When I was a child, I hated everything I drew. I could not represent objects as my peers could. This saddened me greatly. My Mother, in her sweetness, would say "your art isn't bad, it just looks like no one else's." Apparently, according to Deleuze, my Mother was based af 🤔💯💯💯

@xeixi3789

2 жыл бұрын

Redpilled mama

@brennanchaudhry8925

2 жыл бұрын

You had a good mom :)

@xeixi3789

2 жыл бұрын

@あえういお Wtf based pfp 😳😳

@user-qq5by3vx4w

2 жыл бұрын

Your mom was based, redpilled and chad-like.

@vvatsindicate

2 жыл бұрын

Or maybe you're mom was lying to you to make you feel better. Same way post modern artists lie to themselves about how their shit art is actually as good as traditional "representational" art.

Finally, Deleuze was explained to me. I don't have to kill anyone now

@romanticplacebo3693

2 жыл бұрын

Are you a BwO yet?

@crazysheepfilms

2 жыл бұрын

Amazing, kindly explain what a body without organs is plz

@PunishedFelix

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazysheepfilms look behind you

@daylearmstrong4447

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazysheepfilms it is an egg

@romanticplacebo3693

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazysheepfilms Start here kzread.info/dash/bejne/m6amsMWLgKrYaLQ.html

"This is why Deleuzians love potatoes" is not a sentence I thought I'd be hearing today.

@adaptercrash

Жыл бұрын

Farmer gone philosopher duher, I had one of those

Kind of funny that JBP’s book is called “Maps of Meaning,” when his whole deal is that there’s only one map, the one charted by Jung, not that new map”s” can be created, a la his archnemesis, the postmodern neomarxist Deleuze

@crism8868

2 жыл бұрын

Virgin Jordan Peterson: "noo, there's only one map, the Jungian map, you can't create new maps." Chad Deleuze: "haha drum machines go brrr"

@SkodaUFOInternational

Жыл бұрын

Came here for this comment.

Another good illustration is what happened when the first synthesizers were developed. Nowadays, synthesizers are mostly played with a keyboard, like a piano. The folks who developed the first synthesizers tried to resist this. They not only made unique sounds, they had unique interfaces. Playing the earliest synthesizers was unlike playing any other kind of instrument. The inventors of these instruments were thinking about them rhizomatically and trying to resist those who wanted to treat them arborescently.

@spiritofmodernity9679

2 жыл бұрын

TMM is deleuzian?

@AudioPervert1

2 жыл бұрын

a pathetic example - that too Giles Deleuze never meant - You see, even if you use a old crude drum machine from the 80s or a new machine from 2022 ... the rules remains the same. the same grid. Which also apply to a real drummer playing a physical drum kit... You cannot step outside the time, tempo and subdivisions = grid! Your basically peddling bullshit without using a drum machine, now or from back then.

@spiritofmodernity9679

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 This is just the basic problem with every deleuzian ontological schema though.

@Lleq3

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 deep breaths, its gonna be ok

@Morinaka25

2 жыл бұрын

That's an interesting example. The east vs. west coast philosophy of synths, moog vs. buchla. Moog won out commercially because synths were super expensive, so generally only musicians with a lot of cash to spare were buying them, and the keyboard model fit into existing western scales and gear set ups; moog also had better salespeople. There's a really cool documentary called "I Dream of Wires" that goes over this era, interviews with the people on both sides.

This was absolutely eye opening. Deleuze is extremely difficult to understand and you managed to make aspect of him really, really easy to understand and follow. Thank you for this and I must admit that I hope that you make more Deleuze videos in future!

@AudioPervert1

2 жыл бұрын

a pathetic example - that too Giles Deleuze never meant - You see, even if you use a old crude drum machine from the 80s or a new machine from 2022 ... the rules remains the same. the same grid. Which also apply to a real drummer playing a physical drum kit... You cannot step outside the time, tempo and subdivisions = grid! Your basically peddling bullshit without using a drum machine, now or from back then.

@hhdhpublic

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 Into how many comments are you gonna copy paste this, exactly?

@jonaseggen2230

2 жыл бұрын

Just commenthed because name, because I am very into bunnies. But sort of relevant to this video, I'm probably more interested in all the different representations of them in literature, art, comics, etc... Tilt your screen on the side to see ascii bunneh =:x

@stavrostziounis4756

2 жыл бұрын

Great comment!

@7kurisu

2 жыл бұрын

Think about it. The root of leftist organising is socialism. Everything we do to resist the capitalist era builds upon the Paris commune. Marxist Leninism achieved great workers states in Russia, China, the DPRK etc. Another branch is anarchism, which fought Franco in Spain. Each new branch can be said to be a rhizome after a fashion, as they must each adapt to varying material and cultural conditions. Making new ideas out of what is available to them, like juche in DPRK, Christian liberation in Latin America, socialism with Chinese characteristics in the PRC. Then we have extinction rebellion, a largely white, middle class movement coordinated by academics in London through mainly top down communication through an app, demanding that we get arrested to fill the jails of the western world. Their organisation is in bed with the very corporations and liberal parties who are causing climate change. This is an example of a very poor representation of leftists, led by the liberal wing of capitalism.

