edit with the incoming Phoenix was *chef's kiss*. Great video, as always.

  • @dclark1980
    @dclark1980 Жыл бұрын

    I wonder how the Tomcat would perform with more powerful engines and 3-D thrust vectoring… No idea how variable geometry wings would combine with thrust vectoring though.

  • @BigBossIvan

    @BigBossIvan

    Жыл бұрын

    You’re describing the Super Tomcat 21 project. If Boeing lobbying didn’t kill Grumman’s chances, we’d have the worlds most incredible 4th gen+ fighter defending the navy right now.

  • @xaber_

    @xaber_

    Жыл бұрын

    @@BigBossIvan nah.. you're being overly optimistic. It's not Boeing lobbying that killed. Sure, Tomcat is a very capable fighter but everybody knows that it has a massive radar cross section compared to more modern fighters. In modern battlefields against advanced air defenses it would be a sitting duck.

  • @dsdy1205

    @dsdy1205

    Жыл бұрын

    @@xaber_ I can see the RCS engineers weeping at having to deal with variable geometry. The other option being to only sweep the wing to certain pre-defined angles, but that kind of defeats the point of a swing wing

  • @splida1556
    @splida1556 Жыл бұрын

    this has become one of my favorite most consistent channels for entertainment such a great job GS! been watching for years now. i would love to see some f35 bvr fights to see how capable it is, i think that the mod underperforms but would love to see it do what it was meant for instead of the dog fights, if you read this thanks man!

  • @N-L3
    @N-L3 Жыл бұрын

    11:39 You need to put this into your next Funny Moments of Death video

  • @paulmarsdensr1095
    @paulmarsdensr1095 Жыл бұрын

    I am a retired US Navy F-14 A/B/ D Aviation Electrician. I would always ask my pilots in every Squadron I was in. VF-24, VF-211, VX-4, VX-5, NWTS. I asked about this fight against the Mig -29 Fulcrum. A great video brother.

  • @shushmuuu
    @shushmuuu Жыл бұрын

    Love seeing the 29, could you maybe do BVR but only with Fox1 missiles, I think it would be an interesting twist

  • @aviationist1018
    @aviationist1018 Жыл бұрын

    Hey gs, just wanted to say your my favorite channel now

  • @GrowlingSidewinder

    @GrowlingSidewinder

    Жыл бұрын

    Really appreciate that thank you

  • @aviationist1018

    @aviationist1018

    Жыл бұрын

    I watch like ever video XD, i wanna be a F-22 pilot, F-16 or F-15, mainly F-22. Mainly from your videos

  • @robertmajors1737
    @robertmajors1737 Жыл бұрын

    This is the fight that the original Top Gun was meant to have. I wish they would've been able to actually get Mig 29's instead of repainted F5's. Nice content though as always, like this format, and that skin on the Mig 29 is sweet!

  • @allysonand

    @allysonand

    Жыл бұрын

    @Yeah Right lmao

  • @robertmajors1737

    @robertmajors1737

    Жыл бұрын

    @Yeah Right Can't tell if you're being serious or not, but I'm pretty sure there's no such aircraft as a Mig 28

  • @mortlet5180
    @mortlet5180 Жыл бұрын

    I love the idea of adding some BVR to the standard dogfighting videos! It's kind of similar to how the BVR videos can sometimes also end up in a merge... The fact that you deliberately try to fly (and use tactics which are) as realistic as possible, instead of simply exploiting ED's implementation of radar tracking and missile guidance to completely negate the Tomcat's standoff advantage, is not lost on me. Thank you for always striving to produce the best and most immersive videos that you can!

  • @GrowlingSidewinder

    @GrowlingSidewinder

    Жыл бұрын

    It’s my pleasure thank you for watching the videos and for supporting the channel with your membership you’re very much appreciated.

  • @PaPaFiggy69
    @PaPaFiggy69 Жыл бұрын

    Amazing video. Love the both WVR AND BVR, now i definitely need more like this for more aircraft

  • @michaelwparks
    @michaelwparks Жыл бұрын

    I love this new format, great contrast between WVR and BVR!

  • @andrewszot3094
    @andrewszot3094 Жыл бұрын

    I’m digging the cello music. Also great video!

  • @oneastrails
    @oneastrails Жыл бұрын

    For your BVR segment, every time you turned a bit to avoid the missile or his radar, I kept thinking of Family Guy Star Wars episode when the Empire is chasing the Millennium Falcon. “That’s your manoeuvre, moving slightly to the right”. “He’s drifting lazily to the right, where did he go”. 😅😅. Thanks for the entertainment, great video.

