Not sure if you know this but there is a free terrain radar mod. It adds a VSD, terrain, and weather radar to many aircraft that don’t have it. It’s directly comparable with the Zibo so it should work just fine. It’s called “ Terrain radar + Vertical Situation Display”

@adamfarkas5327

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, now that you mention it, if I remember correctly from my XP11 days, it was also recommended on the Zibo mod's page.

@Vanderlindegang1899

Жыл бұрын

Dr. Gluck´s

@Sim737Pilot

Жыл бұрын

@@Vanderlindegang1899 Yes, that's the one.

1:13:56 Unfortunately xplane 12 changed a lot of things that made it hard for Zibo to simply port the plane from XP11 with no issues. Thrust was one of casualties of the changes in XP's flight model. It is a great shame that you did not try it during the glory days of XP11, but great to see you using it now regardless. I'm sure that it will be brought back up to scratch in the near future. Zibo and his helpers are fantastic developers!

Zibo was my favorite plane before I switched to MSFS, 3 plugins need to be installed to get it fully functional: Avitab, better pushback, and terrain radar. And I remember zibo does have performance calculator, at least for landing i guess, maybe in the weight & balance section in the efb

Nice to see your first impression on the Zibo. I flew it for many years on X-Plane 11 before moving to MSFS. Gotta say the PMDG for me feels more authentic and immersive, especially the cockpit modelling and the ftsim+ sound pack. But the Zibo flies like a dream and for me it always felt more satisfying to take off and land. Also I’d highly recommend BetterPushback and the Terrain Radar plugin which enables the terrain function on the MFD in many aircraft for X-Plane, including Zibo. I may also suggest the RealPFD mod for more realistic looking displays. Looking forward for future videos!

@noway9880

Жыл бұрын

Zibo: Start APU. Observe APU EGT Temp. Switch ON APUGEN Bus #2 then #1. Notice APU EGT doesn't move! Turn APU Bleed on-EGT still static. Now turn both packs on! See? Little details like this can break immersion. PMDG gets it right. Zibo gets close-but they miss the little things like this :(

Excellent seeing your experiences and conclusions with the Zibo, much appreciated. I greatly enjoy both this and the PMDG.

As I flew the Zibo Mod regularly on XP11 I can say something seems off on the AP behavior - it did not move the column that erratically back then so I guess it's some compatibility issue with XP12 changes you see. For sounds, iirc there are settings in the EFB for the volume of different systems in "audio volumes & EQ". The FMC "chime" might also relating to the setting you wondered about ("FMC beep sound" - 11:00)

What an interesting video🎉 I watched it without skiping

I really like the Zibo sounds, and the roll sounds:)

@iaexo

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that sound when the engines are initially spooled up is fantastic, really sounds like being in a real 737NG. The buzzsaw at TOGA thrust too. I have to say though, Listened to a 737 taxi out of a self-manoeuvering stand (was about 25 or so metres from the aircraft) and the PMDG sounds were spot on for the external spool up and idle. The Zibo also gets that satisfying low pitch hum about right (when the thrust is brought back during the flare) but sometimes you can't really hear it on the real aircraft. The PMDG sound engineer did say in the forums he was looking to implement a more realistic soundpack - so let's see!

Interesting video. Wonder how your opinion would change had you known how to use the sim better and been able to distinguish which behaviours are X-Plane related limitations\bugs (same as msfs has some quirks) and once you've installed terrain radar and everything else needed to make the Zibo mod complete. I thought about writing a timeline including explanations on how I would do different things in the sim (pressing 4 once when the speedbrake is stowed, for example, would arm it; you can bing thrust reversers to your yoke or press Shift+/ to activate them (and again to stow them). Would you be interested in that?

@gamerdeol2694

Жыл бұрын

exactly

I Should test Rotate MD-11F, very nice addon. Toliss A340-600 also

That trim sounds like a fishing reel 😄

First 😅 I hope you enjoy the Zibo 737 and all the other great planes in this sim. Thanks for the showcase and work!

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I surely do, there's some great aircraft out there for XP12. Graphics are a bit of a thing unfortunately, but the quality of some of those aircraft is really good, just like MSFS if in some cases not better.

@Sim737Pilot

Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver Just like the Level D sim, graphics aren't the focus of the SIMULATOR.

@gamerdeol2694

Жыл бұрын

@@Sim737Pilot finally someone said it

@PMDG look Zibo managed to implement a EFB😂

@GeorgeLIFESTYLE

Жыл бұрын

And many other options and sounds. Also it is free. I really miss it.