Andrei Tarkovsky’s film theory in Sculpting in Time dealt with a lot of this stuff, especially with the Suicide example. He wanted to see what it was that film could do that no other medium could. Hence films like Mirror.

@bygmesterfinnegan6938

8 ай бұрын

There is no connection

@canti7951

6 ай бұрын

Ig in video games, nier automata is an example

@MattWrafter

6 ай бұрын

@@canti7951 and video game people are constantly failing at this. They engage in never-ending discourse about whether or not video games are "art", and then try to prove that they ARE art by...making them look like other art forms. So you get The Last Of Us being held up as an example of 'art" in viceo games, precisely because it looks like a film, rather than asking "what can video games DO?" and pushing the medium forward into new uncharted territory.

@Ddvw123abc0

6 ай бұрын

@@MattWrafter @canti7951 Yes! Thats always my go to example as well, Nier Automata is a stand out in the medium.

@soleil2947

24 күн бұрын

@@MattWrafter What you're looking for is Papers, Please

never expected to see a philosophical analysis of Suicide's music. much respect!

@ayoubsbai6339

2 жыл бұрын

Ahhh yes, How I love Rachel Goswell :)

@jamesrichie7844

2 жыл бұрын

Jessie Prinz has a really good article about punk rock aesthetics. It might be worth checking out if you are interested.

@featherycoffee1401

2 жыл бұрын

I think he's referenced Suicide(the band lol) multiple times on this channel

@arhaanaslam5905

Жыл бұрын

rachel goswell pfp grouper username on a video explaining deluze good god are we miserable

@JJONNYREPP

8 ай бұрын

Explaining Deleuze with drum machines 1939pm 8.9.23 take for instance Freud creating the nazi party.

We read The Thousand Plateaus as part of a course when studying architecture. The concept of rhizom applied to a modern way of thinking about cities where everything doesn't grow out of a center but is an interconnected network. The text itself was unreadable to me, but the concept was very applicable.

@bikingcopenhagen4068

2 жыл бұрын

this is how I feel about modern architecture...unreadable,meaningless and cruel...but otherwise very applicable :)

@PunishedFelix

2 жыл бұрын

Woah... Interesting. Do they talk about faciality? That chapter talks quite a bit about architecture but i dont know much about it.

@xeroeddie

2 жыл бұрын

@@PunishedFelix It's been many years so I honestly don't remember. Deleuze's concepts is a way of categorising different systems or paradigms so it can be applied to many different things, like art, architecture or language. The way we used the concept of rhizom was in regards to how cities are structured, not so much the architecture itself. A helpful analogy could be different kinds of eggs. Medieval cities takes the form of a cross section of a boiled egg where the yolk is the castle, the egg white are the houses around it and the shell is the city wall. The industrial city would be more akin to a fried egg with the yolk as the city center and the white as the sprawling suburban area around it. Both types are build around a hierarchy or tree structure with a center where everything revolves around. A rhizomatic city is more like scrambled eggs with no apparent center. It opens up different possibilities for getting needs to people and could solve some infrastructural problems that are inherent to more traditional cities. I didn't go the city planning route in my studies so I didn't explore it further, but it was interesting to think about.

@thetruth4654

2 жыл бұрын

Cities are not ideal for the human condition in my opinion. Too me there devoid of beauty in many cases, it`s too many people so most connections made are only made suited to fit superficial needs. But i have a very modernist view on the concept of cities.

@sammosaurusrex

2 жыл бұрын

@The Truth Cities have withstood 6000 years of testing, and people still live in them. I think they suit the human condition just fine. People have been saying cities make people greedy, isolated, and superficial almost since they first began, though, so you’re not alone in your opinion

I just started reading Anti-Oedipus, and this video shortly after was suggested to me. I'm glad my personal CIA agent is looking out for me and giving me good suggestions like this!

@LuisAldamiz

Жыл бұрын

In old Landownerist times it was a guardian angel, now it late Capitalist ones it's your friendly personal CIA attaché, probably an algorithm or some underemployed mod working in the worst possible conditions in Warsaw.

@johnnyxmusic

8 ай бұрын

It’s all part of the programming. Your instructions are being slowly encoded.

Shout out to Tendies123 for supporting this guy for so long

this is a certified hood classic

@derekhenriquez5740

9 ай бұрын

True

@yves-marc

8 ай бұрын

lol fr

@onehappiness

8 ай бұрын

Certified bullshit too.

