the episode was perfectly ok when the the man was actually on trial for the allegations, banning it 10 years after his death seems ridiculous

@MagusMarquillin

5 жыл бұрын

It really showcases how the culture has shifted - I'm counting on gravity to pull the penduleum back a bit soon.

@MungkaeX

5 жыл бұрын

@@MagusMarquillin Wait, culture shifts? So I can't go around grabbing ladies by their p***y as a formal greeting anymore? Well this is a fine how-do-you-do!

@davidgusquiloor2665

5 жыл бұрын

This is what bothers me. Why now? What changed that makes it worse than it was before? It's weird.

@MungkaeX

5 жыл бұрын

@@davidgusquiloor2665 I'd argue it should have been pulled September 9th, 1991 @ 8pm sharp. But better late than never. Honestly the documentary has gotten enough buzz around it that anyone who is tangentially connected to MJ has to do something no one has been forced to previously: Take a Side. Previously it was acceptable to give a non-comital response and move on, leaving enough plausible deniability to go either way for anyone who is firmly on either side. Ok, perhaps it wasn't acceptable, but no one was holding anyones feet to the fire either.

@shorewall

5 жыл бұрын

@@MungkaeX Burning Books doesn't prevent this from happening again. I'm sure every pedophile would love the evidence of their crimes to be censored. That way people don't learn from it. That is how things like MJ, and Weinstein happen. Silence. That episode would start conversations, important ones. And the Simpsons could donate the proceeds to anti child abuse causes to actually do some good, and not just bury their shame. It's a PR move, and it's chickenshit.

It's a complicated situation, but I think that sweeping the episode under the rug and pretending it never happened is definitely wrong, and not just because it's a good episode.

@benmalsky9834

9 ай бұрын

I also firmly believe that when it comes to Michael Jackson, his talent and skills and his artist should continued to be embraced for generations. I’m sure many people can attest to that, that no matter how messy someone was in real life, that their art is timeless.

I'm still think he's just Barney with a shaved head.

@foxtoons1999

5 жыл бұрын

I dunno, he's a little taller than Barney.

@stefan1024

5 жыл бұрын

He's Kearney's dad.

@skulmarus

5 жыл бұрын

And now I can't unsee it.

@rexsexson5349

4 жыл бұрын

He's Bobby's Dad. Wait that's another show.

@adrianothegoat

3 жыл бұрын

@@stefan1024 yesh

"I'm not popular enough to be different!" Love the commentary of that line. I ironically quote that line all the time. Also love: "You mean there really is a Bart? God Lord! Also the "One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest" parody.

@mankytoes

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I love that it captures an aspect of Homer's childishness- that fear when you're twelve or whatever that you're going to wear something considered "uncool" and be a laughing stock. I've never been a huge fan of this episode- the ending is too mawkish for my English sensibilities, and the Bart/Lisa thing is meh. But the first act is absolute peak Simpsons. It uses my favourite non-Simpson, Mr Burns, perfectly

@Snakie747

5 жыл бұрын

​@@mankytoes Yeah, that's a good aspect of it too. I also love that we're getting unintentionally biting social commentary from such a shallow character.

I'm pretty nervous about this video, partially because of the heated nature of the subject, but partially because I struggled so much with it. The original draft of this video was 20 minutes long, which was getting very out of hand, so this is the condensed version. If I said anything you want clarification on, please let me know and I can answer. I honestly feel a bit out of my league in terms of discussing societal issues and what is the best thing to do (as you will see in my conclusion), so please forgive me if inadvertently put my foot in my mouth.

@KudosToYou

5 жыл бұрын

You're good man. :) Now let's all have some frosty chocolate milkshakes.

@bigredjanie

5 жыл бұрын

TheRealJims I hope you’ll be able to deal with all the MJ “stans” defending him, they get REALLY viscous and angry.

@insomnibomb4830

5 жыл бұрын

TheRealJims I honestly 100% agree with you sentiment it’s very reasonable and well thought out

@Dracinard

5 жыл бұрын

It's a nuanced and smart take on the issue. Credit for addressing such a difficult topic.

@Rodoadrenalina

5 жыл бұрын

You got a nice video here, sober and to the point you wanted to make.

Bart's coldness kind of reminds me of his first ever appearence, in wich he is having what appears to be an existential crisis questioning the nature of the human mind. It really contrasts with how he is normally portrayed. Nowadays they would probably give those moments to Lisa and it wouldn't feel out of place.

@jvgreendarmok

2 жыл бұрын

I get the feeling the coldness reflects Matt Groening's perception of the character.

Next Simpsons mystery: Why does Wiggum sometimes have blue hair and sometimes black?

@davidgusquiloor2665

5 жыл бұрын

On comics usually Blue was used to save on black ink, maybe the same happened to the animators?

@nocunoct

5 жыл бұрын

Why is Judge Snyder sometimes white (yellow) and sometimes black?

@razkable

5 жыл бұрын

he dyes it?..

@KRAFTWERK2K6

5 жыл бұрын

Moe's hair used to be black too before it became a dark grey, And Barney used to be blonde. The answer is simple. The characters weren't fully developed yet and the chinese coloration labor who colored the cells, had no idea and didn't get precise instructions. *edit* (removed typos)

@lachlanross1

4 жыл бұрын

Smithers was also black

Actually, the idea for MJ playing another character came from MJ himself. He was the one who requested that they not use his likeness for the show if i remember the commentary correctly.

