"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy" Philosophical comedy gold..

@jdjones4825

Ай бұрын

People talking about someone decades after the fact doesn't mean someone existed.. Paul had a so called hallucination .

@danielmorris3687

Ай бұрын

The Life of Brian is probably more accurate in the actual rise of the cult of Jesus and Christianity than any believer would ever want to contemplate. Comedy gold indeed. It's one of the funniest movies ever made.

@smoutube1197

17 күн бұрын

@@jdjones4825 Ya but it was 2000 years ago so that's really our evidence that any ancient historical figures existed some historian wrote is down some time, Jesus probably existed his 12 apostles went in pairs in 6 different directions some to India some to Rome some to Ethiopia 40 years after jesus's death the first gosepsl were written by the apostles followers writing down what they'd said so it's not just this one guy paul it's 12, also it would be a bit bizare if they made the whole thing up as a joke said it to people who didn't take kindly to it got martyred and then 2000 years later it's the worlds leading religion

@jdjones4825

16 күн бұрын

@@smoutube1197we don't know if the deciples scriptures are legitimate and even if they are I think once the paul edits occurred the Christian branch of Judaism was eternally "bastardised" from its original free flowing sentiments..

I was born into a Christian family, but no longer consider myself a member of the faith. I find the historiography of Christianity so fascinating. Always a pleasure to hear Professor Bond speak on the subject.

@con_boy

Ай бұрын

Really? She's so chock full of utter gibberish I can't cope and I've watch 11seconds and had to stop There is no one in history better attested: pliny the younger, Suetonius, Josephus, plus about 20 others independently attest Jesus. We know the sermons preached in corinth. from 17 years after the crucifixion. She's just a nut job with a badge mate

Loving the rational and well-informed debate in the comments where everyone apparently possesses more historical knowledge about biblical times than an actual professor at the University of Edinburgh... Well done you. You really "got" whoever it was you think you're getting.

@FBDAGM2023

26 күн бұрын

Don’t disagree with you, but I do wonder if you’re aware that people possessing more knowledge than world experts is the very basis of YT :-)

@paulryan5150

25 күн бұрын

You do know that there are only so many books on this subject and anybody can read them and have an opinion about them just as valid as this professor. Most are on the internet.

@MarieIsHere-rg3bv

22 күн бұрын

@@paulryan5150 OK, but being a professor is way above the level of "reading all the books". She spends her life attending conferences, reading academic papers from all over the world, doing original research in museums, writing papers, which are then peer reviewed. She'll be up-to-date on all the latest ideas and will be expected to have an informed opinion on them and she'll also be asked to review them. She's probably able to read ancient Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic. She's been doing this for decades. She might even have to do some teaching! If you're not an academic, you don't have access to this world.

@FleurPillager

21 күн бұрын

I wish this was more in-depth and she presented the actual evidence for the claims she makes. You could do an entire hour long video on the evidence that Jesus dressed like a Roman and had short hair. I'd be interested in that.

@MarieIsHere-rg3bv

20 күн бұрын

@@FleurPillager Helen has a lot of content on KZread and has written a lot of books

Notably, there are scant documents that date back centuries that support the claims made about the majority of historical figures from that era. She is not claiming that he is divinely born, as Alexander the Great was supposedly born to Zeus; rather, she is stating that the evidence for his existence is consistent with accepted historical accounts.

@JohnD808

Ай бұрын

@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn I publicly declare that you’re a divine being. Now we need exceptionally good evidence to be sure you’re a real person.

@infozencentre

Ай бұрын

There are no historical accounts. A couple of guys a generation or two afterwards who claim to be his inheritors of authority are hardly unbiased sources

@maxdecimus13

Ай бұрын

​@Letsthinkaboutit-mb7nn I completely disagree. There is enough in the New Testament that are not fanciful stories of miracles etc to believe these are actual people. As mentioned, the best evidence is the crucifixion in that it would make no sense to make up a religion on that basis. There is plenty of other very good circumstantial reasons to mean the default is that he was real. Whether we know a single thing about him other than that he was crucified is another matter entirely.

@silverhawkscape2677

Ай бұрын

Sadly Atheist with Argue over anything that claims Christ Was actually a Real Person. Making her fair game.

Just wanted to remind all the smug armchair experts in the comments here that most historians think Jesus was real. If he was the son of God is another matter entirely. The evidence for Jesus is better than most historical figures who's existence no one denies.

@maxdecimus13

Ай бұрын

As an atheist, I despair at the levels some people go to to assert he didn't exist. It is pure wishful thinking. If you use Occam's razor, it is far far more likely that a ten-a-penny preacher was crucified and then his supporters spun the story in a way that resonated with people, than the idea that a group of people purposely invented a logically inconsistent story based around a guy being crucified. It literally makes no sense.

@wiretamer5710

Ай бұрын

I'd like to remind you that history is not a political numbers game, and everything not written AT THE TIME is not valid evidence of anything, but gossip and spin.

@87tinman

Ай бұрын

I deny his existence

@christinabiller8901

Ай бұрын

😊 pop pop

@gannonmcnall356

Ай бұрын

@@87tinman then he will deny you. Repent brother, do you really think you’re perfect?

"He was very unpopular with a group of people in Jerusalem..." - The diplomat's answer.

@MrCopyrat

16 күн бұрын

that shows she is not fit for the job.

@sallyside8855

15 күн бұрын

@@MrCopyrat It's lucky you are not in charge of a university!

@cv5369

Күн бұрын

Bingo!

This was an absolute delight, thank you professor Bond!

@joshuataylor3550

19 сағат бұрын

She's a member of the church of Scotland....

@elijahcumpton9926

18 сағат бұрын

@@joshuataylor3550 ...and?

I really don’t understand why this video didn’t perform as well as most of the others, I really enjoyed it!

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

17 күн бұрын

Me too. But some people nowadays are seem to be very bitter at Christianity to the point they love to deny historicity of Jesus and keep mocking every expert who doesn't agree with them and seem to be trigger at any mention of Jesus. (And there is of course the other group - overly-religious ones who reject any critical academic discourse.) It's so sad how fanatical are both sides.

Jesus like had “the kind of burial someone who was slightly executed might have.” Lmao

@moonlightbay4814

10 күн бұрын

She says, "...the kind of burial that someone who's been executed is more likely to have had." (20:11)

09:55 There might not be any evidence to confirm this as such, but I imagine that if a deep dive was done to see how often the Bible or other records show how often he closed a door when leaving a room, we could make a fair assumption as to yes or no. I have not been a believer since I was 12, but growing up I can safely recall never hearing tell of him closing a door. That would lead me to assume that yes, he was in fact born in a barn had he existed. Which, I'm happy to accept he was a real person.

