You can approach prop firms in a style of scalling. Start with a 5k account for $49 and if u pass, the money u make from the 5k, you can then purchase the 10k account and so on until max allocation. In that way if u keep losing the 5k challenge. You wouldnt have lost too much money ($49) however u gain something more valuable than money, EXPERIENCE!

@reemobrooklyn3557

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!!!! It really is a gift you can use to your advantage. You can also fund your personal account with the prop firm profits and use your personal account as like a savings account that you can scale at any time.

@darius39351

Жыл бұрын

That is extremly unlikealy to do, odds are less than 0.1% in passing multiple evaluations

@emmanueliorliam3223

Жыл бұрын

@@darius39351 brush up your skills man, cos you ain't skilled don't mean someone else isn't

@awtradingco

Жыл бұрын

That's how I got to a 200k account from a 5k account

@neilkilman3443

Жыл бұрын

Ftmo and many other have free demo accounts. That give you experience for free.

Yes, the prop firm model is extremely successful based on accepting your money with a smile. Excellent advise. You absolutely need to be consistently profitable BEFORE you consider taking the challenge. Otherwise say goodbye to your hard earned money.

I 100% agree man. Very well said. I like to keep a close eye on the spreads and rules of the firms before I would ever buy a challenge because like you said 99% are setup for you to fail. But if there’s a company with rules I like and they do in fact pay out your profits, then I think they can be beneficial

Made it to the end. Great and timely video, thanks! The services that pass and trade on your behalf (purportedly) using prop funds are also proliferating.

Thanks Nick … as someone who is on the fence about taking a challenge this was very helpful

@jefflittle8913

Жыл бұрын

Take a challenge, but choose a tiny 10k one when it is on sale half price and you can get it for about 50 bucks.

The other thing you didn't mention is the max drawdown you are supposed to incur with the prop firms. You find that a 10,000usd account has a max drawdown of 500usd. That essentially means they gave you a 500usd account.

@TraderNick

Жыл бұрын

Very true!

@lseder1

Жыл бұрын

but 1) you have paid for it 89 - 129 usd. 2) on some prop firm drawdown is calculated on specifed hour, so you can dive deeper than 500 usd. almost for all 10k minus margin.

@tomcruz468

Жыл бұрын

You totally got the point bro. As for me, I don't trade the initial account size but the Max DD so as to minimize my risks

@hariranormal5584

Жыл бұрын

The big numbers are literal marketing. They are just tricks because nobody in the trading community thinks. The Max drawdown is technically, essentially how much it costs for that very account if you were to directly "purchase" it.

@fitless

Жыл бұрын

Which is bullshit, of course.

END, This is very true, rushing the process will miss with your psychology I've been studying for 5 years now while I'm in college doing it both. And now I am a graduating student and at the same I am almost done studying with FOREX. And I might say that the process gives me a lot of knowledge to reach the word "AN INFORMED TRADER" AND ''CONCISTENCY''. And I am planning to get a into FUNDING next month wish me luck. God bless Us All

End. I don't usually comment but I like how you let traders know what's realistic in the trading industry and what's not realistic. You are really transparent and thats why I'm subscribed to you 💯

@banginzaza

Жыл бұрын

Yeah. Basically trade the boring regulated broker. 1-2% Stay away from unregulated brokers and prop firms. And pump your Forex account with all you got. You'll lose less and win more 😂

Very end! Great Info.

Hey Nick I made it to the "end". I really enjoy these kind of videos you make about the industry a lot, thanks. As you were saying, in my opinion, paying for live test from a prop when that person can’t make steady profit (with small drawdown) is like paying for a driving exam without ever once being behind the wheel, it’s pretty crazy and desperate. I think a lot of these prop firms do prey on the desperation of many. That’s an ugly side of business but it’s legit. I wish traders, who know deep down know that they're not ready to trade yet, take a leaf from your advice and do not throw away their money. They’re best saving it until they are ready.

@jefflittle8913

Жыл бұрын

"is like paying for a driving exam without ever once being behind the wheel" No, it's like being able to lose 10k when you fail at trading and then finding you are out 500 instead of being out 10k. It is true that many people are not ready, but you are assuming these people that are not ready are using demo accounts when in reality they are more likely losing their life savings or the proceeds from selling a house that would have brought them into the upper middle class before they learn humilty.

@JayHennigan

Жыл бұрын

@@jefflittle8913 who said anything about demo accounts? I'm not assuming anything

I liked the information you gave and advices Nick thank you 🙏

End ❤. This content has been an eye opener Nick 🔥

End. Thank you so much for this!

