I use this technique quite a bit but too often I wish I had taken the time to set a pull line and a separate compensation line at 90 degrees to the lay. On hard leaners, taking in quick enough to be effective is usually impractical, and on dead stems the pull line is bound to be stronger than the hinge wood resulting in a fell to the rope and not your aim.

@neild7971

2 жыл бұрын

I did use it successfully the other day on a heavy back leaner, rope set directly opposite the lean but gunning cut 10 degrees to the left. Thanks for the vids.

@Stridertrees

2 жыл бұрын

Well said!!

Thanks for this video that shows that not all scenarios are predictable. The equation is made up of unknown variables. Much appreciated.

Being real. Appreciated man!

Great job

What do u think of the Makita batterysaw?

I'm a long time pro faller who's been getting into climbing the last few years. In your explanation of the 2nd top, you said that in that instance, you face the top where you want it to go and then rely on the force vector of the rope to get the top where you want it. In falling when you're counteracting a side lean, you gun the face as far off of your desired lay as the side lean is off of plumb. Is that something you would want to do, at least to some degree, where the rope isn't vectored exactly opposite of the lean? Or should the rope be enough in most cases to get the top where you want it? Sincerely asking for my own education, I'm pretty solid at falling from the stump, still learning a lot about cutting in the air, and I'm speaking in generalities, not talking about what went wrong on this particular top- it does seem that the branch hosed you. My thought on the mechanics of it is that the rope would get the top to the tipping point, but not offer much guidance after that, but the hinge would offer directional control for a little longer before it breaks. If there's an element of side lean given your chosen lay, I'd think you'd want the hinge to counteract that to get the top committed to your desired lay before the hinge breaks, especially if the rope isn't vectored opposite of the natural lay of the top. Thanks for the videos, I do appreciate the time and effort that you put in.

@Stridertrees

2 жыл бұрын

If I’m understanding correctly, you’re on the right track. Falling from the ground you have to compensate for the lean with the face a little in order to get it to land exactly where you want, And the same is true pulling tops. The main thing to consider with the pulling rope is to be sure it is pulling opposite the lean to relieve the excess stress on the hinge that would cause it to break early. Once it gets past the tipping point there is not much that can be done to direct the top from the ground, because too much slack enters the system.

at 6:05 wasnt no little branch that held. it was leaning heavy that way and your notch was deep and left no hinge wood. atleast in my opinion

@devonashburn7000

2 жыл бұрын

If you ever work gray pines, you'll learn that they will hinge like no other. Notch looked fine, imo. If it was me, I may have feathered the throttle on the back cut a little more, at least until my guys got it to commit, but hindsight is always 20/20.

@fumagoo1986

2 жыл бұрын

@@devonashburn7000 tree was dead to. Dead tress never hinge always bust off. Doesn't matter what species. Totally agree about the cutting and pull wasn't on point

@devonashburn7000

2 жыл бұрын

@@fumagoo1986 It's covered in green needles, no? Should be plenty wet. Am I trippin?

@devonashburn7000

2 жыл бұрын

@@fumagoo1986 Graypines are almost always covered in dead limbs, even coupled with super thick green canopies. They're pretty nasty trees. (Sorry if I'm assuming you aren't familiar with the species, I just don't know what region you're from) Strider and I are both Northern California.

@pmv5322

2 жыл бұрын

My question was from the beginning you show the one groundsman on the rope and then show these big tops he's going to pull lol... sounds like you got out the grcs afterwards ? Thank you for the video

Well you had a big dutchman on that first top you showed. So that didn’t really help

I personally think this type of technique is the last thing any climber should need a lesson on just because if you are going to start pulling over big tops you should already be an expert in your ability. This type of video seems like a really terrible encouragement to do exactly what most new climbers are inclined to do which is to not just go higher or learn to rig stuff. I do enjoy your videos but this video provided absolutely zero value for learning anything at all, especially since you made the excuse of "I already crushed the fence so it was ok that I couldn't even show you an example of something I am trying to teach. You could have left more holding wood on the side you were trying to pull towards or maybe just don't use this technique on a crowded crown. There was definitely some learning opportunities but you failed to implement them.

@Stridertrees

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes it’s more effective to teach by showing something that went wrong than by showing only the successes. Especially if it’s a risky technique in the first place. I know I always learn more from those willing to publicly show where mistakes are made rather than just when it all goes right.

@troythompson2798

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stridertrees I totally agree, it's just that the video was laid out like here is what I am going to teach you rather than this is what not to do. Some constructive suggestions would be a wide shallow face and leave more hold wood to compensate the lean rather than just I want it here so I can pull from here because obviously that theory did not work. Anyway, like I said I enjoy your content and not bashing your skills just thinking that this was not very educational.

@xpumax1

2 жыл бұрын

For me this was very educational, beacause in the real professional world, sometimes it's necessary to do this technique, to safe time or for other many reasons. But of course, it's neccesary to know how to do it right, and for that reason, this video is very usefull.

@xpumax1

2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes, for example, if you work in a dead tree, it's not safe at all to climb it, so mostly it's neccesary to do something like this technique

Full tension off the bat, a wide open face cut instead of a Humboldt, leave more holding wood and clean up the notch. You can also spine tie the rope, similar to how SRT is set up, which gives much greater leverage for directional cuts. You did a lot wrong here and should not be teaching these techniques with such a low level of skill.

@Stridertrees

2 жыл бұрын

That’s a pretty strong statement. You’re certainly making lots of assumptions based on a very short, edited clip that obviously doesn’t show everything involved 🤔

@devonashburn7000

2 жыл бұрын

@@Stridertrees The industry is full of guys like this. See one clip they disagree with and decide their way is the only way. Don't pay any mind. Constructive criticism is cool, but to outright say you're too unskilled to make an instructional is just not true and unhelpful. Why not just have a conversation about it? That, in my opinion, is a major problem in our industry. Too much hubris.