@majoraviatior1611

Жыл бұрын

@@GeorgeLIFESTYLEif you miss it,go back to it there’s nothing stopping you

@GeorgeLIFESTYLE

Жыл бұрын

@@majoraviatior1611 not for the moment. You are one of those guys that want a functional cockpit door implemented instead of other major updates of Systems, sounds and etc. I understand you, but try to understand the people that paid for this 👍

@gamerdeol2694

Жыл бұрын

@@GeorgeLIFESTYLE lol

The terrain does work, you just have to download a separate plugin for that

For terrain to work you have to install an extra addon that displays terrain data to the 737 zibo

the "bing" at 54:10 or so is, i believe, the baffling "FMC BEEP SOUND" option in the EFB which you can see at 11:01. if enabled, when you change something on the FMC (but have not yet pressed EXEC), a "MOD" enunciator pops up on the top left of the screen, and the FMC "bings".

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

Thanks!

Very useful video, thank you. One change I had to make was "Tire Blown Advanced" in Realism settings. I found if I left that set at "ON" I blew a tyre on EVERY landing whether it was made at 20fpm or 200fpm. It results in the aircraft stopping on the runway and even full power does not move it.

I think you should test “break away Thrust” again. You can start role with ver low n1 in Zibomod, witch is not correct. With 60 tones you should not start moving with 25% N1.

I used to do Zibo in XP11 but with every update came extra menu complications in the EFB, now there are just to many complications. I love the simplicity of IXEG -300 version and preferred they way it flew. It is developed by a real pilot and the XP12 version is hopefully coming soon!

you can aboard the passenger onboard there is option to show/hide the passenger on the tablet, and also you can turn down the head up display

You selected the "bing" in the setup when you said "I wonder what this FMC bing is ?". The way you have it set up it bings everytime the FMC EXEC lights up.

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

Ah, makes sense!

You should try with x-plane 11 with zibo version before early access, i can tell the flight model feeling much close to level D/Real life. I found xp12 zibo flight model including toliss a320 when doing flare the a/c will sink without adding more power or constant final approach speed. Im curious about some real life pilot input including you! i fly in real life too.

For the terrain radar you need the free terrain radar mod, it is a plugin.

Little trick, the mic ptt p/b on the glareshield is actually activated as toga button.

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

Ahh, very good to know!

@johanjacobs9240

Жыл бұрын

Yes, you press the mic button and shout out load TOGA. Instant voice recognition! 🤣 Just kidding.

Another great video once more. I don't know any better free addon than this one. In terms of payload, you had a 160 configuration instead of the 189. As for the terrain radar i think there is an expansion available to download for the zibo.

@Adwokatini

Жыл бұрын

In general he forgot to load passengers in the aft part of the plane

@majoraviatior1611

Жыл бұрын

Fbw is as good

@iaexo

Жыл бұрын

@@majoraviatior1611 The Zibo model isn't very good geometry-wise but the FBW's unfortunately looks totally off. Not the fault of any of the devs though - they are using the default sim models. FBW is going to work on an improved model for the A32NX but that will come after the A380X so that's still some way out.

@majoraviatior1611

Жыл бұрын

The cockpit is getting remodelled. It flies well and systems are great tho

@deanweber7093

Жыл бұрын

@@majoraviatior1611 FBW hasn't even a correct modeled Cockpit. The Asobo cockpit model is so much worse than Zibo. And FBW is not different in terms of cockpit modelling

Very nice video! I have a question though, what is the difference between basic and common vnav?

@Sim737Pilot

Жыл бұрын

There's good illustrations with Google search. I recommend Common as most carriers are set up this way.

The yoke movements are a bit like a FBW system on a relaxed stability aircraft, making constant small corrections. It appears to be rhythmic; it's probably just a glitch of XP12's control logic and Zibo's implementation.

Regarding the displays at 59:05 perhaps it's the more "bolded" font? Could be an XP thing but the lines used to draw the fonts just appear more thick than in the real NG PFD.

I had the same issue with the zoom in thing I figured out that it was an antialiasing thing.

I found it facinating to hear comments from a real pilot. I have a small suggestion. When you are reviewing, I think it would be beneficial to mention the aspects you like about the aircraft and where it is better than other 737s. For me, I think the Zibo mod is second only to PMDG. I think the wingflex on the PMDG is jerky and not smooth. For me it detracts from the realism, and show a weakness in the physics animation. Your review is excellent and much appreciated. Thank you.

