‘Extraordinary’ for Liz Truss and Jacob Rees-Mogg to hail themselves as ‘popular’ Conservatives
“Satire is dead."
As Liz Truss’s Popular Conservatism movement, known as PopCon, host a conference days after the general election, Tory peer Daniel Finkelstein says it’s “infuriating” and “an insult to other Conservatives”. Peter Mandelson wonders “who in their right mind” would support Suella Braverman, describing her as a “mean, carping, disloyal individual”.
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The Conservatives losing, with Rees-Mogg and Truss losing their seats was the perfect hat-track for me.
@christinegivens9048
23 күн бұрын
✅
@DneilB007
20 күн бұрын
With Rees-Mogg, should that not be “the perfect top-hat trick”?
@rhodarobertson9835
15 күн бұрын
Could not have happened to better people the two who.are hated the most
So popular that they lost their seats.🤡💩
@Cw90118
26 күн бұрын
They're also all backed by the IEA - the think tank that backed Truss and her mini budget.
@TheLucanicLord
25 күн бұрын
Popular among certain people. Mainly themselves.
@marythorpe928
25 күн бұрын
I am soo happy that they have bben unseated
@andrewtoop4764
24 күн бұрын
@@Cw90118 Their thinking tanked
Liz Truss' lack of self awareness is staggering.
@davidg3944
26 күн бұрын
It's a level of perfection unachievable by those more neurotypical.
@robertandrews5640
25 күн бұрын
AH i think SHE is ONLY aware of HERSELF
@scriptguru4669
24 күн бұрын
I disagree, I think she seems pretty sentient for a lettuce.
@mightyone3737
22 күн бұрын
@@scriptguru4669 She was technically beaten by the lettuce, wasn't she? She's sub-lettuce.
@fordpopular8792
21 күн бұрын
Lovely pension though....ex Prime Minister !
If Danny thinks 2010 is worse than today then he is frankly delusional. 1. Debt was just over 1 trillion now pushing 3 trillion 2. Economy was growing, now it is stagnant. 3. NHS had its lowest waiting times now the NHS is in pieces. Add to that falling down schools and prisons and poo in our rivers. But if you think things now are better, sure they are pal, back to bed for you nurse will be along shortly.
@fordpopular8792
21 күн бұрын
I remember Labour PFI (Private Finance Initiative) where the Labour Party built Schools, Hospitals, CFE Colleges and the Country is still paying off this debt, bankrupting Schools and Hospitals as it comes out of their budgets
@auldfouter8661
20 күн бұрын
Figures last week ( after this video) showed quarterly growth the best for two years - so not stagnant.
@cybergornstartrooper2157
8 күн бұрын
@@auldfouter8661 That’s because we have a Labour government now😆 but seriously I don’t think 0.7% counts as real growth.
@auldfouter8661
8 күн бұрын
@@cybergornstartrooper2157 Around the world quarterly growth of 0.7 ( 2.8% annualised ) is cogent and def not stagnant.
@booradley6832
5 күн бұрын
That growth is still far, far below what it should be. Investor and consumer confidence were shattered. There seems to be a universal deficiency among conservatives in recognizing that government jobs are always a net positive. Someone making 60,000 a year then spends that on housing, groceries, transportation, entertainment, restaurants- the things that move your economy and pay people with private sector jobs to perform services. I have seen it estimated that every pound paid by the government is recycled 7 times on average before becoming frozen in something like a bond or savings account. As long as you can average 14.4% tax this means everything paid to government employees is budget neutral or even creates a surplus. Saving taxes to someone who makes 600k+ a year gets a fair chunk of that out of the economy to sit in investments or offshore accounts so it escapes the tax cycle. But the idea of "muh taxes" seems to preclude them from thinking about anything at all other than being made about it, no matter how illogical
Rees-Mogg and Truss are beyond satire. You couldn't make them up.
@mobsiesixsixsix9785
26 күн бұрын
Which is a shame as we could have just thrown the book away.
@richardhoward7503
26 күн бұрын
Though Nerine Skinner does a good job with Truss.
@marcusott2973
26 күн бұрын
They are an amalgamation of various Monty Python sketches.
