My first wife, rest her soul, and I were nearly drawn into this cult. They teach things that are CLEARLY against the Bible. Such as Mary WAS NOT a virgin even though God said so. They teach that there were 4 other people crucified with Jesus, not two. And the list goes on and on. And when we made it clear that we were going to look for another church, within 15 minutes they had a team at the door. At one point they told my wife she needed to shut up because I was the man of the house (they had me pegged as the weaker one). I said "Yes I am...NOW GET OUT! Nobody talks to my wife that way!"

@juliethompson2903

7 ай бұрын

They teach she was a virgin when she conceived. What do you mean they didn't teach she was a virgin?

I was with the ministry for ten years. I was released from the holds of religion, taught to research the bible for myself. I was not told how to believe. After Dr. Weiwille died it became to religious for me and I left. I was never brain washed, sleep deprived or made to go without food and water. People make stuff up. Deprograming as was done to this girl is however brain washing.

I was raised in the ministry. My father was a twig leader and assistant branch leader. I remember being like any other kid. Of course, I attended fellowship and my parents encouraged my education. Their downfall. I left the ministry. I never attended fellowship or any church service again. Yes, I tried other churches, but they all had the same pitfalls and delusion. Years later, I gained enough confidence to out myself as an atheist. There seems to be a conflict in opinions on this site. Are The Way dangerous? Simply put, no! There are much larger churches with extensive infrastructures that are motivated in recruiting for their coffers. If you have confidence in yourself, no church can suck you in. Educate yourself. Don't get educated by any church or Christian/any other religion's University or College. Get a secular education and learn to research for yourself. Watch better television. The show "Cosmos" will give you the correct cosmic perspective. FYI- I still talk with my parents and everyone I still come in contact with in The Way are extremely positive with me and their are no hard feelings.

@aliashumanist4

10 жыл бұрын

Enjoyed your post. I hope the censorship police doesn't remove it. I hope you don't mind I send your post to my friends and acquaintances on here.

@mikepalaschack2731

10 жыл бұрын

aliashumanist4 I agree. I am shocked this post is still here. I see every post that was replied to she who shall not be named is gone. It seems to me that the former Way members here and the ones I know in my neighborhood are evenhanded and reasonable. The ones who are attacking the Way are specious and bellicose.

@fredmelmackian

10 жыл бұрын

Great post Dave! I wasn't in the Way. I obviously don't have any personal experience to draw from. I have visited several Way related sites. I have found a common thread. The hate, anger and vitriol manifested by those attacking the Way.

@fredmelmackian

10 жыл бұрын

aliashumanist4 Thanks for sending the post. Sorry it took me so long to reply. I'm not online everyday.

@fredmelmackian

10 жыл бұрын

mike palaschack It does seem to be common practice for fundamentalists like anonwoohoo to resort to censorship.

I took my advanced class in Rome City the way International is the most disciplined scripture ministry I have ever seen in my life for the glory of God and the love and Glory of Jesus Christ and of the power that God gave every born again from the day of Pentecost the way international is now over 80 years and going strong God bless the way International .💪👂🤺📖❤️‍🔥👍👀🙏🙏👸♥️🛑❤️😁🎆

I was a member of the way in U.K. what they tought was ,in many ways spot on,and biblicly accurate even though sometimes went against The Established Christian teachings, They taught that as Jesus said, that the word should interpret itself and compared against itself , Precept against Precept, There is no doubt they had some things very wrong, as do all denominations, and that power had corrupted the leadership both here and USA. Its very structure, both blinded and and fed the weaknesses of leadership at every level and fear sometimes stopped aand prevented them from questioning the teachings. I am gratefull to the way having taught me to read the word for myself and to check out and challenge my thoughts and beliefs by what the word itself says, The Bible is the yardstick to use,always.

We paid for books to study.. Concordance. Best investment I made. No moneys ever collected for home studies..

@JaimeMesChiens

2 жыл бұрын

Didn’t you pay for PFAL? I bought a nice Bible and really-good concordance. That’s all. I don’t remember how much PFAL cost, but it wasn’t a lot. I ended up making a best friend at that class. We, later, went to university together and majored on nursing. We then worked at the same hospital. I am aware that some shady things happened at levels far-higher than we ever were, but I was never isolated from my family, job, or studies.

Real creepy dude having the girls kiss the old men and the guys shake their hands..

@catherinerainville4232

4 жыл бұрын

Meloney Thapa I know! Friggn’ gross!!

As someone who was in the Way Corps at the Rome City campus, I find this video sadly laughable. I no longer fellowship with the ministry; but I love a lot of people who still do. The "weapons training" consisted of a single afternoon. It was more or less exposure to experience. I served in the military; so I know what weapons training is. There was a lot of peer pressure in the ministry. It is more authoritarian than most groups; but I wouldn't classify it as being anywhere near as dangerous as Jim Jones! The ministry isn't sexually loose any more. They now teach abstinence before marriage; and adultery is openly taught as a sin. Doctrinally, TWI differs from mainstream Christianity in denying the Trinity, believing Jesus to be God's son through divine conception and a sinless human. Most of their other doctrinal stances can be found somewhere in regular Christian circles. The group is fundamentalist in its approach to the Bible. There are worse places one could go. In many ways, I'm thankful for the time I spent with the ministry (over 2 decades). There was a mixture of good, bad, and ugly. I thank God for the good; and I thank Him for the lessons learned from the bad and the ugly. Obviously, I believe I belong elsewhere. I decided to comment because I believe accuracy is important. There are mainstream churches who are every bit as manipulative as TWI. If you're an independent thinker, you probably won't fit in well; but they aren't going to turn anyone into a mindless zombie. A hyper committed follower, perhaps; but they stop short of mindless zombies.