@aviyax7903

Жыл бұрын

He's talked about wingflex before and he said it doesn't matter to him because you don't look at the wing in real life, but I agree that the Zibo wingflex is much better, although not crucial for flying

Very good sounds

Thanks very much for your review. Out of interest, what would you say does the PMDG make better than the Zibo, since your conclusion is that it isn't a the same quality-level? I am a big fan of the PMDG. But also of the Zibo 🙂

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

Systems seem simulated on a deeper level (like the direct to trick I tried which messed over VNAV), graphics are much better. Sounds also seem better. Zibo has some things PMDG still lacks like the ground roll sounds, but overall you can hear the PMDG sounds are clearer in my opinion. The point where zibo clearly wins are flight dynamics and depending on the point of view the variety of options available, depending on which options you're looking for.

@frankbyte

Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver Thanks very much for these explanations. I actually love the PMDG, it‘s a very solid addon. Just that i don‘t use that sim anymore 😊

the TOGA clickspot should be on the microphone button.

Shift+G to dock the Jetway

Could you maybe think about doing a sound comparison between PMDG and Zibo at some point?

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

I'd rather not, both don't make me think "yes, that's a 737"

@Sim737Pilot

Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver In addition, everyone's PC sound system is different. Listening to engines on integrated laptop speakers is rubbish no matter how good the sound files are. I wouldn't go down that rabbit hole either.

Great review. However, there isn’t much of an option when it comes to which one to chose. MSFS PMDG and for Xplane hands down is the ZIBO.

@Sim737Pilot

Жыл бұрын

Fly both. Both are great. Both are not perfect.

@MoisesSimana

Жыл бұрын

@@Sim737Pilot and that’s the case with all airplanes in either sim. Including Tolis airbus line. Which is excellent.

This looks like graphics from 2013. XP 12 has a long way to go to catch up to MSFS in graphics.

@goldgamer8446

Жыл бұрын

Exactly like MSFS has a long way to go to catch up to XP's flight dynamics.

@gaenthusiast9427

Жыл бұрын

@@goldgamer8446 Except that's not true. The consensus that I have read from real life pilots is that XP's flight model is marginally better than MSFS. And some real life pilots prefer MSFS's flight model over XP's flight model. As for default GA avionics, MSFS has the better default G1000, G3000, G5000, GNS 430, and GNS 530. XP 12 default avionics are falling behind.

@goldgamer8446

Жыл бұрын

@@gaenthusiast9427 Thats quite BS because even inertia is completely off. That won‘t be noticeable if you only quickly test a model with some random weights. MSFS-flightmodel is lacking a lot in general. I know that its hard for accolytes to admit. You should listen to BB711 who explains in details the huge difference in the flight dynamics. And no one cares about avionics, we use payware-addons anyway.

@angelicguru4066

Жыл бұрын

@@gaenthusiast9427 MSFS‘flightmodel is like from the 90s when you are used to XP.

@johnmaguire2185

Жыл бұрын

Most simmers, even those on YT, when challenged to do side by side flights in XP and MSFS can’t demo a big enough difference in an aircraft systems / flight dynamics worth the view out of the window in XP compared to MSFS. In any case with A2A now in MSFS the flight model, for GA at least, is also moving to a win for MSFS. More aircraft to come from A2A. With MSFS 2024 next year and sim updates after that. Even higher quality aircraft updates from Fenix and PMDG expected within 12 months. Possibly even an FSLaps release in 2024. Why would any new simmer choose XP or P3D as their sim? Not just the aircraft, the number of add ons is still growing rapidly and far more affordable in MSFS. Economy of scale. The answer to that question on which sim to choose tells devs everything they need to know about where their next project is in the profit margin. By the end of 2024 the FBW 320 / 380 will almost certainly be the best two freeware aircraft of all time. The new 320 model is taking second place to the 380, but dev on 32NX continues apace. ZIBO seems to be in the maintaining phase of development. So how much improvement will there be in two years?

Although XP 12 graphics are not as crisp as MSFS/PMDG, I enjoy flying XP 12 more. But it is true, the flickering and other problems are quite embarrassing especially for the framerates you get in XP. MSFS has 100% better graphics and 100% better framerates at the same time. But XP physics feel better.

