By the way, the AIM-9J/P is getting a massive buff next patch, the cage angle is huge now

@gansior4744

11 ай бұрын

Massive info. F-104S Might be very fun

@shipdw7279

11 ай бұрын

Might@@gansior4744

@User90126

11 ай бұрын

Do you know if the swedish rb24j will get the larger cage angle ?

@rickdubbink

11 ай бұрын

@@User90126 should be all of them

@lucky7th331

11 ай бұрын

This is only for pre launch I believe so it shouldnt suffer with flares as much after launch as it should with pre flaring

It’s worth noting that (at least in my experience with the American F-104s) you can deploy flaps above Mach for about 2 seconds before ripping, very useful for those high speed little adjustments for a shot

inb4 somebody asks for what the arrestor hook is used for in real life, it is used for engine run-up tests on the ground as the engine would overpower the wheel brakes and for emergency landing systems on runways. Most USAF jets have one, including the F-16, F-15, F-35A, and F-22.

@Siddich

11 ай бұрын

Also Eurofighter

I feel like the reason the Japanese had a better time with the starfighter is because they actually used it for what it was intended for lol not ground pounding

@cmdrTremyss

11 ай бұрын

Japanese: Wait, what if we use this interceptor for interception? Americans: You can't do that, that's illegal!

@LibranSoldierofFortune

11 ай бұрын

@@cmdrTremyss the Germans and Italians took a jet fully intended for interception and tried to make it a CAS over the G91s they had Lol never-mind the fact that both air forces were still rebuilding experience from WW2 lol go from Me 262, F86-CL13s to BOOM F104s for CAS lol

@spindash64

10 ай бұрын

Iirc, newer US pilots actually had LOWER accident rates than more experienced US pilots in the 104, because when they were told “don’t do that, you’re gonna get yourself killed”, they took that as gospel

@f45411

2 ай бұрын

@@LibranSoldierofFortune the benefit of using a f104 vs g91 for cas is it's raw speed which the G91's airframe could never handle

F-104's can honestly surprise sometimes in a dogfight. Flaps are a must tho

I have to say, I really appreciate you actually offering an opinion on this plane that isn't just "NO FLARES = BAD". Every other review/overview of this plane (and other F-104s) are just 5 very unhelpful minutes of bitching about the lack of flares and then 5 minutes complaining about how it doesn't turn. This is a good review. People! Watch this guy more.

@kylebrady969

11 ай бұрын

Any game with some kind of winning 'meta' is always going to have players that feverishly pursue 'the meta.' Anything that falls outside 'the meta' is therefore probably not worth anything. That's how I see it, anyway

@TimsVariety

11 ай бұрын

Sadly, the "eh .. shit's mid ..." not-even-skin-deep vids get 30x the views this one will.

A minor detail someone flying a Starfighter should keep in mind is that, while turn performance is generally lacking, it will outpull any other jet at altitude and beyond Mach 1. So should you find yourself in an uptier with something chasing you that's just as fast, you'll still be able to outmanoeuvre them if you go high and play your cards right. The Starfighter excels in situations where other planes would lock up.

@user-gv4zb9rc6u

11 ай бұрын

Problem there is then it's just one missile required to kill ya and oh boy howdy are those common.

@BlackThanator

11 ай бұрын

@@user-gv4zb9rc6u True, especially on the flareless versions. There is a chance that in a chase scenario it's already pretty late into the game and your enemies might have expended all their missiles prior, but certainly not a chance you should rely upon.

@magscorch7706

11 ай бұрын

In that situation an R-60 from a MiG-21SMT will take care of you just fine

@ninjax4909

11 ай бұрын

Sparrow enters the chat

9:26 one of the more unrealistic things, since it only should work for the arrestor systems for shortening the landing on ground bases, not aircraft carriers. But since CV's are almost impossible to find outside of air sb...

@TimsVariety

11 ай бұрын

When I first tried it, I honestly expected the hook not to catch and assumed it was just cosmetic ... when I realized it was functional, I had to include it in the review, as goofy and useless as it is.

@emmata98

11 ай бұрын

@@TimsVariety it is functional (also on the ground based F4's and stuff). The only hooks, that don't catch are bugged.

