One thing I think audiences should realize is that not everyone in this alt-history genre have aligning views. There is a very wide array of opinions. However, discrediting 2,000 years of multiple cultures’ monumental achievements is inviting some critique, & explanation as to why that is incorrect. Go read Fingerprints of the Gods, even Graham Hancock stays away from the Maya because (as someone who is very well read) he knows that they are responsible for their own monuments.

@Chris-from-AZ

2 ай бұрын

I don't like billy Carson!!! But I think he has a story backwards!! The Maya were here and I believe they traveled to Egypt and helped kick start that civilization!!

@jarodfurmanek3039

2 ай бұрын

Great video Luke. Would you be open to talking to Billy on a podcast so people could see the clash of ideas in real-time (instead of a bunch of response videos)? I think response videos are fine, but I'd much rather see a conversation between two people with opposing views. I'm glad you're back from the jungle. I hope you had a great time and I look forward to your upcoming videos.

@lukecaverns

2 ай бұрын

@@jarodfurmanek3039I’d be open to it - but there’s no way he would agree to it. He’s more suited to Egypt & I think he just kind of threw Mesoamerica in with his grand theory. He definitely has not been studying Mesoamerica for the last 15 years. Zero % chance he would ever debate me on it

@jarodfurmanek3039

2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the reply!@@lukecaverns

@smalltownblackouts

2 ай бұрын

I was worried you got lost in the rainforest

Carson almost had me fooled till I saw a podcast where he asked viewers to invest in his business. Then I later found out he charges people $8000 for coaching sessions...

@N8-O

Ай бұрын

Please tell me that video name. I need to show my friend who thinks Billy is the messiah

@lees9607

Ай бұрын

​@@N8-O😂😂

@cannabistalk4164

10 күн бұрын

Bet you vote trump and donate to this grifting sessions too lol

@N8-O

8 күн бұрын

@@cannabistalk4164 That’s a negative ghost rider. I have nothing in common with a billionaire

@cameronbechtold

6 күн бұрын

@@cannabistalk4164I bet you fly the Pedo 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈 flags and think Biden showering with his daughter until she was a teen is an example of good behaviour. Fun fact for you degenerate cretins: Joes crackhead son cheated on his wife by fucking his dead brothers wife, then cheated on her by impregnating a stripper, then denied her child support until a court mandated it.

Billy Carson can be entertaining to listen to, but I take it all with a grain of salt - there's something about him that doesn't quite sit right. He knows a lot of things but is clearly also not a stranger to wild speculation and claims of 'special knowledge'. Thanks Luke.

@jonassrensen4341

2 ай бұрын

Yeah I agree. Seen a bunch of his shit. He tells a good story. But there are defenitely something off with Billy Carson. He monetizes off of spinning the narative his way. And the way he presents himself as a rockstar. Yeah dude found a niche a exploited it.

@Mylesmitch

2 ай бұрын

Same, I feel like I'm constantly being pitched to by a salesman but it's interesting info

@calvincathey5027

Ай бұрын

Everyone in "History" who first spoke up and tried to bring light to Truth was Ostracized..and that's just human nature.. For All we don't Understand first thing people always do is Refuse to acknowledge and analyze was being said and Spread to the Masses its "Negative".. but hey Everyone is not going to get it and for those who don't its Perfectly fine..

@shm4302

Ай бұрын

He just makes up sht, his sounds very ignorant

@Pauliex33

16 күн бұрын

just the fact that he has all this "secret knowledge of ancient worlds" behind a paywall.. that tells me enough, it' a cult

This is why people like you are important Luke we need people specialised in this subject to debunk

This presentation RULES! Billy Carson has casued so much havoc and confusion on this topic and has built a cult around these beliefs that promise financial gain, healing, and spiritual awakenings. THANK YOU FOR THIS. I'll be covering it on my show today!

@cannabistalk4164

10 күн бұрын

Nah man we are just along for the ride. You trust this guy tho? Lol bro from grease?

@jacobcollinsworth6620

6 күн бұрын

How about y’all debate him in person and stop making these stupid fruitless “debunking” videos

Billy Carson is like Ancient Aliens, entertaining but not to be taken seriously

@Kayessee

2 ай бұрын

Exactly

@Leeside999

2 ай бұрын

Unfortunately, many people do.

@randy5894

2 ай бұрын

That's where he got his start isn't it

@airplanemxde3057

Ай бұрын

How is he entertaining

@lunychoonz4587

Ай бұрын

This is a super perfect description of Billy.

