EXTREME (In)Efficiency | Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid | Test Drive
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It speaks for itself that the faster you drive, the higher your fuel consumption is. This effect is already immediately noticeable on relatively small speed differences, say 130 kmh instead of 120. But what if we could compare 130 km/h against 315 km/h ?
Enter Porsche Panamera Turbo S e-hybrid in the sexy SportTurismo pre-facelift shape. 680 horsepower and 315 km/h vmax. Back in 2019 I had the car for a week and decided to do something else than a regular test drive. I had an appointment for a video shoot with Audi in Ingolstadt, almost 500 kms from the Nürburgring. My goal? Drive as fast as I possibly can there, and sticking to 130 kmh advised speed limit on the way back and in the end compare the two runs.
Topics and Time Stamps:
00:00 Intro
00:28 Car and Setup
01:03 Disclaimers
01:56 FAST/ V-MAX Trip
09:42 Normal (130 km/h limit) Trip
14:08 Conclusions
16:07 Bonus: 100 km/h limit Test
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I can't imagine having that much HP, an empty autobahn, and not making the pedal touch the floor mat. Props Misha!! 👏👏👏
Really interesting video mate!
@rajjy1976
3 жыл бұрын
Cheers mate
4:22 fuel tank is kept under negative pressure so the fuel shelf life is higher in case you drive a lot in electric only mode. Thats why sometimes you have to wait until pressure equalizes and the fuel cap opens.
@lswrpsahp8985
Жыл бұрын
so cool
@kikyoass
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip
Amazed by how in 130km/h feels like you're stoped intl the midle of the road, as here in Brazil ir you drive this speed feels like you're speed of light comparing ta other cars
@piciu256
3 жыл бұрын
Camera makes the speed look lower too. I cannot imagine zooming past a truck @90kph in the next lane when going 300+, it feels ridiculously fast when going 170 already :P
"Looking at you, Netherlands" :🤣🤣
@mauritsphilipse5884
3 жыл бұрын
Stelletje gekken hier..... ‘co2 uitstoot reduceren’
@mgcharoudin
3 жыл бұрын
@@mauritsphilipse5884 ff de hele wereld redden met 17 mil man. Man man man.
@McRubiego
3 жыл бұрын
@@mgcharoudin Waar en hoe heb je Nederlands geleerd?! Taalwonder Misha, Nederlands, Duits, Engels, Russisch. Legend!
@MacXpert74
3 жыл бұрын
@@mgcharoudin Precies, milieugekkies in Nederland denken dat ze de wereld kunnen redden. LOL!
@jankees4037
3 жыл бұрын
Maybe it isn't allowed but I regularly drive 200+ in the Netherlands. When you know where the police is, it's quite easy. Some simple highway basics and rules and you can speed whatever you like. Just don't do it on the ringroad of Rotterdam or Amsterdam. But the long stretches towards away from the Randstad area, some are even better to speed that the German autobahns. Because of better asphalt quality, better views in long corners (Germany has many times bad views in long curves on autobahns) and also in Netherlands are less long lasting roadworks. That is indeed the disatvantage of Germany. Roadworks take so long.
9:42 "And Mexico" made my day XD
@nadavelkabets
3 жыл бұрын
Why Mexico?
really like the editing and presentation your doing here misha 👍
Daddy's Porsche again? 🤣
@mgcharoudin
3 жыл бұрын
HAHAHA Great memory! Remember when car meets was a thing? Actually, Daddy's Porsche was the non-Turbo I had before this one.
@TheMilenkata
3 жыл бұрын
@@mgcharoudin it was non Turbo yep :)
@jasin677
2 жыл бұрын
What a dumb jelaous coment
Such an interesting review, thanks! 🙌🏻🙌🏻
@mgcharoudin
3 жыл бұрын
Thank you!
7:33 Misha: as you can see I’m fresh and fruity 😂😂😂😂
"Looking at you, Netherlands", ouch that one hurts ;-(
My new favourite - Slavic Engineering Explained ♥️
"There is high price attached to speed", don't do drugs kids! Listen what Misha told ya :)
Really dig the glasses lol.. very suitable when explaining vehicle specs...Russian scientist look😁
Doing 300kmh an hour and still notice take time to love the scenery especially the sky!!! Many after my own heart Great video
Very interesting! A few years back (2014) i did 634km through Austria and Germany with a 2010 E63 (the non turbo engine). 1/3rd of the distance was in germany and due to traffic 240kph was the max possible speed we reached there, while 130kph is the max allowed limit in Austria. And as a law abiding driver i kept to that. I did the whole distance on one fuel tank. (filled up before the start and at the end) and reached 11,12 L/100km. It was summer, the AC was running, we were 4 adults + luggage in the car and we stopped every 2 hours for a short break. (one of the adults was my 80+ year old Grandma) When looking at the numbers you reached with the Porsche, i am quite pleased with what the, at the time you recorded it, at least 9 years older 6.2 V8 without electric help, and without downsizing and coasting features is able to do. (i still have the car)
This is quality content, don't shy away from it during prime season, it's a nice change-up now and then.