@jennannhill

Жыл бұрын

Wow, some people are really determined to accept the lies and manipulations of a weak con man. Guess you never got any counseling or help for the intense indoctrination of Way Corps members. I am truly sorry for your family, or anyone who needs a responsible person in their lives. One must be able to tell truth from religious fiction.

@iindajohnston4951

7 ай бұрын

Tom and I were part of the way for 16 years and graduated from the family corps and today I was articulating the very things you said here!

OV2- I totally agree. "You know who" needs to be totally ignored. The Way may not be as dead as the dodo, but the Way is a shell of it's former self and is completely non-threatening. No one should waste their time bashing the Way. There are other theistic organizations that deserve attention. Example: there are nutjobs out there trying to get I.D. taught alongside legitimate science. That really deserves attention.

@pauljohndoyle

5 жыл бұрын

What about giving attention to the Devil himself otherwise known as George Soros and also the Democrat Party of America and The European Union. How about a truthful documentary about those CULTS.

My parents left in the 80’s. My mom even ran classes for Cuban refugees in Miami back then because she spoke Spanish. My dad joined later and they met through The Way. They take the general teachings to heart, but the real problem is people and their lust for power. This is why huge mega churches are mocked and ridiculed (I usually don’t listen to hardcore atheist critics, because they tend to attack the religion itself and don’t focus the core problems the particular sect is making). Objectively speaking, it should have been shut down when VPW was exposed. My family doesn’t believe in mandatory tithing, and prefer the small, intimate fellowships, even if it’s only 2-3 people that week. It opens discussion and personal prayer sessions. I honestly think The Way had potential to be a force for good when it first started out, but the inner circle was (and is) corrupted by their own arrogance. And that’s the least harsh WAY I could have put it.

@ferencssalvoski3721

3 жыл бұрын

Agree with u, I wish with all my heart that Word of God could be teaching as was in The Way

@jennannhill

Жыл бұрын

Hey, would you be willing to talk about you and your family? I'm telling my story, and want to know more about your family's story. Reply if you are interested.

@MaidOfPasta

Жыл бұрын

@@jennannhill I have been mulling over this reply for a while. Honestly, I don’t know how much I can actually contribute myself. If my parents open up to it I’ll get back to you, but at this time, I don’t think I’ll have anything to add without their personal stories being revealed to me/their permission.

I was in The Way, for 25 years. Wonderful people, wonderful teaching, and wonderful fellowshipping. But...it changed and it was time for me to move on. Brainwashing!! They welcome anybody, and you are free to leave any time you want. However if you disagree with the leadership's teaching or directives, you will be pressured to agree or be quiet or leave.

BTW I still fellowship at a home fellowship to this day. And I still study the bible.

They charged me 250 dollars to receive the Holy Spirit. I feel that the Cult owes me for paying for a free gift. That was in 1980 in Anaconda Montana.

@teknonsadi7309

3 жыл бұрын

Cap

@jennannhill

Жыл бұрын

Hey Jim, I was in Montana in 1984. I left soon after. Let me know if you want to tell your story, I'm telling mine.

I wonder what year this video came out. I have a, had a good friend that got into it around 1978, at NIU

I was raised in this ministry. Born in the 80's and my father was a twig-leader (fellowship coordinator as they are now known) during the 90's at the height of the Martindale era. I remember being bossed around like a soldier and forced to have the house perfectly clean for fellowship (3 times a week) that I was also forced to attend and take part in creepy rituals that I felt uncomfortable with. My dad used to call me faggy and and had really bad anger management problems. He would always lay guilt trips on me and my brother/sister if we misbehaved saying things like "How am I supposed to run a twig if I can't run a family" as if it was our fault that he had all the added stress of operating the fellowship. I was forced to attend their classes and anytime I got in trouble my father would give some long impersonal lecture on the bible. When Martindale had his shit hit the fan they told us not to look into it, but I did. They also told me to stop using the internet to discuss religion with other people, but I didn't follow their orders. Eventually I went to hq to go on staff (to make my parents happy) but I got spied on, lied to, alienated, isolated and finally harassed until I quit my job and left the ministry for good. Anyone who is still in or is thinking about joining or taking a class, don't. Save yourself the headache and just learn textual criticism and concordance-dependent methods of studying the Bible.

@mamajewelful

7 жыл бұрын

anonwoohoo I grew up in the way. I had to take classes, too. I remember being told to speak in tongues. When I wouldn't, I was surrounded by adults, speaking in tongues and yelling at me to do it. It was scary (I was 15) There was also abuse, and cover up of the abuse. I quit going to fellowship at age 17. Thank God!! I'm a Catholic now.

@danielsanbsas

5 жыл бұрын

martindale are very stupid person he are never believer

@BELLTONNIE

5 жыл бұрын

Bullshit!

@ferencssalvoski3721

3 жыл бұрын

Looks more like your dad is a dumbass

@jennannhill

Жыл бұрын

Hey there, I was in the Way and left in 1984. I'm telling my story and would like to talk. I hated the anti gay and anti woman thinking. Still do. Reply if you are interested.

What year did this air?

@infjintegrityvsnarcissism7295

6 жыл бұрын

Duvmasta VPW died in 85 so before that.

so what did you think about that 4 crucified with Christ thingy?