End. Appreciate the transparency 💯

You are correct. The original prop firms operated in commercial office buildings and they did trade real money. But, you had to buy in with several thousand dollars of your own capital and you had to pay for the use of your computer, phone, market data, broker commissions, etc. This was before on-line trading, high speed internet VPS's, etc. In addition to paying to rent your workstation, you could only lose as much as you brought in. The only way to have a fast network connection for your market data and your order execution was to pay for a dedicated data circuit also known as a lease line which was a point to point fast network pipe from your office to the exchange and or to your broker. These dedicated network connections cost hundreds or thousands of dollars per month. So, each trader had to pay a share of this cost. As prop firms moved to the internet, the new business model required you to pay a monthly fee for training with simulated trading with strict rules and evaluations and most people will never pass. If you do pass, you supposedly get "funded". But, even as a funded trader, you are probably still trading in a sim account and any profits you think you're making are simply being paid out of the coffers of the simulated program.

END, thanks you for the insight as a new rader it veryeasy to get sucked up in this industry especially since many trader being on youtube are talking about managing million i prop money its easy to get hooked up. thank you for the education and i willl take your advice and assess my result after a year + and decide if prop is the way to go.

END. Thank you Sir Nick! Very practical advise. Keep it coming. GOD BLESS you!

End. Looking forward to becoming profitable in the future. I do not want to depend on prop firms, but I would like to use them as a stepping stone as soon as I can be consistently profitable.

END. Thank you so much for the insights. You confirmed alot of what I was feeling. Probably why I was so hesitant to get started with the prop firm I was considering. Definitely makes sense....I'll just use the funds I have and build from there.

END. Very informative video. Thx!

This is great information, thanks Nick.

Great eye opener. Thanks Nick.. love from Ghana 🇬🇭 West Africa 🌍

END. Good content. i like the chat runing on the background

End. Nick certainly knows how to trigger the people with things they don't want to hear but need hear.

Great information. Thank you!

End. Thanks Nick, honest and insightful as always.

99% of Prop firm B-Booking? 😢 This is serious!!!!! Thank you so much Nick for sharing this. This is an eye 👁️ opener for me

@edison_kyama

Жыл бұрын

It's because most traders lose money. So, A-Booking would mean losses for them(prop firms).

@yourgurusmentorfx9029

Жыл бұрын

Brokers do the same thing, and I promise you since he promotes super funded fx and eightcap They also B-book It’s just the name of the game

@awtradingco

Жыл бұрын

​@@yourgurusmentorfx9029 been trynna tell ppl this

@harrisonwekesa5406

Жыл бұрын

Except Prop firms use external brokers so they are not manipulating spreads. Your loss is your loss, has nothing to do with the prop firm b booking.

@edison_kyama

Жыл бұрын

@@harrisonwekesa5406 Yeah. That's true. The loss has nothing to do with them. The idea of B-booking is because of the high percentage of traders that lose money and not because they manipulate charts. This thing of most people losing money is why even fellow retail traders are opening prop firms. It is an almost guaranteed profit.

End. That was very humble and helpful!!

I agree with you 😊 very genuine 👍🏻 and educational ... Untill & unless we are profitable we have nothing to do with the prop firms 💯 % ✔️

End ,Thanks Nick i always thought to myself that Prop Firms were sketchy 😅you just shined the light my way..

@ToxxicMafia

Жыл бұрын

don't take advice from people who don't have experience in the subject.. also lo mjita is not a very good trader coz he's only able to make 1-2% per month. these things are not for him

End. Great. I would highly appreciate if we can talk more about this subject. 🙏

*END* I appreciate this _so very muc;,_ thank you, Nick.

End! Thank you for this information

Great listen Nick thanks my brother.

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End..thank you for your honesty 😊

End. Thanks for this very informative video. I got into this shaddy game of one of the prop firms. I was profitable at the expiry of the 30days limit but was penalised for over trading because I traded on the 31st day when the platform was left open. This was a trap to disqualify me because this was obviously not one of their rules. That's why I won't trade with a broker who is not an ECN broker. It is like pouring water into a basket.

Excellent as always nick. Thanks man. End

End. Thank you for the eye opener, although I rather risk my own money and trade instead of using someone else own.

End! Thanks for the insight.