  • @paez4779
    @paez4779 Жыл бұрын

    That BVR with the Phoenix always gets me.. when you freezed it right as it came in I spat my coffee

  • @brianwaffle
    @brianwaffle Жыл бұрын

    Thank you. That started my afternoon on the internet off with a good laugh.

  • @lucash8234
    @lucash8234 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the lesson on notching.

  • @yellowhammer72
    @yellowhammer72 Жыл бұрын

    I really enjoyed this format. Please do more showing both BVR and BFM in the same video. I think this illustrates an excellent point. It doesn’t matter if you can win a BFM fight if you can’t make it to the merge.

  • @vczs
    @vczs Жыл бұрын

    Oh boy last one made me laugh loudly. Great job as always!

  • @YT-zd3eu
    @YT-zd3eu Жыл бұрын

    Beside your ability to read geometry, Your narrative skills is the thing that make your channel special. Bravo 👏👏👏

  • @GuMpAkC
    @GuMpAkC Жыл бұрын

    Hey gs, love the videos. Have you ever done team dogfights before? Like 2v2. Seems like that would be pretty fun to do

  • @ayosoupah7
    @ayosoupah7 Жыл бұрын

    These type of dogfight then bvr should happen if your down more often dope video man 🔥

  • @casso_4974
    @casso_4974 Жыл бұрын

    This was the perfect ratio of entertaining and educational

  • @Valentaur
    @Valentaur Жыл бұрын

    Another excellent video!!!

  • @Terpenesteve
    @Terpenesteve Жыл бұрын

    great fight! You def called that missile coming then...WHAM! you have a natural gift for being able to tell when death from a missile is on your tail! great fight from both regardless GS !

  • @sledgehammerk35
    @sledgehammerk35 Жыл бұрын

    I just imagine right before that Phoenix missile hit, you hear Arnold Schwarzenegger saying “You’ve just been erased”

  • @DavidSteele
    @DavidSteele Жыл бұрын

    To this day, images of the F-14 model close-in, wings back, 'burners lit, hauling a** in a slashing attack or the opening pass of a dogfight is still... still... wonderful.

  • @AJHRepublicanoforSouthTexas
    @AJHRepublicanoforSouthTexas Жыл бұрын

    Amazing PHX !!

  • @jasonmatson7861
    @jasonmatson7861 Жыл бұрын

    That was pretty cool, Bevis

  • @robsonfujii461
    @robsonfujii461 Жыл бұрын

    Another classic moment, together with the F-22 form up.

  • @timsullivan4566
    @timsullivan4566 Жыл бұрын

    This was a very interesting situation and I really hope you 2 will try this same match-up again.

  • @zane1592
    @zane1592 Жыл бұрын

    Always a good day when a new upload is here

  • @jamesd4013
    @jamesd4013 Жыл бұрын

    Excellent BVR cinimatics!

  • @magicmissile7533
    @magicmissile7533 Жыл бұрын

    Your vids are like drugs to me, it's so addicting seeing these gracious dogfights

  • @f22tempest20
    @f22tempest20 Жыл бұрын

    YESS YOU FINALLY BROUGHT BACK THE MIG 29!

  • @sithsquirrel7753
    @sithsquirrel7753 Жыл бұрын

    I swear you are the king of famous last words and announcing your own doom just before it happens...lol

  • @benn454
    @benn454 Жыл бұрын

    GS: Rest assured, that thing is coming. AIM-54: BONJOUR

  • @andrewrogers3067
    @andrewrogers3067 Жыл бұрын

    Man that first dogfight was worth the watch alone. Excited to see future dogfights, have you ever done an F-35 vs Su-57?

  • @S1lverspike

    @S1lverspike

    Жыл бұрын

    That sounds like abuse.

  • @andrewrogers3067

    @andrewrogers3067

    Жыл бұрын

    That’s what I would like. Dogfight then BVR

  • @mr.z6252
    @mr.z6252 Жыл бұрын

    GS: *"That Thing is coming"* Phoenix: *"Suprise Motha Fugga !!!"*

  • @elbryan9
    @elbryan9 Жыл бұрын

    No offense bud, I love your channel, but every time I see you fly against a Tomcat, I hope you lose. That being said, that dogfight was pretty sweet. Should have been a best of three though, just to be sure.