Undoubtful proof it was recorded pre-corona: As you can see i'm fresh and fruity :D
@zloychechen5150
3 жыл бұрын
i wonder what's the freshness to fruitiness ratio
It’s slightly weird how you’re morphing into a Robert clone......😂
@edimitris
3 жыл бұрын
😂😂😂😂
"You're Gonna Go Far, Kid" - and fast, with that Porsche :D Underrated Offspring album, loved to see it on Your playlist :)
Just watching this, found it super interesting!
Huge respect for doing this. Thank you!
Fantastic video, love how easily you can switch between fun track videos and more in-depth analysis like this.
This was better than most TV production car shows! Great work! Really smooth to watch
Great video! Loved all the detailed insights and POV footage. Enjoyed watching it - the long wait/edit payed off
Quite interesting, glad you finally released it!
Really enjoyed watching this test, thank you Misha! 😊
I'd love a comparison with a big BMW or Audi diesel, something like a 335d or equally big Audi.
The review came up so good Misha! Really enjoyed this test, something you don’t have every day when seeing a (consumption) test in a car like that. :)
The Sport Turismo is a true enthusiast dream car! And the Hybrid drivetrain adds some extra practicality, truly a good car and wonderful insight, thanks as usual for the Tier One content!
I forgot that i was waiting for this video, Thank you very much Misha !
I remember when you had this car and I knew you had more content from it. Love it!
Thank you Misha, that was really helpful. You clearly know what you are talking about.
such a cool video, glad you decided to upload it even a year later :D
Great video and nice analysis, cheers
i would like to see more of these kind of videos really enjoyed it , Thx misha !
Found your channel today. These are exactly the kinds of videos I'm looking for, especially for a Dream Estate. Thank you!
Proper cool vid Misha as always! 👌🏻🤟🏻
Perfect family car. ❤️👍
@edwardfrench945
3 жыл бұрын
Really enjoyed that upload Misha and great detail. Thank you Tier 1.
I tell you man, when you have more patience than me. If I see empty straight, I go BRAP BRAP ZOOOM! As always, amazing videos Comrad!!
This video was great. Thank you
i've always wanted to know that, seriously! thx :D
I started watching Micha to switch off from the current situation. Great no brainer but sensible coverage of the Ring and others. Keep up the great videos, really good work. The measures/conversion in the video are very informative:-) Night driving at 315kph on the Motorway/Interstate/Autobahn/Autoroute etc. is certainly an eye opener!
Super Jelly Misha, that looked like a friggin blast and a half! #KickTheTiresAndLightTheFires
Man you deserve a million subs. One day I'm coming to visiting you in Germany for a Nordschleife experience :)
I prefer this kind of presentation. Great video misha!
Thanks a lot for your resarch
A Volvo V60 D3 owner: Sees fuel bill. Is in shock.
@jankees4037
3 жыл бұрын
But then again your diesel doesn't do 300+ or 250+ or even 225+.
@DanijelTurina973
3 жыл бұрын
@@jankees4037 It does 220, which hardly matters since the speed limit is 130 where I live.
@chris7605
3 жыл бұрын
Well...when you can afford a 150k euro car, i'm pretty sure you don't care the gas bills. There are much more efficient cars with diesel engine that can have an average speed very similar to that Porsche. In 2010, i got a Cayenne S for 2 weeks. I kept it most of the time in the garage (20 l/100km). I prefer to have a 911 and a medium diesel car at my disposal.
Great video! Nice to see that the 680hp Porsche needs as much fuel at 130 as my Cupra 🥲
Yes! Random facts! :) I just got a speeding ticket two weeks ago and if I get another excessive speeding ticket in the next two years they can take my car away for two months. This time it was only a week. I am now learning how good fuel consumption is at the speed limit.
That was so interesting. Thanks!
such an informative video. Loved it..thanks man!
Great, this was so interesting to watch. I hope to see similar stuff in the future
Great great video Misha!
A Test we never needed but now we do...👍
excellent, nice review - interesting to see and hear !
Good guy! Good test! Thanks ;)
Just casually cruising at 310km/hour Unreal machine 👏 Great video 👍
Excellent video - well done!
Mooi wetenschappelijk onderbouwd Misha.
Great video, really interesting to see the real world difference.
Awesome vid glad you endured the trip home. Pretty cool to watch u drop mpg at end
this is the best content from a automotive youtuber I have seen for a long long time! real car guy doing real car guy stuff. you should drive more on the road, thank you
Evening Misha that was a well calculated fuel consumption review
Thank you for this video
That was pretty interesting ! I’m subscribed now! Thank you for that video.
great video Misha. Shows there is a car that does most things pretty well.