I made it to the end... Very educative.... Thank you so much

last year had the mentality of making 10% or more every month but now that im starting to get into propfirms im like, if you get funded 1 or 2 million in capital making between 2-5% monthly is an important amount of money and very simple and realistic results.... Great video

End. Key point, make sure you're profitable before trying out prop firms

The most futures propfirm counts the unrealized profit to drawdown. Topstep payment rule, you dont get payment, till you didnt have 5 days with +200 usd profit. And every single new payment only with this requirement.

End. I'm still a learning trader trying to make it in the market and when I'm finally ready, I wish to go the prop firm route. It will serve as a great opportunity for me as I live in South Africa and the exchange rate against the dollar at this current period is crazy high! 1-2% honestly would mean more than enough money for me.

Funded Trading Plus talked about what Nick talks about. They're that 1% prop firm that wants you to make money so they can too. They also use low regulated type of leverage. They benefits Swing Traders big time too! Day traders and scalpers are still welcome there.

Hi! After I watched this I looked at Brokersome! and discovered that my broker b-books. Could you do a video to explain whether I should switch to a broker who exclusively a-books? Or should I stay where I am? The broker I have does both.

Nick put chart on background, and I couldn’t stop watching and studying it 🤣

End. Good stuff Nick.

Very big Truth : Prop firms for consistent profitable traders . Thanks Nick

Failing challenges are not the only way Prop firm make money. They can also copy trades of the profitable traders (which they already do) to earn money. The reason for surge in number of prop firms is because its the ULTIMALE BUSINESS. They make money from loosing traders (through challenges), and they make money from winning traders (copying trades). Competition will soon lead prop frim to give out 100% Profit split (some prop frims already offer this). So Prop Frims don't really care if you're profitable or not, cause they are gonna make money both ways.

END. Thanks for your great advice!

End. Excellent presentation and very open-minded.

Thanks, appreciate you sharing

Correct if I'm wrong but of course they make money on the challenge fees and the high failure rate with inexperienced traders but I've been told that they do copy trades if certain conditions are met but I don't know how accurate this is

Thanks for your insight

Made it to the end. I am practicing on Oanda DEMO mode to pass the Funder Pro challenge (best prop firm I've found - real funds, real market). It is certainly not easy. I've studied and practiced intensely for 4 months and am just now beginning to KNOW I am progressing. Take your time and prove your skill to yourself until you KNOW you can consistently, profitably trade. Beat your ego self and you will become a profitable trader. That's what I have discovered.

End. Great vid thankyou

End.... loved the video ❤

Thanks for the informative video, could you make a video on which firms are b-booking? I’m assuming FTMO are amongst those who are a-booking.

End. I like your honesty, mentioning certain companies are incentivized when you fail.

I keep pausing the video to do analysis thanks Nick ❤😂

@astecxd907

Жыл бұрын

Why are we same ?..😂

End. Thanks for this advice

End . Superb man , got to know so many things . I have a feeling prop firms will come under regulation very soon , there r just too many . I know many prop firms working with 8cap , do they b-book ? Personally I feel , as long as they r playing to profitable trader , they should be fine .

Can you recommend any A-Book propfirms?

END I m in City Traders Imperium, estd.2018, to me it looks good till yet, but still any view on this

made it till the end. I used to have few accounts with theproptrading till one day they just shut down with no warnings or heads up, my advice is save up your earning from props to have your own capital.

Isn‘t b-booking the same brokers will do to you? What’s the difference a prop firm trying to take your money or the prop firm?

End.😂This information is vital.I love it. It make so sense.

Great advice

I think it's ok for them to B-Book because most traders are not succesful anyway. The only issue is when they do something against your trades but the B-Booking as an action itself is not bad. They're just trying to take advantage of the fact that 90% of the traders are not profitable.

@fxstreetprofits

Жыл бұрын

Same thought... They trying to increase there likelyhood of making cash

@neverevenheardofit

Жыл бұрын

If you traded with a broker, they'd be b-booking as well

I always love it when nick trying to explanation about fundamental or anything issue in the market ,

If you are not profitable with prop firms, you are not profitable anyway. I don't care whether prop firms are profiting from losers. I care about my profitability.

@TraderNick

Жыл бұрын

If they are incentivized to work against your profitability, because it cuts into their bottom line, just be careful.

@user-nd4mf4vc6v

Жыл бұрын

@@TraderNick Prop firms don't move the markets. They can only go against you through a few pips to target your stop loss. That's bad but not significant at all. I use social trader tools connecting my TFT and FTMO accounts, and they all get filled and hit TP and SL almost simultaneously.