@innertuber4049

3 жыл бұрын

And he's not listed in the end credits

@nicole9volt

2 жыл бұрын

This☝️ I’ve probably watched those commentary episodes more than any other show or movie. And yes, they state that it was MJs idea

@brittislove

2 жыл бұрын

He was legally obligated to not use his image, or sing. They brought in a MJ impersonator for the singing parts, also had MJ sing and "accidentally" used the real MJ

@RT-qd8yl

3 ай бұрын

@@innertuber4049 I noticed this as a kid and just assumed they impersonated him really well.

@innertuber4049

3 ай бұрын

@@brittisloveHehehe

This episode is part of the Simpsons history. No way it should be removed from syndication

@carybeweary7209

5 жыл бұрын

It's on fx on demand still free to watch of you get fx.

@Will_kid_cortez

5 жыл бұрын

@@carybeweary7209 I still have the DVD so I'm good.

@razkable

5 жыл бұрын

if it wasnt a season 3 episode I would say get rid of it but for its importance it has to be on air..its literally when the show went from good to great in terms of consistent commentary

@tomr6955

4 жыл бұрын

It's ridiculous for it to get pulled. What's next they pull all episodes with Apu in it?

@rachelrose7073

4 жыл бұрын

Tom R I agree.

Props to you for admitting uncertainty about what Fox should do. Far too often, people believe they need a definitive take on current events or pop culture. I wish more people were comfortable admitting that sometimes, they just don't know.

do you have a character study of Maggie? she's weirdly perfect!

@myfellowsonicfans7131

4 жыл бұрын

She’s terrible, she’s like the most one dimensional character ever, mostly because her entire personality is “wacky and random” and she’s clearly not a normal baby, she’s like nothing.

@melodiclogic9904

4 жыл бұрын

ุ ุ it’s pretty hard to get your point across when you’re a 1 year old

@elijahfordsidioticvarietys8770

3 жыл бұрын

@@myfellowsonicfans7131 good God, I've never heard of anyone who hates Maggie. Grow a soul.

@lamontyaboy718

3 жыл бұрын

@@melodiclogic9904Not for Stewie Griffin

@danuk2136

3 жыл бұрын

Shes no stewie griffin.. Maggie has as much personality as Santa's little helper..simpsons can't push the boundaries like family guy

I used to love this episode growing up... the "Lisa, it's your birthday" song still jumps into my head sometimes. This is the first I've heard about it being pulled though. Interesting video friend.

@cumheamacdiarmada6757

5 жыл бұрын

I think it was pulled after the recent documentary about MJ, lots of his stuff got pulled from the radio recently as well.

@mrwalrus9310

5 жыл бұрын

@@cumheamacdiarmada6757 Yeh your right there

@mrwalrus9310

5 жыл бұрын

Same even after what's went on

@VinVonVoom

2 жыл бұрын

It's a damn shame they couldn't get MJ himself to sing that part.

@NeroLeMorte

2 жыл бұрын

@@cumheamacdiarmada6757 cowards the lot of them

I'm fine with continuing to air the episode...and I'm fine with not airing the episode anymore. I can understand both arguments. That said, I think it should remain available on their streaming library for those who actively look for it. It's a great episode and there's nothing overtly inappropriate about the content (e.g. sharing a bed).

@razkable

5 жыл бұрын

i have it on dvd..lucky me

@phillipmargrave

3 жыл бұрын

@Mattbrain your library has a dvd set of the Simpsons? Wow you must live in a big city or something. My library just has educational, nature, and foreign films /videos

@theleonpasta7336

2 жыл бұрын

I think they should have just added a disclaimer before the episode and kept it on streaming services. I get why they got rid of it, but I think its still a good episode that fans should have access to.

@user-mt6hr4qf9n

Жыл бұрын

@@theleonpasta7336 I thought the showrunners had a good argument: It doesn't belong to the fans, it belongs to them, and they, as creators, can do with it as they like. I respect that.

Carl wears a pink shirt, but he's popular enough to be different.

@Leopoldshark

Жыл бұрын

He's a war hero though

Respectful how you cut the music in the last half.

Woa so now my season 3 dvds are actually valuable!

@svmmyb0i220

5 жыл бұрын

Was just thinking the same thing!

@MosoKaiser

4 жыл бұрын

I doubt it. Season 3 DVDs were in print for quite a long time before the decision to pull the episode was made. There's so many of them out there it's very unlikely the prices will skyrocket any time soon, and people asking overinflated prices will just get ignored. Case in point: a couple of months ago I managed to complete my Simpsons collection of all the seasons that matter for me (1-9) by coming across Season 3 in a thrift store/recycling center. Paid a whopping 1€ for the set. It's truly a DVD & Blu Ray collector's market at the moment.

If you're going to delete all content associated with anyone accused of any sexual impropriety, you might as well throw out all of the output of Hollywood from the last 50 years or so

@AdmiralBonetoPick

16 күн бұрын

Last 100 years. Research Louis B Mayer (founder of MGM) or Harry Cohn (founder of Columbia Pictures).

I like this episode because I get my own special birthday song, as my name is Lisa. I’m also glad I still have my Simpson DVD’s

@MagusMarquillin

5 жыл бұрын

Happy Birthday Lisa!

