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@brycetheice79084 ай бұрын
Most people don’t comprehend how crazy it was that Rome stayed relevant for as long as it did. Especially given all of the internal issues it had. We only ever talk abt the fall and how they couldn’t last forever, when no civilization lasts forever
@gffhvfhjvf4959
4 ай бұрын
Plus, you have to keep in mind that the fall of 450 concerned the Western roman empire, and that the Roman epmire technically survived until 1400 with the Eastern romans
@jaro551
4 ай бұрын
Your comment bothers me. Why do people always have to write generic sentences like this? "Most people" don't care and have no opportunity to learn about this whole topic. So using the term "most people" doesn't say much to begin with. So when we talk about people who are interested, we can defenitely say they 'comprehend' that is very unusual. That's why we talk about it to begin with... you do not have to state this all the time. It's also not strange that we would be very interested as to how such a great empire crumbles so we can learn from their mistakes and do better.
@jonathanprice7157
4 ай бұрын
Heh, I still can't even comprehend how that went on about achieving all that with even having thought about zero being a really useful counting character?!?
@JcoleMc
4 ай бұрын
China
@NixonThr336ix
4 ай бұрын
@@gffhvfhjvf4959 not really Byzantium was romes Greek colony if the US collapsed & Puerto Rico claimed to “Thee United States” would not make it so
@CB-so8xd4 ай бұрын
Rudyard, really like this casual style history series, hope you stick with it
@jepp.6847
3 ай бұрын
for real!
@heroes86894 ай бұрын
Rudyard's analysis into these topics is thought provoking; giving his perspective as a historian is just great for listening too. Easy to digest.
@kiroshi324 ай бұрын
Why is this all sounding so familiar.
@ManicMercurianAstrology
3 ай бұрын
Right? It's eerie. Are we talking about the distant past, or the present/future? 😆😅
@orboakin8074
2 ай бұрын
Because it literally happens to most civilizations on earth, even here in Africa.
@hardlo7146
Ай бұрын
Because he's doing it on purpose. He's trying to say the fall of Rome is equal to what's occurring to us right now, the sole fact he's using words like socialist or degeneracy should be a giveaway not to take these people seriously lol.
@waburg9573
15 күн бұрын
@@hardlo7146 real
@VTCivilStudent4 ай бұрын
Would love for you to do a WhatIfAltHist video on what terrain is most suitable for living in a population collapse. Without any knowledge, farming on a south facing slope seems like the easiest to defend and grow food from.
@josiahmorris57994 ай бұрын
I love autumn in Rome 🍁 🍃
@will_50534 ай бұрын
These podcasts episodes are always an insta watch for me thank you for the awesome content
@stephenlocilento6492 ай бұрын
Thank you for your insight. You do a great job of adding your analysis to history. More importantly, you make it clear when it’s you opinion vs historical fact.
@user-uf2df6zf5w4 ай бұрын
The crisis of the 3rd century did not start with the assassination of Commodus in 192, as claimed here. There was beef turmoil, after which the severance dynasty took power, which still ruled over a largely stabile empire into the 240s. The severans inflated the currency to pay the army (as they had no other legitimacy, not even being descendants of any Italians) and went bancrupt under Severus Alexander, after which the army killed him, and the empire gradually collapsed into permanent civil war over the next 20 years or so...
@sheldoniusRex
4 ай бұрын
Illegitimate emperors inflating the currency certainly sounds like something which belongs in the discussion of "crisis."
@verscarii3238
4 ай бұрын
@@sheldoniusRex President's too
@sheldoniusRex
4 ай бұрын
@@verscarii3238 yeah. That's the (unfortunate) joke.
@KaiHung-wv3ul
6 күн бұрын
@@sheldoniusRex Not to mention only one of the Severan Emperors DIDN'T get assassinated.
@SopaDeLengua3 ай бұрын
❤❤❤ my new favorite channel!