@marcovtjev
26 күн бұрын
Not entirely. They know they are/will become irrelevant without being in the news regularly, so the group around them makes sure they are in the news. Their audience is not the public but extreme right libertarian donors.
@richardhoward7503
26 күн бұрын
@@marcusott2973 Moggy is definitely a contender for Upper Class Twit of the Year.
If they were popular, they wouldn't be unemployed, they still be MPs.
@vincentvangogh8092
25 күн бұрын
They had a broader popularity which didnt necesarily defend their seat, they certainly had their fans he was entertaining to some. I cant see anything to like about Truss though to be honest
@chrissexporn9182
25 күн бұрын
We vote for parties, not individual candidates.
@Nemothewonderfish
25 күн бұрын
"Remoaner liberal elite establishment rigged the election" Or similar crazy talk.
@gareth2736
23 күн бұрын
@@vincentvangogh8092He was at his best when interviewed by Ali G came across as a likable but a bit weird then. I would be interested to know to what extent he is real and to what extent he is a character he plays - when he was interviewed by Ali G it did seem like two people playing a role not just one.
@jstewart4205
21 күн бұрын
The true term is "Popular Conservatism" - It's about policies, not people.
"Whatever happened to the Popular Conservative Front?" "She's over there."
As popular as a portable toilet on the last day of a hot Bank Holiday weekend.
Hard to put into words the ridiculousness of these people.
@tonyduncan9852
26 күн бұрын
See above.
Popular? Even their own families can't stand them. 😂
@adblocker276
26 күн бұрын
I have a feeling their parents are probably much worse people.
@mobsiesixsixsix9785
26 күн бұрын
@@adblocker276 Well Stanley Patrick Johnson springs to mind.
@walter3433
26 күн бұрын
Jacob's nanny speaks very highly of him
@apollonia-ava
26 күн бұрын
@@adblocker276William Rees Mogg ??
@robertandrews5640
25 күн бұрын
NOT quite CERTAIN ABOUT that I THINK that JACOB REES MOGG WILL HAVE no ISSUES from his family.
The sweet, sweet smell of delusion. 😂😂
@davidg3944
26 күн бұрын
Smells something like a rotting corpse, I'd imagine...
The lack of self awareness of these pompous chancer narcissists is both staggering and depressingly predictable 😵💫
@portcullis5622
26 күн бұрын
@@fusionfan6883 I learned from having a horrible narcissistic boss, that these type of people usually have no self-awareness whatsoever, but genuinely believe that they are very self-aware!
@fusionfan6883
26 күн бұрын
@@portcullis5622 I was a whistle blower against such a boss who bullied our team for 5 years.
If Liz Truss is 'popular' I'm a banana
@Dbdbe1
26 күн бұрын
Surely a lettuce…
@garyjohnson9459
26 күн бұрын
Beep Beep I’m a jeep
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence
26 күн бұрын
A Romaine Banana ?
@davidg3944
26 күн бұрын
I find this comment quite a-pealing.
@tonyduncan9852
19 күн бұрын
You are perfectly safe.
Their Arrogance was & is Astounding.
Perhaps we should stop rewarding sociopaths by putting them in positions of power? These destructive people should be kept WELL AWAY (yes, I am yelling!) from government! Have we learned nothing from thousands of years of damage from such folks?
@fainitesbarley2245
19 күн бұрын
Apparently not. We keep electing them.
I watched some of the footage of Pop Con and saw a lot of people that were totally out of step with the real world and blaming “gaffes” rather than the terrible governance over the last 8-14 years. It’s rather entertaining to watch people not realizing that they’re the problem regardless of the obvious information in-front of them.
@patchso
26 күн бұрын
They’re not a feature, they’re a bug.
Truss in particular, is ripe for some sort of medical intervention,
@spookyt8692
26 күн бұрын
*experimentation
@marcusott2973
26 күн бұрын
And Reese Mogg for a historical intervention...
@samhartford8677
26 күн бұрын
She probably already had a lobotomy.
@willc1294
26 күн бұрын
The lobotomy obviously was a failure...