@nora4981

4 жыл бұрын

Awww you special little snowflake

@lh9591

4 жыл бұрын

Nora you get Nora by the Dubliners so you’re pretty special too!!

@cookiemocher388

2 жыл бұрын

Lisa it's your Birthday, Happy Birthday Lisa🎶

@lh9591

2 жыл бұрын

Cookie Mocher thank you!

I did not expect you to even talk about the controversy but I’m glad you did

"Hi, I'm Homer Simpson, from The Simpsons." ... BEST description ever!

@razkable

5 жыл бұрын

at that time saying that carried a lot of weight..it was the height of simpsosn mania so its meta commentary

There's something very Simpsons about the colour pink, even if nobody regularly wears it. The car, the interior design, the donuts... About the Michael Jackson controversy, I totally get your KZread crossover reasoning. I, myself, once co-wrote a theatrical play where one of the main characters were based on a real life person who literally became a murderer just a few months after we wrote the play. It was a really tough time and, in retrospect, I think I went through a minor depression for a while there. However, we decided to go on with the production since we developed the characters and events so much into our own thing, this person wasn't really in it anymore.

@clocked2002

8 ай бұрын

i was thinking the exact same thing about pink. it really gives off season 2-3 vibes to me

Michael Jackson's only crime was listening to his Lawyer's advice to settle.

@Nahasapasa

5 жыл бұрын

That and touching children

"Careful men he wets his pants"

Homer does look good in pink. Yellow and pink complement each other well and it reminds me of Homer's iconic pink donut (and for all I know, this episode is the genesis of that). Context is verything - what with Homer being a cultural icon he is indeed popular enough to be different. This is also consistent with his more outlandish behavior in recent years. I feel like I like this episode more than I should. Leon Kompowsky is a really compelling character and I think there's some biting stuff on how society categorizes "subversives" that really gels with me. I agree that the Bart/Lisa plot and the Homer plot are somewhat muddled and I think Bart's callousness was intentional to lighten the mood - this episode could've been a lot darker and it was wise to back away from that. I do like how this was framed (compared to Lisa Goes Gaga) because the clash between "Michael"'s presentation vs. society's expectations mirrors Homer from the beginning - granted, people expected someone in particular and are rightfully upset but there's something about this non-conforming earnestness that builds off of Homer's laundry mishap from earlier. The allegations cast an unfortunate shadow on otherwise lighthearted and silly moments on the episode that are impossible to ignore. I understand how it can be difficult to watch. I already liked this episode. I don't want to dislike it and a part of me is in denial. One of the greatest aspects of art is that every individual can interpret it in their own way. Art is a reflection of human nature and learning more or getting different perspectives on art can only broaden this scope. Neither art nor people are as simple as they appear or as we are willing to believe and by accepting this nuance we can only enhance our understanding of how we look at art and people.

@benmalsky9834

9 ай бұрын

Be honest, yellow, pink and blue are practically the very colors of the whole Simpsons brand.

Personally, I believe the Leaving Neverland documentary is very one-sided, and I believe that the Stark Raving Dad episode shouldn't have been pulled.

@mechajay3358

4 жыл бұрын

Excatly. kzread.info/head/PLeltLPR4SjLr67tBqTzWC9Hdnh_UURKMx

@IhateMTVandVIVA

4 жыл бұрын

"Leaving Neverland" is just another money grab.

@goldengamer170

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, especially since one of the people in the doc openly admitted that he was lying. Who's to say leaving Neverland is one big lie to exploit someone who's already dead....

@irwinrudolf

4 жыл бұрын

I don't really think it should have been pulled the simpsons featured him because he was the fit for an inspirational singer and such idk how much you could blame them

@ShasOSwoll

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I never really looked into him until after his death, but looking over the allegations (which change repeatedly) It looks to me like they were put up to it by their parents for money.

Bart: Well, don't be so surprised. I did write that "Lisa, It's your Birthday" song. Lisa: Yeah, with that mental patient who thought he was Michael Jackson. Bart: Whoa! Thinking back, I'm kind of surprised Mom and Dad let a crazy man spend all night in my bedroom. Homer: Simpler time.

@joellennon6736

4 жыл бұрын

Mac Monkeyhat that should be an actual line on the show lol

@macmonkeyhat

3 жыл бұрын

Joel Lennon It is a line in the show!! It’s from the episode ‘walking big & tall’

@markwhyte7822

3 жыл бұрын

Well IF Michael Jackson did use the episode to groom children, making a joke about it in a later episode IS NOT FUNNY. It's inappropriate, offensive and vulgar. Leaving Neverland Film has been debunked. The Simpsons producers comments are wreckless and stupid.

These videos always make my day better. I think I'm gonna gear up soon to start to try to watch every episode of The Simpsons. So if you don't hear from me again, you know what killed me.

@iododendron3416

5 жыл бұрын

Post season 9 Simpsons?

@beniverson3777

5 жыл бұрын

@@iododendron3416 all of it

@forgetfulgamer9921

5 жыл бұрын

Good luck!

@ronanhavern1980

3 жыл бұрын

Are you still alive?