@PjPjPaul2 ай бұрын
This was amazing! Thank you for this
@joryiansmith4 ай бұрын
Fascinating deep dive jam-packed and unparalleled to any 1 hour documentary.
@teiuq4 ай бұрын
Absolutely enjoyed this! Thanks gentleman.
@user-mv1vm6il1h4 ай бұрын
I love these videos
@android69_Ай бұрын
these podcasts are great. would be sweet if you could dive into more detail / extend the duration.
@ethank.3201
18 күн бұрын
Ok 😂
@jmanjman26854 ай бұрын
I would love to see a video on your favorite emperors. Not exactly the best ones just the ones you find most interesting.
@FozzyBBear4 ай бұрын
Martin Armstrong has used metallurgical testing of Roman coin hoards to identify the annual health of the Roman economy by the amount of debasement of the coinage. He's used it to track when and where harvests succeeded and failed, the output of their mines, and the course of their wars. His book on Anthony and Cleopatra's civil war against Julius Caesar uniquely examines the conflict through a monetary lens.
@ryanbradley32934 ай бұрын
Is common ground dead? It seems like this stuff has taken over, which I’m fine with but I wish it was both
@yanx47974 ай бұрын
27:00 I think the word "hun" is related to the name "Hungary". The latter word is related to the Turkic word "on" which means ten, while the other has debated etymology.
@thaeus01matthaeus864 ай бұрын
hey man thanks to the video
@mikeg23063 ай бұрын
Rome fell because it ceased to be something worth fighting for. In the 5th century it wasn’t even the capital of the West. And the dictatorship and excessive taxation meant that ordinary citizens didn’t really have buy-in. Plus the mixing of cultures and genealogies meant that the concept of what it meant to be Roman became kinda blurred. The last emperor for example was the son of a half-barbarian general. Plus the Empire survived in the East so the Empire didn’t fall, just the Roman part of it did.
@megaman180826 күн бұрын
I prefer the 24 hour format that Dan Carlin use
@juandelgadillo26564 ай бұрын
way too short
@Maytrx4 ай бұрын
Where do you get your information for the predictions you make for the near future?
@kumel13034 ай бұрын
Can you please do "explaining french revolution" video?
@devoncook62754 ай бұрын
Can we get a video on the rise of Rome and what was good about it?
@TheWorldOnPaper
4 ай бұрын
I agree
@vandergrift38343 ай бұрын
Anyone got a name for the intro music? Please and Thank you
@effexon2 ай бұрын
@06:11 "Alans".... well nice to have tribe to people named Alan :D
@mikeg23063 ай бұрын
His facts are a little off. Gibbon marks the beginning of the decline at 180, but the “Crisis of the 3rd Century” is actually from the assassination of Alexander Severus is 235 to the rise of Aurelian and Diocletian in the 280’s.
@tonyfriendly44094 ай бұрын
It would still be weird in like 800 AD to look at the ruined aqueducts and the Arc de Truimph and think to yourself "how in the heck did they build that?"
@bevbevan6189
4 ай бұрын
The Arc de Triomphe was built by Napoleon, but otherwise Yes. And it’s still pretty amazing.
@sahilhossain82042 ай бұрын
Lore of Explaining the Fall of Rome momentum 100
@JustinianG4 ай бұрын
Can I be in one of your podcasts?
@julian98984 ай бұрын
What’s your third favorite era? The Ottomans in the 17th century?
@davidbacon92444 ай бұрын
Very good video, but I must make a small criticism: he doesn't talk about to population transition from Rome to the first period after the fall, wich are mislabeled "Dark ages". I mean, Rudyard compares the Hun empire with 10 mil against the 70 mil +- of Rome, but what happened to this people? It's estimated that Europe in 1000 AD was about 56 mil people. If the individual life of the fringes of empire improved, what happened to everyone? There's a huge death toll that I never see mentioned anywere when people talk about the fall of Rome.