The way she says the word “questions” is wild

Great video, thank you! I will definitely look for your podcast.

It's worth pointing out that most historical figures from that period are based on very few sources dating centuries after their death. She's not saying he's the son of God, like how Alexander the great was considered the son of Zeus, just that the evidence that he existed stands up to standard historical scrutiny

@LP-jn4tw

Ай бұрын

He existed just as much as the other thousands of guys named jesus existed. Throw in a bunch of writers and storytellers (with various agendas) and you've got entertaining fairy tales at the very least.

@pirththee

Ай бұрын

@@LP-jn4tw Throw in a few messianic expectations and you have a rock and roll band.

@steveofthewildnorth7493

Ай бұрын

No, actually, they're not. But for some strange reason, we give Jesus a pass on actual evidence.

@JohnD808

Ай бұрын

@@steveofthewildnorth7493no, actually, we don’t. Fortunately most people aren’t ideologically obsessed atheists who want to contort history to suit their own purposes.

@preciousmourning8310

Ай бұрын

@@steveofthewildnorth7493 Xtian apologists do but critical biblical scholars who do scholarship based on evidence do think a traveling apocalyptic Jewish preacher named Jesus was around at the time and had a following. It obviously does not mean Christian teachings themselves are true, just that he was probably a guy who existed. Look up "Direct archaeological evidence for a historical Jesus?" by Dan McClellan on KZread.

Absolutely mental seeing Prof bond on KZread when I last saw her in the late 90s when a mate shared a flat with her friend 😂

@Domee894

Ай бұрын

Was she wild back then?

@steveofthewildnorth7493

Ай бұрын

Was she assuming crap then too?

@dh7314

Ай бұрын

Was she guessing at the life story of fictional characters then too?

@FleurPillager

24 күн бұрын

@@dh7314 Do you think other historical figures are fictional too? Dido? Henry the 8th?

You’re soooo lovely ! Thank you 🙏

Q: "what languages did Jesus speak?" A: "Murican"

It is insane how much things in the world and history have happened based on people's faith in someone of whom we know so little about

And the dinner in the painting was the Passover Seder!

It’s like you’re looking at the top of the ceiling. Very odd have never seen that ever before.

like it very much, thank you

I was of the understanding that actual togas were more of a formal garment, rather than the everyday garment of Romans.

@wiretamer5710

Ай бұрын

They certainly were by the early Empire.

Pliny the Younger, a Roman Gov. talks about him having believers sing to him"as to God".

@iainrendle7989

Ай бұрын

Pliny was some time after Jesus died, and what he refers to is the Christians that he was dealing with whilst Governer of Bithynia in 110 AD, and what you refer to is his letter to Trajan and how he was to deal with the Christian community from a judical point of biew. He never actually uses the name Jesus, but rather Christ ( and not identified as a person, and the term was "as to 'a' god" of which the Romans had many and allowed the belief of a huge amount of others. So Pliny can be used regarding the early christian movements spread but nothing about Jesus as a person or him ever existing in reality

I don't personally accept that the "day of judgement" is the end of the world. I believe that it is the end of your individual world after you die, and you experience what reality is, in the afterlife. I say this because I am in Matthew right now as I am reading the New Testament, and came across the parable of the fruiting tree. It explains how that the tree says what fruit it bears, which in turn indicates that even in our life review or in our afterlife, we decide whether if we are worthy to enter the kingdom of God after the life review. I say this because God gifted us the ability to have free will, why not have it be used in the final decision?

While he spoke Aramaic, he probably knew enough Hebrew to participate in reading the Torah, and probably read it aloud

@bentucker2301

Ай бұрын

Who?

@pirththee

Ай бұрын

Do you realize how many times the word "probably" figured into the conclusions you've drawn?

@andrasszabo1570

Ай бұрын

@@pirththee Do you realise it's impossible to talk about anybody without probabilities, let alone somebody 2000 years in the past?

@pirththee

Ай бұрын

@@andrasszabo1570 Here's a phrase that is helpful in situations like you're describing. "I don't know" It's a quaint little phrase that trumps all probabilities and suppositions..

@thelostone6981

Ай бұрын

@@pirththeewhat? Are you saying it’s NOT probably true that Mohammed split the moon in half, Joseph Smith found gold plates and Olifat causes mischief in Micronesia? Well, as the first MusMormOliest, I can say that those things ABSOLUTELY, 100% happened*. *probably

I understand the argument that Jesus was not the first Christian, but I am unsure about the assertion that Christianity did not emerge as a separate religion from Judaism until much later, even after Paul. I thought that Paul argued that gentiles did not need to convert to Judaism to be accepted into the Kingdom of God. My understanding is that Paul argued with Peter and James (Jesus' brother) that gentiles did not need to adhere to the Jewish laws about food (and presumably circumcision, but I am less sure about this). If that is the case, then it seems to me that Paul was founding a separate religion from Judaism even if he didn't call it Christianity. Have I misunderstood Paul's writings? I would very much appreciate Prof Bond's clarification. Thank you.

@lizzieh5284

Ай бұрын

There were many different forms of Christianity at that time. 'Heresy:Jesus Christ and the other Sons of God'by Catherine Nixey is a very good book on the subject.

@wiretamer5710

Ай бұрын

None of that makes any sense, because Christianity as we understand it, did not exist before the council of nicea 325 CE and the first evidence of AD dating ocurrs in the 6th century.

@Hugh_Morris

Ай бұрын

I can tell you that from a Roman perspective, Christians were seen as a Jewish sect until the reign of Vespasian in 70 AD. This indicates that most Christians at the time looked and acted like other Jews.

@randommusic4567

4 күн бұрын

I suppose the question is when does something become a separate religion rather than a branch of a religion or some members of a religion that have slightly different views than the mainstream This happens all the time in Christianity and islam and judaism but we dont count them as separate religions

I like the video. But I must point out that the excerpts of the Bible in old English and low quality print was a poor design choice.

Loved this one. I am a former protestant member that never really believed, but was always fascinated by Jesus. Hearing this kind of perspective is so refreshing and interesting.

@andreascj73

Ай бұрын

It is quite common theology and has been for more than 200 years now.

@mike9512

Ай бұрын

@andreascj73 what is the point of your comment? I go online and make a positive comment, you don't know anything about me, and your instinct is to condescendly come on to point out something I already know? Just keep your mouth shut buddy, and move on.