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

Fully agree on the physics. As I mostly care about systems and flight dynamics for the Airbus widebodies XP and the Toliss will stay my go-to Addons for that. For "casual" simming it'll stay MSFS though.

Should fly the XP11 version. Absolutely faultless and still probably the best a/c in XP (and definitely the best value 😂)

@Sim737Pilot

Жыл бұрын

I still fly the XP11 version, especially when I need a working weather radar for deviations.

Finally you are on a real sim! 🎉

@peter-mv5gk

Жыл бұрын

😑

There are a lot more failures options in the x plane failure menu

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

And those can be used with the zibo or are there any incompabilities?

@tobi_1648

Жыл бұрын

​@@A330Driverthey can be used with any aircraft as far as I know, but definitely with zibo mod

Looking at these comments - imagine being so sad that you feel the need to fight over the best fake 737. Just enjoy your preference

How does this compare to the PMDG? Seems some have the opinion that the Zibo is much better. Is that correct?

Well that was a very diplomatic opinion of the Zibo 737 vs the PMDG 737 for MSFS. Probably didn't want to upset anybody.

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

True. Something I really noticed during my last xplane videos was how easily xplane users seem to get upset in the comments. Seems like a lot of heat is involved there and I didn't want to risk upsetting anyone.

@peter-mv5gk

Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver your title also seemed a little bit like that (;

@majoraviatior1611

Жыл бұрын

Yeah lot of them wants there sim to be the best at EVERYTHING and if you tell them otherwise they will get pissed off with there bias opinions. They take everything to heart but that’s fine

@tubeloobs

Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver Just X-Plane fanboys being X-Plane fanboys

@guus9259

Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver I'm a "X-plane fanboy" and I really liked your video and I I'm really curious what is your opinion on the A340. I'm not a real life pilot, but can see that you're not used to flying this specific model (which is completely understandable). I think that will not change your judgement, because these are some smaller issues. To get the terrain option working I think you have to download the seperate add-on from Mr. Gluck (In the Xplane forum they refer to it). Shift-G is to get Jetway and ground services working (don't know what these ground serivces actually do however. Jetways are not always supported). Hidden TOGA click spot is the MIC button on the left. Radio controls: look careful at you mousepointer (You can turn the innerknob (small curved pointer) to change everything after the point. To turn the outerknob the pointer needs to have a big pointer, it is hard to see and to get it showing up, especially when you're not used to it)). This goes for all the radios. For freeware it is very okay, but I would love to try the PMDG Boeing, which I never flew.

I really want the A2 FMC on the PMDG as well. Apart from the different layout of the buttons were there any other differences in the real aircraft? Was it faster to input/respond?

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

No, only layout changes and added data link capabilities.

@tomstravels520

Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driverok. There seem to be some elements of U14 for the FMC software as they added the baro temp compensation page. Not seen what the APP REF 2nd page is yet

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

@@tomstravels520 I only know that page from the MAX, you define the breaking coefficient in there so that RSAT can adjust it's callouts.

@tomstravels520

Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver RSAT? Is that Boeing version of ROW/ROPS (not sure if your new airline has that)

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

RSAT is an "enhanced" version of what most people know as RAAS, but including more energy management features such as runway overrun protections.

The thing I miss the most about the Zibo was ZHSI, a free 3rd party app that allowed me to export the MIP displays and annunciators to a networked computer for my home cockpit. Not having to pop those screens on my main PC saved me a few FPS. Plus, it also allowed showing annunciators (and basically turn any dataref into an annunciator). I hope Asobo / PMDG provide a way to do this in the future.

Practically the same to PMDG lmao

My terrain warning doesnt work too

What addons did you use?

"that is ALright".... yes, yes it is.

Hi wondering the Zibo or pmdg has damage modelling. Example if U abuse the airplane or operate it badly. Will damage be modelled??

@Sim737Pilot

Жыл бұрын

XPlane does have a general option to "Remove flying surfaces when overspeed or over G limits" but is not recommended when using Zibo because it conflicts with the code as the EFB already has failure options. If you force crash it, it will blow up into flames and smoke unlike the boring MSFS black screen with error msg.

Why did you move to airbus?

Well I for one missed the briefing

Is this the current version of the zibo?

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

According the indication on xplane.to there is no update available.

The shakey yoke is to do with yoke settings. You need to calibrate the entire controls from the Xplane joystick menu before every flight The bing... Is in the settings, FMC beep to tel you, you past a waypoint. It's an option you can turn off, it's a flightsimisim.