@yuricamposklink1400

8 ай бұрын

How come?

@derekhenriquez5740

7 ай бұрын

@@yuricamposklink1400 It does an amazing job of making Deleuze's philosophy digestible for anyone unfamiliar with it. It also calls for individuals to be innovative and authentic in their attempt at art, whatever that may be instead of relying on the conventional paths, imo.

“We’re tired of trees. We should stop believing in trees, roots, and radicles. They’ve made us suffer too much.” Well of course! I was thinking the same thing!

I'm a drummer and when I first started making electronic music I had this same mentality. The drums on the track must represent actual drums: One kick, one snare, one hihat, etc. Then I had the realization, why? I could literally have dozens of "drums" all playing different patterns. It blew my mind.

@LyubomirIko

2 жыл бұрын

Wondering if this is the reasons why the biggest frontiers of electronic music even today aren't usually with classical or other kind of traditional music background...

@Stret173

2 жыл бұрын

@@LyubomirIko heh, maybe, maybe!

@sameerdodger

Жыл бұрын

@@LyubomirIko The 'classical' way of thinking about music, especially theory based is dead. Of course a lot of people use it as a 'guideline', and if you're into traditional music you need it. I mean, as we were told by our lecturers - the more you actually learn about theory and become averse in it, it's more about learning to break the rules you made for yourself in the first place. One of them told me that if he wanted to be truly creative in music, he should not have learnt it at all - in fact he always joked that all musicians that play instruments wish they played drums instead.

@johnnyxmusic

8 ай бұрын

I’m just getting into drumming now… And I think there’s a lot to be said for learning rock and jazz patterns… But at the same time, I wonder why it has to be that way. Frontiers remain…

It's fascinating that they use the drum machine as an example of representation in this video. Interesting enough, the drum set itself was also a representation. When it was first conceived, it was a representation of a rhythm section of multiple players playing different percussion instruments. It brought those instruments under the control of 1 person to mimic the multiple players. Soon through the birth of jazz blues and later rock and roll, the drum set no longer became representational. Groove was born. A new thing. A new concept. A new paradigm. Groove is the subtleties between and around the notes. It falls out by default with a single player. This is something that was not a property or product of orchstrated percussion sections.

I bet Deleuze would've dropped some bangers if he had access to a drumset

@AudioPervert1

2 жыл бұрын

a pathetic example - that too Giles Deleuze never meant - You see, even if you use a old crude drum machine from the 80s or a new machine from 2022 ... the rules remains the same. the same grid. Which also apply to a real drummer playing a physical drum kit... You cannot step outside the time, tempo and subdivisions = grid! Your basically peddling bullshit without using a drum machine, now or from back then.

@LyubomirIko

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 I don't understand what you meant? In that case - how someone can innovate in music, or this is the point of Deleuze - innovations are impossible?

@Victoriens

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 r u ok?

@PunishedFelix

2 жыл бұрын

Guattari ran pirate radio from the late 70s thru the 80s. We can only hope that GuattBeats are canon.

@matiasocarez

2 жыл бұрын

@@AudioPervert1 a real drummer can step outside the grid if he wants to, what are you talking about?

I'm broke and unemployed. But I just bought (against my "better judgment") How to Philosophize with a Hammer and Sickle after watching this video. I've been watching this channel for years and have always deeply appreciated how it has taught me concepts I either would have never known, or worse, would have mistakenly thought I already understood based on my college introductory courses to philosophy. I'm not sure what the point of this comment is. Perhaps to get kudos from random internet strangers or maybe even the CCK philosopher, helping me to feel good about the purchase I just made, or perhaps - as I'd rather think, just a means to verbally express my gratitude for this channel and its producer. I think probably it's in large part an attempt to reach across the void created by the culture of the atomized individual inflicted on us all by capitalism in a failed attempt to connect to people who recognize the value in (and necessity of) trying to comprehend these philosophical ideas before we meet the actual void. Or maybe I'm just drunk, exhausted, and feeling like I'm already past the end of my rope, so why not by a book written by someone who has already entertained and enlightened me in a visual medium? I don't know. Great video, as always. Thanks.

@isaacionescu3559

2 жыл бұрын

drop me a Revolut or PayPal in the DMs, I can spare just a little change

@LuisAldamiz

Жыл бұрын

Kudos from another broke and unemployed "nobody" who also loves this channel.

@samiserhan6296

8 ай бұрын

reaching back out across the void here, even if a year late, to wish you well. I hope your financial situation has improved. Hang in there. Trying to make sense and confront our predicament by way of philosophy is one of the best things we can hope to do in this quick, powerless existence of ours.

@WUDN-WatchUDontNeed

7 ай бұрын

How are you now, mate? Hope everything worked out fine. And if not everything, at least something. Let us know Kudos man!