Hi, I am a faithful believer of the way in dr Congo and live now in cotonnou at akpakpa in Benin and looking for the near households fellowship

@JX933 "In the singular with both articles it is used of Christ. 'The Son of God' is that blessed one who is perfect man and perfect God, perfectly human and 'the Son of man' (also with both articles) and perfectly Divine as 'the Son of God.'" (p. 504) This is the quote from the "figures of speech" book. I wanted to quote it properly rather than giving what I assumed it to be saying. What do you think E.W. Bullinger meant by this?

I grew up in this cult for 15 years and my life was much messed up. I didn't adjust to reality until I was in my thirties. This should be illegal.

@AmberLou2009

6 жыл бұрын

Beau, I have a family member who is currently being sucked into this organization right now! We are desperate for answers and proof to show her the truth. If you don't mind talking to me I would really appreciate some help. As I'm sure you know, any information online is so minimal due to the teachings.

@Pspersonal-bp8by

5 жыл бұрын

Ditto for me.

@doubleh333lix

5 жыл бұрын

my email is paperplanes445@gmail.com, I’m pretty convinced they killed a woman in 1979.

@orchidfundu2396

4 жыл бұрын

Bee Beb you know what happened when you lie in the name of God? You and I know that your life was a mess because of yourself. I was born in the Way and it’s not a cult. May God forgive you for all the lie you are portraying.

@tiffanywolf1954

4 жыл бұрын

@@orchidfundu2396 uh I was born in it too and the rest of us KNOW it's a cult. Wierwille was a rapist and everything they do is textbook cult behavior

The fact is that Dawkins is being taken out of context here; he was speaking of a hypothetical Jesus, in the event that he actually did exist. He has never gone on record as to believing that the man existed as an historical figure or not. Like most atheists, he probably believes that there is no concrete evidence that the man existed that pre-dates his death. Almost all "evidence" is anecdotal, and dates to decades or even centuries after his supposed death.

Hello Mary I am not defending the video per say but from the Way's teaching about Jesus - how would they interpret John 6:38 where Jesus says that "he came down from heaven" ? and to do anothers will? So the location from whence Jesus came originated in heaven and he left heaven to do another's will-thus he possessed within his own person a will that he chose not to follow while in heaven?

I was raised in the way international and while they do teach some things that I don't agree with I also don't agree that I have been brainwashed. They don't teach that Weirwille(I think that's the right spelling) is always right. They believe that the interpretations are correct and don't know anything different. The thing that I enjoy the most are the people. Some of the best times I've had have been at ministry functions. Just because I don't believe in the trinity does not mean that God

Thank you for posting this important insight.

I grew up in this organization and it has some great people in it. I don’t go to any fellowship or church anymore but my family still goes to The Ways meetings and classes.

@chucky55122 I found a verse John 6:38 where Christ says"For I came down from Heaven not to do my will but the will of him who sent me". It really amazes me how the Way Anti-Christ ministry missses his pre-existence. Chucky thank you for your enlightening comments. Having lived through this as we have NOW we both can testify. Godbless the true Gospel as we await the coming our our Great God and Savior Jesus Christ. Titus 2:13.

Is that Ron Burgandy doing the reporting?

To NS0911- I am not inclined to call people who agree with this video alarmists. They just don't know how to mind their own business. I have a family in my neighborhood who run Way meetings in their home. They aren't only moral, they're cool. Very rare in the Christian community. What I find entertaining is Christians who calls themselves "spiritual or "in a relationship with jesus" or being "christ like" and they try to shy from the religious label. With just a few questions you find they are the most religious of all. The Way is not boogy men. Alas, you are correct NS0911. Christianity always has been and always will be about the money and trying to usurp power over people.

@CountShredder

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah...you're not in the way...sure...

The way international ministry has helped me to believe correctly. I know who is God, who is Jesus Christ and what is the power for abundant live. It's enough for me. No body can lie me again. I'm trying to live sanctified even though the system of things never allows me to do that, so I'm thankful to the way international ministry. Since I'm there, they never thought me the demons practice. They're teaching me every day that JC as the way of abundance of power. No matter what kind of negative comments you can write from now till the eternity, I'm more than conqueror.

@kevinevans8892

Ай бұрын

The Bible states over and repeatedly that Jesus Christ is God (John 1:1-3; John 1:14; Hebrews 1:1-10; 1 Timothy 3:16; Colossians 2:8-9). If you believe what Dr. W said about Jesus then you're deceived and headed to hell.

solidarity, former way members. i was once one of you.

@kozanne I mean to direct my attention to mostly the unbiblcal teachings of the Way Int. Not meaning to attack anyone personally. In research of Weirwille-it was good to look at his character because it gave us a fruit that we needed to look at namely dishonesty. I cannot call him Dr. because he in reality never earned one. Dishonesty for example "plagiarism". That is passing the work of someone else off as your own. I encourage you to look into this matter, for your spriitual growth. In Christ

What is the Gospel by which one is saved Shirley? can you biblically answer this question please.

i was also involved with the ministry and i can assure you that this is EXACTLY how it was.

@polyesterhat

4 жыл бұрын

Heart Brimmer same

@jennannhill

Жыл бұрын

I'm thinking of telling my story and need supporters. Reply to help.

I see comments about the Trinity here. We don't see the word Trinity in our Bibles do we? However we do see the word godhead. Can the gospel be preached using the term godhead? Sure it can. The 1st century church did it, right? The apostle Paul did it right, and if it were done right, wouldn't many a Trinitarian say, "That's the same thing we teach."? I often felt as if the way people teach using the word Trinity and all the lingo that goes along with it, that it's like a natural man preaching to a Spirit filled Christian. It just seemed odd to me.

Thank You for sharing this !

