Exploring the MiSTer & DE-10 Nano FPGA - Is this the future of Retro?

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Is FPGA the future of emulation? Today I review the DE-10 Nano and MiSTer bundle, which combined promises an accurate and accessible way to emulate your favourite retro computers and consoles, from the Sega Mega Drive to the Nintendo SNES, PC Engine to Atari 2600, Amiga to ZX Spectrum this thing promises the lot, but can it deliver? Lets test it out.
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  • @DrLilo
    @DrLilo4 жыл бұрын

    As a MiSTer user, I just want to say, this is by far the single best video on the project I've seen anywhere on KZread. Extremely well informed and with the production values to match.

  • @soloM81

    @soloM81

    4 жыл бұрын

    I have to agree with you its how it should be done not like the others who didn't take the time to do the research

  • @RMCRetro

    @RMCRetro

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hey thank you! There's so much you *could* talk about with this or so many cores you could demonstrate it's hard to know when to stop! But I really enjoyed getting to know it better and it's permanently setup now in The Cave for whenever I need my fix

  • @SteveJones172pilot

    @SteveJones172pilot

    4 жыл бұрын

    I agree.. a great overview.. I have the same setup he has, and haven't had a chance to really get deeply into it.. this has given me some inspiration to do so!!

  • @arcadesunday4592

    @arcadesunday4592

    4 жыл бұрын

    Check out "Smoke monster" on KZread. This is probably the best MiSTer KZread resource.

  • @DrNoBrazil

    @DrNoBrazil

    4 жыл бұрын

    Watch any recent video from SmokeMonster. You are welcome.

  • @danielberrett2179
    @danielberrett21794 жыл бұрын

    "Intel is wrong, this is for gaming" favorite line.

  • @glenndoiron9317

    @glenndoiron9317

    4 жыл бұрын

    The irony meter exploded. Altera (manufacturer of the FPGA on the DE10) is a division of intel.

  • @MrDuncl

    @MrDuncl

    4 жыл бұрын

    FPGAs are for anything where development costs need to be low and unit cost can be high. Jeri Elsworth, the designer of the C64 DTV, realised that in about 2002 but had to transfer the design to an ASIC in order to be able to sell it at toy store prices. It wouldn't be surprising if the component cost of Neil's setup is higher than an Xbox 1 or PS4. Much more versatile though.

  • @mUbase

    @mUbase

    4 жыл бұрын

    NO! I bought my board and learned VHDL because I wanted to build a controller for my fridge. Not games!! (Brilliant video, thanks Neil. :) ) . I have a Papilio one board.Xilinx I know but FPGA is fascinating to say the least....

  • @soylentgreenb

    @soylentgreenb

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@glenndoiron9317 Of course. The joke wouldn't work if Altera wasn't a division of Intel.

  • @thebutcherjb

    @thebutcherjb

    3 жыл бұрын

    My favorite is "Tell me I'm a wizard Hagrid!"

  • @rekvin
    @rekvin4 жыл бұрын

    Nice to see my old amiga demo "SOTA" runing so smothly. Copper plasma it is hard to emulate. We used a lot of self modifing code too.

  • @Retrojuju

    @Retrojuju

    4 жыл бұрын

    Major A-hole himself?

  • @doctorcrankyflaps1724

    @doctorcrankyflaps1724

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@Retrojuju ??

  • @mnemo70

    @mnemo70

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@doctorcrankyflaps1724 Look at the credits of "State of the Art".

  • @Steeps1969

    @Steeps1969

    3 жыл бұрын

    One of my favourite demo's, that one!

  • @3k3k3

    @3k3k3

    3 жыл бұрын

    I still got the original disks with this demo..

  • @UltraHealthyVideoGameNerd
    @UltraHealthyVideoGameNerd4 жыл бұрын

    I can't imagine how many hours it would take testing all these cores and games out to make an informed video on a product like this. Thanks for doing the work for all of us

  • @RMCRetro

    @RMCRetro

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hey you're welcome! Thanks for taking the time to watch

  • @RMCRetro
    @RMCRetro4 жыл бұрын

    That's my take on the MiSTer and FPGA....what are your thoughts? Have you tried it, are you sitting on the fence or are you going to rush out and buy one? Here are some useful links! MiSTer XL Razer bundle facebook.com/retroshoppontopt/ The DE10-Nano www.digikey.co.uk/en/product-highlight/t/terasic-tech/de10-nano MiSTer MIDI with SoftMPU - kzread.info/dash/bejne/hqCGrbhvk7jclpc.html The MiSTer wiki: github.com/MiSTer-devel/Main_MiSTer/wiki Neil - RMC

  • @bazza5699

    @bazza5699

    4 жыл бұрын

    misteraddons.com/ defo worth checking out porkchop express's page, he has some incredible cases. twitter.com/MisterAddons ebay usually has sellers advertising the I/O boards, memory and USB boards.. worth doing a search on there if you're interested also

  • @shadowtheimpure
    @shadowtheimpure4 жыл бұрын

    "Because I lost several hours of my life to Civilization" Don't feel bad mate, happens to all of us.