I drive myself a panamera 4s diesel pre facelift. That car can go over 1000 km with a full tank. These high horsepower petrol cars are fun for 1-2 hours but long distance travel is made for powerful diesel engines. I had a bmw 7 g11. That thing went 220 km/h and had like 1900 rpms. But neverless this thing is a beautiful heavy beast. Propps to the quality of the video. There is nothing more beautiful than a empty autobahn and a car like the panamera.
@sstetsiv
Жыл бұрын
its fact - bmw 7 with 3 litre diesel is one of most efficient car
Sehr interessantes Video. Thank's! Have a nice evening ✌☺
GENIUS!!!
Great video. I think we need more video like this for guide us what car to buy for long drive.
Bravo for this (fast and not furious) test Misha. Both variations of a theme, really interesting. This could become a standard, like doug scores.
That was really interesting, Misha. It was funny seeing you pop up on Super GT’s stream over the weekend.
Awesome video Misha, I always wanted to see comparison like that. Was wondering how much quicker and more expensive it would be if I had access to the unlimited (even not all the time) road to drive. And now I know, thank you for that :)
Class video misha 🙌🙌what a car 😎great vid as ever nice mixing it up content wise 🙌🙌🙌😉
4:20 . it takes a few seconds for the gas cap to open because the gas tanks in PHEVs are pressurised and hermetically sealed. a PHEV can drive for months in electric only so the gas tank must trap the vapors that may form.
One of my favourite cars...
Love this car!!!
5:40 AWESOME content, Misha
Awesome video mate, also love that car especially in the shaggin wagon, they look excellent, Rj watching from Oz
Great Video Micha
Very nice and informative video. Thank you Misha! I really like the fact that you did the return trip on sensible 130kmh speed which is very much applicable here in Finland at highways. This allows me to estimate how much such a car would consume and also gives idea how would be the panamera 4 e-hybrid sport turismo perform (I'm considering purchasing one).
That nite view wicked..sweet ride
I like this bro science analysis)) Миша красавчик!
Good idea for the comparison 👍🏻
Just love that car
Smooth 👊🏻🥨
great video!!
Very cool!
Niceee , this is actually really fun , I do it all the time ( fast vs slow driving)
Great work
Great video
I miss the Autobahn! Cool comparison :)
Great video man! Lets get your channel to 1million subs!!!
Echo: surprisingly interesting video. "Sport Plus, bye!"
Nice observations. I actually like the low ISO night time exposure. Germany is beautiful.
I appreciate your suffering on the way back, Misha. Lol!!!
Damm i didn't know it was that expensive!! Great video
This is a very interesting video Misha. It makes sense that the fuel efficiency does not decrease with the same proportion the speed increased which I will explain below if anyone is interested. The first part is that the relationship between fuel efficiency and speed is non-linear mainly due to the non-linearity of the resistive forces with increased speed. These resistive forces in modern day vehicles are typically dominated by air resistance. The formula for air resistance at a given speed is Fd = 0.5*p*(v^2)*Cd*A. In this case (assuming the air density is largely the same between runs) "p", "Cd" and "A" are constant values and can therefore be excluded for this comparison. This means that the drag force (Fd) is directly proportional to the square of the velocity (v). If we put some numbers into this theory, we can show that the linear relationship between 102 km/h and 164 km/h is ~1.61 whereas the relationship of the squares is ~2.59. This means the engine is having to do 2.59 times instead of 1.61 times more work just to overcome the increase in air resistance. Why is this relationship of the squares (2.59) not the same as the relationship of the fuel consumption figures (3.37)? Well, this leads to the second part, the ratios are not the same because combustion engines are designed to be more efficient at certain RPMs, usually cruising RPMs in the region of 2000 to 3500. I am not a chemical or powertrain engineer, so I cannot comment further on specifically how this works or why this range is chosen. However, what it means is that the RPM at 102 km/h is causing the engine to be relatively more efficient than at 164 km/h (made worse by the fact Misha was driving for some parts at 315 km/h with revs higher than 6000 RPM).
High increase of fuel usage explained...please bear with me. We don't live in a vacuum. Air density is about 0.001225 g/cm cubed. The frontal area of a Porsche Panamera is 2.33 m squared. The drag coefficient of a Porsche Panamera is 0.30. At 300 km/h the drag force is 2,973 Newtons. While traveling at 130 km/h the drag force is only 558.3 Newtons. In fluid dynamics, whether it's air or water the drag increases exponentially as speed increases. This is why it takes three times the fuel to drive 300 km/h. Thanks for the video Misha, I enjoyed it.