I devoted 10 years to furthering the exposure of the Word of God while in The Way. I moved to quite a few places to work as leadership, supporting my family as a salesperson. I had great years in The Way and toward the end......not so great years. The leadership went south once L. Craig Martindale was appointed President. Harsh retributions were common regarding who should research the word and should not. Craig held himself out as the King of Research and as such, his word was infallible.

@jennannhill

Жыл бұрын

Would you want to talk or tell your story? I'm telling my story. Reply if you are interested.

I have a friend who is trapped in this cult. When I tried to give him the facts about it, he cut off all contact with me. That was in June, 2006. Please pray for Lyle. I do, constantly.

@snootyfox.indahouse

Жыл бұрын

Hello. 🙏. Same for my uncle.

@jennannhill

Жыл бұрын

Hey I'm a former Way member telling my story. If you want to talk, let me know. I have a friend trapped there too. Maybe we can help them. Reply if you are interested.

The Way International is a biblical research, fellowship and teaching ministry, rightly divided God’s Word. I’m been a member since 1984 . We are not perfect and capable to make mistake as human. But by God’s love we as own free will able to renew our mind according to His rightly divided Word.

My biggest problem with The Way International was the hypocrisy and it's something that I did not see initaly.The leadership members really in my opinion live what they preached.Despite this I must say they really paid alot of attention to research and an accurate understanding of scripture,I personally have never seen a church put in that much effort to this aspect of things.Later on to The president LCraig Martindale would use expletives and say Jesus did it to.This cause me to leave.

@ArtBellJr

Жыл бұрын

Sad that a ton of people left because of him. It was their downfall for awhile. I don’t go anywhere anymore . My family is still in it and takes their classes. I will say now they have a different teacher every Sunday service and it is broadcast for free on their website. My personal belief is God doesn’t need money , there are other ways to tithe then to give money but I don’t believe giving any person or organization your money for God.

@Tejaye777

Жыл бұрын

@@ArtBellJr It was an unfortunate situation that Carig seemed to have had some issues later on in his presidency. I think once Dr Wierrwille had chosen him as president though there were a lot of people in the hierachy of the ministry that did not like it & there was divisions in the ministry that most people didn't even know about.

I would be long dead if I had not found the Way International. I love Dr. Wierwille and look forward to giving him a big hug at the return. I was always in control and I was NEVER brainwashed. These people are close minded religious idiots, what they did to their kids with the "cult" crap has hurt them a lifetime.

@swvilcko

9 жыл бұрын

Your brain washed dude. Wake up!

@markcookson1444

9 жыл бұрын

After 30 years and journals full of miracles? DOUBTFUL DUDE.

@swvilcko

9 жыл бұрын

Mark Cookson No Mark, your clearly in denial. Your brainwashed. And I'm not talking about George Harrison's album.

@maugie6

9 жыл бұрын

Mark Cookson i was in the way as well and it was the way who taught me about God and the bible. i was raised catholic who taught me nothing. Being in the way saved my life and my children. When i was 3 years into it and seeing some in the ministry trying to control people i left, just like i would any group or person i felt was trying to control me. I didn't see it different or bad, just some individuals. There were many good friends I had made. Most of my friends left as well as the higher ups because thing weren't being done right. The ministry splits down the middle. Those of us left who still got together for bible study. i will still always be grateful i was introduced to my heavenly father.

@Swazified

9 жыл бұрын

+Way Out Willie I don't have to give any of my money or anything, my church doesnt force me to do anything.. which is The Way.. they're actually pretty cool and they like teaching the scripture

Some of the greatest believers in the God's Word both men and women came from the way in the 70's - 80's. It also seems that the world was a lot better place to live in due to these power packed believers. You want change, -Then Renew your mind on the Word not the World.

So crazy to see this. I was raised in The Way till I was in my late teens.

@teriortiz7716

3 жыл бұрын

Me too.

@jennannhill

Жыл бұрын

I want to tell my story, and if you want to help I can tell your stories. Reply if you are interested.

@harry4health I have done much research on "mind control". I am also very interested in the people who charge a fee to "liberate" loved ones from cults. People are free to chose. Hundreds have left the Way because they have freewill. But there will always be young and confused and lonely people to feed the machinery of cults. The Way International is not a cult. They research the Word and teach the Word and provide fellowship. That's all there is to it.

This is all inaccurate information from people who have no honest desire to know the word of god accurately. They are people that would rather criticise than give an honest apraisal.

I have seen the same mistakes of the Way made by denominations and "non denominational ministries" . When is the last time you pullled your pastor aside and pointed out error in his teaching ? If you did (which is incredibly rare) How did he respond ? I can probably guess. Many pastors tell you that the bible is the standard and not to take their word for it but few actually mean business. Though they have a responsiblility, so do you for your own faith and walk.

Any ideas on how to cut the word salad and get to the point with information? There is about 2 minutes of info. Come on people.

the way is a unitarian organization isnt it? i get that

My opinion of TWI is along the lines of something Jesus said. He said that if the light that is in you is dark, how great is that darkness. That can apply to any church, denomination or non, and every individual.

this is actually a pretty accurate account of the way international...

"mike palaschack I am re-posting a reply I made to anonwoowoo. Anon must have thrown a temper tantrum to the you tube mods and had my post removed. This is not the first time anon's bigoted editing has reared it's ugly head. Censorship from a fundamentalist extremist like anon- who would've figured." Just had to point out how false this is. For one, I never contacted a youtube mod. Secondly, I've never been angry or thrown any 'tantrum.' And third, I've never use bigotry in any post. Fourth, I've never used editing to mislead in any way. Fifth, I do not believe in fundamental extremism (I'm agnostic.) This person, Mike Palaschack has attempted to slander my name by launching a completely false campaign of lies. If anyone wishes to see the truth, let them read our conversations and judge for their self. This is personal for me because the organization this person seems to be working for has harmed me and my family and they continue to manipulate and lie concerning me. Please consider this if you are getting involved with this organization.