  • @sega_kid4288

    @sega_kid4288

    4 жыл бұрын

    Civ5 on a MS Surface 1 in touch mode. Procrastination bliss during my time at university!!! Let's see, write 2000 words on Heidenger or play CIv, lol.

  • @MostlyPennyCat

    @MostlyPennyCat

    4 жыл бұрын

    Can I just put a quick recommendation for freeciv in here? It was originally a civ2 clone and is now very polished. It's like if they kept the isometric graphics, polished it forever and added geeky things like custom rule engines.

  • @MostlyPennyCat

    @MostlyPennyCat

    4 жыл бұрын

    Also, if you like Settlers 2, Widelands is the freeciv equivalent of Settlers 2. Including a campaign mode! Build those farms, breed those donkeys, oh yeah!

  • @BlueBird-wb6kb

    @BlueBird-wb6kb

    4 жыл бұрын

    Paradox games are better

  • @LemonRush7777

    @LemonRush7777

    4 жыл бұрын

    I wasted my childhood away on Civ3, MoO 2, Homm3 and X-com Ufo Defense. I have no regrets.

  • @samuelschwager
    @samuelschwager4 жыл бұрын

    Do I NEED this? No. Do I WANT it? Definitely!

  • @khhnator

    @khhnator

    4 жыл бұрын

    no you need this

  • @PooperScooperTrooper

    @PooperScooperTrooper

    3 жыл бұрын

    @@khhnator I need this...but I don't _actually need_ it.

  • @wraithcadmus
    @wraithcadmus4 жыл бұрын

    "Tell me I'm a wizard, Hagrid" - I lost it

  • @willyarma_uk
    @willyarma_uk4 жыл бұрын

    I've just ordered one :) I'd heard of it before but had no idea how large the scene was and what it was all about until I saw this, so many thanks for an awesome video!

  • @bombjack1984
    @bombjack19844 жыл бұрын

    +1 for Bomb Jack footage! Fascinating stuff, this FPGA thing is such an interesting way of processing things differently.

  • @SmokeMonster
    @SmokeMonster4 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Always happy to see MiSTer in a master's hands :D

  • @aminekostone1411

    @aminekostone1411

    4 жыл бұрын

    The community owes a lot to you sir, for stirring up the interest!

  • @RMCRetro

    @RMCRetro

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you! And I urge anyone who enjoyed this video to check smokemonsters channel for some excellent coverage and work!

  • @ruggie.74
    @ruggie.744 жыл бұрын

    Your knowledge aside (which is obviously extensive), I love your professional presentation and production. I'm almost 30 and I find watching 99% of KZread content unbearable when creators act like hyperactive children for no reason. Thank you for taking your job seriously.

  • @RMCRetro

    @RMCRetro

    4 жыл бұрын

    Thank you Brandon!

  • @ruadeil_zabelin
    @ruadeil_zabelin4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the video! I've ordered both. The people from retroshop were very nice in helping me find what i needed exactly

  • @adamsfusion
    @adamsfusion4 жыл бұрын

    I have one of these, and seeing RMC build one himself and lay out the charms of it makes me feel good feels.

  • @SuperDerek
    @SuperDerek4 жыл бұрын

    Awesome IT Crowd reference there, quite subtle but much appreciated. And otherwise a great video altogether. The MiSTer has been on my radar for a while. :)

  • @wich1

    @wich1

    4 жыл бұрын

    Indeed, loved that reference. Just watched that episode again the other day

  • @HadleyCanine

    @HadleyCanine

    4 жыл бұрын

    For a moment it wasn't flashing, and I wasn't sure if I should tell someone, but instead I just looked away.

  • @berighteous
    @berighteous4 жыл бұрын

    Great video, thanks! I've been a MiSTer user for over a year now. You almost are able to describe just how awesome the MiSTer is.

  • @VaterOrlaag
    @VaterOrlaag4 жыл бұрын

    Even after you mentioned soviet homemade computers, I was still surprised to see Sharp MZ on the list. :-) I'm glad that this beautiful yet obscure machine is getting some love.

  • @zxrenew5642
    @zxrenew56424 жыл бұрын

    I've been looking forward to this video Neil and it didn't disappoint. Well done Sir!

  • @DanielLopez-up6os
    @DanielLopez-up6os3 жыл бұрын

    Can't wait for FPGA to become so mainstream we can get them cheaper due to bulk demand.

  • @Beaps73
    @Beaps734 жыл бұрын

    What a great great video. I've had my MiSTer setup over a year now and trying to convince people its BETTER than a Pi has been a tough one. I was hoping to catch up with you as the last meet to talk to you about MiSTer but it seems you got it covered. Great vid man.