@beniverson3777

3 жыл бұрын

@@ronanhavern1980 I am, but I didn't accomplish my goal, so that's not saying anything. I downloaded the first 30 seasons and I mixed the episodes together so that you'd watch an episode from season 1, then 2, then 3 and so on, with all the Halloween specials mixed in at a random. It made it easier to digest the whole series. I made it about halfway through when my harddrive was corrupted and destroyed and I lost my will to continue. Perhaps it saved my life, we'll never know

Unless someone can provide substantiated, factual evidence of MJ fiddling with kids, then i'll consider negative connotations about this episode, but since this hasn't happened and they're just claims with no factual basis, it's just another fucking Simpsons episode! and a bloody good one at that!

@NormanMStewart

4 жыл бұрын

Watch RazorFist's videos about the Michael Jackson controversy. Anyone who thought he was actually guilty of the heinous stuff he was accused of doing are either too emotionally gullible or people looking to profit from this situation.

@mechajay3358

4 жыл бұрын

Excatly kzread.info/head/PLeltLPR4SjLr67tBqTzWC9Hdnh_UURKMx

I don't think this episode is all that much of a conspiracy, especially since it's confirmed by the end that MJ's character is actually called Leon Kompowsky and only started talking like MJ because it made him and everyone else happier. It's not Michael Jackson hanging out with the Simpsons, it's a guy who just likes talking with his voice.

I saw the docu, I don't believe he did anything of the sort. He was a kid in an adult body that didn't ever have a normal life. Yes he did things we would think of as "not done as an adult" (such as sleepovers with children). But I don't think he sexually assaulted them. But all that said, he is dead. He can't defend himself any longer but his music will last for the ages.

Great job as always. It's refreshing to hear someone (especially someone with a platform and followers) say "I don't know what the best answer is." Your content is always thoughtful, respectful, and interesting. You've handled a complicated subject really gracefully here.

Woo! New extra seconds! Keep it up Jims! Love these!

To be honest, removing the episode from circulation achieves the opposite result of "banning" the episode: people will be interested in watching the episode, drawing attention when you didn't want that. Basically, a prime example of the Streisand effect . That's why people give a fuck about Song of the South instead of ignoring it.

@cookiemocher388

2 жыл бұрын

Considering how big Disney is, and that Dumbo's crow characters still get talked about with the movie still being sold and not banned. I think even if Song of the South was easily available to watch, people would talk about it, especially considering there Disney had a theme park attraction based on it.

@Neogears1312

2 жыл бұрын

@@cookiemocher388 not really, Dumbo rarely gets talked about period. It's one of Disney's lest popular animated films these days. I haven't thought about Dumbo in 10 years till just now, and i've at least played Kingdom Hearts. Imagine how relevant the parts they want you to remember are to most people, then try to imagine how relevant the crows are on top of that. Song of the South is probably only as remembered as it is now specifically because "its the racist movie disney blacklisted from their catalog" is a very strong hook. if you just said it was a racist disney movie involving animation, i'd assume Hunchback of Notre Dame was wht you're talking about. Then when you respond with "no the unintentionally racist one where its not a message against racism its just very racist" i'd probably jump to Pocahontas still. Then maybe the little mermaid remake for making the titular character do black face and asking for a medal for doing it. The point is eventually people stop carrying about controversy because its like fire, its destructive with fuel. without a source to continue drawing upon its gonna die out. Stark raving dad was only remembered by the average person explicitly because of the ban because most people don't really think much about older episodes of the show as much as moments and clips from it. When they cut the episode of spongebob where mr krabs is old people remembered the episode more, despite all the iconic jokes it had ("are you feeling it now mr krabs", the blinker joke, the old song, "i hate the pill", "i'm waiting old man", "patrick thats not a ride", the fashionably late bit, etc) it was never a particularly well remembered episode. only because they cut it for the panty raid joke, which most people who know that episode might forget that was even a bit, did the episode become popular again. If they never cut it from syndication I guarantee you It wouldn't have become as memorable especially like stark raving dad because you're not just telling people the episode was cut for this one thing, you're telling them all the jokes they remembered are now being taken away too and thats where the controversy spreads like wild fire when if they just never talked about it people hell in FIVE YEARS would probably forget they made an episode with Michael jackson because most people don't care for either nowadays. Now it's gonna be a controversy forever, and that episodes going to be one of the single most famous in the shows history.

@benmalsky9834

9 ай бұрын

For as controversial as some pieces of art can be, they are very important as educational pieces, and to show fans of certain IPs how they evolved with the times.

@benmalsky9834

9 ай бұрын

@@Neogears1312You’re referring to the episode “Mid-Life Crustacean”. As a massive SpongeBob fan, I can say that I love that episode. I never, EVER thought of it as a controversial episode, it was all just lighthearted fun with jokes that land so much harder for the adult viewers

Glad I have the old DVD box set with this episode included..

@LittleSquishie

5 жыл бұрын

I literally said the same thing aswell

@razkable

5 жыл бұрын

real fans should have the box sets for all the extras deleted scenes and commentaries anyways..their fascinating...the episodes are just a bonus to be honest since i seen them all already and their always in syndication

@royalblanket

2 жыл бұрын

@@razkable Real fans don't gatekeep

I love your videos and I think you did a good job discussing the controversy.

No matter what happened with Michael Jackson, none of that takes away his amazing influence and how incredible his body of work is, that holds up to this very day.

So the michael jackson episode gets pulled but all the cosby jokes don’t?

@fastfacts727

5 жыл бұрын

These two situations are completely different. Bill Cosby never appeared in-person on the Simpsons, never had an episode that revolved around him, and never groomed minors based on his apprearence in the show.