Mark Fisher commented on how Deleuzian thought was constantly infected with "Bergsonian vitalism" which always held out a kind of life affirming creativity that could blossom into individuals that adapted too well to their environment at the expense of aspiring to collectivity. For me, it was the concept of Lines of Flight to an Outside that challenged the subjective experience that made their Rhizomes so mesmerizing...

@aeloh6921

2 жыл бұрын

I really want to understand your comment but I don't. Care to point me in the right direction? A book to read? A video to watch?

@romanticplacebo3693

2 жыл бұрын

@@aeloh6921 Looks like they removed my link to Fisher's K-Punk blog...

@JebeckyGranjola

2 жыл бұрын

@Aeloh did you follow this video? If so, I'll use these terms. Bergson gave primary consideration to the effect of matter on consciousness. Fisher is criticising this as leading to priority of the individual subject- as being a quality of "representational" thinking. For Deleuze it's not just a binary between "arborescent" and "rhizomatic." He recognized that everything is in a constant state of movement and change, a flux or flow. A representation is a block in the flow. When there is a block there is also a diversion. That is what a Line of Flight is; the connections between them are the Rhisome. Now I would say Fisher was wrong because it was from Bergson's physics that Deleuze developed these ideas, and of experience as a flow "captured" by consciousness. In Bergson this is primary only because that is our experience, but he makes it clear the two are operating in a system and only function together.

@Noiryaguara

2 жыл бұрын

@@JebeckyGranjola Thanks a lot, now I understand better @Romantic Placebo's comment, which I found very interesting.

@romanticplacebo3693

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxwelllegere1483 I think he raises good points, specifically in how he locates our present day situation as an extension of Deleuze without the BwO. You say cynical, I say punk

It seems i've been adopting Deleuzian thinking unconciously and intuitively! Very cool

Thinking about this from a computer science perspective this is exactly the paradigm between object-oriented programming and procedural programming. OOP is representational and arborescent; creating data types to represent things; existing on a hierarchy tree. Procedural programming is “what can my code do?”

@Bestmann3n

2 жыл бұрын

hi-five! It's interesting to note that so often the problems you end up having to solve in OOP are problems about keeping things OOP.

@allegoricalstatue

2 жыл бұрын

Totally. As soon as you start using classes and methods you get locked into those patterns instead of being able to dynamically pass data around and process it the way each specific case actually requires. Then you end up having to to keep adding functionality into your classes and methods until they become completely bloated for half of the code that actually needs to use them. Of course there are lots of upsides too but those are some obvious downsides.

Some republican politician wants to ban discussion of Rhizomes, along with whatever "Body Without Organs" and "Nomadic War Machine" are, I'm guessing they're all metal bands.

This is something I've thought about although I never learned about this guy. I thought about it first when thinking about video games and how a lot of them were and still are tied down in ways from trying to replicate tabletop games instead of exploring the unique qualities of the medium. This is changing overtime ofcourse with new generations growing up with video games being more impactful on new developers than tabletop games but a lot of games are still stamped with that past either directly or indirectly by emulating games that attempted to emulate that. This isn't exactly a bad thing, just like you can use a drum kit in place of a drummer you can use a video game in place of a table top experience but you often lose the most unique parts of both mediums by doing so.

@McDonaldsCalifornia

2 жыл бұрын

I was recently thinking about this while playing Horizon zero dawn. It's a classic open world action adventure in many ways but it really captured me with the way it presents the world and some of the story through gameplay/exploration. You could call it ludonarrative consonance I guess. Point is it's something that would fall flat if the game tried to immitate a movie instead (which many games do)

@LuisAldamiz

Жыл бұрын

Good example.

@LuisAldamiz

Жыл бұрын

@@McDonaldsCalifornia - Story-like games are book-like, not really that innovative IMO.

as an experimental musician who is interested in rhythm and having be deeply touched by deleuze while studying art, this hits home. my er1 is also thankful (fm synthesis is dialectics and i won't elaborate)

Nothing to say really. Just watching and enjoying your work. Consider this 'engagement' lol

Always a meaningful group of ideas for neurodivergent people to reflect on. When we mask to behave like neurotypicals we're trying to imitate an ideal of what a person should be like (arborescent). When we try exploring our neurodivergence on its own terms we're being rhizomatic and novel and free.

@wiegraf9009

2 жыл бұрын

@Classic Max Yes that's certainly true, although I'm not sure the relevant thinking among neurotypicals in that regard is consistently arborescent, it might just be less frequently rhizomatic.

@LuisAldamiz

Жыл бұрын

I don't use "neurotypical" but "normaloid" and treat it as a mental disease. Also I suspect that "neurodivergent" is not a good enough term, "free thinker" is probably better.

@wolfgangdevries127

8 ай бұрын

Yes, it's fun making up pseudo words which are supposed to sound "interesting".