  • @NaeMuckle

    @NaeMuckle

    4 жыл бұрын

    I had no idea you could get this for the price. I own 5 pis and was costing the price of the pi 4. When you include the case and cables id need its still cheaper than this but not by much. This seems way more interesting to play with though.

  • @cleverkitsune4302

    @cleverkitsune4302

    4 жыл бұрын

    Who cares the pi is still easier to setup and has a much larger following that can show you how to do damn near anything with it

  • @Raveler1
    @Raveler14 жыл бұрын

    I just heard about FPGA yesterday - and here you are with a wonderful video detailing exactly what I was seeking. Thanks so much!

  • @MostlyPennyCat

    @MostlyPennyCat

    4 жыл бұрын

    The long and short of it is thus: They gave a computer an FPGA, a genetic algorithm and an impossible problem to solve. Which it then promptly solved. And nobody knew how.

  • @sawf6962
    @sawf69624 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic to see MISTer getting some love this side of the pond. Development really kicked off when Smokemonster did his video last year and since then there has been many more features added. The neogeo core doesn't seem too far away, and PlayStation 1 will be a great addition when it happens. Price wise I think when you consider the price of arcade pcbs such as 1943 the MISTer is worth it for that alone, truly a great game. I think you should link the Atari forum page as well as that is where people can find info on everything MISTer, and sellers of the add on boards themselves. There are a lot of sellers around the world so I'm sure your viewers would like to avoid high postage costs and import taxes. I've been selling boards myself for nearly a year and am based in the UK.

  • @arcadesunday4592
    @arcadesunday45923 жыл бұрын

    Very good coverage of the MiSTer project DE10 Nano! Very informative and entertaining. Cheers for now!

  • @retrorelicsandrepairs8572
    @retrorelicsandrepairs85724 жыл бұрын

    Once again, a fantastic and informative video. Top marks to you, and yes I understand what you mean by “feeling” one day when I can afford one, I WILL get one. Thank you so much 😊

  • @BAZFANSHOTHITSClassicTunes
    @BAZFANSHOTHITSClassicTunes4 жыл бұрын

    The ST and Amiga days were glorious.

  • @srotkiske
    @srotkiske4 жыл бұрын

    Great video. Thanks! I bought the parts a few weeks ago now I need to sit down and put it all together.

  • @airgreek

    @airgreek

    4 жыл бұрын

    Do you have links of where you bought them and which ones?

  • @Colin_Ames
    @Colin_Ames4 жыл бұрын

    The best MISTer video I have seen so far. Thanks!!

  • @beatchef
    @beatchef4 жыл бұрын

    I'm happy about the Acorn Archimedes love in this video :D The BBC Micro put me off computing when I was a tiny child because we had to play Granny's Garden and it scared me to death. But when I was a little older they got an Archimedes and ARCventure: The Romans and I was interested again! Then during lunchtimes and after school an enterprising kid put games on there like Mad Professor Moriarty and a Space Invaders clone with ketchup bottles and fried eggs. Then Lemmings got put on there and I begged my parents for months for something that could play Lemmings. Then at Christmas they got me an A500+ with the cartoon pack...

  • @MostlyPennyCat

    @MostlyPennyCat

    4 жыл бұрын

    Nur nur NUR Nur Nur Na Nur Na Nur Na NUR NUR.... etc _looks in the cupboard_ Ah, granny's garden...

  • @jamesfmackenzie

    @jamesfmackenzie

    4 жыл бұрын

    James Neave I’m also traumatised - that witch gives me the shivers

  • @MostlyPennyCat

    @MostlyPennyCat

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@jamesfmackenzie that's because we were raised in proper schools! Fear! Discipline! Always!

  • @amigoamiga9254
    @amigoamiga92544 жыл бұрын

    This looks amazing, I like how it's modular, this is something I would definitely like to play with in the future.

  • @connoredling8864
    @connoredling88644 жыл бұрын

    I have this board! We used it in school as a dev tool. I'm absolutely going to order stuff to try this out. I think it would be a great engineering project

  • @RoyHess666
    @RoyHess6664 жыл бұрын

    23:49 "What a gem this is"

  • @RMCRetro

    @RMCRetro

    4 жыл бұрын

    10 points to you 😁

  • @batlin

    @batlin

    4 жыл бұрын

    That brought a smile to my face too.

  • @lmlmd2714

    @lmlmd2714

    4 жыл бұрын

    Definitely an emerald gem.... green as green can be!

  • @grimvisionz91
    @grimvisionz9110 ай бұрын

    I've been watching through your video collection recently and I have to say that you're becoming one of my favorite retro gaming channels.