@andreascj73

Ай бұрын

@@mike9512 Nothing condescending in my comment. But this is common theological knowledge. It would have been the same if you were surprised by some common medical knowledge and thought it refreshing being a former football coach or something, and you were told by a doctor that it is common knowledge. Instinct? There is no instinct in replying to a comment, mate.

@BadgerUKvideo

Ай бұрын

@@andreascj73 Ask a mate to reread your response. It does legit look like your instinct was to condescend. Your follow-up makes it look even more so.

@andreascj73

Ай бұрын

@@BadgerUKvideo I actually don't care how it appears tbh. Common knowledge among theologians is common knowledge among theologians.

Why is it that in Spanish culture, people use the first name "Jesús" but we don't do that in the rest of Europe?

@AleksiJoensuu

Ай бұрын

Well, there's Joshua in English, Jussi in Finnish, Giosue in Italian, Iosua in Romanian, aaand so on. Not Jesus exactly, but then according to the video, Jesus wasn't named Jesus either 😅

@robiking011

Ай бұрын

It's because in Spain in the 1500s there arose the last name ''De Jesus'' (which means ''Of Jesus'' in Spanish) This last name became very popular in Spain and so people in Spain got used to seeing ''Jesus'' in people's names. And so by the 1700s some people just started naming boys ''Jesus'' and it became a common name in Spain and other Spanish speaking places.

@robiking011

Ай бұрын

@@AleksiJoensuu Giosue, Iosua, Jussi, all just mean ''Josepth''. not Jesus. Are you saying that ''Jose'' in Spanish means Jesus too?

@AleksiJoensuu

Ай бұрын

@@robiking011 Did you watch this video? If not, see 0:38 - 0:52.

@robiking011

Ай бұрын

@@AleksiJoensuu What does that have to do with anything? She never says that Giosue, Iosua, Jussi all mean Jesus.

Its interesting because the New Testament states Jesus was crucified for blasphemy. However, that crime was punishable by stoning. The crime of crucifixion was reserved for inciting rebellion or insurrection against the Roman state.

@Medic545

Ай бұрын

The Jews were not allowed to administer capital punishment under the Romans. The gospels say that the Jews incited Pilate and the Romans to crucify him by charging him rebellion against Rome.

@uxigadur

Ай бұрын

Blasphemy was the temple authorities acussation. But he was presented as a rebell against Rome to Pilatos. That Is why pilatos first really doesnt care, and the reason jesus Is mocked as a false king of the jews. A messiah Is both a religious and polítical figure.

@user-us6pj2jw1h

Ай бұрын

Another way you can read this from the eyes of Apostle Paul is that although you are right that he shouldn’t have been hanged on a tree for blasphemy, God purposefully made it so so he can rightfully redeem us from the curse of the law as it is written in Galatians 3:13 - ”Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.”[h] 14 He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus” Deuteronomy 21:22-23 says “a hanged man is cursed by God”.

@bentucker2301

Ай бұрын

It's a story

@gobic1319

Ай бұрын

You forgot about the thieves crucified near Jesus.

ACTS 11:26, probably from the 80s, has followers of The Way first being called "Christians" at Antioch. It may have been intended to have a negative connotation.

Super interesting video

Josephus also mentions Jesus and his brother James, not just Pilate. You'd think that would be important context. Hopefully not edited out.

@pirththee

Ай бұрын

Josephus was born decades after Jesus alleged death, Jesus didn't appear in Josephus's first history ,but only in his second history which overlapped dates, Josephus's 2nd history followed the Roman propaganda of the time which Josephus was personally beholden to.

@infozencentre

Ай бұрын

Josephus is a later Greek source widely debunked in actual scholarship. It's generally the bible bashers who tout Josephus about, usually misquoting him and giving him more credit than deserved

@tomasrocha6139

Ай бұрын

@@infozencentre No, Josephus was a Jewish historian that apologists hate since he exposes lots of blunders in Luke-Acts as he had access to actual Roman records since he was close with the Flavians.

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

Ай бұрын

@@infozencentre Jospehus was Jewish not Greek and he wasn't debunked. He is widely regarded as non-Christian source on Jesus, though it is agreed his fragment was subject to some inetroplation.

Correct me if I am wrong but Pilate had Jesus crucified because the Saducces and Pharisees along with Caiaphas wanted him killed and Jews weren't allowed to do that so they sent Jesus to Pilate to have him tried and crucified. So it wasn't just the Romans responsible for this act but also the Jewish authorities who felt threatened by Jesus's teachings.

@jeffmartin5419

Ай бұрын

That's how the gospels tell it, but they're a biased source. The other sources we have just don't give details about it - Josephus just says there was a preacher called Jesus who got executed. (and had a big following that didn't dissolve after his death.) The general idea that the politically powerful folks in the area didn't want him starting a revolt does make sense, though.

@iainrendle7989

Ай бұрын

They could have him put to death for blasphemy, ie stoned to death, but as he seemingly avoided that, then they used first Herods and then Pilates fear of insurrection to have him dealt with under civil law rather than religous law. Judea and the whole of the Levant was a powder keg, and Pilate would not want to be seen as the person that allowed the whole thing to go up, so if he deemed Jesus to be an instigator of Jewish Independence ie a messiah, then he would want to suppress that very quickly.....so false witnesses were probably used to convince Pilate that Jesus preached insurrection and independence from Rome......nothing about him being King or his religeous views.

@wiretamer5710

Ай бұрын

There is no contemporary evidence to suport any of this.

@TheLastAssaultman0351

Ай бұрын

​@jeffmartin5419 Josephus was a Jewish historian, and the mainstream Jews considered Jesus a heretic. To claim that the gospels are biased as historical documents, but that counterclaims written by someone with an opposing ideology are not is intellectually dishonest.

@TheLastAssaultman0351

Ай бұрын

​@wiretamer5710 the gospels and writings of Paul are contemporary historical documents. Whether or not you believe they are divinely inspired is irrelevant. The fact is they are part of the historical record, and they were written within living memory of the events described.

What’s with the blurring out on the picture?

Seems to me that if one with superhuman abilities existed in the first place, it wouldn't have taken 20 years for someone to finally get around to writing a letter about it. Unless that letter-writer wanted to make sure that no one remembered the ACTUAL guy ... cuz it would be kinda embarrassing to write this myth and have someone else say "Hey! I knew this guy Jesus. Dude was a moron. The only miracle I saw was that he was able to walk and chew gum at the same time." Gotta give that ish time to quiet down. THEN you create the myth.