@jennannhill

Жыл бұрын

Hey Pino, I'm a former Way member telling my story. If you have info or want to talk reply.

Was checking into this 'way international' and believe I've seen enough to know - they's a pole cat in the hen house. At no time, for any reason would or should there ever be a need for any man ( or woman ) claiming to live for god to spread his word to have not just women, married or single, but young little girls to 'kiss' him on the lips. One visit, try to kiss my kid... goodbye!

@Flickchaser hello sir. I can give you a brief synopsis of what my hub (then bf) and I experienced in The Way. We came across them 1st in Tempe Az then in Tucson. We thought it was great to be teaching out of the bible in a home church. Though we were both newly seeking Christ, formerly Catholics, we came to leave for different reasons. I thought it was bizarre that in order for them to reveal their beliefs you had to go through level classes. Thank God he showd us the true way. Triune GOD!

@42cody1t.The teachings of the Way are not only Biblicaly accurate but ,they are logical and practical.Nobody and that means nobody can believe what they do not understand and ..nobody can commit to what they do not believe.God never coerced any one into believing His Word.

A first century fragment of *what*? I hear this kind of anecdotal nonsense all the time, and nobody ever has any hard data to back it up. Please cite your sources if you claim to have evidence that Yeshua actually existed, because there is no hard evidence in the ancient Roman Empire that he ever existed or was executed, and the empire was meticulous in their record keeping.

When saying that Jesus is God we do not mean that he is his own Father or that he is the person known as the Father. What we mean is that Jesus was distinct from the Father but was collectively God but with distinction of persons. The Word was a person God and he was "with" the God equals the Father. Let em clarify-In the beginning was the woman and the woman was "with'' man and the woman was man. Distinction but yet both are the same essence "Man". Thus Jesus is distinct but of the same essence

I understand that you have a different view than I do and that's fine. What book, chapter, and verse is it that says that Jesus says he would raise himself from the dead? I was taught that God gave revelation to Jesus and God was the one actually performing the miracles, that's not to say that Jesus did nothing, but that it was God performing the phenomenons. You may have a different view than I do but that is what my parents taught me and you don't have to agree with it

I was in the Way International and I left because some of what they said is really true.But links to militant groups and Anti semitism is really an exaggeration.Yes they are hypocritical and now I think now in retrospect they were not really the best church for me.I think though they are using vast exaggerations to make their point more forceful.

Why not put your effort into exposing Scientology as well while you're at it.

@42cody1 First of all you cannot explain the trinity to anyone because you don't understand it,secondly it does not make any sense,there is nothing mysterious about God,but there is something very fishy with the unsound doctrine of the trinity

Remember- there are thousands of gods out there! My personal favorite is the one with the cow!

I was raised in it too, it taught me to question and research accurately for myself, I have gone and come back to the way over the years , but funny every time I go to mainstream trinitarian churches and see pastors so openly teaching inaccuracies I keep running back to the way, Dr Wierwille taught even to question what he says, in all his teachings he always give you time to go to the verses yourself and see for yourself - my favourite was the first I heard - “religion says Jesus died Friday and rose Sunday morning, the word of God says he was dead for 3 days and 3 nights , now if you can count 3 days and 3 nights from Friday and still get to Sunday morning I’ll buy you the best stake in town “😂😂 And let’s not forget the first Christians , the apostles themselves were labeled as a cult by the Romans 😂😂 this is pathetic haha

RIP Denise Laack, likely murdered by The Way.

@jennannhill

Жыл бұрын

Omg I'm so sorry. I'm a former member, telling my story. If you want to talk about Chloe please respond. Please I'm trying to find out all that they have done to others, they hurt me too.

Speaking for myself, TWI offered more freedom&accuracy w/love and power than any denominational church I ever attended. As a former Marine with an understanding of motivational techniques I approached TWI w/caution&reserve. The WORD,the Holy Spirit, all focused on the Father thru Jesus Christ.Never did I witness any "control".Iwould have walked to the nearest bar in a heart beat.This clip?(My)conclusion: the usual creamy shit about TWI. What happened after 1986 I know not. Let GOD be the judge.

Anonwoohoo does not understand what contemporaneous means. Contemporaneous means living during the same time. Both Tacitus and Josephus are a generation removed from Jesus. No contemporaneous historian mentions Jesus. Tacitus makes a footnote remark about "Christos" but doesn't mention Jesus. Josephus's footnote mention of Jesus is generally considered a partial or complete forgery. The claim that the bible is best attested historical document is laughable. Just a cursory reading of the gospels exposes tons of errors. I.E. Wrong census, wrong leadership, no rule of going back to one's family ancestral home to be counted. Remember, not one contemporary of Jesus even mentions him. None zip zilch zero. To be thorough, Pliny the Younger was not a contemporary of Jesus when he made a footnote remark regarding a messiah. Pliny the Elder was a contemporary. Pliny the Elder must have been in a coma when all those miraculous things were supposedly taking place. LOL!