  • @RMCRetro

    @RMCRetro

    10 ай бұрын

    Thank you that’s very kind

  • @MEGAMIGA
    @MEGAMIGA4 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Long time Amiga here. Because of a faulty PSU, I blew up my Apollo 060. When I have money, I will buy a Vampire 1200. FPGA is indeed a small revolution for us old school computer users ;) Love your channel

  • @zxkim8136
    @zxkim81364 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant review neil. This is a capable machine with some great features and like you said it handles everything you throw at it. FPGAs will only get better, let's see what the next generation of coders can do with them😀😀😀 Kim 😁😁😁

  • @tanithrosenbaum
    @tanithrosenbaum4 жыл бұрын

    When you say "intel is wrong, this is for gaming" (laughed like crazy about that btw), you should probably explain why you're mentioning Intel there and that Altera is a division of Intel now, since that's probably not obvious to people outside the FPGA world. Great vid all arond!

  • @anjishnu8643

    @anjishnu8643

    4 жыл бұрын

    You, my friend are the hero our world needs.

  • @cheaterman49
    @cheaterman494 жыл бұрын

    23:13 YES! A Frontier demo! You thought of me! Thanks :-)

  • @gnattress
    @gnattress4 жыл бұрын

    Ok, it's taken a few months since watching this video before I went down the Mister DE-10 nano route - but I'm happy I did. The experience is fantastic! Thanks

  • @bitroast
    @bitroast4 жыл бұрын

    enjoyed the discussion on "feel". got my FPGA MiSTer setup up and running good number of months ago, and this is point is spot on. it feels accurate in a way that previous emulation never really has. it makes emulation feel all the more like an approximation, like looking at the software through a window. playing software on the FPGA MiSTer, the brain quickly forgets that it's not original hardware. it's lovely stuff :-)

  • @matthewjohnson1891

    @matthewjohnson1891

    4 жыл бұрын

    Totally. I was playing genesis and actually wenrmt to pause and my right thumb reached up passed the b button. I wasnt using a sega 3 button so there was nothing there. Way different experiance then software

  • @fredvaneijk1092
    @fredvaneijk10924 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for this great review, as one of the developers of the Altair 8800 core is was happy to see you gave it a try.

  • @411pete
    @411pete4 жыл бұрын

    This is so, so tempting, thanks for introducing this to me!

  • @Elradon
    @Elradon4 жыл бұрын

    Great video! Thank you for the great information. Can’t wait to get one myself!

  • @armisg5664
    @armisg56644 жыл бұрын

    Ooh, that 486 core is very intriguing!

  • @JorfDB
    @JorfDB4 жыл бұрын

    Great video. I'm excited for FPGA and the accuracy it can bring

  • @KittenNippl3s
    @KittenNippl3s4 жыл бұрын

    Just the video I was looking for. I think I am ready to dive into all this!

  • @stevechinz
    @stevechinz4 жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the info, I'll have to check this out!

  • @unclerubo
    @unclerubo4 жыл бұрын

    I got the Richmond reference. It put a smile on my face.

  • @bazza5699
    @bazza56994 жыл бұрын

    yay nice one neil.. finally getting round to doing the MISTer review... :) they are brilliant :) i totally agree with you neil.. there is an unidentifiable 'feel' you get on MISTer.. i've played rasp pi amiga emulators.. but when i booted up the MISTer minimig.. it just felt like the real thing.. same with the spectrum core and also the bombjack core which i played to death in arcades as a kid. great video.. nicely explained.. i hope more people get into the system and develop more cores.

  • @little_fluffy_clouds
    @little_fluffy_clouds2 жыл бұрын

    Loved and used the MiSTer since its early days and it has come such a long way. The experimental PSX core blew me away and there's even a SPARCstation core which is able to boot SunOS, Solaris and NEXTSTEP, so not only can I relive the games of my youth, I can also relive the work apps and workstations of my youth. Brilliant.