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

13 сағат бұрын

Most disciples were illiterate. Message had to first got to people who could write. Also - you shoulnd't assume there were no prior records. There could be earlier writings than simply did not survive.

One small addition: Jesus is present in a couple of religions, not just Christianity and Islam. He was one of the 4 prophets in manichaeism, which was a major world religion in the 3rd-7th centuries. In the druze faith, he is one of the 7 prophets. In the Bahá'i faith, he is a manifestation of God. Some Hindis consider him an avatar (an incarnation of a god) or sadhu (a holy person). Some Buddhists, including the current Dalai Lama, also consider him a budhisatva.

My mom used to ask me all the time if I was born in a barn?

You know, I think I figured out why so many people are upset about this video. I think it's because they put a scholar to the task, who, in her research, does not enter the topic with the presupposition that Jesus was, in fact, the incarnation of a deity, and that you, as the researcher, have your eternal salvation on the line specifically when it comes to the belief in said Jesus as their lord and savior, which you know, might just maybe, in some maybe small maybe you know, possibly totally irrelevant way bias the researcher so horrendously that you could never have them honestly present this information.

The most important question left is does Jesus save with the Woolwich?

So the followers of JC waited decades to a hundred years after his death to write an account? How is this a historical record? It’s more like a historian writing about the fables of Atlantis. While Jesus probably lived, the mythology written about him is just that. I was hoping for an objective review of these questions.

@pirththee

Ай бұрын

Good luck finding objectivity on this subject.

@preciousmourning8310

Ай бұрын

He's mentioned in the Pauline Epistles about 20 yrs after his death. The scholarly consensus is that a traveling apocalyptic preacher named Jesus existed and had a following but obviously the religious stuff and miracle claims are unprovable.

@pirththee

Ай бұрын

@@preciousmourning8310 Can one cite those that comprise ones scholarly consensus?.

@preciousmourning8310

Ай бұрын

@@pirththee Look up the critical biblical scholar Dan McClellan here on KZread, he has a PhD in the Bible and the cognitive science of religion. Especially relevant is his video: "Direct archaeological evidence for a historical Jesus?".

@pirththee

Ай бұрын

@@preciousmourning8310 That's one source I believe you talked about a consensus which implies more than one..

Always love listening to Helen Bond! If anyone cares to listen to her podcast you with find that there are many scholars over many disciplines that have studied the historicity of the Torah and the Bible and speak knowledgeably on how the books were assembled and what parts are historically supported. Her position that Jesus was a real man referenced not only by the Bible but by other historians of the time period does not mean that she swallows everything in the Bible as historically accurate. It is a text that is telling a story in order to support its teachings, and knowing that, it can be analyzed to separate the historical from the embellished. Did Jesus’s life happen and inspire religion? The answer is clearly YES. Was he the miracle working son of God? That’s up to you and your beliefs. Her beliefs are withheld here as she is speaking about history, not religion.

There were two Bethlehems at the time the second one is under a motorway

@lizzieh5284

Ай бұрын

The Romans who kept metuculous records also never recorded a census at that time.

@williamfletcher5760

Ай бұрын

@@lizzieh5284 they did a census as recored in the birth of Jesus stories. Dont forget populations were less in those days and population growth was slower so census was not required as often.

@williamfletcher5760

Ай бұрын

@@lizzieh5284 The Census of Quirinius was a census of the Roman province of Judaea taken in 6 CE, upon its formation, by the governor of Roman Syria, Publius Sulpicius Quirinius. This is the one most likely to be the census recorded in the New Testament

@lizzieh5284

Ай бұрын

@@williamfletcher5760 but in the bible it states that Joseph and Mary went to Bethlehem for a census. There is no record of this written by the Romans. 'Birth of Jesus stories' - exactly that 'stories'.

@williamfletcher5760

Ай бұрын

@@lizzieh5284 see the reply sowing the roman census

Beautiful voice, beautiful eyes and a matching jacket = wonderful video. A naughty child with the powers of God? Sounds like the God to me. In a modern version of Titus Andronicus starring Anthony Hopkins, God is (by metaphor) depicted by a naughty child at the beginning, wreaking havoc on the world for play. So the idea can't be new.

Fact is, Jesus would have had brown skin, brown eyes. He would look nothing like the popularized depictions of a white man with blue or green eyes and long blond hair!

@TheLastAssaultman0351

Ай бұрын

Throughout history, artists have rendered images of Jesus in their own context. Their are Native American images of Native Jesus, European images of European Jesus, Asian images of Asian Jesus, etc. Prior to the globalization of the 20th century, people lived in a much more insular world. When they heard stories, they would transfer them to their own context. Especially in a world of extremely limited literacy, art was used to tell stories in a way that people would understand.

@maxdecimus13

Ай бұрын

This is certainly a hot take, and not one that people have been pointing out for my whole life...

@con_boy

Ай бұрын

Not true, the hellenic Mediterranean wasn't the same gene pool as now. You're looking at today: 2,000 of intermarriage later. Wind the clock back. Do the effort.

@stephencurry8552

Ай бұрын

@@TheLastAssaultman0351 And yet there are facts. Accuracy. Not emotion. It is well known that white Europeans made depictions of christ look like what they wished he looked like. Obviously, inaccurate for racist reasons. Get real man. Facts are the only thing that is important. I could not care less about your emotions.

@brendankelly9789

Ай бұрын

'inaccurate for racist reasons', well definitely not in the Middle Ages when art (paintings, statues etc.) depictions of Jesus were made to tell Biblical stories to a local crowd.

Was Jesus real? Probably. Was he the resurrected son of a god while also being that god who sacrificed himself to himself to save everyone from what he’d do to them if they didn’t worship him? Probably not

@crystalclear6660

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Just listen to his mother. He was a very naughty boy. (Source: Life of Buaian)

The Apartment family grave?

Re the birth place of Jesus: It could've been in Bethlehem in the Galilee, which is only about 12 kilometres North West of Nazareth.

Hey History Hit, great video! But please remind your guests to look into the camera lens not at the monitor please :) gives the impression that the person is looking above the camera

@shortdrink873

20 күн бұрын

I dunno, I’d prefer someone inexperienced on camera to look past me but talk comfortably than getting unnerved looking down the lens. It takes practice to get good at that.

Philo of Alexandria (who was the 1st Century equivalent of History Hit) wrote extensively about the Jewish peoples. He would have been a contemporary of Jesus. What did he write about him? Nothing. Now that might be explained away. However, if Jesus was drawing huge crowds and as much of a thorn in the authorities side as the bible says - why did he not write about him? For the record, I believe there probably was some obscure end times preacher by the name of Yeshua Ben Yosef (or something similar) roaming around Judea with a small group of followers - but most of his life was the product of later embellishment and exaggeration.