@hardlo7146
Ай бұрын
I wouldn't try to learn much from this video, it's very clearly trying to push a biased conservative viewpoint of it to push their agenda. Plagues and the breakdown of society were the reason for the death tolls.
@breezyx9764 ай бұрын
Title correction: explaining the future of America
@jacksonklark61194 ай бұрын
Does anybod have a link to felipe fabre?
@bevbevan6189
4 ай бұрын
Philippe Fabry
@jacksonklark6119
4 ай бұрын
@@bevbevan6189 thx seems like I searched the wrong name
@slavhondacivicsi2 ай бұрын
Peace & safety = sudden destruction
@leonardticsay80464 ай бұрын
Looks like it’s that time of the day again.
@emZee19942 ай бұрын
11:19 that's incorrect They were the same people, they were descendedents of the Proto-Indo-Europeans (Yamnaya) and they had the same religion too. Jupiter and Zeus are the same Gods (Dyeus Pater)
@ZontarDow4 ай бұрын
I'm surprised no mention was made of the transition of Roman citizenship going from just the city if Rome to all of the Latins in Italy.
@ingold1470
3 ай бұрын
Claudius referenced this as a precedent for allowing Gauls into the Senate, according to Tacitus.
@heroes86894 ай бұрын
We need a multiple part series on this; complete history of Rome.
@martneb4 ай бұрын
Rome wasn't build in a day and it did not fall in one either.
@renatoe964818 күн бұрын
Id say biggest diference between Rome and China is China has a big core with major rivers that support a huge population so even with barbarian dinasties the majority is still Han and there is apool of chinese people to go back to a new vertion of China. A Rome with masive farmland in Italy would have had the Visigoth dinasty and a frankish one but still go back to Latin dynasties for the most part, like we see so mqny empires trying to be a new Rome. Religion was also a big part too though
@noahtylerpritchett26824 ай бұрын
A few less civil wars a few less coups in both eastern and western roman empire and they may of lasted a century or more.
@joeturner46663 ай бұрын
He said Pupienus!!!
@t.m.81284 ай бұрын
I have a wife, a little girl and a job. Man, it's hard to be productive with this kind of vídeo! Congrats
@Izadirad19953 ай бұрын
So wait what happened to common ground and the old white guy? I like this stuff but it almost feels more like his main channel. Also what about the fall of the Han and three kingdoms ?
@JcoleMc4 ай бұрын
Is that Whatifaltist ?
@josiahmorris5799
4 ай бұрын
No It’s Rudy
@Funkopotomis4 ай бұрын
does that mean bread was super expensive?
@loganstrait75034 ай бұрын
> compares discussing the fall of Rome to a Rorschach test > proceeds to attribute the fall of Rome to contemporary conservative talking points lol
@hardlo7146
Ай бұрын
It's what they do, they all try to claim our modern society = the fall of Rome, they do it to push their agendas.
@heroes86894 ай бұрын
Would love to have a video series of complete history of Rome.
@FozzyBBear
4 ай бұрын
Check out A.D. History Podcast here on KZread, they do 60-90 minute episodes covering each decade and have covered from 0 to 440 A.D. so far
@anthonywalker62683 ай бұрын
They tried to fight history. They lost. Unprecedented things stay unprecedented.
@buckaroobonzai29092 ай бұрын
This guy looks like dollar store Clark Kent.
@TexasTimeLord4 ай бұрын
No one, even the barbarians, Rome destroyed. They just wanted to run the place.
@Peak_Aussieman4 ай бұрын
BIG! STRONK! ROME!
@peter1mckinnon655Күн бұрын
Nice nice
@notsocrates95293 ай бұрын
49:45 lolwut
@MsPrgames4 ай бұрын
One small correction: eastern europe was inhabited by iranians, peoples like the alans and the sarmatians.