Glad you called him out! Thanks four content Luke 🤙🏽

You tell em Luke

@thepartyrodigo9228

4 күн бұрын

What is he saying haha 🤣 he’s not saying anything. He’s saying well it wasn’t exactly like that it’s an exaggeration? Umm 🤔 that’s subjective. They did it. Now what words you choose is up to you. Billy didn’t say all. He just speaking in general sense

I've never seen Carson in a debate. Like ever. I imagine that's completely by design.

@anthonymcvey9528

2 ай бұрын

My dad's his number one fan I told him the same thing, he told me I argue too much.

@mattbradley408

Ай бұрын

@@anthonymcvey9528Your dad isn’t very good at critical thinking

@miltonproductions3050

Ай бұрын

I never heard anyone challenge Billy yet!? I'm so waiting to see it👀 He said himself he'll debate anyone any time... I see videos like this debunking what he teaches not saying they wrong I just want to see one of these content creators sit down with him to discuss they're opinions.

@shm4302

Ай бұрын

that man is full of BS, no one should take him seriously

@jsmnzgb

Ай бұрын

@@miltonproductions3050 Challenge? What, for a duel?! What are you talking about? Why would anyone who actually knows about the topics Carson talks about talk to him? He's not an expert and as you can see in this video, he's not even knowledgable about the subjects he talks about!

I like Billy work a lot but he does come accross a little cultish with his hardcore beliefs. He doesn’t speak like a scientist he speaks like what he’s saying is absolutely fact.

i have a question for ya Luke. who is youre favorite person that has researched ancient america?! who is the person you look up to most when it comes to this?

@lukecaverns

2 ай бұрын

Well my mentor Dr. Ed Barnhart is a world class Mayanist (mapped over 1,000 ancient buildings in the jungles outside of Palenque). If you want a really good understanding of Mesoamerica, check out “Maya to Aztec” on Wondrium. It’s a video series written by Dr. Barnhart. Soooo good. You’ll start with the Olmecs & go until the fall of the Aztecs.

@huckwild6464

2 ай бұрын

@@lukecaverns i will def check this out! thanks!

@petro2893

2 ай бұрын

@@lukecaverns Any chance you two could do a pod together or get him on a pod like Julian Dorey or Danny Jones?

@stephen2634

22 күн бұрын

So what makes you credible ? Why are we supposed to believe you ? Seems like your envious talking like that I don’t hear him talking about you so !

@petejung3122

2 күн бұрын

​@@stephen2634 you must be kidding, No? I've listen to Billy and new immediately his full of shit. He makes up good stories but never backed these up with any evidence, you just have to believe his words, then you know he's a BS artist. Everyone with a bit of knowledge and a bit of sense should know that.

Yo Luke! ITS been a month man. Good to hear from ya 👍

I whole heartedly enjoy shows like Ancient Aliens and I recently was led to Billy Carson's (Karlson??) philosophies by a friend and thought it, too, mirrored Ancient Aliens. It seems like there are a lot of similarities between what he's selling and Ancient Astronaut Theorists. I've never heard any Ancient Astronaut Theorists reference him so far, or vice versa. I'm the type of person always looking out for new answers and some semblance of spirituality in a world that has so many religions, there can't be just one correct one. I WANT to believe that we have some sort of higher spirituality and that uncovering our past might reveal what that is. So I vet people when they make claims based in "fact" and tell you to look everything up. This Billy Carson dude always says "you can look that one up" when he references something he's used to leverage his position. Anyway, this is my 2nd stop on this vetting process and, to me, you seem rather poised and believable, especially in this relaxed atmosphere. I believe you made a good decision in changing format. I've never watched another video of yours, but if it was something different than how this video was presented, it might have taken longer to figure you out. Or is the greatest con the con where the con cons cons and non cons alike through relaxed acting? Nah man your Maya shit is right on haha. GG

@Jai.P91

5 күн бұрын

It’s karlson 😂 I like what u did there with ole William Karlson

Awesome video Luke

Billy carson does that alot like he get exclusive information

@DelRico2x

2 ай бұрын

🤣🤣

@lukecaverns

2 ай бұрын

Well… he says he does at-least

@tammyk2447

2 ай бұрын

He says he does that’s another thing I wonder about!🙄

@christopherwalker8311

2 ай бұрын

Yea he does it hes been doing it alot lately trying to sell his trips he is hit or miss the new guy he has on there isn't to bad

@ettan5812

2 ай бұрын

meaning he made it the fuck up

Hot damn missed your content my g

@lukecaverns

2 ай бұрын

I’ve been in the jungle, my friend! More videos than ever are in the pipeline now.