  • @braedynhoward3644

    @braedynhoward3644

    Жыл бұрын

    As an American, every time he flies against a US aircraft I'm rooting for GS to lose XD.

  • @andreyvyborov9185

    @andreyvyborov9185

    Жыл бұрын

    @@braedynhoward3644 as an Russian, i always want to see russian planes as winners, so it's absolutly normal)

  • @jameskester7745

    @jameskester7745

    Жыл бұрын

    @@andreyvyborov9185 for sure, competitiveness is human nature, and as an American, with a long time love for the F14 as a child (even before the movie Top Gun), I always root for it, know matter who's piloting

  • @yellowhammer72

    @yellowhammer72

    Жыл бұрын

    Same

  • @sgt.grinch3299
    @sgt.grinch3299 Жыл бұрын

    Any video with a Tomcat is my favorite. Ouch! That missile hurt.

  • @retluoc
    @retluoc Жыл бұрын

    Hahaha, I heard your opening remarks and you're absolutely right! The MiG 29 is one of the most beautiful modern dogfighters. Countered only by the F-16. But you're right about BVR, the Tomcat was built to be a long-range interceptor. Not sure what BVR weapons you'll allow, but the Phoenix can be fired (it's been a while) but I've heard rumors of almost 100 miles away. It was originally designed to destroy enemy bombers, but if fighter doesn't see it coming...boom 😀 Edit: Holy crap! Your friend is good, I don't how he missed in that pass either! But he was good, keep your speed and altitude against a Fulcrum, or you'll end up on the business end of a 30mm cannon 😆. Second fight: I'll have to look up the Phoenix missle again. I didn't know it could be that effective against fighters.

  • @dsdy1205

    @dsdy1205

    Жыл бұрын

    the Phoenix isn't un-maneuverable. Missile maneuverability depends on missile weight, where admittedly the Phoenix loses, missile wing area, which is massive for the Phoenix, and missile speed, which for the Phoenix is frankly ridiculous, _if you give it enough time to get up to speed_ A Phoenix fired from close in is going to be much more sluggish than a long-range one, simply because the latter has had more time to build energy and hence maneuverability.

  • @alets6211
    @alets6211 Жыл бұрын

    Nice video. Dogfight and BVR. I would like to see tactic review into the same also!

  • @kprincemazechase6334
    @kprincemazechase6334 Жыл бұрын

    good vid man take care

  • @girostade5477
    @girostade5477 Жыл бұрын

    the BVR fight, is impressive

  • @razorback139
    @razorback139 Жыл бұрын

    Whoa.... A very early upload on a Saturday!!?? Amazing!! The Mig-29S is one of the better variants of the Fulcrum 4th Generation Fighter. Plus you can tell S from the standard Fulcrum due to its dorsal hump hence its nickname, the Fatback xD

  • @samuelttvbtw
    @samuelttvbtw Жыл бұрын

    GS in Mig-29: “you guys know I love this thing” Haters and REEers in chat: “He is a KGB spy REE REE REE I hate him REEEE!!!!”

  • @jcmount1305
    @jcmount1305 Жыл бұрын

    Sidewinder is a prophet! Rest assured that thing is coming...........

  • @TLBgaming0330
    @TLBgaming0330 Жыл бұрын

    I would like more of these Dogfights/BVR mix fights

  • @ballzybaits4414
    @ballzybaits4414 Жыл бұрын

    lol. That 2nd round was hilarious.

  • @FS2K4Pilot
    @FS2K4Pilot Жыл бұрын

    Brings back great memories. “Oh, I may have misread this OH SHIT…!” BRRRRRRT!!!

  • @ryz_vik
    @ryz_vik Жыл бұрын

    6 minutes is my best time yet!

  • @dioad1739
    @dioad1739 Жыл бұрын

    Great change up GS really enjoyed, once the phoenix went pit bull that was all she wrote.

  • @Hans_Ft
    @Hans_Ft Жыл бұрын

    Dam, I like this new stuff. Bvr and bfm dogfight in the same vid. If merge with missiles are involved then we got the whole shebang of bvr, guns, and fox 2 or what not dogfight

  • @caleblarsen5490
    @caleblarsen5490 Жыл бұрын

    2:40 that's some freaking Matrix crap right there.

  • @not_falcon3832
    @not_falcon3832 Жыл бұрын

    Cue the jokers "Hi...."