@adultmoshifan87

5 жыл бұрын

Here in the UK Sky One cut the Cosby stuff out of Saturdays of Thunder, yet when I last checked, Milhouse saying “switch the heads on the Cosby kids” in Milhouse Doesn’t Live Here Anymore still goes by uncut.

@fastfacts727

5 жыл бұрын

@@adultmoshifan87 I live in Ireland - shocked to hear that. At least Dr. Hibbert's Cosby shirts haven't been changed, lol.

@rileys1005

5 жыл бұрын

adultmoshifan87 on channel 4, they showed the episode where they live in a 19th century house and it still has the cosby scene

@jvgreendarmok

4 жыл бұрын

@@adultmoshifan87 "Saturdays of Thunder" must be the episode with the largest number of different versions around.

This episode may finally come back on TV because James Safechuck’s case was dismissed.

Oh my gosh, I made that exact "Lisa vs. Malibu Stacy" reference today. XD

I like your videos they are awesome but here is were I'll disagree with you. Taking a stance based on only one side of the story is bad. If anything I would refer to the episode "Homer Bad Man" as an allegory. Since you watched the documentary I would suggest watching a video debunking it. I would recommend the videos done by a KZreadr called Razor Fist.

@TheMartyandy

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. Unfortunately, MJ is no longer here to defend himself, which is why making the documentary is so easy. They could say just about anything and the person they're accusing isn't there to rebutt it, even if he had very clear counter-evidence.

So you think MJ did it off of no evidence.

The HBO documentary is a bit sketchy. Some facts just don't check out. No definitive proof of the allegations has ever been found. The 93 case has been proven to be the result a failed extortion attempt, which the documentary barely glosses over. Makes me wonder about the motives and intentions of those involved. I'd recommend everyone (including Jim) to investigate more about the MJ subject, and not take what HBO presents at face value. About the episode, I think FOX are well in their right to do as they see fit with their property, and in an age where the episode can easily be found online, I don't it's that big of a problem for fans and whomever wishes to watch the episode.

I really love this channel. The close and caring analysis you give to media is admirable and you seem like a genuinely decent person. Keep up the awesome work! I’d love to see more Pixar reviews!

Found your channel yesterday and I’ve been binge watching your Simpsons videos also can we get a Simpsons history for groundskeeper willie?

@mrwalrus9310

5 жыл бұрын

I've been here for a while and same can just binge watch his vids

@hendog24

5 жыл бұрын

Connor Campbell I’ve watched the history and mystery playlist in its entirety in the past couple days

@mrwalrus9310

5 жыл бұрын

@@hendog24 think Ive got like 2 left to watch ha

Your analysis and insights are excellent. You sound like someone with several post-secondary degrees

Please do an extra seconds on Bart Gets An Elephant! It's a great episode with some interesting and topical themes to explore

I was so worried about this, but you delivered the best and most thoughtful approach that I've seen. Thank you very much

Take it out of syndication? Fair enough. Take it off the DVD? No, you’re cheating the fan, the consumer, the archivist. The work *is* the work; present it as it is.

@kylecampbell565

5 жыл бұрын

I completely agree with this mindset

@Deathfromabove5

4 жыл бұрын

No, taking an episode out of syndication because two liars who testified in court under oath that MJ didn't touch them years ago who suddenly came out of nowhere to get money and fame from HBO with no evidence (eye witness testimony is worthless in court especially if it happened 25 years ago) is not a reason to take it out. Actually read the court files from the cases MJ was involved in and don't let two money grubbers shape your view on a serious subject

@strawberrysoulforever8336

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I mean Old School Sesame Street does it and just puts "for adults only" on it so that no one buys it for their preschooler and make them think yelling when you're mad is all right, or that all adult male strangers will be kind and respectful to little girls and show them around by the hand.

@strawberrysoulforever8336

4 жыл бұрын

@marianne mccrank Ha, yes. But it does think the old episodes of the show isn't appropriate for kids today. It started in 1969, after all. The 70s was a dangerous era with concrete playgrounds and lead baby toys.

@mechajay3358

4 жыл бұрын

Excatly the point. kzread.info/head/PLeltLPR4SjLr67tBqTzWC9Hdnh_UURKMx

I'm sorry but I have to be the one to butt in about the "I think he did it" stuff. I think there are WAY too many people who are taking the Leaving Neverland documentary at face value without taking into account the intentions of both the director and the accusers. Not only did the director have to change the film for specific territories because he played up certain statements to sound more salacious but the the accusers have been in several lies caught in versions of the story changing one too many times to be "coincidences". They didn't go to the cops after they had their "revelations" they went to the press. The same press that has an axe to grind against him from the gate. No one in mainstream media is going to say MJ was innocent because that doesn't get clicks. It's true now as it was over a decade ago when he was exonerated. There isn't even any proof that the "promise ring" wasn't just a cracker jack ring. If you need someone to go into way more detail about this charade check out Razorfist's channel and his multi-part series on everything regarding the accusations. I'm not asking you to change your mind Jim I'm just askign to look at it more informed eyes instead of taking a glorified tabloid tell-all/ I won't dislike the video purely because of your feelings or anything. I'm just disappointed. The Simpsons creators do however have every right to take down the episode though just so they don't cause a further stink by association.