@marsspacex6065

Ай бұрын

Exactly he was probably a nut leading a small cult preaching against the romans and was executed like all the other people who were doing similar things at the time as the romans saw this as trying to incite rebellion among the Jewish population. His later followers were successful in crafting his story to blame the Jews so they could then be accepted as a religion in the Roman Empire.

@tomasrocha6139

Ай бұрын

Philo never wrote about John the Baptist. the High Priests or Roman Governors of Judea other than Pontius Pilate so that's not much of an argument.

@antoniousai1989

Ай бұрын

There are many other sources from Roman and Judaic writers with no interest in Christianity and they nevertheless reported the life of Jesus. There's no doubt Jesus is a historical figure in the sense that he was a preacher in Judea, he died on the cross, and this happened during Tiberius's reign. @Tsumami__ I'm not even a Christian, you genius

@Tsumami__

Ай бұрын

Probably many street preachers with that name were roaming around with small bands of followers lol

@Tsumami__

Ай бұрын

@@antoniousai1989No. your belief does not make him a historical figure. And religious apologists are not historians.

Interesting to see the picture of Jesus with Mohammed. How long before the video gets demonetised?

Jesus repeatedly killing other kids was not an answer I was expecting from this 💀

19:58 “the gospel writers of the early Christian’s want to imagine that Jesus…”. Could’ve answered all the questions with that single phrase.

@andreascj73

Ай бұрын

Yes, you could but it would be rather imprecise.

@mdtdbe

Ай бұрын

Not that phrase exactly; leave off the apostrophe in “Christians.”

@pirththee

Ай бұрын

You could have stopped with "Early Christians want to imagine", because that says it all.

@JohnD808

Ай бұрын

@@pirththeeyeah, that says it all! Ancient writers wrote things!!! Why so any more!?!?!

@pirththee

Ай бұрын

@@JohnD808 "Early Christians want to imagine" as the phrase used not "wrote things". What's with you trying to rewrite the sentence now?

So many comments on this video exude a high degree of ignorance from the commenters. Jesus is as much a historical character as Spartacus or Alexander the Great. Just because we do not have archaeological evidence of his body (like we don’t have the remains of Alexander or Spartacus) doesn’t mean he didn’t exist. It’s not just the Biblical accounts that tell of him, but also historians and writers that (while not contemporary to Jesus) were contemporary to the times of the early Christian communities-historians such as Josephus and Tacitus. His historical existence can be detached from the religious/supernatural claims of the faithful.

@26OP011

Ай бұрын

Lol ,🤣as long as your convinced

@bentucker2301

Ай бұрын

🏅 gold star for mental gymnastics

@SeanCSHConsulting

Ай бұрын

yeah, no lulz

@jasonAnthony4178

Ай бұрын

Also, don’t forget the evidence in Pompeii. Also, saying their is no evidence of Jesus is like saying theirs no evidence that Caesar lived. We believe Caesar lived because we see the evidence in the record as a result of his life and it’s implications. I love how people want to apply a different standard to Jesus then they do any other historical figures.

@BamberdittoPingpong

Ай бұрын

Lots of Reddit atheists in these comments

What kills you when crucified? Is it that you bleed to death? Or do they also put a nail through your forehead, and it was simply decided not to depict that in the Christian iconography?

@ziploc2000

Ай бұрын

My understanding is it was usually suffocation. The longer you're up there the harder it is to support your own weight, eventually you hang by your arms and it becomes hard to breathe. You could also die from dehydration. I found it interesting the two images she showed had the nails through his hands, when they should be through his wrists. You can't hang by just the skin between your fingers, the nails would eventually rip through. In Jesus' case if he was only up there a few hours, he probably died from artistic interpretation.

@thomabow8949

17 күн бұрын

I'm not sure regarding the nail to the forehead, but presuming that the crucification is in the form of the traditional cross. 1.) Hypovolemic shock: Having your radial arteries severed alongside other blood vessels will lead to a gradual loss in blood over time; whether or not it will be sufficient to lead to hypovolemic shock, where the heart no longer is able to adequately perfuse blood throughout your arteries and return them via veins, is unclear and likely varies based on the nail size as well as the location and trauma to the surrounding tissues. What is clear is that your entire body weight resting upon the nail will further damage tissue and help prevent clotting which would further blood loss. 2.) Exposure: being stripped naked, and slowly drained of blood or losing a significant volume of blood, as well as likely being malnourished and exposed to a.) nights and b.) winds would rapidly deplete your body of energy, and all of these factors would decrease the ability of your body to properly thermoregulate. You become hypothermic and your core body temperature gradually decreases until your heart has dysfunctions that leads to death, or you fail to oxygenate your tissues properly and functionally die of suffocation. 3.) Malnutrition and starvation and/or infection & septic shock. Jesus is presumed to have been stabbed by a spear, this injury is categorically what would have killed him, based on what I have been exposed to. Romans typically left the crucified alive, up there, for days on end until the elements take them. So considering the physical trauma, as well as the cyclic heating leading to dehydration and baking during the days and increasing fluid loss (thus worsening hypovolemia) and freezing at nights, leading to greater energy expenditures, your head once again gives out. If you happen to get an infection during this time period, you are severely immunocompromised and it could lead to septic shock, but I would bet money the other issues kill you first.

18:58 I'm surprised that she doesn't mention Jesus's grave at Srinagar in India.

@infozencentre

Ай бұрын

I'm surprised she didn't wear a tinfoil hat

@arturmangolim9385

Ай бұрын

The gospel which talks about it it's a forgery from the XIX century.

@arturmangolim9385

Ай бұрын

The gospel which talks about it it's a forgery from the XIX century.

@MarieIsHere-rg3bv

Ай бұрын

@@infozencentre Sorry. I don't understand.

@MarieIsHere-rg3bv

Ай бұрын

@@arturmangolim9385 ? There isn't a gospel that talks about it. It's an Ahmadi myth, isn't it? If your going to talk about the 2 fake Jesus graves in Jerusalem, why not mention the much more interesting Ahmadi version?

"There's a very good chance it's a 100 percent true" Assumption after assumption after assumption after assumption and this is her conclusion. very good

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

Ай бұрын

She nowhere says this. Yes, examinibg Jesus's life is based on assumptions. But there is nothing wrong with making assumptions and trying make the most probable scenario.