  • @melancholiusmonkey-mann5749
    @melancholiusmonkey-mann5749 Жыл бұрын

    Wow! Awesome BFM skills... you guys!

  • @Robert53area
    @Robert53area Жыл бұрын

    How do you have such comedic timing with that. As soon as you said I don't see contrails, I saw something white just move above the cloud. And the literally seconds later, freeze frame dead. 😆

  • @xxdarkdiamondxx2998
    @xxdarkdiamondxx2998 Жыл бұрын

    I was literally just about to look up a dogfight between these 2😂

  • @Dusther210
    @Dusther210 Жыл бұрын

    Longshot just did a flanker v tomcat video with some guy named goose. This guy seemed pretty brilliant in an F14. I would love to see you getting him on here

  • @ericcallender1575
    @ericcallender1575 Жыл бұрын

    Hmmm..should have evaded. Thanks for sharing.

  • @joshm1660
    @joshm1660 Жыл бұрын

    I like how the Soviets couldn't be bothered to replace the MiG-21 silhouette on the Beryoza.

  • @caspianlimatin9003
    @caspianlimatin9003 Жыл бұрын

    Did you know that you posted this video when it was my birthday the 16th of july

  • @2BachShakur
    @2BachShakur Жыл бұрын

    That BVR engagement was suspenseful, whether intentionally or not. Kept expecting an AIM-54 to hit at any moment.

  • @onogrirwin
    @onogrirwin Жыл бұрын

    Great :) Suggestion - helicopter vs ground attack aircraft, both have fox 2s.

  • @HandFromCoffin
    @HandFromCoffin Жыл бұрын

    OH man.. he had you at 2:39.. I wish you could measure how close the rounds came.

  • @TriggerLRSSG
    @TriggerLRSSG Жыл бұрын

    11:50 Another DCS is a horror game moment.

  • @ace_pilot_7040
    @ace_pilot_7040 Жыл бұрын

    i was just thinking who would win if the f-14 fought the mig-29

  • @cri4921
    @cri4921 Жыл бұрын

    Can you fly the tomcat in bvr more? I've been really waiting for that the most.

  • @casso_4974
    @casso_4974 Жыл бұрын

    The Phoenix: “I am the judge, and the executioner.”

  • @Anarchy_420
    @Anarchy_420 Жыл бұрын

    Please fly the fictional MIG-28 VS MIG-29 dogfight! I think this would be an interesting and entertaining fight! Certainly different👍

  • @Anarchy_420

    @Anarchy_420

    Жыл бұрын

    @@guinnog2 I kno... however we've seen GS do some amazing things with, done more with less so to speak. Just like the concept of old fictional MIG-28 VS newer real MIG-29 both flying the Soviet/Russia colors of their time! Obviously this is a dogfight and again I believe GS could win in The MIG-28/F-5 against The MIG-29 ;)

  • @Hangar-zu8xg
    @Hangar-zu8xg Жыл бұрын

    Big fan of this format! Any chance for more JF-17 action?

  • @slimjim77M
    @slimjim77M Жыл бұрын

    Rare to see GS sleep on a Phoenix missle like that. I knew he was gonna get popped.

  • @jzcski
    @jzcski Жыл бұрын

    Well, at least it’s a fight between the 2 best looking aircraft ever made!

  • @oscarrodriguez9012
    @oscarrodriguez9012 Жыл бұрын

    ouch!!! that Fenix right in the face 😰

  • @CRAZYHORSE19682003
    @CRAZYHORSE19682003 Жыл бұрын

    Commander Pete Mitchel showed that the F-14 own's MIGS, at least the MIG-28.

  • @isverchoon7760
    @isverchoon7760 Жыл бұрын

    11:43 I was eating my BBQ chicken sandwich. Its now all over my screen and keyboard

  • @MikeyNewman1974
    @MikeyNewman1974 Жыл бұрын

    that thing was sooooooooo coming !!!!!!!!!

  • @itsrocketscience9795
    @itsrocketscience9795 Жыл бұрын

    maybe a stupid question but why didnt u dive down instead of a normal notch if the possibility of a phoenix missile launched at u were quite high? to drop chaff while in a notch then to a s split??

  • @unotoli

    @unotoli

    Жыл бұрын

    you mean s-split?

  • @itsrocketscience9795

    @itsrocketscience9795

    Жыл бұрын

    @@unotoli yea something like a split s maneuver

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