@mechajay3358

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you kzread.info/head/PLeltLPR4SjLr67tBqTzWC9Hdnh_UURKMx

@demnbrown

3 жыл бұрын

Videos that in the guy decided to make the hit piece after the guy's been dead for almost a decade leaving no way for him to defend himself and I highly doubt they talk to the family or anybody close to the situation

At the end of the day, it's the product of the production team and they're free to do what they want with it.

I still love this take, "I don't know what the best answer is" really the best answer for this situation I think

Even if it's true that he was guilty, I kind of doubt he'd need to use the simpsons to 'groom kids'. He was a world famous pop star, way more famous in fact than the simpsons, whatever the truth is about their relationships, I kind of doubt he befriended children on the basis of a one of appearance in the simpsons over an above any of his other accomplishments, or the fact that he had a theme park and a zoo at his house. It's almost quite narcissistic for the simpsons to think they might have had that kind of influence. That's very different to the youtube collaboration you're describing, youtubers are generally not that famous in the real world so if you had someone on your channel the likelihood is you would be introducing them to new people. Nobody hadn't heard of michael jackson when he made this episode and in fact it wasn't entirely open that it was him for many years.

Bit rich of Groening to disavow Michael Jackson because of grooming, when he visited that guy's island a few times. Y'know, that guy who didn't kill himself.

@JCOdrjones

2 жыл бұрын

Considering with Matt that was one story said by one person with nothing else to really back anything up, in hindsight it's easy to say that may have been a bum tale. Matt's a cartoon creator, not beloved celeb, hey may have less safety clout like Jackson still has

Any chance you can talk about the cancelled Prince sequel? It’s one of the rare times a Simpsons script has gone unmade, so it’s an interesting part of Simpsons history, might be worth a discussion. Or maybe not.

TheRealJim: I’m gonna review a Simpsons episode KZread: great! TheRealJim: The episode will be Stark Raving Dad KZread: Wait! That’s illegal!

Michael Jackson is innocent!

@dontspikemydrink9382

3 жыл бұрын

nah, he was a sex offender.

I agree with adding a Whoopi Goldberg and Leonard Maltin style introduction like those racist Looney Tunes cartoons, historical context that can teach a lesson, its more helpful than shallow censorship

@crimsondynamo615

5 жыл бұрын

Adrian Dezendegui who do you get to host this one i wonder

@MrJoeyWheeler

5 жыл бұрын

The only problem is that implies there is something wrong with the MJ episode, when the reality is that the accusations against him have more holes than swiss cheese.

@Tacom4ster

5 жыл бұрын

@@MrJoeyWheeler fine, make two versions

@Tacom4ster

5 жыл бұрын

@@crimsondynamo615 Oprah?

@Saskaruto16

5 жыл бұрын

I would rather that than banning the episode, but I don't think it's necessary. He was never found guilty and Leaving Neverland has been debunked multiple times already as a "documentary". It wasn't banned when he was actually fighting charges in court, it certainly shouldn't be banned now.

I'm just upset that they're trying to disappear the line: "Marge, I can’t wear a pink shirt to work, everybody wears white shirts. I’m not popular enough to be different."

The past is often uncomfortable, but to try and pretend it never happened? Is just wrong. At least that's what I think.

I appreciate your honesty. This isn't an easy topic and you put your skin in the game in order to let your opinion be heard, that's something I respect. "There are times in life when the truth ain't black nor white, but a subtler shade of gray, yo. And when the path of justice is obscured by the fog of uncertainty, there is only one solution: House party!"

So now he’s been proven innocent, will the episode come back?

@umairashraf5167

3 жыл бұрын

Really? Can you please tell me the story,it's been awhile since I caught up with this controversy

@BlindGuardian050

3 жыл бұрын

@@umairashraf5167 it was all bullshit accusations and media manipulation, for example them claiming Michael had child porn in his home was based on a picture in an art book in his extremely massive library.

@jonleibow3604

3 жыл бұрын

The sad thing is because he's dead now he'll never be able to be found innocent personally in court, so lots of gullible people will always think he's guilty.

@mechajay3358

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonleibow3604 He was found innocent in court.

Honestly, you’re right, Homer should be seen in the pink shirt more. It REALLY does look very well on him.

Love the work keep it up, honestly the most relaxed youtube reviewer and keeping to the editing style helps these stay timeless (or as in still good even years later)

the moonwalk-joke is one of the best jokes, ever.

Somethings wrong! Did dad die? No! Huh! What do you know I'm relieved!

@razkable

5 жыл бұрын

that scene and the scene with mj looking at lisa through her window and bart commenting on it is so awkward in context ..like wow

I could see why the episode would be pulled during the controversies, but that time has long since past. They pulled the NYC one after 9/11, but it's back now. Nowadays the only one who is hurt by all this is the fans who are missing out on a very well done golden age episode.

I think they should do what Spotify did with R Kelly songs. It doesn't show up in the autoplay and it is not ever recommended, but if you search for that episode specifically you can find it.

I think that you expressed it perfectly. There are simply some details we will never know. Saying "I think, based off the available evidence" is a wise way to frame this controversial topic. As for taking the episode off, I feel that self-censorship isn't an inherently bad thing. I don't feel the creators are saying to the public "you are forbidden from watching this episode" but more of "we are uncomfortable continuing to profit off of such a problematic situation." A very well thought out video!

@shorewall

5 жыл бұрын

They don't have to profit off of it. They could donate the proceeds to anti child abuse causes, and do more to actually help than just hiding their shame.