  • @electronash
    @electronash4 жыл бұрын

    Great job on this, mate. I think you explained it all perfectly. It is difficult to get across the "feel" of playing the games with near-zero lag until you've spent a bit of time using the platform. The low-latency is a far more important factor than I realised, too. When I first started using MiSTer with a CRT TV, it was quite a revelation. And I don't think it's just placebo, as it's been shown now that lower lag can improve gameplay and the overall experience, at least for a lot of retro games. It even managed to improve my terrible gaming skills slightly. lol (modern games are generally somewhat less dependant on having super-low latency, as many of them are written with modern displays in mind. That is starting to change as well though, as more TVs and monitors have low-lag modes.) It may not be for everyone, as you say, as many people will be more than content with software emulation etc., and that's fine. And now we're even starting to see things like the Run-ahead mode on some emulators, which can help mitigate some of the overall latency. Emulation has come a very long way, since the early days of ZSNES and UltraHLE. ;) But, the FPGA cores really are en entirely different approach, even if the cores do suffer the same challenges as software emulation. Namely, the lack of in-depth chip-level info for some systems. (It has taken many talented devs many years to get more systems running well under MAME, for example.) And a lot of that has to do with the fact that chip-level netlists simply aren't handed out by the manufacturers, so a lot of "black box" analysis has to be done on the custom chips and CPUs, to figure out exactly what happens on each clock cycle, given different input stimuli. One of the only times I've known of chip-level netlists being released to the public was for the Atari Jaguar. That core should be super accurate already, and has been working for several years now. It just needs a bit more work done to get it running on MiSTer. The author of the core has been taking a look at that in his spare time, so we may see it running on the new platform soon. The same talented dev also wrote the Genesis / MD, and PC Engine / tg16 cores. He's a true wizard. hehe... github.com/Torlus Otherwise, writing super-accurate re-implementations of the more complex systems often requires techniques like decapping the chips themselves, and analysing the silicon, just like Furrtek has been doing for the past few years for NeoGeo. The same techniques are now being used for some software emulators, including drivers in MAME, and that all helps to filter down to the FPGA cores eventually. There aren't many people actively working on new cores, though, only a tiny fraction compared to people writing software emulators. Hopefully that's now starting to change with exposure from vids like yours, and people starting to understand the benefits. ;) And yep, for me it's also very much about the preservation of the original machines. The original hardware sadly won't last forever, although restorers like yourself are doing great work to prolong the life of these old systems. Using FPGAs is pretty much the ONLY way we have atm (as consumers / hobbyists), to truly preserve the logic of these systems. Not all cores can claim to be 100% bug-free, nor cycle-accurate as yet, but they are gradually getting there. Many of the 8-bit cores likely are very accurate already, though. Now that most of the popular cores are up to a good standard, we can start working on the tools and techniques for confirming accuracy against the OG hardware. For the slightly more subjective measurements, like audio, people have now written tools to do Fourier analysis on various consoles like the Mega Drive, so the audio can be compared directly between console revisions, and to the FPGA version. Anyway, yeah, it is an exciting time atm for this stuff, and whether people are into software emulation or FPGA re-implementations, it's always good to have more choices. ;)

  • @SianaGearz

    @SianaGearz

    4 жыл бұрын

    As to the low-latency argument, well you can pretty damn close in software emulation. You can chase the beam and overwrite a single buffer just ahead of the scanout, it is a massive current emulator research direction. And various hurry-up and latency negation schemes, like, what if your gamepad had 8 or so possible button transition states, with any given button being pressed or release, you can simply fork the emulation and emulate all these states, and then you basically already have the emulation result of what would have happened a frame or two later when the game finally reacts to your inputs. I mean a game might be reading the input at the beginning of the frame, updating the simulation during the frame (moving sprites and projectiles and whatnot in a back buffer), updating the video registers in the blanking period to copy the simulation state to the visible state, and then the scanout happens - but you already have the input and the result that would have happened in the future, so you can negate game's inherent input latency. But that's all still relying on common emulation shortcuts for the sake of performance. For systems that are well researched, FPGA truly allows to avoid those and the inherent compromise. It is exciting indeed! Emulation latency might also be inherently easy to eliminate (and in good implementations nonexistent) for purely framebuffer-based targets such as Playstation original and such, as the fundamental mechanism and sequence of operation matches between the console and the PC. The more complex, abstract and high-level from software standpoint the machines got, more modern-PC-like in a way, like Gamecube is a great example, the less cycle-based emulation accuracy has been achievable or sensible, and software may very well genuinely be the better approach. On the other hand, with Dreamcast i can still see value in this because the GPU has no modern equivalent in its operations and is remarkably difficult to emulate - so if you could make a hybrid, if you can just fit the GPU into the FPGA and emulate the CPU in software, you could achieve something decent. Of course the other argument is that something maybe should be done even if for little practical purpose, just because it appears borderline possible, and if it becomes reality, it's just such a fulfilling achievement. If it crosses a particular quality threshold at least - nobody likes those emulators that only crawl along at a few frames per second with no sound.

  • @1luarluar1
    @1luarluar14 жыл бұрын

    very well explained. It would be interesting to do a comparison between software emulation and fpga of a bunch of games and show the difference in detail. cheers!

  • @taw6528
    @taw65284 жыл бұрын

    This video at the time alerted me to this little marvel and I am still loving it.

  • @Brewskii2117
    @Brewskii21174 жыл бұрын

    I've been having allot of fun exploring the different computers offered, had no idea about the Acorn Archimedes and Risc OS, what a great system.

  • @SirDimpls
    @SirDimpls3 жыл бұрын

    Thank you for this video, this just blew my mind as I didn't know a community replicating gaming hardware in FPGAs existed. Me and a few friends were about to begin a preservation project for arabic-localized computers and this seems to be the perfect way to do it!