@wiegraf9009

8 ай бұрын

@@wolfgangdevries127 They aren't "made up" words they come from biology 🙄

@wolfgangdevries127

8 ай бұрын

@@wiegraf9009 start with understanding simple words like "sarcasm", before you confuse yourself with endless endoramas. Just saying

Shout out Brent Adkins, who awakened my love of Philosophy. For those looking for an interesting intro into Deleuze & Guatarri, check out his article: “A Rumor of Zombies: Deleuze and Guattari on Death.” His work on Spinoza is also absolutely fantastic. But beyond all of that, he's a wonderful professor and just a down right great guy.

@JebeckyGranjola

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for the recommendation. I'm writing about Death and Spinoza, so I'd love to hear any thoughts on the subject.

After watching this video I’ve got the feeling it helped me understand Deleuze better than 3 years of cultural studies at university.

Among other things, I finally learned how to pronounce Deleuze's first name.

@LuisAldamiz

Жыл бұрын

/jil's/ I guess

@LuisAldamiz

Жыл бұрын

You did not learn how to pronounce Guattari's last name properly however, he made it sound French when it's Italian.

*Deleuze* is no stranger to Electronic Rock Music, featuring in the track *Le Voyageur* by *Heldon* ( 1972 )

Brings to mind Conlon Nancarrow's Studies for Player Piano

@jonathanwoodvincent

2 жыл бұрын

conlon's crumbling counterpoint

This has to be the best and simplest explanation of Deleuze I have seen so far :D you really get the core concept, and also understand how it is related to the majority of his other ideas. God job!

Putting the word "arborecent" into my vocabulary, thank you!

@LuisAldamiz

Жыл бұрын

*"arborescent" A common word in botany and gardening meaning "becoming like a tree", typically used for some bushes which can turn into trees, especially if you prune them properly. In this context it means just "tree-like", I guess.

Wow, mind blown with the example of Suicide. I fucking love that band. Real unexpected example! Fantastic work!

You broke down in 14min what took me hours and hours of various podcasts to have a slight understanding of. Please keep up the great work!

Interesting example: in video games the debate of graphics vs artstyle. There are people who enjoy when the graphics of a game is as realistic as possible, which is representational thinking. There are also people who claim they dont mind "bad graphics" (non represantational graphics) of the artstyle is creative and fun to look at

The pursuit of the novel has always interested me, being paradoxically a classical theme. Artists from all ages of human history have been driven forward by their intense boredom at the status quo, desperately longing to see something new in the world. This phenomenon seems however even more accelerated today, with meme culture creating trends that almost immediately grow stale. With the world so interconnected and art democratized, culture is produced, dissimenated and forgotten at a ridiculous pace. Will this finally make us bored with the pursuit of the novel itself? Or will it drive us to discover what is beyond 'the pursuit of the novel', that is, the new new? As Derrida asks in _Violence and Metaphysics,_ does the future have a future?

@mouwersor

2 жыл бұрын

Culture may be constantly novel at surface level but the deeper patterns constantly repeat. Sadly, seeing these patterns and getting bored of them requires intelligence (the deeper the patterns the more intelligence, because there are more steps needed to see the similarity across the different examples, and they move to more abstract planes of thought). Call me an elitist but it is because of this democratization of art and the lack of careful study that there aren't new 'abstract patterns', at least not in the mainstream.

@romanticplacebo3693

2 жыл бұрын

No reason to fear or hope, but to look for new weapons.

@cerumen

2 жыл бұрын

@@mouwersor You have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty

@mouwersor

2 жыл бұрын

​@@cerumen I hope this is not implicitly an attempt to call me pretentious or anything, that's what that meme has been used for.

@rand0mletters1

2 жыл бұрын

@@mouwersor its not all that different from how its always been. The only difference is interconnectivity, which is actually great for the generation of "new patterns." I imagine its similar Kuhns normal science v. revolutionary science -- we have periods of normal cultural advancement, small microsteps in one direction until that revolutionary idea who inseminates the world and births a new era.

i saw suicide in nyc just a year before. vegas death, one of the best shows i ever seen! and he brought his grandson out and they sang together was so sweet

This is easily a contender for the best video on Deleuze on the internet. I think PlasticPills would want a crack at that title though.

You have helped me in my college

petitioning for more deleuze content

I'm quite enjoying your book.

Brilliant analysis. I’ve been a fan for a while, you’re content is only getting better. Also, drum machines v. drum kits was a perfect analogy. Suicide was just a plus

i need more Deleuze from you...

How does CKK Philosophy read my mind every time? I don't even have to be creative anymore. If I just wait long enough anything I think about will be addressed by CKK Philosophy. It's made my life more relaxing actually... if I just give it time, my ideas will come into reality, and I don't even need to make them cause this awesome youtuber does it for me...