@yux.tn.36414 ай бұрын
so no more common ground?😢 (not that this isn't good)
@deinemamasagtgehheulen4 ай бұрын
We in germany call the middle ages sometimes also the golden age maybe not in an expansionalis but a spiritual way
@julian98983 ай бұрын
Rome in 450: A Mostly Peaceful Sack lol
@manwiththeredface78214 ай бұрын
"it was just a village, and then the Romans just through sheer force of will and intelligence..." And by kidnapping a bunch of women in the beginning from a neighbouring village, forcing them to be their wives. (How did Wardaddy say in the movie Fury? "Ideals are peaceful, history is violent.")
@tacituskilgore87474 ай бұрын
First!
@Rock.E.Bottom
4 ай бұрын
Second)
@ArchitectStrange4 ай бұрын
These people acting like Oversimplified doesn't exist
@buzter8135
4 ай бұрын
Doesn't that guy post like twice a year?
@henrykurniadi1805
4 ай бұрын
@@buzter8135now it is more like two years once
@tristanhodgson66763 ай бұрын
"Socialist" despite the fact the grain dole never went beyond the city of Rome and their bureaucracy was miniscule.
@nicholasmatthew9687
2 ай бұрын
Very modernist perspective.
@nialllewis87943 ай бұрын
Saying the modern state of Hungarys name stems from the Huns of east Asia is objectively false and takes a five minute google search to disprove.
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Most people don’t comprehend how crazy it was that Rome stayed relevant for as long as it did. Especially given all of the internal issues it had. We only ever talk abt the fall and how they couldn’t last forever, when no civilization lasts forever
@gffhvfhjvf4959
4 ай бұрын
Plus, you have to keep in mind that the fall of 450 concerned the Western roman empire, and that the Roman epmire technically survived until 1400 with the Eastern romans
@jaro551
4 ай бұрын
Your comment bothers me. Why do people always have to write generic sentences like this? "Most people" don't care and have no opportunity to learn about this whole topic. So using the term "most people" doesn't say much to begin with. So when we talk about people who are interested, we can defenitely say they 'comprehend' that is very unusual. That's why we talk about it to begin with... you do not have to state this all the time. It's also not strange that we would be very interested as to how such a great empire crumbles so we can learn from their mistakes and do better.
@jonathanprice7157
4 ай бұрын
Heh, I still can't even comprehend how that went on about achieving all that with even having thought about zero being a really useful counting character?!?
@JcoleMc
4 ай бұрын
China
@NixonThr336ix
4 ай бұрын
@@gffhvfhjvf4959 not really Byzantium was romes Greek colony if the US collapsed & Puerto Rico claimed to “Thee United States” would not make it so
Rudyard, really like this casual style history series, hope you stick with it
@jepp.6847
3 ай бұрын
for real!
Rudyard's analysis into these topics is thought provoking; giving his perspective as a historian is just great for listening too. Easy to digest.
Why is this all sounding so familiar.
@ManicMercurianAstrology
3 ай бұрын
Right? It's eerie. Are we talking about the distant past, or the present/future? 😆😅
@orboakin8074
2 ай бұрын
Because it literally happens to most civilizations on earth, even here in Africa.
@hardlo7146
Ай бұрын
Because he's doing it on purpose. He's trying to say the fall of Rome is equal to what's occurring to us right now, the sole fact he's using words like socialist or degeneracy should be a giveaway not to take these people seriously lol.
@waburg9573
15 күн бұрын
@@hardlo7146 real
Would love for you to do a WhatIfAltHist video on what terrain is most suitable for living in a population collapse. Without any knowledge, farming on a south facing slope seems like the easiest to defend and grow food from.
I love autumn in Rome 🍁 🍃
These podcasts episodes are always an insta watch for me thank you for the awesome content
Thank you for your insight. You do a great job of adding your analysis to history. More importantly, you make it clear when it’s you opinion vs historical fact.