  • @GazMarshall
    @GazMarshall4 жыл бұрын

    As always Neil, you've outdone yourself! Very entertaining video 😍👍

  • @EHProjects
    @EHProjects4 жыл бұрын

    I enjoyed the "IT Crowd" reference with the Altair. =)

  • @aminekostone1411
    @aminekostone14114 жыл бұрын

    Great video. I've had the set-up since Christmas, and it has, a little sadly, replaced my MiST setup. It is absolutely amazing. I'm more of a fanatic of the old computers personally, so seeing the likes of the Coco3 and ZX Spectrum (by the way, how you couldn't show the Amstrad and Speccy in the video was criminal!!) makes it very good. Very recently we've had additions such as the Acorn Electron and the Oric Atmos - although no disk/tape support just yet. All in all most amazing.

  • @lazyhominid
    @lazyhominid4 жыл бұрын

    A very good summary. Thanks for making this!

  • @rachelwindsor850
    @rachelwindsor8504 жыл бұрын

    I love that little Noctua fan on there. I'd love to get my hands on one of these at some point. I'm going to keep an eye on it and see if the price drops a bit.

  • @queenbeeautumn
    @queenbeeautumn4 жыл бұрын

    I remember being entranced by that Frontier demo when I was a kid, unfortunately I never did actually play the game, may have to pick up one of these to scratch that old forgotten itch :)

  • @SidebandSamurai
    @SidebandSamurai4 жыл бұрын

    Very cool video, the hardware is simply fantastic. Now I gotta go out and buy one.

  • @DubiousEngineering
    @DubiousEngineering4 жыл бұрын

    Admittedly I’m listening to this in the car while driving rather than watching the video... I bet the performance of the FPGA cores hardware emulate far better than the PI software emulating... I’m keen to watch the video when home... (I typed this on my drive)

  • @RMCRetro

    @RMCRetro

    4 жыл бұрын

    Stop typing while driving Howie!!!

  • @DubiousEngineering

    @DubiousEngineering

    4 жыл бұрын

    RetroManCave you have cameras everywhere!! :-)

  • @NipkowDisk
    @NipkowDisk4 жыл бұрын

    Noctua fan on the MISTer... that speaks quality right there.

  • @TheRetroByte
    @TheRetroByte4 жыл бұрын

    Excellent bit of kit. Would love to see this in the Checkmate 1500 👍

  • @ricardobornman1698
    @ricardobornman16984 жыл бұрын

    This is fantastic. Love it.

  • @asic_
    @asic_4 жыл бұрын

    Loved the IT crowd reference!

  • @mh-jw6gr
    @mh-jw6gr2 жыл бұрын

    New viewer to your channel, and I do like your content! Spaceballs demo, it blew my mind when it was released, and it still does now! :)

  • @MustangFastback
    @MustangFastback4 жыл бұрын

    Fantastic video!

  • @aitchpea6011
    @aitchpea60114 жыл бұрын

    Bypassing Elite's copy protection system - just type INCOMING as the key word every time. It'll work within a half-dozen tries as it doesn't have a very big dictionary

  • @AdamChristensen
    @AdamChristensen4 жыл бұрын

    Hardware emulation in hardware. It's a fine idea! At the very least, it makes hard to find systems much more accessible.

  • @TheTurnipKing

    @TheTurnipKing

    4 жыл бұрын

    more importantly, it KEEPS them accessible as the original hardware starts to fail.

  • @MostlyPennyCat

    @MostlyPennyCat

    4 жыл бұрын

    I wouldn't call it hardware emulation, it's more hardware equivalence, or bootleg. If they're copying closed designs it's unlikely they're a gate-for-gate copy, but it is _real_ gate-level hardware.

  • @6581punk

    @6581punk

    4 жыл бұрын

    Emulation suggests software simulation. But it really does create a hardware equivalent. As much as people can do without having access to the original chip designs.

  • @spikester

    @spikester

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@6581punk People are writing FPGA cores out of die level shots and photos of mask roms... original chip design not always required.

  • @DecibelAlex

    @DecibelAlex

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@spikester there's not a whole lot of information you can use from just looking at photos.. you can't see inside a rom, unless you have x-ray vision. did you mean schematics? even if you have all the schematics you still need to read I/O signals. that goes for anything you want to backwards engineer, no matter if you do it in physical form or virtual

  • @petethedrummer
    @petethedrummer4 жыл бұрын

    First time seeing your channel. What a really great video.

  • @RMCRetro

    @RMCRetro

    4 жыл бұрын

    Hey thank you for dropping by!