@VinnieG-

Ай бұрын

@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 She says this right in the first 25 percent of the video after mentioning Jesus' crucifixion. 2 different sources mention it, so she says in a convoluted way that it must be true. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm saying her logic is ridiculous. with her logic we can talk in the same way about Zeus or Hercules or Robin Hood

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

Ай бұрын

@@VinnieG- It's not the same. Zeus wa snever claim to be human in first place. Robin is character from folklore.

@smoutube1197

17 күн бұрын

Whats the alternative that 12 guys met up and made up a elaborate scam spent the rest of their life peddling it facing persecution never asking for personal favours and ultimalty getting killed then a christian hunter named paul has a road to damascus moment and helps spread it as the second generation of christians rise writing down what the 12 apolstles said in over 60 differnt gospels in 60 differnt places also risking life and limb under roman persecution to spread their religion that seems more ridiculous

All the derogatory comments here are to be expected. Jesus and Christianity are a soft target. Imagine if they tried to do a similar Q&A about the Prophet you-know-who. My god.

@SassyUnicorn86

Ай бұрын

Well we turn the other cheek and that's a quality I admire

@Tsumami__

Ай бұрын

A soft target? HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA yes, the most brutal and controlling, and largest religious denomination in the world is totally “a soft target”. Give me a break. Yall are always oppressing while claiming to be oppressed. This is why the world is quickly becoming done with Christianity.

@Tsumami__

Ай бұрын

@@SassyUnicorn86Christians never turn the other cheek. Considering your deity told you to enslave other nations and wipe them out to the last infant “dash the infants against the rocks” - and to be JOYOUS while yall do so….no. Turning the other cheek is not what Christians are about.

@Dusk.EighthLegion

Ай бұрын

Of course they are expected, you've had thousands of years to prove your religion is true and you have nothing, either get some evidence or stop whining when people call you out on your lies. As for a Muslim Q&A, Muslims are not like you. Muslims do not go online, talk shit about their prophet, and then wonder why people don't like them.

@spreadneck2063

Ай бұрын

Muhammad? there is more proof that he was real than there is of Jesus being a real person. Either way, God isn't real.

"Why did the Romans want to kill him?" "This is sort of at the end of his life" - ya don't say...

The youtube channel “useful charts” has a very interesting video on depictions of Jesus. One of the oldest is a graffiti of Jesus with a donkey head on the cross mocking a Christian. You can see how his look changed when he was depicted as similar gods to introduce him to the romans. He started off being depicted as a Roman, then other Roman gods and eventually similar to the Greek god Zeus, which is where the long hair and bearded look comes from

Ironic that a carpenter ends up nailed to a piece of wood. Imagine him hanging there thinking "I could have done a much better job for half the price"

No, he didn't exist. It was a tale from Egypt that the christians rewrote. Horus was born of a virgin, had twelve disciples, walked on water, delivered a 'sermon on the mount', performed mircles, was executed beside two thieves, rose from the dead and ascended into heaven.

@silverhawkscape2677

Ай бұрын

Wrong completely. The Horus Manure has long been debunked to the point anyone repeating might as well say they also believe in UFOs. For one, here was how Horus was actually Conceived. "After Osiris' death, Isis gathered up the pieces of his body and brought him back to life long enough to CONCEIVE Horus. According to some versions of the myth, Isis used her magical powers to resurrect Osiris and then COPULATED with him, resulting in the conception of Horus. In other versions, Isis used a magical spell to create a PHALLUS for Osiris, allowing her to conceive Horus without actual physical contact. This mythological detail highlights the importance of Isis' magical powers and her role as a powerful female deity." Horus wasn't even born from a Virgin. Isis CLEARLY had to knock up Osiris Reanimated Corpse to guve birth to Horus.

@arta.xshaca

22 күн бұрын

So many crackheads here

Why do you blur the suffering of our Lord?

Love Helen And her podcast (Biblical Time machine) with Dave

Did he even exist? What about the "silent historians". Historians who lived in the 20s, 30s, and 40s AD and they never mentioned him. A person who performed amazing miracles - walked on water, calmed the storm, resurrected the dead, and changed one liquid into another (water into wine). Nobody wrote about him when he was alive, nobody kidnapped him.

@preciousmourning8310

Ай бұрын

Scholars believe there was a Jewish man named Jesus who traveled around in that time period and had apocalyptic teachings but obviously those miracles are not something that can be proven.

@TheStijg

Ай бұрын

That IS the whole point: nothing was written down when he lived. Despite his “miracles”…

@oldi184

Ай бұрын

@@TheStijg I find this very bizarre. A person with powerful, god-like skills and abilities was never mentioned. Nobody abducted him to use his skills. He could resurrect the dead. How incredible is that? He could change one substance into another. That's incredible. The Roman Empire was very bureaucratic, they wrote about everything worth mentioning and a person with magical abilities was certainly worth noting. The gospels were written by people who had never seen Jesus in person. Never. They weren't even close to him.

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

Ай бұрын

@@oldi184 You didn't listen her - there were many figures of miracle performers. Jesus wasn't so special to outsiders. It was his followers that made mark on history.

@oldi184

Ай бұрын

@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 I think Jesus did not exist. She often said that there is no good, hard evidence that Jesus Christ was real. And why the New Testament was written in Greek? Why not in Aramaic?

Did his disciples believe he was God? Probably not.

@wiretamer5710

Ай бұрын

Would depend on what they ate for dinner the previous day.

@legolord5114

Ай бұрын

According to the gospels, Thomas definitely believed only after he was raised from the dead.

@zorydirwai8661

5 күн бұрын

Thomas did. John 20:28

Pontius Pilate wrote about Jesus. There are records of his writing. He was complaining about the chaos Jesus was causing amongst the Jewish leaders of the time. Pilate didn't know what to do with him and stated that in his opinion Jesus hadn't done anything wrong. But we all know the outcome. So YES there is evidence of his existence.

@maxdecimus13

Ай бұрын

I believe he existed, but I'm sorry someone has spun you a yarn. This doesn't exist.

@marcomenendez

26 күн бұрын

There letter of Pilate to Tiberius is a copy made centuries after Pilate's dead. It's supposed to be a translation of the original letter that nobody know if it even existed and if it existed, that it was actually from Pilate. So no, there is no hard evidence. It wouldn't be the first forgery by the church, would it? Remember the Constantine Donation?

I taught RE and History and I never taught RE as History.

very naughty boy

April Fool's Day was the 1st. 🤷‍♂

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

Ай бұрын

No idea what you mean. None is talking here jokes.