@007bfitz

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A few things should be noted as you stated “Tacitus makes a footnote remark about "Christos" but doesn't mention Jesus” (Piss). Scripture even at times refers simply to Christ but the full intent is Jesus. Likewise, it is logical for Tacitus to refer to the name in which his readers would be most familiar. Tacitus referring to Christos singles in directly on the founder of the Christians as being the one put to death by Pontius Pilate. (no doubt, Tacitus, reference to the "Christos' as being the one who was put to death by Pontius Pilate unlike you believed that this person was a real historical person). Contemporaneous NO! But, many figures in history are believed to be historical persons due to secondary evidence and this evidence for Jesus does exists. What does exist in this is that Tacitus never doubted the historicity of this person who was put to death by Pontius Pilate..this is evidence. Your position during this time frame surely would have been scoffed at by Tacitus and logically so. In fact, to be perfectly honest most writings do not last more than 1,000 years thus, your appeal to contemporaneous writings from historians are in fact hard to find not because they didn't exist but due to the inability to preserve their writings and we are fortunate to have almost half of Tactius writings..although we are missing Tacitus writings that would cover Jesus' time frame directly due to the effects of time and are lucky to have this particular passage; however, it is clear enough to logically consider its a direct reference of Jesus by the subject context of Christos as being the founder that had been put to death by Pontius Pilate as the context is about Christian persecution. It must be noted that since writings "rarely survive past 1,000 years" the only surviving writings perhaps are those that come from scripture and some secular sources as it relates to Jesus of which you call into question as being considered a historical document-namely scripture. The efforts of archeology have proven that scripture is not laughable as a historical document as archeology has converted many scientist towards a belief in Christianity (Caner & Hindson, 2008, Popular Encyclopedia of Apologetics). We must consider that Pontius Pilate historicity also could be called into question by way of a lack of "written secular evidence" with the exception of writings such as above and scripture itself for nearly 2000 years. The efforts of archeology have now proven Pontius Pilate's existence which in turn adds credibility that the Bible is a historical document (ibid, 2008). This although is just one example of many... so to say that its laughable that scripture is historically accurate comes from a heart and mind that engages in rebellion against God (hence your chosen name) and embraces pseudo-scholarship or limited scholarship when it suits your fancy. I would say in this case scripture and science are laughing directly at you. I believe that the rest of your efforts in your above information can be summed up in the same manner. It is a double standard for those like you to call into the question the historicity of Jesus while accepting the historicity of Plato, Socrates, Caesar, or any other historical figure. If one denies the historicity of Jesus then one would also have to deny the existence of any historical figure that is accepted as being a real person. This of course flies in the face of logic. The better question to be asked then is in comparison to all credible historians what is the percentage that believe Jesus actually existed to those who do not? It is your position that falters in comparison why? because, it took 18 centuries to question the historicity of Jesus. That is something to consider as no serious scholar ever questioned it. I would seriously doubt you would call into question the existence of Plato, Socrates, Caesar, Hannibal (the great general) or any other established character in history because you know it would be illogical to do so but yet you dabble with this "illogical assumption" toward Jesus why? No doubt, because Jesus unlike Socrates or Plato bring into accountability your belief system to a dreadful and holy God. 1. "There are no contemporary accounts or mentions of Jesus. There should be, so clearly no Jesus existed." This seems a good argument to many, since modern people tend to leave behind them a lot of evidence they existed (birth certificates, financial documents, school records) and prominent modern people have their lives documented by the media almost daily. So it sounds suspicious to people that there are no contemporary records at all detailing or even mentioning Jesus. But our sources for anyone in the ancient world are scarce and rarely are they contemporaneous - they are usually written decades or even centuries after the fact. Worse still, the more obscure and humble in origin the person is, the less likely that there will be any documentation about them or even a fleeting reference to them at all. For example, few people in the ancient world were as prominent, influential, significant and famous as the Carthaginian general Hannibal. He came close to crushing the Roman Republic, was one of the greatest generals of all time and was famed throughout the ancient world for centuries after his death down to today. Yet how many contemporary mentions of Hannibal do we have? Zip, Zero, Zilch. We have none. So if someone as famous and significant as Hannibal has no surviving contemporary references to him in our sources, does it really make sense to base an argument about the existence or non-existence of a Galilean peasant preacher on the lack of contemporary references to him? Clearly it does not. (I did not write the above question and answer ; however, it is a valid point). If you deny Jesus as a real person then you have to be obtuse enough to deny Hannibal and if you are that obtuse-then you lose all credibility in this forum. If you deny Jesus then you must deny Hannibal as a historical person - as he has no contemporaneous writings. I would like to see if you are ignorant enough to do so- I seriously doubt that you will- as you know all credible historians would accept Hannibal as a genuine person. This is the height of your rebellion that you engage in such idiocy for which one day you will give an account for. The hypocrisy of your double standard is apparent.

Its sad to see people trolling others like me who grew up in the ministry. Looking at their comments and comparing it to what Christ stood for is 180 degree's backwards. Christ stood for speaking the truth in love and not hate. Also upon further research almost everything the ministry shared in their teachings lines up perfectly with all that i have read. Please do reseal i was raised by parents who were in the way during the early 80's and i was born in 96. My parents have never abused me EVER

they made some serious accusations about me and my family when we devoted 10 years of our life to the way. I couldn't believe the way would even accuse without searching the truth they so fervently preach

@jennannhill

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Hey, I'm interested in telling my story. Please let me know if you are interested in talking about The Way.

@runningcow13 Hard to say exactly, but from the hair styles and automobiles, I would put it at the early 1980s.

I took the PFAL Class in 1980,but had serious disagreement with their teaching.my twig leader would cuss you out in a heart beat...but I did have fun.I wish I knew where those people are today.