Big fan of you and Billy. You have both illuminated and informed my own personal journey. I think you both seem like passionate and genuine guys and I think we should all continue questioning things and digging deeper. No one's word should be taken as fact, but anything you hear someone say that interests you should inspire you to do your own digging and own research. I appreciate your content and curiosity Luke, god bless bud 🙌🏻

Buddy, where can I find that leather jacket?

@steveanton763

Ай бұрын

It's hard to find a good leather jacket that suits you. I bet if you got that exact jacket you would realise it doesn't fit you properly.

Was waiting for this video. Amazing video ❤

@ArmyofDrag343

21 күн бұрын

bot

Hey there Luke, i just recently became a of fan of yours after watching you on a few podcasts i frequent, also watched alot of your vids on your channel what attracted me to you is the facts that you love the Americas, im garifuna and boricua, so learning about watchu know from Central America to South America is absolutely amazing to me. With all that being said i just wanted to voice my opinion in relation to this video. And i mean no negativity at all, because i just like so many others who are following this movement you are apart of love the eye opening info people like billy matt Randall graham steven and many more bring to the forefront. I just believe you could have went about this a different way, because it has opened up a comment section of people to smear what someone with immense knowledge is saying, kind of down play a person who is revealing alot to the world at this time just as yourselves, character and honestly id hate to see someone doing this to you with the same platform. I believe you could have handled this in such a different way and at the same time i dont know if you tried Nd werent able to but i do feel as if you with your platform could have reached out to billy and his platform and had an open hour to 2 hour dicussion based on the information because alot of the information you both speak on is very similar and i see as if there are a few disagreements which would have made for a great debate and great learning experience for us your fans and his fans alike

@gbengaayoola4963

Ай бұрын

great insight

Billy carson just turns facts to support his theories.

@julianplentii3136

2 ай бұрын

this....

@calvincathey5027

2 ай бұрын

I would like to know how you know he turns facts...

@brooo512

Ай бұрын

Except his theories are well supported if u believe history is just what we know and are taught ur sleeping the winners write history not saying billy is right about everything but he def has a good foundation to his ideas and there is definitely a lot being hidden from us and it’s for control purposes we have seen this time and time again in history

@shm4302

Ай бұрын

what facts? the emerald tablet doesn't even exist , I dont know what drugs he takes but it's affecting his sanity...

I watched this guy on a few podcasts and came to the conclusion he is full of it.

@johne1460

2 ай бұрын

By "this guy" I am refering to Billy not Luke

The carved Steila in the 3D form reminds me of portable rock art , A 3D language with incorporated images and symbols - pictographs . It truly is genius getting the most information in the smaller space !

Great video

Great job my dude! Love your vids and your honesty! Keep up the good work sir

QQ. How is it known that the olmec played the ball game? Keep up the great content. Always interesting stuff

@calvincathey5027

2 ай бұрын

Research shows the Olmecs played ball games.. and also the Olmecs brought with them the trees that make rubber to make the balls..

What got my attention about Billy Carson is that in the same video I watched, where he claims to be an astrophysicist, he shows and reads from a book he has written about the emerald tablets. In both the book, and his narration of the book he makes a glaring mistake in calculating 10 x 100 years, equating it to 10,000 years. It was printed in his book, and he read the book online, while showing the printed page. 10 x 100 is 1000, not 10,000. I would hope an "Astrophysicist" could do simple math.

No Luke, it's a good thing you make videos like this call people out where they are not educated on this subjects. you are a voice of reason and a voice for the people of who dedicate years of study and who have heritage from this areas, he sounds like how the spaniards arrived over exaggerating. Good response and video!

I'm not taking Billy's side, but how many bodies in the pyramids have been tested? There's possibly thousands of pyramids and not all have the marker posts from my understanding. Maybe I'm wrong, but I can't imagine many pyramids have been drilled through.