@prixe12

5 жыл бұрын

@@shorewall Well that's not a realistic prospect as where the money made off the episode goes is not creator's decision to make. The Simpsons is owned by Fox which is now owned by Disney and you already know as big businesses they'll be damned if they'll to lose a single cent. In the world of entertainment its all about keeping up your image, and that's especially important for such a huge franchise as the simpsons. If they want to pull the episode until the heat dies down so be it. Even if they decide not to show it again luckily we live in the digital age and it can easily be pirated over the internet.

Watch as they issue cease and desist takedowns for the original DVD set auctions on eBay.

@mrchips23711

5 жыл бұрын

Nah, anyone selling previously-purchased copies comes under the first-sale doctrine. Fox/Disney can't take back the viewing rights they already sold with the DVDs.

Power rangers also has an actor who ended up in big trouble, years after he left the show. I’m talking about Ricardo Médina from Wildforce. I love that season and Cole is one of my favorite characters. I have taught myself to separate the character and the actor. That is also what I do for this Simpsons episode. It’s still a huge classic to me! Thank you for doing this review and discussing the topic carefully and in a friendly manner. Your channel is very sweet and gives me lots of good insight into the secrets of the simpsons. I’m so glad I discovered this channel. I really appreciate the careful planning you do for every video on your channel. I like how you never talk down to us. Great job keeping it real. Glad to have this episode on DVD so I can watch it when I feel in the mood to do so!

Your reviews and general vibe always calm me down when I’m anxious lol

Great, thoughtful commentary on a very difficult topic for Simpson's fans. A+!

I suppose the banning of this episode from airing and future DVD releases will make this episode a rarity. Something only a true Simpsons fan would have access to. Glad I got my copy of season 3.

@razkable

5 жыл бұрын

me too....season 3 was always the season I worked the most for since i got it last in terms of the first 9 so when I got it I was so happy since it was always out when I would go to the best buy

@GribbleGob

5 жыл бұрын

oh quit with that gatekeeping BS.

@royalblanket

2 жыл бұрын

Or you could just stream/pirate it, so no gatekeep needed

Oh my effing gosh. I just realized that was ACTUALLY Michael. Insane

This is such an amazingly well written video! Well done TheRealJims great approach to a difficult subject

Brave to talk about the controversy, props to you on that, and on conveying your opinions in an extremely professional manor. I myself, cannot bring myself to watch the documentary. I don't feel fully informed to comment, however, based on your "KZread guest star" example, I have to side with the producers, that pulling the episode was the correct call. From a PR standpoint, and to almost distance themselves from and acknowledge their mistake. I agree though, that there is a separation between being able to enjoy something (to say "it's good") and be upset that the subject matter and person at hand, is sullied. An example that springs to mind is the professional wrestler Chris Benoit, a fan-favourite and very gifted technical wrestler, who would end up committing a double murder. Like I can still say that I enjoyed Benoit's work, I will admit, "Stark Raving Dad" is still a very good episode. The song "Lisa it's your birthday" is beautiful, the plot is extremely well balanced, and I think you may have even understated the landmark moment it was for the show. It breaks my heart for it to have been removed, but yes, I do agree. I fortunately, do own an original Season 3 DVD, and will definitely give this episode another watch, when I deem the time appropriate. Credit again for the way you handled this video. As usual, your content is a highlight to my day. Thank you.

@yusukeelric

4 жыл бұрын

watch the documentary AND Razorfist defense. You got both sides argument. make your own then.

@tayleign

4 жыл бұрын

I watched the documentary. Pretty fucked up stuff, I really doubt they would pull that shit out of nowhere.

@kylekay8838

2 жыл бұрын

@@tayleign the doc is all fake

@thecollector4332

2 жыл бұрын

@@tayleign If you research you would find that they actually copied most of their claims from a 1996 book. The allegations are completely fake.

Always weird how they pulled this but not the John K couch gag episode

How about doing the "Chris Benoit" treatment? The episode can still be watched but not promoted. For example, in Disney+ or any other stream service you have to type the whole episode's name to watch it; no keywords are attached to it, like "michael jackson episode"; if you are watching the season 3, this episode is skipped by default; it never appears on recomendations, and so on. If you wanna watch it, you have to manually search it

I think you have a very nuanced and thoughtful outlook on the controversy so I really appreciate the in depth section on it. Having grown up with The Simpsons and Micheal Jackson this is easily in my top ten episodes (if only for the "careful he wets himself" line) so having it sort of covered up saddens me a great deal. I can respect the wishes of the creators but also find myself disagree with them but as it is it their art and I think they deserve a measure of control over it.

History shouldn't be cancelled

@dylanrobicheau-rl8pf

6 ай бұрын

True very true indeed

Oh man, this was my absolute favourite episode back when I was a kid

The Simpsons staff are a bunch of cowards. The episode shouldn't have been banned. Amazing video tho, no hate whatsoever! Keep it up my man

I think you made some good points. It's okay to like the episode and the performance while still being concerned about the allegations, and it's understandable why the people who made this content are uncomfortable with it now. Honestly hearing more information on why it was pulled makes it make more sense to me. I appreciate the video and how delicate it was to make an opinion here. Obviously it's hard as we will never really know for sure.