@philipcollins218
26 күн бұрын
Finally the family can do a long awaited intervention. There are many mental health facilities that can deal with her insanity- with the correct treatment returning to reality within a year. I wish her best in her journey sanity. 回
I watched some of the footage of Pop Con and saw a lot of people that were totally out of step with the real world and blaming “gaffes” rather than the terrible governance over the last 8-14 years. It’s rather entertaining to watch people not realizing that they’re the problem regardless of the obvious information in-front of them
@simonkapadia7582
25 күн бұрын
I don't suppose they can realise that they're the problem. There's a common problem, it has been seen throughout the west in studies, where a large portions of people believe that 'the public', and specifically good, reasonable right-thinking people share their own views. This is one reason it's so easy and tempting for certain people to believe in electoral fraud in the absence of evidence, after all, "the people" are on their side. People are incredibly good at self-justification, and one way they do that is to presume they're in the majority (sometimes the "silent majority"). It's also part of the paradox whereby anti-authority voters support authoritarianism, they feel they need a strong outsider to break up the power structure (because the majority they imagine they represent is somehow being shut out), but what they usually get is an opportunist who is exploiting them to obtain power. It's the real dark side to cynicism about politics. The things that are wrong with politics, in most cases are just as much or more a consequence of what the public chooses to reward or punish, as it is a sinister motive on the part of politicians. The nimbyism argument of course epitomises one aspect of that, but the same could be said of political language. Politicians are aware that everything they say a) will reach a complex mixture of different people, and they will be punished more for offending a portion of that audience than rewarded for pleasing another portion, b) decontextualised, reframed or otherwise misrepresented, c) reduced to a simple, punchy, salient concept rather than a nuanced argument. So they tightly control messaging, and then of course people begin to yearn for people who "speak their minds", and while some people are excellent at extemporisation under pressure, a lot of the people who "speak their minds" are in fact populists who benefit from being criticised for the things the say, so that they serve as a proxy for members of the public who feel their views are marginalised. long rambling reply, so I apologise for that, but eh, people don't read these anyway.
'‘Extraordinary’ for Liz Truss and Jacob Rees-Mogg to hail themselves as ‘popular’ Conservatives'. It's foolish to try to account for what nutters think.
The problem is that George Osborne had no economic experience and he is just a liar. There was no emergency in 2010. Alistair Darling's economic plan had us in recovery, budget surplus, by 2015 and we were on track for that in 2010 by the election. Osborne implemented additional, further, cuts that were not necessary and choked growth and stability. Rachel Reeves has buckets of economic experience.
@harrybrownrigg9057
23 күн бұрын
Is that why labour left a note for the incoming Tory government saying "there's no money left"? This actually happened by the way.
@MattBooth
23 күн бұрын
@@harrybrownrigg9057 the running joke note that previous outgoing ministers used to leave for each other? Are you still swallowing that Tory load?
@michaelrowsell1160
23 күн бұрын
Two years of austerity was needed .As Germany does this every ten tears . But continuous austerity is madness . The Labour government had thrown money at the public sector ,stolen from the private sector .
@hiraldosternflyer7112
23 күн бұрын
@@harrybrownrigg9057 You really need to give your head a wobble, mate.
@harrybrownrigg9057
22 күн бұрын
@@hiraldosternflyer7112 How to say something without saying anything at all 🙄
Liz Truss in America, bantering with Steve Bannon and Nigel Farage was a truly pathetic sight.
@willc1294
26 күн бұрын
Pity the mad cow doesn't get locked up like Bannon the Hutt. Although it's really a mental institution loonie lizzie belongs in
I wish Suella Bravaman lost her seat so the Tory evolve.
Jacob wouldn't be a man of the people if the people was factory owners in the 1780s.
They’re about as popular as two rattlesnakes in a lucky dip.
A Popular Conservative. That's like saying a Popular Tumour or an Intelligent Reform Voter. Ps - I'm getting grief for idiosyncratic spelling - the point is "contradiction in terms": eg 'brexit benefits' or 'Johnson promises'
@Nick-X
26 күн бұрын
Why have you capitalized popular, tumour and voter? 😐🧐
@IrateTurkey
26 күн бұрын
@Nick-X because he's far more intelligent than the rest of us knuckle draggers apparently.
