TIMESTAMPS: (0:00) Preview of Ezra discussing Elon Musk (2:16) Unpacking supply side liberalism and the abundance agenda (7:55) Contrasting Ezra’s Buildism with Marc Andreessen and Tyler Cowen (12:30) Why we can't build (17:20) Sponsors: Secureframe | Mercury | MarketerHire (19:40) Unions (22:23) Ezra on what Silicon Valley misunderstands about politics (25:25) Abundance agenda is bipartisan, but will polarize (28:19) Ezra on immigration and free trade (32:45) Reinterpreting Ezra’s book Why We’re Polarized in 2023 (36:00) Institutional distrust (40:50) Davos elite v. Tech Elite v. Crypto Elite (49:12) What makes Elon right wing? (54:00) Chris Caldwell’s theory of polarization (55:55) Has the left gone too far left? (1:02:40) What the president can actually do (1:04:40) The deep state (1:09:27) Where he differs from Patrick Collison (1:13:10) Equality of opportunity vs a sufficient floor (1:14:50) Why inequality matters (1:17:08) Billionaires buying media platforms (1:20:05) Elon and the era of the trickster god (1:24:00) Ezra’s book recommendation

I watched his interview with Sam Harris years ago and it caused me to re-evaluate what it meant to be a "journalist"

@Life_as_Game

Жыл бұрын

I mean, Sam has had his own arc of TDS madness as well (Sam might describe it as Twitter Derangement Syndrome though). I actually found Sam to be a lot better on Lex's latest with him. kzread.info/dash/bejne/g62mzMmfXcK8lM4.html I think Ezra's evaluation of the political landscape to be pretty solid. He certainly has his bias, but trying to acknowledge them and present more neutral terms.

@insaaanestuff

Жыл бұрын

@@Life_as_Game It's not about acknowledging bias, Ez is an incompetent fool with a huge ego who wishes to wield political power to control his fellow man. He is a menace. I saw that lex interview and it was so bad that I had to skip huge portions. He too speaks in the dichotomy of controlling stupid peons. These people are not that smart, and they ought not be in charge of anything...

I appreciated Ezra’s subtle dig at Andreessen’s private NIMBYism

They touched on very important topics - hopefully we have Mr Klein back either on a longer interview where they could get into more depth with these topics they extremely shallowly addressed or a similar duration one with more structure / definition.

What Ezra gets wrong is his assumption that the ends justify the means. He's accepted the notion so fully that he cannot even see it; it is the water he swims through. The entirety of his political worldview relies on this assumption, so his conclusions are almost universally incorrect (excepting the occasional broken clock reprieve). No matter how intelligent and well meaning someone is, if their worldview is built upon a fallacy that they will not examine, they are destined to cause more harm than good. And he's unlikely to question it. Challenge him, and he'll have a prepackaged response ready-to-serve. He's entirely intellectually capable of deconstructing his assumption and rooting out the truth, but he is probably emotionally incapable of doing so with a sufficient degree of self-honesty; it would mean contradicting most of his career, most of what he wants to be true.

@pragersmasher5788

Жыл бұрын

read the entire paragraph waiting to hear of this mysterious "flawed assumption" about how the ends justify the means but I got nothing aside from passionate accusations of bad faith and faux outrage clumsily masked as detached and objective critique. this comment goes to show that politics is increasingly poisoned by the inherent negativity of rhetoric rather than solution-oriented good-faith debate.

@krastinovm

11 ай бұрын

@@pragersmasher5788he neglects thinking of the nature of money the most fundamental problem we face. Everything he talks about is downstream of monetary policy

@pragersmasher5788

11 ай бұрын

@@krastinovm I hope you find the humility within yourself to actually read the works of the journalists you criticize. Klien has written extensively on monetary policy and has interviewed the leading voices in the field including Paul Krugman and Larry Summers. Regardless, it's clear that his focus is on fiscal policy, which makes sense because policymakers and ultimately Americans can control the outcome of said policy. I understand that these questions might be uninteresting to a socio-political band of ostensibly sophisticated libertarians who belong to the laptop class, but the reason why fiscal policy is so important as a matter of debate and social commentary is that we have some democratic power over how to change it. The most sophisticated solution that people of your persuasion have conjured up is to abolish the fed. I fail to see a difference between people who share your assumption and 15-year-old communist brats who want to abolish the CIA. There's nothing exciting to be discovered about money policy in our current state of affairs relative to the monumental advances we've seen in fiscal policy from debt ceiling negotiations to historic anti-poverty programs like the CTC. Additionally, this notion that fiscal policy is downstream from monetary policy is sophomoric. A more mature way to approach the question would be to recognize that factors both within and out of our political ecosystem affect inflation and interest rates in a constant cycle.

@krastinovm

11 ай бұрын

@@pragersmasher5788 Ezras work on monetary policy is limited and built on shaky ground. The only content I could find related to monetary policy is within his interview with Paul Krugman. Using Krugman as a credible source is laughable. He is a state appointed economist and clearly has a conflict of interest with ties to the legacy financial system. He views the bank bailouts as a "win for workers" when there is clear evidence that this had devastating economic consequences by further increasing debt in the US economy and socialized bank losses to the tax base. Banks are rife with corruption and his support of their bailout is egregious. Krugman goes on to say that taxes are overrated as an issue in economic policy which is another flagrantly complicit statement. Out of touch with the average worker and their economic health. Between taxes and inflation, Americans are losing purchasing power over time. Next, I need some clear evidence that we have a “democratic” voice in monetary policy. Our representatives do not serve the masses and central planning of any kind has been proven to be ineffective. Look at the level of spending, fiscal debt and the return we get in the form of goods and services. Ultimately, government spending and debt creation is inflationary-the common person has no sway in how the government spends. I argue that the solution to this problem will not come from the system itself. Usually negotiations on policy result in more spending and more inflation. The system is beyond reprieve and trust in institutions is at an all time low. The solution is to make money private and to allow free market forces to set the interest rate and the supply of money. Your characterization of opposing views is sophomoric and intellectually dishonest.

Dude what? He think things like the IDW came about in opposition to the "Browning of America"? Nuts

I have no idea what Ezra is saying. It’s literally just all word salad 😵‍💫

@Life_as_Game

Жыл бұрын

Happens when you're used to a vocal diet of chicken nuggets. Edit: That was mean and unnecessary, sorry. I don't find Ezra to be talking word salad here. He doesn't fully explain a some concepts or terms, they are more pointers to a longer deep dives. That's pretty typical for a podcast, and it can be difficult to pick up on a conversation if its your first exposure to it. Like, imagine listening to a macro finance podcast for the first time - its a lot of jargon and assumed understandings. Is there a section you are confused by in particular?

i couldn't be less interested in what "ezra klein" has to say.

@asknwclips7672

Жыл бұрын

he just spent the first 17 minutes saying very little.

@otis5d

Жыл бұрын

if only i could give more upvotes

@Life_as_Game

Жыл бұрын

What a rich intellectual life you must live.

@deenzmartin6695

Жыл бұрын

@@Life_as_Game correct.

Dr. Oz was also a uniquely trash candidate to run against, like come on.