This is a fantastic manner in which to introduce how Deleuze articulates the metaphysics of difference in difference and repetition, well done

Wow, I'm speechless, you demonstrated Deleuze's ideas so well. Thank you for your hardwork, may God bless your soul.

I have enjoyed all of your videos but this one in particular provides something I can take with me through life. I get sad thinking about how I can never be as good a soccer player as messi or Ronaldo. It was hard to want to continue playing because "I'll never get good enough". Recently I decided to forget all that and just focus on having a good time, trying random things with the ball - laughing when it doesn't work out and being happy with myself when it works. I like your analogy. I was suffering because I was focused on being a Drum machine and suffer less when I drop those pretenses and play for fun. Oh and congrats on getting your book published :)

Wow! Thanks to you I now know about some really useful and empowering concepts. The arborescent/rhizomatic pattern can be applied basically everywhere.

Omg a drum machine related video *clicks furiously*

I always enjoy watching your videos. I already bought your book and I'll give it a read once I'm done with what I'm currently reading.

This is one of my favorite videos on YT, on any subject. Beautiful.

BTW the interesting bit is that current contemporary classical music is trying to depict the sounds of electronic music - exsample: Thomas Adès, who in few composition is trying to do the impression of electronic club music. Like nearly all contemporary classical composers have few composition in which they are trying to depict the sound of machines, the sound of busy city, of cars and airplanes, and so on.

You are so good at explaining this stuff! Thank you for what you do.

As a fan of drum machines, suicide and twin peaks and potatoes I enjoyed this video.

So so good. Clarified with the drum machine beautifully. I'll have to revisit their work more again.

Plato's forms remind me of the idealisms so often found in policitcal ideology which act as false gods more than anything else (things like 'purity', 'perfection', 'proper/degeneracy dichotomy etc)

@memereference2545

2 жыл бұрын

Plato's forms aren't ideological constructs the way that 'degeneracy' is.

@wheresmyeyebrow1608

2 жыл бұрын

@@memereference2545 Oh sure but it just reminded me, since many do people end up having similar 'perfect examples' conjured up in their heads for a lot of these things

Interestingly, I once analyzed why I loved my favorite musician, Fullkawa Honpo's, early work -- which was done using vocaloid, which I typically don't like. I determined that the reason was because, unlike just about every other vocaloid producer in '09, he did _not_ use vocaloid as a "replacement singer." He used it as what it _was,_ a synth that can convey human language, and he crafted the sound of the "instrumental" to complement such a synth. After watching this video, it's really cool to realize that I was essentially lauding him for thinking about vocaloid rhizomatically (though, admittedly, he wasn't quite so experimental with its use; all his songs can and have been covered by human voices, which implies to at least some sense a sort of "representational" use of the instrument beyond the mere timbral. That said I typically prefer the vocaloid original, something I can't say for any other vocaloid producer lol).

@katresan1059

2 жыл бұрын

I was thinking about voice synths too and how some producers used them to create melodies impossible to perform by humans so your input is really interesting

@chriss780

2 жыл бұрын

@@katresan1059 who are some other examples of producers who use them like that?

@dateddelvings1695

2 жыл бұрын

@@chriss780 One example I can think of is "Worlock" by Skinny Puppy. It's a dark, electronic industrial song that also uses a vocoder for some of the vocals to give them an interesting robotic sound.

@chriss780

2 жыл бұрын

@@dateddelvings1695 thabks ill check it out!

@chocolaterottenheresy5229

2 жыл бұрын

I always prefer the vocaloid tuning that sounds inhuman and robotic

This reminds me of old KZread. Of fringe elements. I love that you take your time and Background noise is limited.

Well, I've read Deleuze for something like 10 years, through direct reading (translated) and through other fields. This example with the drum machine was very enjoyable and concise, well done! And using Suicide is a nice throw-in.

So Deleuze vs Plato is like The Lego Movie kid vs Lego Movie dad? Creating something new from what already exists versus reproducing from a reference?

@originalblob

2 жыл бұрын

Not a bad comparison.

@McDonaldsCalifornia

2 жыл бұрын

Now I wanna see Lego movie - a deleuzian analysis

@RobinDBanks-re9nz

2 жыл бұрын

@@McDonaldsCalifornia There is one by Goggin thinking about society of control and securitization

Great video, but as usual when talking about Deleuze - and especially when it comes to machines - I deplore the absence of a mention towards Simondon. Many deleuzians still seem unaware of Deleuze's heavy borrowing of Simondon's view on techniques. Some points could have been made even better with this kind of insight, which would also represent a good alternative to Plato as an authority figure.

I guess I’m a staunch arborist. & though I agree with almost nothing they say, I just want to commend you on making this video. I can’t believe how many of their topics you could fit into 14 minutes. & how well you explained them. Well done!