@garyjohnson9459
26 күн бұрын
A popular Conservative. That is like saying a popular tumour or an intelligent Reform voter. Ok now
@mobsiesixsixsix9785
26 күн бұрын
@@Nick-X Are you a bit thick?
@robinsanders5541
26 күн бұрын
“An extreme LibDem”
The highlight of the election was Mogg getting the boot.
Liz Truss needs to learn the difference between popular and populist. And then she needs to learn what populism actually entails.
@anthonykelly1649
25 күн бұрын
Indeed, much like people putting flags in their profiles.
So the horror movie we all just lived through has a sequel... return of the lettuce.
@richardhoward7503
26 күн бұрын
Nah, she's just cos-playing.
@joelogjam9163
26 күн бұрын
Pork Markets 2 - Squeal, piggy, squeal!
You don't need mind altering drugs to listen to drill. As a matter of fact, mind altering drugs are not part of drill culture. Off to watch something less condescending. Still Disappointed...
Get out of bed earlier each morning so we can all gloat about "Our Overwhelming Labour Victory" for longer every day !😋😋😍
Perhaps Truss could get a job as Mogg's nanny.
Liz Truss, Suella Bravermans and Jacob Rees-Moog are so out of reality.... Geez...
The real pressing question is how is Jacob Reese Moggs nanny coping?
@hypsyzygy506
25 күн бұрын
Nanny always copes.
Once again i'd love to know what we're meant to worry about when it comes to "The extreme left"
@mobsiesixsixsix9785
26 күн бұрын
It means they won't get any of our money if they have decent politicians in power.
@GorgeDawes
26 күн бұрын
It’s never defined and that is entirely deliberate.
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence
26 күн бұрын
Extremely compassionate and extremely sensible. The despised wokerati of course!
Can't take Liz Truss seriously with her portrait of Prince (the singer) dressed as Nelson. Totally disrespectful for a British PM. What conservative patriot would replace the face of Nelson in a portrait in their office?
Surely the real question is this: what is being done to address the undiagnosed mental health problems of the 11,217 people who continued to vote for Truss?
It's so ridiculous that they consider Stahmer as far left
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence
26 күн бұрын
He's as far left as the markings down the middle of the road.
@pauln6803
25 күн бұрын
They don't. It's just red meat for the Tory crowd and hoping it will scare the less politically aware. “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."
democracy came from the greeks....and how they paid for things was constantly finding the richest person and making them pay.
@georgesdelatour
24 күн бұрын
The Athenians had slaves
@jpgpearson
24 күн бұрын
@@georgesdelatour yes you got to understand what democracy is….it’s a sociopathic reaction to psychopaths…..there is only one correct way of thinking caring and sharing, so why would you let people vote and you need to get rid of money, as we have new methods of communication.
Put Farage on the Agriculture and Fisheries Select Committee…..interesting discussions abound
How about the Popular Peoples' Front.
@davidg3944
26 күн бұрын
Splitters!
Calling new Labour MPs *Starmtroopers* made me spit coffee down my t shirt 😂
@davidmanning7912
25 күн бұрын
Yes, we'll hear that a few times in the coming years
Jacob is so popular that wherever he goes he needs his nanny to look after him
If only there had recently been a good time to reveal the secret of how to make the Conservatives popular ;-)
Maybe they meant populist… Although they are clearly unpopular populists.
Don't comment on things you don't know about. That's not drill.
"tory brainbox" is a contradiction of terms.
These people have absolutely no sense of the ridiculous or ludicrous but those are probably the only things that save them from despising themselves and their behaviour.
“Pop” as in a burst balloon?
Are Mogg and Truss saying it was all just performance art? 😮
Popular with who exactly? Each other?
Thought we were rid of these two for a while. Guess we still can't have nice things.
Drill..that wasn t drill!!😅
Think deluded is the right thing to say about ms truss and mogg
Can`t wait for ian hislops` response!
@georgesdelatour
24 күн бұрын
I expect Hislop will continue running Private Eye as if the Conservatives are still the government of the country. He has a more anachronistic, 1950s idea of where power actually lies in Britain than Richard Ingrams had. Re-calibrating his priors to be able to satirise the people who have real power in 2024 is probably beyond him.