End...very useful information.

End this was very helpful thanks sir and happy wedding too saw the pics on twitter hope you'll have great kids😅♥️

Yeah I notice taking the challenges, that your profit loss is not what you think it would be. For instance, a .10 lot. You could be up 1000 points however, your account is only up say $67 give or take. They can have "THE BEST SPREADS" all they want. They make money in different ways. I will note that in drawdown the same applies. You're not down as much. Another word of advice. During backtesting I've noticed the end of the year or beginning yeild better price trending. So passing the difficult phase 1 on most firms may be easier during these times. Not advise, just a friendly observation. Thank you all and good luck!

End ..... Thanks for sharing

End, great video!

End. AMAZING video!!

People say you should be trading with real money to feel the pressure and live market. And the fact that you are giving out money to prop firm, and in my opinion, it does give you a feeling of trading real money even in the challenge. Instead of a proven consistent profitability, I believe giving the money to prop firm to train myself is better than risking all my capital

@zee-aaliyah

Жыл бұрын

I agree

@mosesjackson_tz

Жыл бұрын

Your a genius

I have simple take on this Before taking a prop firm challenge or even thinking about putting some money into a brokers account and start trading I want you to ask yourself "Am i profitable"? "Do i have a backtested strategy that provides consistent returns"?? If you cant answer these two questions then dont evne think about trading untill you meet those requirements,its that simple! Would you jump into a swimming pool if you cant swim,No right? Why, because lifes precious. Treat your time and money in the same way. This is the no1 reason why 90% fail,they enter into this market without the proper knowledge and these prop firms or brokers make the most money out of it.

I’ve seen videos posted from people that won challenges employing horrible risk management. I suspect this is the case with several if not most of those that beat challenges. Add that to these services that beat challenges for a contestant… for the firm to do anything but b booking until history is established would be a terrible idea.

But i found some traders , could payout more than 50.000 for few times, but they still pay it on time, even they create VIP program so traders can withdraw anytime... If they want us lose, they wont create that program... Are they move the trader who join vip program to A-book?

What do you think about FX2

End of the day a business model is a business model … Life’s not meant to be fair at the bottom of the ladder and even when your at the top life don’t get easier . We all gotta survive some way right 😙😙

End. Nice breakdown

Spot on passing a challenge does not guarantee a pay out certainly they can tell you they don’t like your trading style or the way you handle your risk and just not pay you sad but true

I know all this, I thought there was a new company called buble, just watched this on my whole lunch break 😒

thank You for always being Truthful

END - might be too much to ask but could you find the best prop firms (in your opinion) and make a video on it - or a yt short

END Love this type of VIDD ❤️❤️

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Nick I'm using prop firm profits to grow my personal account faster so I can risk one percent and less and be happy with the profits. My personal account is also my savings so it can outperform inflation

@piptutor

Жыл бұрын

May I ask which Prop Firm you are trading with?

Most prop firms have a max allocation of 600K, for good reason. There is a Prop firm put there, I won't mention the name, they actually exploit their profitable traders, by copying their performance on much higher capital, we're talking 10-20X more capital. In that sense, the traders that are profitable, make these firms more money than challenge fees ever will. Think of it, 90% profit split is nothing when the traders system is being implemented on 20 times more capital, return on investment that way is astronomical.

If you could point us to Jessica's video regarding A-book, I'd appreciate it! Thanks!

Wow!! This is the first time I'm hearing this bitter truth. Thanks boss for opening my eyes 👀

Well said, smh traders don’t understand this concept

END. Is there any way to find out if a prop firm really funds anyone or if they just pay the "funded" traders out of the money that they take in on the sim side? Is this business regulated?

@daath5114

10 ай бұрын

😂

End❤❤❤❤. I'm a funded trader by The5ers prop firm and I totally agree with your sentiments on this one 👊

@AkashDeep-wn6gj

Жыл бұрын

Is it good or bad any hiden rule.???.....

@job_mwangi_ngugi

Жыл бұрын

@@AkashDeep-wn6gj The5ers is by far the most transparent prop firm. I have two active accounts that get me paid every two weeks.

ive had a 50k account with ftmo and MFF, i understand that b-booking is a thing but as long as your consistent and onside with your bias, you cant really lose, people use tight stops and a large RR, But in my experience is that as long as your not greedy and take logical, safe setups you cant really lose imo

@wingchangwow

10 ай бұрын

Ahhhh MFF....