@Ballentyne817

Ай бұрын

There is more pyramids in america than in egypt, the biggest pyramid in the world is in Bosnia

First I have to say great content! Second I have to say that I think all this ancient Alien even if it is exciting is inspired by many things one such source that make sense of the claims Carson does is the Daryll Anka clips about Bashar ie an ET communication past, present and future events. Those claims give vague discription of events from the times of 12,000 years ago tied to an Atlantian empire wedged between parts of Cuba and the Bahamas but destroyed by meteor showers and mega tsunamis. The ET talked about alternated time line by shifting consciousness and parallel universes it is fascinating stuff to listen to but many of the claims are to hard to verify but yeah I think Carson have been inspired by transcripts and material tied to Bashar. Well thanks again for a great channel!

Billy like he said. He does bring recipes... He will say if he is speculate. I'm autistic with this info. By the way your billy Carson tag is the only reason I clicked.😂

I am a Billy Carson fan. I just take people at face value. I appreciate you giving more info on the Maya. I think you can Billy should do a podcast together

What you talked about was interesting. You left out one thing. Why does the pyramids match the ones in Egypt? Can you answer that without saying it’s a coincidence?

@garrettmarshall1288

Ай бұрын

Pyramids are the most stable structure. Even children playing with blocks will end up stacking them in a pyramid, after other structural shapes fail. Eventually they will make a pyramid. If all humans are the same, or “equal,” then it follows that no matter where they are in the world they will develop pretty much the same fundamental mechanics; because they all have the same brains and methods of cognition, biologically speaking. And the pyramid don’t perfectly match the ones in Egypt. There are many pyramids and the one thing they mostly have in common ….is that their general shape is a pyramid.

@OD_30

4 күн бұрын

@@garrettmarshall1288 yeah cause its easy to stack huge rocks on top of each other perfect enough to be equal distance from bottom to top. then stand thousands of years through seasons. oh yeah all over the globe too

@garrettmarshall1288

4 күн бұрын

@@OD_30 no one said it was easy. But look at how long it took them to even conceive of how to do it and then actually do it in practice. They had plenty of time to figure it out. But whether it’s easy or not has nothing to do with it happening in different places. The only shape, of that size, they could have made that would last would be pyramids. Insisting that the people living there couldn’t do it, and that it must have been these OTHER people, is no different than claiming that, say, Egyptians couldn’t build the pyramids because it was too advanced and it MUST have been some other advanced peoples before them. Or aliens. Sound familiar? It’s the same racism that the Europeans engaged in when they claimed a magnificent structure must have been built by someone else and not the indigenous peoples of the area. There is zero actual evidence of the claims people are making. It’s all just a thought exercise and is not tied to any physical evidence. They just interpret “the facts” in a way that supports their biases. They use what we don’t know to inject their narratives. They exploit the gaps in archeological and anthropological record and ignore the reams of evidence/data that, in totality, shoot down their woo-woo hypotheses.

thanks for this. i’ve been frustrated by some of his accounts of ancient history that i know to be misguided. this cleanup was a satisfying watch.

I didn't know this subject was so touchy. Told my dad I believe in the Bible and God and he threw and ancient tablet at my head.

@lees9607

Ай бұрын

😂😂

Please contact Billy Carson and have a discussion with him. Also get a good moderator you both respect. I would pay to watch it.

I dont trust or believe everything anyone says. But i do respect & listen to everyone. Its up to me to seek the truth. But Billy has opened my mind a bit. Rather spend some time watching/listening to people like Mr. Billy. Than waste my time at church or watching tv fake news

Great video Luke - Thanks

Luke what's on your shirt?

@lukecaverns

2 ай бұрын

Spots on my clothes are usually nose bleed stains from flying 😵‍💫

@N8-O

Ай бұрын

@@lukecavernsthe fact that you replied to this is friggin awesome

this is the best critique since Kant bro! gg. As I philosopher I can rightfully say. Your argumentation holds water. I love it

The problem is, one side of this argument is "mainstream" recorded history, the other side would be considered a conspiracy. So, i guess it all comes down to if you trust who is supplying the information

@ettan5812

2 ай бұрын

No some things are just facts, like the bodies in the pyramids and the age of them. Really mate? Your that deep down the hole?

@Anyextee

2 ай бұрын

Just because it’s not “mainstream” doesn’t mean it’s all good. There are plenty of conscious wolves in sheep’s clothing lurking in the alternative history space pretending to be something they are not, often pointing the finger at the mainstream as if mainstream academia is all bad or all wrong when in fact those who point the finger often turn out to be guilty themselves.

@bonechillingtales123

2 ай бұрын

@@ettan5812 What bodies? Found in what pyramids?