The crisis of the 3rd century did not start with the assassination of Commodus in 192, as claimed here. There was beef turmoil, after which the severance dynasty took power, which still ruled over a largely stabile empire into the 240s. The severans inflated the currency to pay the army (as they had no other legitimacy, not even being descendants of any Italians) and went bancrupt under Severus Alexander, after which the army killed him, and the empire gradually collapsed into permanent civil war over the next 20 years or so...
@sheldoniusRex
4 ай бұрын
Illegitimate emperors inflating the currency certainly sounds like something which belongs in the discussion of "crisis."
@verscarii3238
4 ай бұрын
@@sheldoniusRex President's too
@sheldoniusRex
4 ай бұрын
@@verscarii3238 yeah. That's the (unfortunate) joke.
@KaiHung-wv3ul
6 күн бұрын
@@sheldoniusRex Not to mention only one of the Severan Emperors DIDN'T get assassinated.
❤❤❤ my new favorite channel!
This was amazing! Thank you for this
Fascinating deep dive jam-packed and unparalleled to any 1 hour documentary.
Absolutely enjoyed this! Thanks gentleman.
I love these videos
these podcasts are great. would be sweet if you could dive into more detail / extend the duration.
@ethank.3201
18 күн бұрын
Ok 😂
I would love to see a video on your favorite emperors. Not exactly the best ones just the ones you find most interesting.
Martin Armstrong has used metallurgical testing of Roman coin hoards to identify the annual health of the Roman economy by the amount of debasement of the coinage. He's used it to track when and where harvests succeeded and failed, the output of their mines, and the course of their wars. His book on Anthony and Cleopatra's civil war against Julius Caesar uniquely examines the conflict through a monetary lens.
Is common ground dead? It seems like this stuff has taken over, which I’m fine with but I wish it was both
27:00 I think the word "hun" is related to the name "Hungary". The latter word is related to the Turkic word "on" which means ten, while the other has debated etymology.
hey man thanks to the video
Rome fell because it ceased to be something worth fighting for. In the 5th century it wasn’t even the capital of the West. And the dictatorship and excessive taxation meant that ordinary citizens didn’t really have buy-in. Plus the mixing of cultures and genealogies meant that the concept of what it meant to be Roman became kinda blurred. The last emperor for example was the son of a half-barbarian general. Plus the Empire survived in the East so the Empire didn’t fall, just the Roman part of it did.
I prefer the 24 hour format that Dan Carlin use
way too short
Where do you get your information for the predictions you make for the near future?
Can you please do "explaining french revolution" video?
Can we get a video on the rise of Rome and what was good about it?
@TheWorldOnPaper
4 ай бұрын
I agree
Anyone got a name for the intro music? Please and Thank you
@06:11 "Alans".... well nice to have tribe to people named Alan :D
His facts are a little off. Gibbon marks the beginning of the decline at 180, but the “Crisis of the 3rd Century” is actually from the assassination of Alexander Severus is 235 to the rise of Aurelian and Diocletian in the 280’s.
It would still be weird in like 800 AD to look at the ruined aqueducts and the Arc de Truimph and think to yourself "how in the heck did they build that?"
@bevbevan6189
4 ай бұрын
The Arc de Triomphe was built by Napoleon, but otherwise Yes. And it’s still pretty amazing.
Lore of Explaining the Fall of Rome momentum 100
Can I be in one of your podcasts?
What’s your third favorite era? The Ottomans in the 17th century?
Very good video, but I must make a small criticism: he doesn't talk about to population transition from Rome to the first period after the fall, wich are mislabeled "Dark ages". I mean, Rudyard compares the Hun empire with 10 mil against the 70 mil +- of Rome, but what happened to this people? It's estimated that Europe in 1000 AD was about 56 mil people. If the individual life of the fringes of empire improved, what happened to everyone? There's a huge death toll that I never see mentioned anywere when people talk about the fall of Rome.