The Way became more dangerous as years went on..the innocence and integrity of DR. Weirwille is beyond question, but he allowed others to lead in his later years....Free conversation was discouraged and anyone who dared question the chief premise..'every word in the bible is god breathed'---- is especially unwelcome....no research of any meaningful kind into the book they put so much emphasis on...anyone who follows their teachings still has simply not done their homework on how the bible was put together.....another thing....at an advanced meeting...i was told that if i wanted to be a lawyer, i should not have been born a woman...at the heart of the way international grew the cancer of misogyny....

@42cody1 really? what about the other two - the son and the holy gremlin? you only worship those on your religious holydays?

Again, all the attacks against them is because of theological differences. When someone DARES to disagree with the major denominations, they are labeled as a cult and persecuted. Sounds familiar doesn't it ? Anyone ever read the new testament ?

The Way is dangerous to your wallet, and if you're a woman it is sexually dangerous. I got sucked in in 1984 and left in 1988. I am an atheist thanks to the way.

@jennannhill

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Will I left in 84 because of this exact thing. I'm also telling my story. I would be interested to hear from you. Reply if you are interested.

@gslblues Respectfully speaking, where did we get the idea that Jesus was God? Common sense shows that Jesus is NOT the Father for sure but the Son of God as you have said. But what does that mean according to scripture and the ancient semetic languages? Does scripture support a created or uncreated position for "The Son of God"? If created then he can't be God but if uncreated then the Church is correct to apply to the Son of God a title such as God the Son.

This is such a bunch of nonsense. I was involved with The Way International for years. I can tell you from first hand experience that there was no "brain washing" there was no violence, there was none of the things that they are accused of. It was not much different than a lot of mainstream churches except that they did not believe in having church buildings and they had some doctrinal differences. I now disagree with some of their teachings but I am glad that I had that experience.

@42cody1 Jesus Christ is not God. 1 John 4: 1-3. (in the flesh, "in"- "en" : to be totally within the realm of something.) If Jesus the man was also God, then he could not fulfill the criteria for the sacrifice for the redemption and salvation of man. He had to be 100% man. He is the Son of God - not God the Son.

@harry4health You are right. My behavior towards Cody is not in harmony and alignment with the verses listed above. I responded with pride and arrogance rather than agapeo. Thank you for bringing this to my attention.

Wow. They're teaching things in this we never heard when we were involved with TWI. Anything that misrepresented the gospel in TWI is small comparted to misrepresentations about them, usually, and this is one reason why the Lord told us not to judge. To actually know the errors you would likely have had to been there and then got to somewhere else.

met someone who was prominent in Way and knew VPW ...after he passed she was ostracized and made to leave . However does seem creepy with the church elders kissing women on lips during ceremony in video

@manuelruperto4795

7 жыл бұрын

I have been in this ministry for over 18 year and i had not see any evil act. I know by the scripture that the adversary use people to be away from the TRUTH of GOD'S Word. some people like the pharisees and Sadducee don't like chances , and they use lies to keep people to know GOD'S TRUTH . The Way International teach people to do research in the scripture to know the TRUTH that been hiding for thousand of years by wrong religions teaching and man religion theology to keep people to know more about GOD. The Truth is o"ready in GOD'S WORD. When you find a verses that contract itself with another. you now there is something wrong with those verses, The way International dd not show you that,you dd yourself , its that simple

@dark0nex

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@@manuelruperto4795 So Rev. L. Craig Martindale did nothing wrong? Also even if you do not see something, it doesn't mean it didn't/doesn't happen.

@harry4health There is no "mind control" or "brainwashing" in that ministry. If a legal adult makes a decision to give his allegiance, time, etc to them , that is his business. He was not conned into doing it. They are very open about the kind of commitment that they expect from people who want to to be an integral part of that ministry. If you don't want it; just leave. And many people did just that - they left. They were free. They had (and still have) there brains and minds.

I suggest you read Richard Carrier. There may have been an apocalyptic itinerant rabbi named yeshua, but we can't use history as a guide. Richard Carrier meticulously exposes the historical methods used to "prove" heysoose are below standard. Again, there MAY have been an apocalyptic itinerant rabbi named yeshua, but we can't use history as a guide. Additionally, Paul never writes about a literal heysoose. He speaks in revelation and dreamlike states.

I did watch the debate between Dawkins and Lennox, and there was nothing in there about Dawkins believing in the existence of Jesus as an actual living man. I also didn't hear anything that could be described as objective evidence from Lennox. He spouted opinion, but there were no incontrovertible facts.

@DerekSelvon Weirwille as you know heavily emphasized E.W. Bullingers scholarly work titled "Figures of Speech" what Weirwille failed to emphasize is that E.W. Bullinger was quick to point out the the term "Son of God" with the Article as it related to Christ meant DEITY. That Jesus was God. Thus Weirwille's own star witness dealing with Figures of speech actually disagreed with Weirwille. The Son of God means Deity and that he shared in the very Nature of God thus is God. Phil 2:5-12

I've had dealings with GenY1000 guy before. He's not interested in logical discussion nor does he allow reason to be his guide. Look at the way he always demands the last word and he is quick to go to the personal insult route. He prefers to keep his fingers in his ears and go "lalala" than listen to reason. I used to be Christian. Indoctrination starts early. Perhaps one day he will see through the Christian deception as I and many others have. Until then, unfortunately, he's lost.

I was in The Way, I have moved on. I believe that Jesus is God and that it is what the bible teaches. However , though I disagree with some of their doctrines, I am still thankful for my experience there. God brought me there and I learned a lot that still benefits me and others. You just have to know how to 1) worship God, not a man 2) Do what Dr.W said and work the Word yourself. 3) accept responsibility for your own spiritual walk.