@SCATXXV

11 ай бұрын

@@TimsVarietyWhats life without Japanese planes going into ships wait I mean onto ships

turns out if you dont use an interceptor as a ground levelattacker and dont ban a country from having an airforce and then try and take people from props or basic jets to something competitive in terms of speed with modern jets.. its pretty safe

beautiful video, i promised i watched it all before commenting

Tim I really appreciate that you give the Genuine history of the craft in your war thunder videos. It really is great as I was curious if these actually saw service with japan or just were on of those trainer projects etc.. thanks for the information - about do do some more research now :D

Very good video. Expected nothing less.

To grind through Rank VI and VII I just couldn't with this one, I ended up going with the F-1, it has the same weaponry plus you can do CAS and dogfight on some occasions. Still, this is a great review as always Tim!

With the current state of the game a 10.3 plane with no countermeasures is basically a non starter if you want to have any fun

@slayo710

9 ай бұрын

For real I feel like you would just get murdered playing this thing at 10.3 and are better of with something else. Just seems kinda useless.

As a suggestion, It could be interesting to either have reviews like this cover all the 104s in a single go, or have a dedicated video for each shared plane going through the differences between each one.

Wasn't a fan of any other F-104's but I used this to grind the Japanese jet research tree through necessity and got pretty good with it. Definitely not the worst jet in WT.

@Philliben1991

11 ай бұрын

BTW I disagree about the rocket pods. The air to air missiles on this aircraft are so bad (at least the Aim-9B's and E's) they aren't really worth using. High speed and the vulcan are your main weapons. So I'd only load up 2 air to air missiles and use rocket pods for getting a few ground kills here and there.

wow as soon as i got it i see you tim

My experience with the 104J in regards to the turn time is that like everything else about this plane is situational, I get the best flat horizontal turns at high alt at mach 1.20 (managing to pull 10g's consistently). Low alt, I concur with your observation. If you manage your speed in a dive you can also sustain a long turn with minimal energy loss in a split S. As a rule of thumb never go below mach .90 for more than 3 seconds or you're dead

I love this variant after the Italian F-104 ASA, also it has a cute codename "Eiko" xD

I have a good time flying this in sim battles when 10.0 is in.

F-104 are VERY interesting platforms, but I really can't get over how bad they look, especially from the side. THEY LOOK LIKE A PENCIL WITH TREX ARMS

It can carry 6 Aim-9s now, but it's RWR is technically no longer exists!

I played the F-104J shortly after release and it was a very fun plane to fly in combat for the first year or so. If played right, with its strangely fun BnZ play style, it can slap hard, but I find it overtiered since a few major updates later.

Don't forget they used a bunch as test drones from Iwo Jima. The videos of it are on KZread. Very cool to see.

I skipped out on it completely going up the tree. Just stuck with the F-1 primarily because it was lower BR. Now they're the same so, might be alright to revisit.

Boom and Zoom tactic is an essential to get things right while playing this plane.

@wolfhelm8078

5 ай бұрын

boom and zoom would be viable if you didn't just get obliterated by a front aspect from an unspotted pane

If only it had flairs...

I'd caution in general against anyone using an F104 to ground pound or strafe. You go so fast and have such limited maneuverability that you're very likely to just eat dirt because you could not pull up.

You never made an AH-64 video :( I’d like to see one, or at least something unique like the VBCI or Bradley review

G'day Tim, Now it's strange that this G model (J in japanese service) got to go down in BR but the RoC version is still stuck at 10.7, On that note how do you feel in taking out that G model for extra starfighterness heh. Still It isn't impossible to down ground attack in the Starfighters even ones without CCIP and nearly all AI targets in ARB are prone to destruction from the M61 autocannon (I find cockpit view in a shallow dive while flying at 600-700kmph the best speeds for ARB ground attack). It definitely does get a nice selection of skins this one better then the RoC one since it gets none. The rockets as flares are usable imo but it does suck not having CM although some on the forum suggest it might have had them as one topic goes into in the machinery of war section.

@daddytito917

11 ай бұрын

It went down in br cause it’s got no flares unlike the rest of the G’s, unless the Chinese one also doesn’t get flares in which case lmao

@lordwintertown8284

11 ай бұрын

@@daddytito917 The RoC G model is flareless as well & don't even dare say it's due to the underwing plyons for the ability to carry 2× 750lb'ers and or 2× AGM-12B's as that's a copout vs other Starfighters or any other aircraft around that BR. Somehow the RoC G model still sits at the same BR as the West German one which is the superior G model with 4× AIM-9J's, all the bombs & AGM's plus CM, That's followed by the Italian G model but it only gets 2× AIM-9J's & CM plus a few bombs.

@imlivinginyourceiling

10 ай бұрын

The F-104J has no skins though? Just the ugly looking silver one.