@woobgamer5210

2 жыл бұрын

I just stick to what the courts have come to label the rulings, which has been, Not Guilty all three times. There's too much sketchiness and reason of doubt with what the accusers claim happened. It all seems like attempts to get rich from their stand point. And honestly, I can't help but agree with the notion. Things just don't add up. The fact that we'll never know the real truth, shows that people should go with what the courts say, instead of shitting on a dead man for something unprovable, being ruled in MJ's favour.

You handled this episode great. I was really curious how you were gonna tackle it and you did great!

The fact that he KEEPS wearing the pink shirt is hysterical.

Fantastically well done! You handled the awkward subject matter brilliantly.

People who have watched Leaving Neverland and took it as truth should also check all the countering arguments for a balanced view rather than have one-sided view presented to them. Listen, but confirm.

I love how this episode is banned but the couch gags by John K. are seen as perfectly fine to keep up on the streaming services despite the fact that controversy has much harder evidence, gotta love those double standards!

Bold of you and admirable statements. As of mid 2019 i can only commend people to watch leaving neverland and reach conclusions only after the fact. No summarys, no refutations, no middle man. Just you and the doc.

This episode only taught me that it's what you believe in your heart. Things don't always appear as they seem in life. Best episode ever. In art you take away what you want, and I'm glad I got to take away a meaning.

I feel like, while removing this episode from general circulation is probably the correct decision from the corporate perspective, the censorship of past shames still feels... off. While it's understandable for them to pull it, they're still functionally pretending like it never happened and are hoping people forget about it. Instead of hiding their shame, it would be better for them to release the episode, at source quality, and declare that particular episode public domain. It would be good PR, it'd let people post it without having to worry about legal action, it would distance corporate from the episode, and it would ensure that the episode won't be lost rather than just hoping for the best.

@emmastrange5557

5 жыл бұрын

To be fair all episodes of the Simpsons are easily available to stream anyway. The episode will always be easy to find even if the studio don't host it anywhere themselves, so why should they bother?

@Detahramet

5 жыл бұрын

@@emmastrange5557 Unfortunately, those episodes that are publicly available for free are uploaded illegally, and can be taken down at any moment with a single cease and desist. Releasing it to public domain would resolve that issue entirely, and would resolve the legal issue.

7.51: The "No Apartheid Now" poster on Lisa's door. Wow. Never seen it before. And since this is the internet: Yes, I agree with the statement. I am surprised I probably never caught this sight or managed to forget about it. Also, it shows how super old this episode is. Edit: It says "End Apartheid Now".

@razkable

5 жыл бұрын

yeah 1991 was a time man..

You did great, not an easy video to make. I used to watch this one on my birthdays because of the last few minutes.

And here I am, only today realizing for the first time that it was really Micheal Jackson in this episode. I always thought they just had someone who really did a good job on impersonating his voice...

For me, the best moment of the episode is the group therapy session. As for the controversy - here in the UK, one channel refused to show The Cartridge Family initially. But it was still available on VHS ("Too Hot For TV") and DVD. And in later years that episode was shown with minor edits. Given that, I still think the whole tone of the episode is anti-gun, and the troubling bit is Marge KEPT the gun at the end of the episode. With Stark Raving Dad, the solution would be to show it outside primetime and not in syndication. A warning might help. It's still an intriguing, funny and emotion-filled episode. To deny it exists is wrong.

@fungusonus

Жыл бұрын

I don't see the cartridge family as anti-gun. The NRA members at the end are horrified with how homer uses his pistol, which I think gives it the bit of neutrality it needs. Showing that your average gun owner is more responsible than Homer, but questioning if it should be so easy for people like Homer to have access

@merman1974

Жыл бұрын

@@fungusonus while that is part of the plot, Matt Groening himself has stated the episode is anti-guns

@fungusonus

Жыл бұрын

@@merman1974 yeah, that is always stupid to me, authors saying the meaning of a story takes away the entire point of satire and stories like this. It turns an opportunity for discussion into a yes or no fact, just because people are afraid that they will have the wrong interpretation

finally one of the first to catch a video! love your stuff

With the conclusion of this video it looks like everything is wrapped up in a neat little package.

I think pulling the episode is fine (as you say its still on the internet and previous dvds so its not gone forever) as long as theres a message on the dvd extras or inside the box breifly saying why they felt they couldn't sell that ep anymore that would achieve the effect of letting people know what happened without earning from it. That's what I'd do if I were them. Great video as always and if you've read this far, can I ask how long it takes you to edit one of these extra seconds videos? It must be a ton of work with those freeze frames

This is one of my favorite episodes.

So as someone who has read and watched a lot about Michael Jackson and researches topics like this heavily before making a decision: I think Leaving Neverland is a lot of lies created to make money and for publicity. There are way too many things like the director specifically saying he was trying to spin a narrative, and the one major guy continuing to work with Michael up until his death, and being quite upset when he was not allowed to participate in the shows created for him after his death. It doesn't sit right at all. As for the episode, I don't think they should be discontinuing it from publication at all. There is no evidence he did it, he was never convicted, and they didn't ban it the multiple other times that he was accused. If they didn't ban it before when he was in court, they definitely shouldn't ban it now when a one sided "documentary" (hit piece) is made about it after his death when he can no longer defend himself. It's a very good episode and there is no harm in continuing to show it.

@mechajay3358

4 жыл бұрын

I completely agree. kzread.info/head/PLeltLPR4SjLr67tBqTzWC9Hdnh_UURKMx