Great video, as always, Jonas! Looking forward to reading your book asap ❤️

love this vid and LOVE your book, it's helped me clarify so much

Oh my god. This is the closest I think I've been to a thing I keep circling around but can't seem to pin down! I love the drum machine analogy! This is why neurodiversity is looked at with the language of mental illness. "Neurotypical" is a kind of platonic ideal - an "arborescent" kind of representation that doesn't even necessarily correspond to something in the real world. So trying to have a person conform to that standard will always create some kind of dissonance. If you take the ideal-ness of the standard for granted, and don't even ask where it comes from, or what it's for, you'll automatically measure the dissonance as a defect in the individual instead of as a defect in the standard! Really to be your best self you have to be like Mario. A thing made for its engine, with music written for the instrument it's played on, instead of some ideal instrument and engine that you're not actually using.

@BrassicaRappa

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for doing this! I tried reading those stupid books years ago and I just couldn't get anything out of them (capitalism and schizophrenia). I'm so frustrated that I've had to spend so much time wandering around in the dark when there are people who already did that work and just encoded it in inaccessible language. :( :( :(

@BrassicaRappa

2 жыл бұрын

Reading isn't really my thing, but I think I might actually give your book a try. Your style is very accessible.

I held this video off for a bit, but I'm so glad I watched it. Coincidentally Deleuze and Guattari's idea of the rhizome came up during class and while I was interested I was slightly confused as to its applicability. After your explanation it has made it extremely clear and I am thankful.

hands down the best D&G video on youtube. definitely going to be showing this to friends as it can explain the concepts way better than i can

Really liked your book, it put Nietzsche in a completely new perspective for me

As a musician and instrument designer, this was a great way to explain things i already instinctively knew but never think about. Thank you.

Always love your stuff, but this is the most me video essay ever and I love it

My favourite video of yours so far. Thanks, great stuff!

Just bought your book. Your video got the crux of it.

Damn this is crazy that I can view this content for free great job!!!!

This is one of the greatest things I've ever watched on youtube, I hate posting comments but I had to make an exception, you definitely deserve it

I'm so glad you made this vid. always love hearing more about deleuze cos I haven't had the time to crack open any of his books. keep doin what you fuckin feel like dude you're on the right path w this KZread thing (I think)

"Deleuzians love potatos"

This is absolutely amazing

THANK YOU FOR THIS! I had SO MUCH TROUBLE understanding rhizomes. Unfortunately, the people I asked at Uni weren't able to adequately explain it to me as you have. That's not their fault, I'm not the brightest person in the world. And I should note they did help me understand the concept a little bit, just not completely. But after your explanation, everything finally fell into place. I am grateful in a way I cannot express in words.

This video is just beautiful and brilliant. Using the great band Suicide as an example to explain a philosophical topic 😍. Thank you for making difficult concept closer to people who have no academic training in philosophy

Good introductory video overall, although i would have suggested using something else other than "beat the whites with the red wedge" for your example of non-representational art, since that aforementioned artwork itself is representational in the sense that the red triangle and white circle represent the red army and the white army.

@LuisAldamiz

Жыл бұрын

Fair enough but, after reading your explanation, I'm guessing it was an intentional choice.

absolutely brilliant video

We love machines, we love drum machines, we love Deleuze and Guattari, and this interconnection here is really great. thanks! Great Vid!

This was amazing. Found you because someone posted this in Destiny's chat. Amazing video, especially when high.

Another important aspect to consider when talking about the "new" is that for DnG the machine not only produces something new in the moment of its action(s) but also recreates the past, or the thing it is supposed to represent. Thus the memory of the past (which is what the platonic project essentially is) is also a creation and not a channel thru which we access some said point of origin, a garden of eden, or the purity of the past.

Worth noting there is a beautiful overlap between Deleuze and Zen philosophy. Highly recommend the article "Deleuze and Zen: An Interological Adventure"

Amazing video, really perfectly explains something I’ve been thinking about a lot recently. Thank you.

This is the most worthwhile video I have seen on KZread. (Not just because I have the same model ‘Rhythm Ace’)

Wake up babe, new Jonas Ceika video

Really it’s just thinking of things in terms of combinatorics; going through all the permutations and combinations of a given situation. Instead of reducing them to how their supposed to be Also I love your book, my favorite bit was the point about how conservatives cherish guns but paradoxically support the state.

Terrific, concise explanation of an important concept using an interesting example.

This is the secret. It is in countless interviews of the most interesting artists of the last 100 years.

My favourite kinds of art mix the representational and the rhizomatic together. While pure abstract novelty can be interesting, it is often unrefined and nebulous, and coming from a visual art perspective it gets old (ironically) pretty easily. I love the works of Zdislav Beksinski, he made these beautifully surreal, entirely novel forms but they had a connection to the real. They were spatially comprehensible depections of this demonic otherworld, great stuff.