@IronHayden

2 ай бұрын

@@bonechillingtales123 😂😂😂

Absolutely inspired by your research and explorations! May funding and support come to you abundantly in all your ventures. I never thought about the Maya or the civilizations/their extent. Wow would it ever be great to be able to see for just a day what the world looked like back them - incredible. How does this relate to Billy Carson - well he is full of what dogs leave on the lawn. He just spouts stuff off plain and simple - no matter what part of the world or whatever he is talking about. I recently heard him say Chaco Canyon is in I think South America. Its sad. You are a true researcher and scholar (simply no comparison to him) - keep it up. And yes - where facts need to be clarified keep it up. Simply amazing.

but you’re not really saying how Billy was wrong tho?

@MaxPowers2.0

16 күн бұрын

Then you’re not listening. You want to believe what you want to believe…

@chriss4432

14 күн бұрын

If you cant see when half truths are mixed with lies to mislead - Your mind still needs to mature - when I man says so much, it makes it pretty easy to find the lies.

Of course you’re going to receive hate from Billy Carson fans because he makes them feel good about their Conformation Bias’. It’s natural. But this is where Billy runs into buzz saws when he comes across people like you that ACTUALLY know about the culture and the things that he only has a cursory knowledge of. And this why people like you are extremely valuable for debates like this. Thank you for taking your valuable time to make this video. I pray that your life is blessed beyond measure brother.

I never heard of the dude. If I wanted to know more about the area I would probably ask Brien Foerster. He has spent more time on the ground there investigating than anyone else I know of on KZread. You should talk to him Luke, he's pretty smart and insightful. He has been places and seen things you don't know about. With your formal education on the subject I believe you would find it a fruitful collaboration. Keep up the good work!

great video!

Im glad to see people catching onto Billy's line of BS that he makes up as he goes along. I studied actual Maya and Aztec history decades ago waaaayy before all the Ancient Aleins misdirection and endless woo woo grifting began, and youre spot on with your explanation here Luke.

Reviewing movies about ancient history? Sign me up! :) Yes, yes, yes! :)

Billy Carson often speculates heavily without stating that he is doing so. He presents a wealth of knowledge and a lot of it is based in fact but a lot of it is also the wildest theories I’ve heard in this space. There is a lot to learn from him though. I hope to see you two have a conversation, and have you confront him on some of this.

@melvincarter9640

7 күн бұрын

A lot of what Billy Carson said is based in Facts ? Stop lying this dude does not present the truth. This man just exposed Billy Carson lies and you have the nerve to say a lot of it's is based in facts?

@gamingtyphoon8989

4 күн бұрын

That's not true. I've watched several of his videos and every time he makes sure to say that he is speculating or saying something that is not in the text he is referring to

@melvincarter9640

4 күн бұрын

@@gamingtyphoon8989 when you present your opinion as facts that means you are lying to people. Have you actually read the Surmerian texts? At no time was Enlil ever called YHWH so where did this lie come from? He say Enlil is the God of the Bible YHWH but the Surmerian texts never says that so defend this man and show where the texts say what he said.

@melvincarter9640

4 күн бұрын

@@gamingtyphoon8989 show where Thoth is mention in the Surmerian texts, Thoth is and Egyptian god not and Surmerian god? You people try to defend this liar and he continues to speak more lies in every video that he puts out. It's a long list of lies that Billy Carson has said that you have to defend. Speak up and let's go to the Surmerian texts and let's see if it say the same thing as Billy Carson says they says

Who is billy carson?