  • @vix_in_japan
    @vix_in_japan4 жыл бұрын

    Loved that sneaky IT Crowd reference :)

  • @josephwright433

    @josephwright433

    3 жыл бұрын

    Came here to say that haha

  • @kbhasi
    @kbhasi4 жыл бұрын

    3 minutes in and I realised why they're using the SoC version of the Cyclone V instead of the regular version, and that could be in order to be able to pull up a configuration OSD from the ARM side!

  • @RetroRecollections
    @RetroRecollections4 жыл бұрын

    Brilliant overview and review. Devices like this are most certainly the future of emulation. Great value in comparison to devices made by Analogue as you mentioned. Hopefully in the future someone will create add-on boards (for example a cartridge slot) that allow people to use their original games with the MiSTer or it's successor.

  • @KyussTheWalkingWorm

    @KyussTheWalkingWorm

    4 жыл бұрын

    The obvious difference is that the boards from Analogue come in a nice case that takes real cartridges and controllers, with no setup required. A MiSTer is more powerful and flexible for the price, but it's not quite the same for putting in your living room, for example. Both devices serve slightly different needs.

  • @NetrunnerZA
    @NetrunnerZA4 жыл бұрын

    This was epic, now send me that flashback game behind you :)

  • @TheSulross
    @TheSulross4 жыл бұрын

    There was an April Fool's gag about a new Raspberry Pi model with an on-board FPGA - well now, here's the real deal!

  • @bionicgeekgrrl

    @bionicgeekgrrl

    4 жыл бұрын

    It will need to come down in price by a fair amount for a pi to be viable. They are really keen to keep as close to £35 for the base model as possible and £50 at most.

  • @TheSulross

    @TheSulross

    4 жыл бұрын

    @@bionicgeekgrrl , was listening to some retro podcast past week and recall someone mentioned they were playing around with an FPGA that was much simpler than some ~$200 plus FPGA dev board and was finding it much easy to get started with and learn on...am thinking they were saying was down in the sub $40 range. Well, the true magic happens when an ARM SOC and FPGA are mated together on the same board. But even if a Raspberry Pi board with an on-board FPGA cost $60 to $80, there'd be a crazy market for it - especially if it was done in a way for making a much simpler entry into FPGA development (that's where the real revolution needs to happen). Just universities and colleges using them for first year EE students would be big market, but like always it would quickly filter down to high schools and Makers. Would be a new second wave Raspberry Pi revolution - doing for EE digital chip design what the Pi has done for entry into comp sci. and cyber control systems (Maker projects).

  • @corgibuttz2550
    @corgibuttz25503 жыл бұрын

    I about died when you said "wait for it. Double Flash."

  • @TheRokkis
    @TheRokkis4 жыл бұрын

    I should play Under A Killing Moon through again. Amazing game, amazing acting.

  • @custardo
    @custardo4 жыл бұрын

    FPGA is indeed the way forward (with some caveats), Great video!

  • @0xc0ffea
    @0xc0ffea4 жыл бұрын

    Just took the plunge in large part down to how you expressed the feel of it. You're right, it feels night and day different from an emulator, emulation had me starting to wonder if I just wasn't any good at the games I played growing up. The feel of cycle exact hardware simulation with no controller lag is quite amazing.

  • @gusdelmoba3185
    @gusdelmoba31854 жыл бұрын

    I have a robotron cabinet. My dad build it in the 80s and i still have it. Need to fix it but that game is fun.

  • @Asterra2
    @Asterra24 жыл бұрын

    You did a fantastic job of enunciating the tangible appeal of this development. I think the message will really hit home once those 100% certifications start landing and people commence assembling charts to compare latency between the various options: Traditional emulators in their ideal state, official recreations (Nintendo minis), the original hardware, and FPGA. I think people who have relied on standard emulators will be shocked indeed to learn that they've been settling for multi-frame latency for decades. That's going to be the factor that drives the popularity of this approach.

  • @ZaPpaul
    @ZaPpaul4 жыл бұрын

    This video swayed me into purchasing the DE-10 Nano and I have now had it for just over 3 months and can only sing its praises. The only thing that bothers is that at the end of the video there was what looked to be the R-Type arcade core, but I have never been able to find it. Other than that, wow! It's an awesome piece of kit and well worth the investment and that's coming from someone that was a Retropie die-hard. Thanks for this video it has changed me and for the better.

  • @Zachiroth04

    @Zachiroth04

    4 жыл бұрын

    Its the TurboGrafx-16 port.

  • @doktor6495
    @doktor64954 жыл бұрын

    A new age of emulators! Great stuff! Greetings, Doktor64!

  • @deeiks12
    @deeiks124 жыл бұрын

    It seems to be worth for just the Amiga emulation only. I've been looking for a 1200 for a while now, but they are getting pretty rare and expensive. this might do the trick. It would be great to have a possibility to use a real amiga keyboard from an amiga with a faulty system board for example. awesome.