@morrisalanisette9067

6 ай бұрын

From the book The User Illusion. I think this is one of the best explanations for it i've read Complexity covers a vast territory that lies between order and chaos," the physicist Heinz Pagels wrote in his visionary book The Dreams of Reason (1988). For the fact is, the spectrum of possibilities that the notions of order and disorder offer our cosmology is a very poor one. Total disorder is uninteresting. A mess. Not worth talking about, because we cannot describe it in any explanatory way. There is no more to be said about disorder than it says itself. Similarly, total order is not particularly interesting either. A lattice of atoms in a crystal, a meticulously arranged pattern of reiterations. What there is to say about such order is quickly said and soon becomes trivial. So there must be a third possibility, which is neither total disorder nor total order, something that is definitely not trivial but is complicated without being chaotic: complexity. This territory between order and chaos encompasses practically everything worth talking about, everything we talk about and experience in our everyday lives: living beings, changes in the weather, wonderful landscapes, friendly conversation, delicious salads, and fun and games. Take a piece of writing. If it is totally ordered and predictable, it is of little interest. There is an enormous amount of order in a text composed of regular series of letters such as AAAAAAAAAA. The algorithmic information theory explains why it is boring. It is not difficult to prepare a concise description that permits the reproduction of such a text: 10 times A. Conversely, a total mess of a text isn't that interesting either: LIUQWEGAEIUJO. According to algorithmic information theory, the shortest program that can reproduce this string of random letters is the string itself. Because it is a random string of letters. Widespread acceptance of information theory has always been plagued by the fact that there is far more information in a text written by a monkey than in a text written by a famous author. But this is only natural, because there is no system in what the monkey writes (as far as we can see, at any rate), so it cannot be expressed more concisely, whereas the author's text always includes an amount of redundancy a meaningful text can always be expressed a bit more concisely because language contains a degree of superfluous characters. You u_ders_and w_at is _rint_d her_ even _houg_ ever_ fift_ lett_r has _een r_move_, righ_? A totally ordered text contains very little information and is therefore very easy for the telephone engineer to compress and transmit, whereas a totally disordered text requires very accurate reproduction, and even that cannot make it especially interesting. So meaning and information cannot have much to do with each other as regards pieces of text. Similarly, complexity and information cannot have much to do with each other as regards the physical world. Of course, there has to be a certain amount of information before we can talk of meaning or complexity. But the amount is not what matters most. Information is an interesting concept but not a particularly good measure of complexity.

Creating maps (and sometimes even notional trees) are actually pretty good ways of navigating the world providing you always remember the map is not the territory,

@johnarbuckle2619

2 жыл бұрын

I think that you are very correct.

@karltonkalle6386

7 ай бұрын

Mapping out my potato kingdom.

Congrats on the book! I'm picking it up right away

Not that I don't like longer videos, but squeezing all these informations into a 13 minutes format while using a very telling metaphor is quite impressive and highly satisfying !

Wow, this was really helpful for my current musical project and the way I'm approaching synthesis. (As a side note, a drum machine is a specialized and hedged in synth and you can create all the sounds with a synth, preferably a modular synth)

I *love* this video. The use of musicology to illuminate issues in critical theory (and vice versa) is so good, and should be done more often.

Great video! I have never heard of Deleuze before but you have made me want to go deep on him now.

incredible!! such a unique way to look at things. Thank you so much, I really appreciate your work.

Deleuze's notion of the rhizomic may be the most salient figuration of the kind of theoretical mapping necessitated by such congenial contributions as deconstruction. As an assail on logocentrism, the kind of decentered, perhaps schizophrenic, rhizomic approach to art effected by the high-modernist avant-garde definitely toppled the previous representationalist paradigm within the visual arts. However, it should be noted that within modernism the very tendencies towards abstraction ended up consolidating into an even more dubious form of logocentrism, like in Greenberg's notion of the absolute of painting, as a hypostasis of the ulterior, noumenal, "essential" world contained within the medium. I bring this up to point out how deeply ingrained arborescent thinking is in our culture, so that even what does not bear any iconic resemblance to a phenomenic object (abstract painting) can be equally invested with the same philosophical baggage as its apparent opposite. Great video!

@JebeckyGranjola

2 жыл бұрын

Hold on, let me get the thesaurus.

@fallowfieldoutwest

2 жыл бұрын

@@JebeckyGranjola sorry, I worried it might sound contrived

@JebeckyGranjola

2 жыл бұрын

@Mendl's Patisserie That was kind of a joke. I understand that jargon is needed, especially with philosophy. Personaly, I try to balance it out by only using such terms once or twice in a sentence, so hopefully people who don't understand can still half follow along.