British satire comedy at its best.
Karma…aaaahhh!
When you look at these deluded people it's quite obvious why countries in the dire state it's in as they were in important government positions making important decisions for years.
So what you are actually saying people and the Tory party do not put the country first. Then you wonder why they lost !!
From an Australian’s point of view, this os delusional and funny !!!
@jonm7272
24 күн бұрын
Yeh, because Australia has literally zero political issues, just ask the indigenous people.
@talideon
23 күн бұрын
@@jonm7272 Every country has its issues. However, the UK has looked particularly clownish for some time now.
@jonm7272
23 күн бұрын
@@talideon this is absolutely true, luckily we did something about that in our general election last week. I was particularly responding to the "As an Australian..." in the OP's comment. As if this suggests some kind of political superiority.
Tories have lost the feel good factor they in shock .how dare they do that to us how the mighty have fallen.
Well them losing their seats was certainly popular.
11:18 the graft and corruption under the previous government was unparalleled. I’d hope they focus on that crime and cronyism rather than simple inefficiency
Labour should go after all the fraud perpetrated by the tories and get back the money that was stolen from the public purse. Just as vigorously as the tories pursued the people claiming benefits. That would help to cut taxes or go towards the nhs where it should have been spent.
Mandelson saying 'Drill?' with complete bewilderment is absolutely iconic. One can see the cogs turning trying to think of all the definitions of the word drill and how it related to that piece of audio 😂
Truss is unpopular. But Jacob Rees Mogg is definitely a rather popular figure on the right. The fact that he lost his seat comes down to the Tory parties unpopularity coupled with the fact that it has always been a marginal between Labour and Conservative.
The newly elected government has started in an energetic matter consulting regions & countries in the United Kingdom, consulting with European countries on a new post brexit arrangement. A new arrangement with Europe is essential if we wish to see a growing economy . More cooperation would mean less red tape for businesses dealing with Europe, more joint investment shared with EU and UK . The route is closer alignment but just short of being in the Single Market or Customs Union in respect of the Referendum result. Instead of freedom of movement, I recommend 'Priority Boarding ' budget airline style where we allow EU citizens priority for migration to people outside the EU.
This is why Trump wants to do away with silly things like elections
Mandelson back in power..WOE WOE AND THRICE WOE !!
I've seen many mics with logos on put in front of interviewees but this is the first time I've seen the mics become the stars of the show!
Boris Johnson's coalition was a mad one that could never survive - what has Merthyr got to do with Godalming? And why would Surrey suddenly pay for Newcastle to 'Level up'? Great to see that charade fall apart and dissolve into recrimination. Unite the right? On what? There has to be a significant risk of disintegration. Excellent! :D
"Carry On Conservatives"
No doubt they were popular Dinosaurs we're popular before they were wiped out Starmergeddon❤
@Glasgow_kiss
26 күн бұрын
dinosaurs were popular with whom?
@countycod123
26 күн бұрын
@Glasgow_kiss there was alot of them and they were successful. End of. Looking at the Tory front bench today. It was full of Dinosaurs past psst and past . It was a scene from the Dawn of The Dead 🤣🤣🤣
@gareth2736
23 күн бұрын
@@Glasgow_kissI like dinosaurs
@Glasgow_kiss
23 күн бұрын
@@countycod123 who were they popular with? who was cheering them on?. i dont think the words you use mean what you think they do.
@countycod123
23 күн бұрын
@@Glasgow_kiss The Tories are extinct
Populist more like, not popular.
Must admit, the more I listen to Mr Finkelstein the more I like him - even though he's a Conservative!
I like them, they made me laugh so hard I dislocated a rib.
@robinsanders5541
26 күн бұрын
Medically impressive! Hopefully the NHS reforms will go well for you.
Popular Cons. says it all 😂
The Tories have squandered vast amounts of public money on medicals for the disabled, back-to-work programs, universal credit, etc etc. They also pumped vast amounts of money into education reforms. None of which had much success. Moreover, if Labour start building council houses at cheaper rents than private landlords, it might shave billions off housing benefit. Plus if Labour is successful in taxing the energy companies that will free up billions currently being spent on rebates for extortionate gas bills, thus freeing up money to be spent somewhere else. The idea that the Tory Party are the frugal party is a total misnomer. On their own pet projects they have been spendthrifts,
There's a reason the thick of it hasn't had a new season. The times is included in this you so enabled them
Good panel tonight.........