@shm4302

Ай бұрын

a lunatic

Hey Luke! Hope this comment sees you well. As someone who is a huge fan of yourself and Billy Carson, I want to say that you both have been pivotal to my awakening and the subsequent GREAT AWAKENING I see happening all over the world. I want to just give my 2cents here and this isn’t against you or Billy personally by trying to get some dialogue going as I personally quite dislike monologue rants as I believe the superior method of truth seeking (which we are all doing here I firmly believe) is through a live podcast 1-on-1 podcast. I’m gonna assume you have tried to reach out to Billy but if you haven’t then I’d recommend it. We should all be open to ideas and are compelled by the evidence and reasoning for it. I think there’s some things I personally think Billy does occasionally and that’s something others can call arrogance or even fraudery. I call it ‘getting high on your own supply’ something that can draw in extremely intelligent people and less academically inclined individuals. I don’t think Billy is a grifter, a fraud or a quack. I firmly believe he has arrived at this conclusions from a different starting point that most ancient history researchers. He is self made. He isn’t a scientist per se, but he does do his research. One thing I find extremely split over is his interpretation and use of the Emerald Tablets of Thoth. I have his compendium book here and it’s probably one of the most eye opening things I’ve ever read. It has become apparent to me that Billy firmly is compelled by the Doreal Translation of the Emerald Tablets, texts that we cannot prove even existed and Doreal himself has a sketchy history. I use this information to set up that when you’re in these consciousness/mindsets where you can get high on your own manifestation of positive energy. I believe Billy has made his mind up with his conclusions, of us. The world. Life. And I think many people agree with him on the grand macro top down picture for ancient civilisations and the philosophy behind it. However, on micro scale he can be loose with your justifications and he holds certain key information on a pedestal that supersedes other information that may compete with it. That may lead him to conclusions that are truth ADJACENT but not necessarily the truth. That being said you guys are both truth seekers and I think the next appropriate conclusion is a debate between you two personally in good faith on Julian Dorey, Danny Jones, Joe Rogan or Matt Beall if he’s down. I want to also say that I do understand why some people may give up on Billy but I never do. I still listen to him and can discern between which things are truth and truth adjacent but I think his intentions are pure. Matt LaCroix is a great researcher who is basically besties with Billy and he’s just done a podcast with Randall Carlson and I love Matt. So it’s important to remain open to seeing him as an academic opposition but a friend in this great age of disinformation into the great awakening

billy carson striked one of my videos about him on my ancient history channel 😂😅 no message no nothing, just straight up striked my video

I actually like the fact that there is more conversation to have about earth history and come to a conclusion

Teotihuacan was a winter campsite for the Field Workers who tended to the Tree of Life - Yggdrasil. The Mississippi River and its tributaries. The root ball of the tree was Mesoamerica. It was called the Religion of Thor. Tenochtitlan were thin Hispanics who became the Conquistadors. Tenochtitlan when Indians became too large and Nordic looking. Viking raids when Skraelingr Indians became too thin and unable to work.

Ive never been in this place carson discribed but his philosophical understanding I've experienced from Christianity but I'm not dogmatic about the church but the Bible of old. I've seen alliens myself. Carson's perspective n direction to forgive, kindness, help others, etc... its a universal positive actions to balance the high degree of the negativity.. ..

It’s crazy that people will believe the Bible but won’t accept any ancient texts that are older that came before it. The Ethiopian bible contains the book of Enoch and that Bible is older than the King James Bible that people follow religiously

I remember Billy Carson claiming the Olmecs were from Africa, he said that mainstream historians have covered up that fact. I don't want to discredit him for his opinions, but that's all they are.

Not a fan of anything Billy Carson says. His opinions are too far out for me….and I believe some crazy stuff.

@smalltownblackouts

2 ай бұрын

He feels like a CIA disinformation plant or he just makes it up as he goes

@Kayessee

2 ай бұрын

He sprinkles in a fact every once in a while to make it seem believable, but it's wildly inaccurate most of the time and completely BS some of the time. He uses almost no proof for 99% of the things he says.

@lewisholdstock8914

Ай бұрын

Billy just repeats lots of internet conspiracy bs rather than doing full research.

@Kayessee

Ай бұрын

@@lewisholdstock8914 exactly. He's so full of bs. Cites novels like they are fact.

@lewisholdstock8914

Ай бұрын

@@Kayessee Regurgitation was the word I was thinking

Just from what I've heard, I think I can guess what his claims about Egypt are. Metatron recently discussed them.

Your sources sir??

Billy Carson talks about 100 things with 10% accuracy, I can't take him seriously especially after seeing some of his own videos which are blatant sales pitches to sign up to his 'top secret' courses.

Here after the Joe Rogan pod doing my own research

Hilarious how anyone that claims he’s wrong. Which he could be by all means. Can’t really prove him wrong even if they really wanted to.

@melvincarter9640

7 күн бұрын

Where have you been many people have been proving Billy Carson wrong. Mike Jone have made a whole video about the lies that Billy Carson have told. The guy in Smart Christians podcast has made a video to show Billy Carson is lying. Stop lying for this con man

Get him on your channel…that would be a good way to really expose people.

Well done Luke..❤

Thank you for addressing this, Luke, so keep up the good work. Unfortunately I think Billy has trapped himself with the work he has done in the past so because KZread demands constant uploads, he is pushed to put out content without putting I as much attention to research as you have in this topic. I don't he does this on purpose, but spreading misinformation on this isn't helping anyone. Again, cheers.