Judging from the comments, I feel that most people would be surprised by how little evidence we have about historical figures and their life and works at that time period. Even with major historical figures like Alexander The Great. Most of what we know about him come from Arrian who lived hundreds of year after Alexanders death.

the expert is a very sweet lady

Now do a video about Mohammed im sure that will happen.

@elainafaust3717

Ай бұрын

There are lots of videos about Mohammed.

I am not a Christian but i find this interesting 😅

@drew8305

Ай бұрын

Nothing that this person says is actual, truthful, plausible. Historical.....

@drew8305

Ай бұрын

Show me the bones Sasquatch

@drew8305

Ай бұрын

Get a hobby. Learn to paint. Houses

@FlippyD1998

Ай бұрын

@@drew8305What are you on about?

@LeandroCapstick

Ай бұрын

Same here! His impact on the world is enormous, up there with the likes of Caesar and Alexander the Great.

Tune next week for her answers on Santa Claus, and remember to submit your questions in time for the Tooth Fairy Q&A at the end of the month…

these extra canonical gospels, particularly the "Gospel" of Thomas were never "in" the Bible or referred to on any of the Biblical lists by Anthanasius or any of the early synods or later ones, any one. Thomas and these others were not actually Gospels but are spuriously referred to as such. Thomas is a Gnostic writing which is an early religion and became a Christian heresy. Elaine Pagels is the professor who so famously made something of the "gospel" not even heard of until 1945.

Oh dear. Is it April 1st again?

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

Ай бұрын

What is had to do with anything?

Can you do a documentary on Santa Claus next? Possibly how he met the future Mrs.?

@LeMonsieurBanane

Ай бұрын

I think you somewhat missed the point.

I like the boatbuilder speculation. And since we're speculating, maybe the 1st century A.D. "Jesus Boat", discovered during the 1980s, may have been his handiwork?

Me at 49s: 👀

"ehh it mightttttt go back to recollection.. but maybe they lied to make it sound good, that's my PROFESSIONAL opinion" So the first answer is entirely biased

I feel her eyeline is odd - it appears she is speaking to someone standing behind the camera rather than into the camera

@cleverusername9369

Ай бұрын

What a random takeaway

@pirththee

Ай бұрын

@@cleverusername9369 So much for relevant content.

@kimbarnetson3297

Ай бұрын

She might be, I've done a little bit of filming before where I've been interviewed about my work and you talk to the person opposite you rather than direct to the camera.

@pheart2381

Ай бұрын

I agree,its irritating.

@lynnedelacy2841

Ай бұрын

I didn’t say the content wasn’t relevant I just found it distracting

This is really hard to look into because it's such a complex topic, but if historians agree there's no archaeological evidence for jesus, does that then mean any relics accepted as real by the Catholic church e.g thorns from the crown, pieces of the true cross, pieces of the spear that pierced his side are unquestionably fake?

@M-_-O

Ай бұрын

Of course they are fake, all the “relics” can be dated to be too late to have come from Jesus’s time. It turns out, a thousand years later, people want to turn a different kind of profit. The historical person still existed regardless of what later people did with the story. I can sell you a piece of Socrates’ beard but that doesn’t negate his existence.

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

29 күн бұрын

If something is from 1st century and Palestine there is always possibility that something was authethic - but it is impossible to prove it truly came from Jesus.

Love Dr. Bond-- her Historical Jesus book is fascinating!

Absolute Twaddle 😂

I doubt very serious.Jesus would have gotten a short haircut because of a roman emperor

@davetremaine9688

Ай бұрын

Right? This woman seems like someone who knows just enough to be wrong. Yes, African slaves in the South all wanted George Washingtons wig makers business card, too.

@wiretamer5710

Ай бұрын

I doubt anyone in the Levant would have given it a second thought.

i think most theologians can agree that god broke his word on the cross

50 years after the fact is well within living memory. There are still WW2 veterans alive who can describe what the sea smelled like on D-Day 80 years ago. Yet you want us to believe that Jesus being born in Nazareth is some later legendary accretion? DRIVEL!

You should have the Pillow Guy on next to talk about 2020 election.

@Tsumami__

Ай бұрын

Lmaoooo nooo

@darrylbutt2570

Ай бұрын

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Genius.

The question that must be asked why would all the disciples die horrendous deaths for a lie? Look at their life they gained nothing on this earth for their continuance of the belief in Jesus. No gain on this earth and only to die horribly for a lie? I think not!

@PaulHaigh072

Ай бұрын

I wonder if you’d extend that explanation to Mohamed Atta?

@thomasrotweiler

Ай бұрын

Tens of millions of people died in WW2 because they believed a lie. The willingness to die for a cause is not evidence for the validity of that cause.

@edblough4134

Ай бұрын

@@PaulHaigh072 a lot of people have done impulsive suicidal things but the disciples were not impulsive nor suicidal they were horribly killed because they taught the world about Jesus.

@andrewman178

Ай бұрын

People were willing to surrender all their worldly possessions and pleasures because they were inspired by the Buddha, but I doubt he actually conquered a supposed cycle of reincarnation. Most of the New Testament was written decades after Jesus was executed, drawn from oral traditions about Jesus' life that were exaggerated or invented as they spread from person to person. Stories about martyrs grow and change the same way, just like how the Roman emperors barely noticed Christians until Diocletian organized a specifically anti-Christian persecution. The Romans killed people for disrespecting the Emperor and the Roman gods, not for being Christian, and there were many groups besides Christians who the Romans went after.

@MarieIsHere-rg3bv

Ай бұрын

@@edblough4134 So were the followers of every religion. This doesn't make religions true. You make a false dichotomy between these disciples willing martyrdom and Christianity being a lie. Could they not have just been mistaken in their faith as, presumably, you believe Jain, Buddhist and Sikh martyrs to have been?

Two questions: did he have a Bris (circumcision): When he was 13, did he have a Bar Mitzvah?

@babyboomerang8595

26 күн бұрын

Yes and yes.

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

24 күн бұрын

@@babyboomerang8595 No - according Bible he had it as infant, not as teenager.

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

24 күн бұрын

If you believe gospels then he had - but as infant, not at age 13.

@babyboomerang8595

23 күн бұрын

@@pendragonsxskywalkers9518 ?! Maybe read the OP again! Carefully!

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

22 күн бұрын

@@babyboomerang8595 OP asked wheter Jesus had procdeure when he was 13. I answered - yes, he had, but not at 13.

Whens the easter bunny episode?