Finally the family can do a long awaited intervention for Liz truss . There are many mental health facilities that can deal with her insanity- with the right asylum and correct treatment - returning to a basic functioning reality within a year. I wish her best in her mental health journey back to reality. 回
Not Popcon,. NatCon. You laugh at them, but that is what totalitarian regimes do. "Let us step up the building of a prosperous country by applying..............patriotism". is a North Korean slogan. Everyone laughs sat these people until they get the power that they need to do what they want.
You've gor mandelson on, and the title is... satire isn't dead
Maybe the "pop" is with reference to how they exploded the party from within !!
Truss can now retire to her coven in the forest and focus on making gout potions for the villagers, speaking with the animals and making ointments in her cauldron. It's nature and there will be more balance in the Force.
Their are a number of Conservatives who have left the party because of its anti-immigrant stance as well as its BREXIT stance which seems to be the hardest BREXIT it could get away with. Those need to be brought back into the fold which means a move much more towards to centre. Its policies which split families up (because one was born on the wrong side of a border), the way that it wanted to ignore the law, which is the exact opposite of what the Conservatives used to describe itself. Chasing after the Reform/UKIP vote is precisely the opposite of what it should do and it needs to return to being the broad church it was which led to it leading this country more than any other in the post WWII years.
Very interesting exchange! Thank you.
Section the Truss!!
@davidg3944
26 күн бұрын
This truss is missing its rivets!
I love listening to a group of completely out of touch people telling us what government MUST do to serve the people.
Even Monty Python would have trouble making the Mogg and Truss show appear more ridiculous than it already is. This is grossly unfair to both political pundits and comedians.
You know you're in deep doodoo when the chancellor compares your fiscal situation to Ireland
It's maybe because I hail from a country (Canada) that has rather more geography than Britain does, but I have NEVER understood how building homes for young families and badly needed immigrants became a political PROBLEM in the UK - and for your Tories in particular. Our Tories here (I'm one of them) are very much champions of homebuilding - home owners are natural Tories, after all - so much so that elected Tories at the provincial level are regularly criticised as being in the pockets of the residential construction sector... It looks to me like Labour there are positioning themselves as the party of and for the property owning middle classes - i.e. where the large majority of voters are in any wealthy country.
@freebornjohn2687
26 күн бұрын
The new homes will be built where a lot of Tories live and they don't want them there.
@bakedbean37
26 күн бұрын
@@freebornjohn2687 And those that do get built they'll want to snap up for buy to let investments as their personal little nest eggs. Stuff the rest of us.
@PeloquinDavid
25 күн бұрын
@@freebornjohn2687 That many such houses (especially medium-density housing near transport hubs outside urban cores and single-family housing in suburban areas beyond greenbelts) would be built in areas where Tories live - and typically tend to elect Tory MPs - is just as true in Canada as in the UK. Yet bringing more people into an area tends to drive up property values - not something your average property-owning Tory (or non-Tory, for that matter) in THIS country minds one bit! So what on earth is up with UK property owners (Tory or otherwise)???
You enabled these people. You did that
Its time we made shame popular again. Rees-Mogg & Truss would be high on the list.
This Finkelstein dude should be deported.
The idea that business people are savants of efficiency is absolute bunk. They are experts in marketing, manipulation and hiding their inefficiencies from shareholders.
Mogg is genuinely popular but Truss needs her head examined.
eeer...banking crisis of 2008? Finke;stein is SOOO disingenuous.
@bakedbean37
26 күн бұрын
No more so than Sterm-trooper Mandy and his brazen and constant undermining of Corbyn whilst going on about loyalty to the elected leader of the party.
Inflated Ego''s have blinded them to the truth!
anyone got the link to the song?
About as popular as syphilis!
@ArtyFactual_Intelligence
26 күн бұрын
Chlamydia has had a resurge in CLacton behind the bins since Farridge hit town.