@hardlo7146
Ай бұрын
I wouldn't try to learn much from this video, it's very clearly trying to push a biased conservative viewpoint of it to push their agenda. Plagues and the breakdown of society were the reason for the death tolls.
Title correction: explaining the future of America
Does anybod have a link to felipe fabre?
@bevbevan6189
4 ай бұрын
Philippe Fabry
@jacksonklark6119
4 ай бұрын
@@bevbevan6189 thx seems like I searched the wrong name
Peace & safety = sudden destruction
Looks like it’s that time of the day again.
11:19 that's incorrect They were the same people, they were descendedents of the Proto-Indo-Europeans (Yamnaya) and they had the same religion too. Jupiter and Zeus are the same Gods (Dyeus Pater)
I'm surprised no mention was made of the transition of Roman citizenship going from just the city if Rome to all of the Latins in Italy.
@ingold1470
3 ай бұрын
Claudius referenced this as a precedent for allowing Gauls into the Senate, according to Tacitus.
We need a multiple part series on this; complete history of Rome.
Rome wasn't build in a day and it did not fall in one either.
Id say biggest diference between Rome and China is China has a big core with major rivers that support a huge population so even with barbarian dinasties the majority is still Han and there is apool of chinese people to go back to a new vertion of China. A Rome with masive farmland in Italy would have had the Visigoth dinasty and a frankish one but still go back to Latin dynasties for the most part, like we see so mqny empires trying to be a new Rome. Religion was also a big part too though
A few less civil wars a few less coups in both eastern and western roman empire and they may of lasted a century or more.
He said Pupienus!!!
I have a wife, a little girl and a job. Man, it's hard to be productive with this kind of vídeo! Congrats
So wait what happened to common ground and the old white guy? I like this stuff but it almost feels more like his main channel. Also what about the fall of the Han and three kingdoms ?
Is that Whatifaltist ?
@josiahmorris5799
4 ай бұрын
No It’s Rudy
does that mean bread was super expensive?
> compares discussing the fall of Rome to a Rorschach test > proceeds to attribute the fall of Rome to contemporary conservative talking points lol
@hardlo7146
Ай бұрын
It's what they do, they all try to claim our modern society = the fall of Rome, they do it to push their agendas.
Would love to have a video series of complete history of Rome.
@FozzyBBear
4 ай бұрын
Check out A.D. History Podcast here on KZread, they do 60-90 minute episodes covering each decade and have covered from 0 to 440 A.D. so far
They tried to fight history. They lost. Unprecedented things stay unprecedented.
This guy looks like dollar store Clark Kent.
No one, even the barbarians, Rome destroyed. They just wanted to run the place.
BIG! STRONK! ROME!
Nice nice
49:45 lolwut
One small correction: eastern europe was inhabited by iranians, peoples like the alans and the sarmatians.
so no more common ground?😢 (not that this isn't good)
We in germany call the middle ages sometimes also the golden age maybe not in an expansionalis but a spiritual way
Rome in 450: A Mostly Peaceful Sack lol
"it was just a village, and then the Romans just through sheer force of will and intelligence..." And by kidnapping a bunch of women in the beginning from a neighbouring village, forcing them to be their wives. (How did Wardaddy say in the movie Fury? "Ideals are peaceful, history is violent.")
First!
@Rock.E.Bottom
4 ай бұрын
Second)
These people acting like Oversimplified doesn't exist
@buzter8135
4 ай бұрын
Doesn't that guy post like twice a year?
@henrykurniadi1805
4 ай бұрын
@@buzter8135now it is more like two years once
"Socialist" despite the fact the grain dole never went beyond the city of Rome and their bureaucracy was miniscule.
@nicholasmatthew9687
2 ай бұрын
Very modernist perspective.
Saying the modern state of Hungarys name stems from the Huns of east Asia is objectively false and takes a five minute google search to disprove.
Whole bunch of propaganda, no substance.
Bunch of bs from whatifalthist 😂
@whatifalthis