The only History Hit video I’ve ever disliked

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

Ай бұрын

Why?

He was ”only” a carpenter so there wouldn’t be any artefacts. Err, I thought he was the son of god, why wouldn’t there be artefacts. Followers would treasure any of his stuff. It would be venerated. And don’t give me that eye-of-a-needle shit, they knew how to make a shekel. So people who are tasked to spread the word don’t mention him for two decades and that’s a “good chance he was real”. And the occupying force who castigated him ultimately to his death didn’t mention him for over a century?

@LeandroCapstick

Ай бұрын

Well, if you believe the countless relics that Catholic and Orthodox venerate, then there is archaeological evidence of him.

@Sameeer_Saker

Ай бұрын

Even if we assume that he only got popular after death, there's no chance people wouldn't worship every wooden door Jesus made.

@pirththee

Ай бұрын

@@LeandroCapstick The Escorial in Spain has the largest collection in the world. They have tours. Faith might move mountains but trust me you want to take the bus up that mountain to see it.

@Dusk.EighthLegion

Ай бұрын

@@pirththee Hell will freeze over before faith moves mountains.

@iainrendle7989

Ай бұрын

How do you know his disciples only mentioned him after 2 decades.....you do realise that they like 98% of the population were illiterate, even most of the priests spoke the Torah from having it drilled in to them rather than actually reading it. Why do you think that the first gospels were writen in Greek, rather than their native tongue? Have you studied Romes history, or how Europe, the Levant, Asia Minor and North Africa imploded post the fall of Rome and the impact that had economically, educationally, society wise, return of segration and isolation, and tribe/clan politics. How much of what was writen do you think survived over the next 400-900 years, and what did survive how much is actually the original unbastardised versions. How many original copies of Harry Potter book 1 will still exist in 900 years, and what will future people make of it, now put a world cataclysm in the middle, whereby all computers and storage devices died, over that period 90% of us were not educated, electricity was not available, and therefore places to safely store documents correctly did not exist......now how many copies would still exist. That is exactly what the dark ages were, and the impact what documents remained, let alone still remains was the loss of probably 99%+ of all records made.

About 24 hours left to watch "Digging Up the Bible #18: Even More Archaeological Evidence for Jesus and His Life" (one of the CrossExamined videos)

@SleepyObi

Ай бұрын

Look up Titus Kennedy. This is what he does, he is a biblical historian

Follow The Shoe!

An "...expert on Jesus" ???

@422katieleigh

Ай бұрын

Yes there are experts on lots of historical figures.

@user-xm4ep1rl1j

Ай бұрын

@@422katieleigh The Archbishop of Canterbury? The Pope of Rome?

@422katieleigh

Ай бұрын

@@user-xm4ep1rl1j They are religious leaders, not historical experts

@PaulHaigh072

Ай бұрын

Professor of divinity.

@user-xm4ep1rl1j

Ай бұрын

@@422katieleigh If you don't know Jesus' religion - you can't know Jesus. Go back to the beginning and start over.

Will they speak about Santa Klaus and Mrs. Klaus next? Jesus may have existed we don't know for sure but if he did he defintiely wasn't the son of god and god doesn't exist. Also in other news beware of Zues's lightening bolts. Jesus was a prophet? Where's the science that people can predict the future. Wait I think I'm having a premonition of the future too nevermind.

@pendragonsxskywalkers9518

Ай бұрын

You cannot know wheter God exist or not. None can. And she wasn't talking about Jesus as God, but as historical figure. If you agree he might exist, what is your problem? She nowhere tells you to belive he was deity.

Pretty lightweight "analysis". Even a critical historicist knows that the Gospels are not historical documents. The only question is how much fiction is there. Just taking the Gospels as the Gospel truth means this is not a critical look at the subject.

@TheLastAssaultman0351

Ай бұрын

There is a difference between stating that the gospels and the writings of Paul are divinely inspired, and the idea that they are historical documents. We don't believe that Achilles was an almost immortal, half god, but we do know that their was a city that was destroyed that was written about as Troy. We don't believe that Alexander the Great was the son of Zues, but we do belive he actually existed. Doubting the miracles of a text does not invalidate its historicity.

@johnobrien6415

Ай бұрын

@@TheLastAssaultman0351 I would not cite Troy as your historicity defense. There exist elements of Homer's story in a Sanskrit story/myth. The theory being that the story goes back to the people speaking proto-Indo-European. It predates Troy. Yeah, there maybe a few current events maybe inspired the person (or groups of people) to re-write the existing tale using local people and locations but seeing how they started with existing material to re-write the story to their own ends, historicity is not something you should be taking from the Gospels. I take skepticism that I feel is quite warranted. There are even phrases in Homer that are definitely pre-bronze age collapse and some that are post iron age. To casually call Homer historical is to plaster over a world of fictionalization. Euhemerization is the actual technical word used. She is engaging in what I believe is a common liberal Christian apologetic tactic. Bart Erhman definitely uses it. That is to come out and say you can't take everything in the bible literally (which is demonstrably true) and then, after admitting one or two details are provably wrong, take everything else as true. (I think they do that as a dig at fundamentalists. She is tacitly saying: don't be a fundy) She mentions the nativity story. There are two irreconcilable versions of the story. There are many details that are provably wrong. Then after all that, people like Bart Erhman say what you can "prove" is that Jesus was real and that he was from Nazareth because the story element of moving him from Nazareth to Bethlehem was awkward and that the only reason to include it was if it was true. Which is a real stretch. You go to the effort of showing at least 90% is fiction of a small section of the story and then just say the rest is true because you can't disprove everything with the same certainty. Yes, proving a negative is hard. That's why the big-name anti-historicist scholar merely gives odds for Jesus' existence. He admits up front there is no good method for knowing with certainty. And since I'm not a scholar, I just stick with skepticism. As I mentioned, there are elements borrowed from existing stories. The problem with mimesis criticism is that you can't prove all of it. It really is a matter of interpretation. However, some borrowings are more obvious than others. An example is in the story of Jesus turning water into wine there is an almost word for word borrowing from The Bacchae by Euripides. No, that doesn't prove it is all fiction, but that should be a reason to be skeptical. Religious texts are often made-up bullshit. We usually aren't as close to them as we are to Joseph Smith, so the evidence of the fraud has been erased by history. Like I said, the video was very superficial. What I gave as a superficial summary of some of the critical analysis you can find nowadays. This video was fluff. It didn't even go into the depth I did with this comment.

Brian called and said he just wants to be left alone. As good an explanation for the Jesus myth as any.