Takeoff performance calculation is available in the Fuel, W & B option. They should make it available seperate.

@querbahn

Жыл бұрын

No, only the landing performance calculation works yet in the Zibo.

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't click anything on the takeoff performance tab. Only landing worked.

@passengerescobar

Жыл бұрын

I use the virtual performance tool subscription for landing and takeoff configs.

I have Xplane 11 and MSFS each have its advantages and disadvantages. But I honestly can’t really go back to 1980 graphics no matter what addon you use it never gets close to MSFS. With PMDG, FBW, Fenix and now the new A2A Comanche I only use MSFS. That A2A is the best GA in any sim out there. The new MSFS 2024 should really improve flight dynamics and really make a dent in the flightsim community.

@johanjacobs9240

Жыл бұрын

I have XP12 and can't agree more with you. I find it really hard to fly in XP 12 with the excellent Zibo.

@Lungolords

Жыл бұрын

Agreed, I know graphics aren't everything, but the jump in graphics is so severe it makes it almost impossible to go back to Xp11/12. Seems also Fenix and A2A for example they have really honed in on the flight model using their own external programs to have better flight characteristics. Also XP12 still has non-stop issues, can't even update it right now and they were unable to help me

@TheOfficialSethos

Жыл бұрын

As much as I love X-Plane, the low FPS and insane shimmering is just so distracting. Especially now that frame generation is a thing in MSFS, seeing sub-40 FPS in a sim that looks 5+ years old is kinda embarrassing.

@animatedchristmascollector3754

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I agree. A2a Comanche is a different bird and is better then any ga aircraft on xplane at this point of time

@michabieaga2636

Жыл бұрын

For me XP graphics are definitely better than MSFS. Here I have razor sharp textures everywhere with very good lightning effects. If for you XP graphics are from 80's then you need glasses or better PC hardware to run it at high settings. With HD Mesh + SimHeaven + Orbx TrueEarth I can have 30GB of RAM usage and 16+ GB VRAM usage. In MSFS you have blurry ortho textures of some snapshot in time that doesn't look good or natural. Xplane generates more plausible world and with new volumetric clouds and seasonal shaders in XP12 it is very good. No back to MSFS in my case.

link for this zibo mod PLEASE

These minecraft graphics in 2023..

@tomstravels520

Жыл бұрын

Laminar doesn’t have the budget of Microsoft and doesn’t have its own mapping service. If MSFS didn’t exist I guarantee you’d say it was at least fairly good

@MrBillUp

Жыл бұрын

😂👍

@Fcreceptor

Жыл бұрын

MSFS 2002 really has come a long way! 😅

@goldgamer8446

Жыл бұрын

Minecraft vs post-atomic war-field with melted down buildings; the choice is big 😂

@geonauto

Жыл бұрын

If thats if your concern, defo Xplane its not for you

XPRealistic is a must for X-Plane

Zibo was the plane I was using the most before moving to MSFS. It was ok for a freeware plane. But I can’t stand those graphics anymore, I don’t think XP12 looks much better than XP11 (something I was expecting after ~6 years).

First time i hear the word "former" in your intro... hope everything's alright with your life.

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

Things couldn't be better! In three weeks im doing my first transatlantic flight on the A330!

in my thought, the ZIBO 737 was much more better in Version 1.XX. I dont know why, but actualy it wont be getting better. Just Feelings. BUT still muuuuuch more better, then the PMDG. xD

A bit harsh. You obviously approached this with a personal bias. Its freeware!! Comparing apples to oranges. I would say PMDG is light years behind based on what ZIBO brings to the market.....for free! I have both and use both MSFS and XP12.

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

I approached it from the perspective that people kept telling me under my PMDG videos, which always was something along the lines of "the ZIBO is FREE and a thousand times better than your PMDG trash, it does everything PMDG does and more". That's the expectations my viewers created and thus that's what I measured it against. But as I mention myself in the final summary at the end: For a freeware it's a stunning plane.

PMDG should update their 737 to be like this! But not exactly like it.

@animatedchristmascollector3754

Жыл бұрын

Meh

@peter-mv5gk

Жыл бұрын

well if you aks a real 737 pilot it doesnt seem so...but well your opinion is probably as important as his...lol

@animatedchristmascollector3754

Жыл бұрын

Flight dynamics wise totally but systems wise not at all

@davidwhite8495

Жыл бұрын

@animatedchristmascollector3754 as what he said some of the features that are in the Zibo are better than PMDG

@animatedchristmascollector3754

Жыл бұрын

@@davidwhite8495 Nah. He said and I agree with him that systems are simulated more deeply in the pmdg. Listen to the end of the video

You can't compare freeware to payware.