@lukecaverns

2 ай бұрын

I definitely would not be surprised if he's built an echo chamber that is impossible to escape from now. Once you go too far down the rabbit hole, your followers don't allow you to change. That's a tough spot to be in.

@Mysticether

3 күн бұрын

What research has been done???

@Mysticether

3 күн бұрын

All I see is someone saying he's wrong and you can't do this and this isn't true but if you watch Billy he SHOWS specifically where he gets his info from. Show proof that the man is wrong is all I'm saying

Ive always thought that is was odd that child sacrifice was practiced globally despite these cultures having no connection to one another but this is a very pragmatic argument. Still how do you explain other oddities like skull elogation? That's a weird coincidence as well.

The red haired giants with elongated skulls (the builders of the megalithic era) taught us human sacrifice, cannibalism and the occult. Our leaders kept those traditions going later.

No one person can know everything. If you know, educate, forget debate. Your personal translation of knowledge gets lost in the back and forth. Use your platform to share what you know in an educational setting. Listening ears and reading eyes can discern

Billy and Jimmy should join forces. Whoo whoo all day long.

So which one is real Bible or Ethiopian Bible.

Give ‘em hell brother! Love seeing that same passionate brilliance from the back of the tour bus to the screen.

Billy Carson always talks with confidence and speaks in facts rather than opinions. Keep up the good work Luke.

Hey Luke, It seems to me you validate most of the other guys talking points.

@lukecaverns am I correct in remembering you saying something to the effect, the deeper they go into the jungle the more ancient the finds? If this is true (pure speculation coming here) I get this feeling some of these structures are going to predate the Egyptian Old Kingdom structures. And like someone else here mentioned, we might find it was the America's that influenced ancient Egypt.

@Valkyrie_71

2 ай бұрын

Good point.

I take everything that is taught as fact with a grain of salt.how many things taught as fact over the years,has been proven false?? Exactly.

he tells you to research, to not believe but research yourself

Billy Carson doesn’t seem himself lately, watched a video of his where he is laughing in at viewers calling them puppets. First an evil laugh then insult the viewer...Ego Check!

I kind of lost a litte respect when he turned off comments on his instagram

Billy will Claim he Doesn’t partake in Low Frequency Debates

He must have studied with The road to El Dorado animated movie

Luke … everything everyone knows is “wrong”. That includes you and me. All of us.

@magicM526

Ай бұрын

You are copeing 😂

@Messythegoat

Ай бұрын

@@magicM526it’s all theory at the end of the day.

@magicM526

Ай бұрын

@@Messythegoat I don't think you know what that word means

Put Billy back in his box...absolute grifter. Thank you for keeping it real!

The Maya were also great healers. Human sacrifice was most likely imported from across the sea, most likely.

Wow. This might be ypur best video yet. Billy is entertaining but i have heard so much from from Thoth the Atlantean that xomes from the Emerald Tablets.... the source of these tablets is some channeler from the early 1900's and is not archeological in nature.

@brentleighton6705

2 ай бұрын

Basically 90% of what Billy says are from these supposed hermetic texts that did not come from a legitimate source. Dont tell me some channeler in 1908 said thoth said something tens of thousands of years ago and expect me to take you seriously.

Why would you sacrifice anyone? What is the point, winning or losing a game? It happening more than once is barbaric.

What Billy Carson is saying is correct, they are ALL CONNECTED!!! This all happened.. it’s all wrote in clay

@shm4302

Ай бұрын

Where is this Emerald tablet he always talk about? he just talks and talks with no actual proof...

@Mysticether

3 күн бұрын

Instead of asking in the comments look it up

@GregoryJamesPetersen

Күн бұрын

"It's all wrote" said the man who's definitely correct

THE 10 lost tribes is in America omecs built every pyramid in America and there known as the tolls

Great video. Finally someone calling Billy out on his bullshit. I can't wait for future videos. Much Love

Each to their own I suppose , can’t dismiss the fact that the Christian religion has altered the bible for beneficial reasons,and got the masses in the world believing in it from Day 1.

I don't dislike Billy but he's like the Alex Jones of this world. Entertaining mostly. There needs to be more discussions/debates instead of presentations. I'd love to see a roundtable with Luke, Graham, Randall Carlson, Billy and others.