  • @DaveVelociraptor
    @DaveVelociraptor4 жыл бұрын

    With 1942, and 1942 (and hopefully more Capcom) and Neogeo you could revisit this topic Neil. Looks like CP system is coming to MiSTer and that's going to be incredible. For me Arcade games didn't go far into the 90s so it looks like MiSTer will cover all I remember.

  • @RetroChiZ
    @RetroChiZ4 жыл бұрын

    I think what sets this apart from any emulation system is the lag-free experience. It truly is like playing the real thing.

  • @SianaGearz

    @SianaGearz

    4 жыл бұрын

    Latency is currently finding interesting experimental solutions in software-based emulation - which are theoretically sustainable, so it's not exactly futile. Retroarch supports run-ahead negative latency on some lighter weight cores. Some emulators are experimenting with beam-racing techniques which reduce scanout latency from 1 whole frame to a handful of lines.

  • @mrreee4685
    @mrreee46854 жыл бұрын

    Cant wait for the Vampire Standalone system to come out, will be a great Amiga FPGA system

  • @michelvanbriemen3459
    @michelvanbriemen34593 жыл бұрын

    The moment I was gonna type "I wish FPGAs will have full fat 486 PCs some day" I see Doom and Civilisation. FPGA's truly are going places quick.

  • @eidrag
    @eidrag4 жыл бұрын

    Looking to play old Japanese game on various hardware up until windows 98, when I saw this video, now I'm subscribing, it's exciting to see the future of retro gaming

  • @ArthurKannibal
    @ArthurKannibal4 жыл бұрын

    Currently a prospecting MiSTer adopter, I have been doing research on solutions for playing classic games on my old CRT TV at their native 240p resolution without breaking the bank. If all else failed, I was going to consider just buying a flash cart for each console which would have been an investment of hundreds of dollars. Ever since a friend told me about the MiSTer FPGA, I have been on a non-stop obsessive marathon of watching videos about it. To answer your question, I firmly believe that people who want the console accurate experience on a classic CRT TV should stop searching and hop on the MiSTER FPGA as soon as possible. Personally, I'm beyond convinced on what the MiSTer offers. If people feel like software emulation is still the way to go, that's fine because that is what options exist for.

  • @haziqsembilanlima
    @haziqsembilanlima4 жыл бұрын

    I had the chance to use Cyclone II based FPGA board in a limited time. To see a quite affordable (FPGA usually cost more) DE10 board is interesting.

  • @hgfhghghgfhfghgfhghg538
    @hgfhghghgfhfghgfhghg5384 жыл бұрын

    This guy is such a gentleman love the channel

  • @michaelmonstar4276
    @michaelmonstar4276 Жыл бұрын

    13:11 - It sounds like when you have a buffer set too low in the audio-processing and you start hearing stutters or crackles. But it's indeed more the effects than the music.

  • @michaelsworkshop9031
    @michaelsworkshop90314 жыл бұрын

    And just to be clear, it isn't JUST that it "plays Robotron", it plays hardware accurate (presumably near cycle accurate) Robotron exactly as an arcade motherboard would - so much better than the MAME experience or any port to another platform. You really did a good job of conveying that exactness of the true feeling in the platforms MiSTer supports, Neil - thank you for another great video.

  • @DeputatKaktus
    @DeputatKaktus4 жыл бұрын

    „Intel is wrong - this is for gaming!“ Made my day. Thank you! ❤️

  • @PluckyD
    @PluckyD4 жыл бұрын

    Excellent video! Here's to more FPGA solutions for consoles being released. Software emulation was a nice holdover, but I believe this evolution of game preservation is the right direction to go. Hopefully we'll see more powerful SoC's and lower cost in the future.

  • @PluckyD

    @PluckyD

    4 жыл бұрын

    @TehPsychedelic Not exactly sure what point you are trying to make to whom here lol. "Was" as in we don't HAVE to use them for many 8-bit consoles and (thanks to Kevtris) the two biggest 16-bit consoles as well. Nobody was asserting to throw out your 8th gen consoles because FPGA's are taking over next year...I'm fairly certain everyone else knew I was talking about classic consoles.

  • @PluckyD

    @PluckyD

    4 жыл бұрын

    @TehPsychedelic No worries, but I'm still hoping an advanced race of aliens visits Earth and gives us the schematics for an accurate N64 FPGA core...guy can dream, right? ;-)

  • @siskavard
    @siskavard4 жыл бұрын

    "Look, I'm proddin' it" instant Like & Subscribe

  • @PadPoet
    @PadPoet4 жыл бұрын

    In one word: Yes.

  • @johnkortink8133
    @johnkortink81334 жыл бұрын

    Kewl. MISTer boards ordered. I have a DE10 Nano lying around anyway, for my own projects. :-)

  • @nellyfish9692
    @nellyfish96924 жыл бұрын

    Sam Coupe!! I am so tempted.

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