100% bull. I actually was part of The Way International Ministry for years. When I felt it was time to leave , I did, there was no brain washing. I graduated from everything the Way had to offer too. They love to bring up the gun thing. But here is where videos like this fill people full of lies. There was a leadership training course for future ministers called the way Corps. The headquarters for this training was a place called Camp Gunnison in Colorado. V. P. Wierwille, Likes to hunt and he liked to take members with him. But you were not allowed to go on a hunting trip unless you took a gun safety course. And the outside world turned it into some kind of militant thing by their own imagination. There are a thousand points like this. In fact just about about every exclamation in videos like this are based on Conjecture and lack of true information. The biggest thing that the world faulted The Way International with was this notion that Jesus was not God. Just because the Catholics believe this in their twisted concept of the trinity. And every other twisted thing that religion has done. But if you are a christian, and if you have been baptized and confessed Romans 10:9 and 10. And if you have paid attention when you study the bile. And if you actually believe what the word of god says, then you;d know that there is only one God. The God and father of the Lord Jesus Christ and that the entire bible tells you that he was the Son of God, conceived by the Holy Ghost, the savior and the messiah, but at know time does the word of god say that he is Gad almighty. What the bible will tell you is that the only way to to God, is through his son Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit you receive when you confess and believe in him as your lord and savior. So if you are really a Christian, if you are really reborn of God's Spirit, the same connection that Adam lost when he was beguiled by Lucifer, then I encourage you to follow God, The lord Jesus Christ, and the word of god as God's own will. NOT MEN and what they say. Not even what I say. Check it out for yourself.

I grew up in The Way Ministry and I am 36 years old...NOBODY ever told me what to think or say...we were taught that Gods Word was the truth and the only truth...it is the rightly divided Word! Yes. DOCTOR Victor Paul Wierwille is asleep no...awaiting the return of our Lord Jesus Christ! God bless those of you who do not know The Way and I will pray for you!

@jennannhill

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I will pray for you, God Bless You are the Fuck You of fundamentalist evangelicals. 😘

@joshuamorrison3103

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He was a womanizing abuser, an alcoholic, and most likely a rapist just like his predecessor. I'm 33 years old and I grew up in that campus and I know a lot of people who were victims not just from the Martindale years but even before then. Yes you've been brainwashed.

@jennannhill

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@@joshuamorrison3103 hey Joshua, I totally agree and want to tell my story. I would like to talk w other former members to help being accurate about all of their crimes. Reply if you want to talk.

I thank God for the Way Ministry everyday. Although I'm not and active member of the way Int. today, I'm blessed and forever will be blessed because of the way ministry. what i've learned from them is priceless. No one can take your Will, unless you give them your Will... Everyone lives their choices, and well you're living their choice.... end of story.

@gslblues If Christ is Not God as you say then he too must be of the created order-hence not all-knowing, omnipresent, omniscient, or Good for that matter. Thats just a few of the attributes that Only God can fill-thats common sense right? Now if Christ is Not God then he can not be any of those thngs can he? Now does scripture apply the same attributes to Jesus that only God can fill?

Jesus said that before Abraham, I AM. Thomas said my Lord and my God and Jesus didn't refute him. John the Baptist said that Jesus has the Spirit without measure. Jesus said that you have to honor Him even as you honor the Father or you don't honor the Father that sent the son. So believing that Jesus is not God, the way doesn't know God at all. Finally, Emanuel , God with us. In Isiah, Jesus is called, wonderful councilor, the almighty God, the everlasting Father, the prince of peace. Emanuel is the everlasting Father.

Why do these creeps follow you in a white van every time you drive down the road next to The Way New Knoxville?

@sethschneider1504

5 жыл бұрын

it’s just the ways “security” fuck the way

@DerekSelvon In my experience with the Way, I wouldn't say mind control but some might see it as mind control depending on the person, some people are weaker than others, I when placing my questions to Leadership about things such as Trinity, the Deity of Christ, never once did I receive any loving instruction but rather extreme sarcasm and then they would eye you real hard and never treat you as well as they used too. That is how I was controlled and brought into complaince to their Leadership.

Wow, could have written that exact thing myself.

I meant in saying hypocrisy that the people in leaderships positions generally did not live according to what they preached they said one thing and did another.

@gslblues It seems to be by your statement that you may be misunderstanding the churches position about God. The Church believes that there is a person called the Father and there is a persn called the Son so when we say Jesus is God we have never meant that he was the person of the Father. So he is not the Son of himself but of the Father and both collectively make GOD just as MAN collectively is man and woman. TheChurch does NOT believe that the Father and Son are the same PERSON. One in Unity

@JX933 Hello, JX933, i noticed your post- I am assuming your speaking of the above comment-which I believe came from Chucky55122 and not myself about the dead having no conciousness and such. I prefer to keep y opinion to myself on that particular subject as it has no effect on my standing with God. If we are spiritually alive or asleep after death then I will know when I get there. Although your comment about losing your identity with Jesus by saying he is God please explain yourself more pls.

I guess it's from 1982.

it's a lot of bullshit! The Way is not a cult. Totally no sense.

@geoverra66 Sorry they are NOT accurate in my experience! They teach you can be without sin if you achieve a certain level!! "If any man says he has no sin he is a liar," says the Word! As a former member, I am grateful he showed me the truth. Jesus is deity. God is triune. It took 2 yrs for that to be revealed, but He is faithful. Read the Word really wanting to know the truth and He will be faithful to all who question the trinity.

I took the 3 classes due to my friendship with Robert Wilkinson, the magician one.

Wierwille WAS NOT dismissed. He died.