@skippy0188

2 ай бұрын

He's not at all like Alex Jones. Alex Jones predicted many future events and you may not like his delivery, but he is right on. Plus he's been around a long time!

@Valkyrie_71

2 ай бұрын

Well excluding Billy, thats pretty much the Cosmic summit. I mean they are presentations, but there is generally good natured banter and discussion over certian subjects. Not an intimate round table, it has grown to fill convention centers. Overall no one is subject to harsh criticism like you would see in a true debate where emotions get heated and people get defensive, no matter how out there their ideas are. I think its better this way. Your subject matter is of course reviewed and approved for presentation. It has to be relevant, not just any jack or Jill off the street with an alien theory can present.

You literally said on Julian Dorey podcast that the winning team of the ball game would be sacrificed… curious as to why you say different now.

@lukecaverns

2 ай бұрын

Learned more! I’ve spent a month collectively in Mexico/Central American since then

@slightlybelligerent3140

2 ай бұрын

Awesome. Keep up the great research.

You make great points and Billy was certainly shooting from the hip. However the pyramid of the sun is somewhat anomalous, in that the base is the same as the Khufu pyramid and half the height.

A video of you addressing *specific* claims by GH would he a great video! Afaik he doesn't claim that the Mayans didn't build anything, just that their legends show commonalities with other cultures' legends elsewhere and there might have been a common ancestor culture that connected them.

@lukecaverns

2 ай бұрын

I actually don’t mind Graham’s ideas. He is super well read, & like you said he doesn’t claim that they didn’t build their own structures-there’s too much evidence. BUT could the Maya have been inspired by an even earlier culture? Well, we know they were! The Americas & the old world are 100% culturally connected. All you have to do is look at the bow & arrow

@alexanderm8880

2 ай бұрын

@@lukecaverns I think a video showing the evidence for and against his theories would get you a ton of views, especially with all of the developments just in the last few months in the Amazon.

@MJIZZEL

2 ай бұрын

@@lukecavernsglad you mentioned that about the bow and arrow. I don’t see too many people who know about it. Just like with the linguistic similarities of the tunica tribe here in Louisiana, with the Egyptian dialect. Tunica tribe was found to have over 300 words that were pronounced exactly the same as ancient Egyptians and had the exact same meaning. Amazingly, Majority of the in common words they shared, had to do with trade. Have you read on or heard of anything about remains found in a cave in Central America that predates the accepted settlement of the Americas by tens of millennia?

It takes a lot of nonsense to get Luke to post a response video to set the facts straight. Thanks for sharing your knowledge based on actual research. I recently was converted from believing in lost Egyptian ancient high technology after finding more of the facts. That was a letdown because I wanted to believe but there isn’t enough physical proof.

@lukecaverns

2 ай бұрын

There are a lot of things I do agree with in the alt-ancient civ community & I love the vast majority of those guys. We're all friends. But Mesoamerica is undeniably Mesoamerican. Some things are just factual. Could they have similar influences to old world cultures in some way, though? Definitely.

The other thing that concerns me about Billy Carson is that I never hear him talk about other people in this space. You’ll always hear people like Graham Hancock, Randall Carlson, Ben Van Kerkwyk, Jimmy Corsetti, Luke Caverns, even Mathew Lacroix who works with Billy reference each others work, and the work of researchers that came before them. Billy seems to present himself and those in his immediate vicinity as the sole harbinger of the true story.

@OD_30

4 күн бұрын

that's bull he credits everyone all the time

I hope this video gets a million views. Nice work Luke.

@MaxPowers2.0

16 күн бұрын

It won’t, people like wild fantasy. The truth is boring…unfortunately

Awesome video, you rule

Mr.Carson does take Q&A from the floor at his lectures and events, I'm sure he would be able to explain His ideas to you that is just it, it's ALL Theory! And he says it Alot he speaks about what he believes having come to the conclusion after years of study. In fact he's in the position he's in because of the dedication he has put into looking at various patterns. Im not sure if this is what you want. Because I believe that you can learn from him and he could learn something from you I'm sure. That's how it works...

Finally someone who has an alt-view on the history that actually has a brain.

@lukecaverns

2 ай бұрын

Hahaha sometimes people are a bit TOO far out there. I'm as "alt" as I am orthodox. In the alt-community I would probably liken myself to UnchartedX, SnakeBros, Robert Schoch, Anyextee, etc. I'm slow to make a definitive statement, but quick to say theres a lot we can't explain.