Yeah it’s good but not pmdg level let’s rephrase that There both great simulations of the 737. before this comment turns into ww3

@frankbyte

Жыл бұрын

Hey MSFS-fanboy, what would you say is better in the PMDG?

@tubeloobs

Жыл бұрын

@@frankbyte You're so salty :)

@animatedchristmascollector3754

Жыл бұрын

@@frankbyteask Emanuel xplane fanboy. Stop being so protective of you obsolete sim

@majoraviatior1611

Жыл бұрын

@@frankbyte if you knew how a 737 operates and what important systems are then you would know. However I highly doubt a xplane fanboy would even want to try out the pmdg. Emanuel said the same thing so how about you ask a real 737 pilot ey?

@majoraviatior1611

Жыл бұрын

@@frankbyte and why do you call me a fan boy for just stating my personal opinion? You give me real fan boy vibes

X-plane looks terrible lol

@tomstravels520

Жыл бұрын

Only because MSFS exists. Graphics are one thing but there are many other things that Xplane stands out in. Numerous RL pilots both commercial and private say XP has the better flight dynamics. And which one is permitted to be used by the FAA for training?

@VBHB83

Жыл бұрын

@@tomstravels520 my samsung phone can run it hahaha

@CornishCracker

Жыл бұрын

@@tomstravels520 MSFS will trump it eventually.

@Quotenwagnerianer

Жыл бұрын

@@tomstravels520 "Numerous RL pilots both commercial and private say XP has the better flight dynamics." They have also said that the difference is only marginal at this point. And since MSFS looks and performs thousand times better, I guess the fight is over.

@tomstravels520

Жыл бұрын

@@Quotenwagnerianer says who? What’s the difference at 37,000ft? We don’t all fly GA aircraft above our houses everyday

Why does this looks so ugly? I really hope this isn't X-Plane 12, if it is, then sorry but the zibo 737 mod looks extremely outdated

@A330Driver

Жыл бұрын

Doesn't it use the default 737 Cockpit?

@tommasodallas

Жыл бұрын

@@A330Driver yes, it uses the default 737 as a base

@aerofiles5044

Жыл бұрын

Cause it's X-Plane. You already knew the answer to your question.

@Sim737Pilot

Жыл бұрын

LOOKS, LOOKS, LOOKS. That's what the casual gamers always fall back to. No one can claim PMDG or ZIBO is the clear winner in all aspects, because BOTH are lacking in several areas.

Great video! Both the PMDG and the Zibo are quite good representations of the 737 for desktop simulators, it's amazing what we have access to these days. I recently picked-up the PMDG 737-900 for MSFS, and have been enjoying it a lot. The performance is excellent and it flies very nicely! I've been using XP for years and years, and it's kind of a fun change to fly such similar aircraft in two different simulators. For your first full flight, I think things went off quite well. No googling required like most of my first flights in an all-new aircraft and/or sim lol It's been said a hundred times, but, get BetterPushback, make sure the aircraft is updated (link: drive.google.com/drive/folders/1qo88h_CCQRRrAMhG3EabHSwa4Lzw-WHL - grab the latest file at the bottom and extract into the 737-800X folder), and get the Terrain Radar plugin and the aircraft will be complete and current. XP12 is still in its infancy, so not much attention is being paid to exacting standards at this point as big XP updates tend to throw devs through a loop. 12.06 is on its way with some major changes. Check out your keybindings, you can use the 3 or 4 keys (by default) to retract or extend the speedbrakes, and one notch extended is the armed position. The autopilot being in "high gain" is just an X-Plane-ism. a combination of over-done turbulence and over-eager autopilots getting better information faster than the real aircraft. All said, I think I've noticed the same differences between the Zibo and PMDG models. Ground handling is my biggest nitpick; the PMDG handles like it's a helium balloon, the Zibo feels like an airliner. Zibo does require too much thrust to maintain speed, but, it leans in the turns and heaves around like a 50-plus-ton airliner, and makes all the right sounds to boot. Sound-wise, I think it's kind of a wash. Zibo sound more natural, but the PMDG sounds cleaner and seems better balanced out of the box. Both have their issues.