@daddytito917

10 ай бұрын

@@imlivinginyourceiling no it has a blue one

9:25 *Whew!* Barely Made It.

This is the best thing I ever saw.

I spaded this a while ago, and since 12.3 is coming, I’m gonna have to give this the F-104J a revisit. Also, does the F-104J in game have the correct amount of pylons? I heard you say it had additional weapon pylons.

@jfv2312

11 ай бұрын

In real life the JSDAF only used the ventral twin rack for Sidewinder missiles, it was very rare to see one of their F-104s with missiles on the wingtips. This was allowed in WT though

The reason the Avro Shackleton in WT has no torpedoes is that the aircraft was never a maritime patrol bomber but a Long-range Maritime Patrol and Anti-Submarine Warfare aircraft for hunting Soviet Navy submarines. Technically while it could carry a 15,000ib bomb load equally 30 500ib G.P. Mark 4 Free-Fall Bombs or 15 1000ib G.P. Mark 1 Free-Fall Bombs, really it would carry Depth Charges, Sonobouys and the only torpedoes it could carry were British 18" Mark 30 Dealer-B or American Mark 44 Anti-Submarine Warfare torpedoes which aren't in WT as submarines aren't in WT and the Shackletons never carried any conventional anti-surface warfare torpedoes. The two 20mm Hispano Mark 5 cannon in the nose in the MR.3 are for strafing enemy submarines only whereas the MR.1 Shackleton had two 20mm Hispano Mark 5 cannon in the nose and dorsal turrets and two 12.7mm Browning Machine Guns in the tail which was needed at the time whereas the WT Shackleton MR.2 is the pre-service model as the Shackleton MR.2 in service had no guns at all. The Avro Shackleton is basically an aircraft that was created in a time where depth charging a submarine was still done as Anti-Submarine Warfare torpedoes as an ASW weapon had not fully matured to be reliable enough to kill a submarine

@SweetSniper5197

9 ай бұрын

How does this have anything to do with the F-104...

39 seconds ago huh? Damn

@gansior4744

11 ай бұрын

That's a speedrun

Turns better than the goddamn tornado f 3 at least

Gotta love Japanese Camos

Aim9p and rb24j has radar slaving ability, the aim 9j lost the ability to radar slaving

long video to say no flares, skip it (have all the 104's other than the prem one)

@FirstDagger

11 ай бұрын

Was a better grinder than the T-2 or F-1 prior to the coming patch.

Hey Tim could u review the Russian BI?

@TimsVariety

11 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZJaA0ttyls-wnNY.html

When did it get radar missiles?

@borkovitch5227

11 ай бұрын

It doesnt have any, hes just using the radar lock to slave the IR seekerhead a lot.

@sgthop

11 ай бұрын

Never, those are Sidewinders

Any tips for using rockets as flares. I can’t seem to make it work.

@Dave-_-

11 ай бұрын

you have to turn off the afterburner, otherwise even flares wouldn't do their job. and using these rockets to dodge missiles from behind is also not an option.

Cool

How do you get the special paints ? I’ve never seen them before as I’m on console

@lordwintertown8284

11 ай бұрын

Those are from the colour scheme crates which are basically 698 GE and poxy RNG so it may take a few tries & after a few tries if you don't get it early you can scrap skins in the workshop for coupons to try again for the skins, IIRC the blue skin is from a pre 2.01 update crate.

Can you do a video on the Mitsubishi T2 please?

@TimsVariety

11 ай бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3yB0cOsidjIcbg.html

I just use its unbreakable flaps at like 700km it wants to break but any speed above an below you can have them out

where did you get the camo?

Bro's gonna make an april fools review on the lockheed lancer before he reviews the american starfighter variants 💀

@spindash64

10 ай бұрын

Hey, maybe the US A model will get its ANG upgrade by then

Still no F-104A/C review :(

104 players can be so frustrating

Pencil gang

ah politics and corporatism we could've had a Japanese Super tiger but nah just another 104, rip the chances of a super tiger ever in game now

PAIN.

if pain was a plane

Wtf is it with the enemies you get bro? No one does anything about the missiles coming at you!

Airsoft Defense Forces XD

Wish someone gave the F104 Aim 9ms

@FirstDagger

11 ай бұрын

The most modern AIM-9 the F-104 ever used was the AIM-9L on the Italian models.

@FireKaren

11 ай бұрын

Dumb comment

Trash plane honestly