Ex-Harlem Drug Dealer Roger Bonds on Why He Wasn't Surprised Alpo Killed Rich Porter (Part 1)
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Part 2: • Roger Bonds on Survivi...
Roger Bonds sat down for his first-ever VladTV interview, and Shawn Prez started off speaking about their longstanding friendship. Roger started off speaking about growing up in Harlem on 155th Street, and he explained that his parents had five kids between them. Roger added that his life began when he was 12 and realized that his father wasn’t coming home, which led to him getting heavy in the street life. Shawn pointed out that Roger was known as a “thorough street dude,” and Roger went on to speak about having a rough time when he was living with his parents in the home. He added that this led to him wanting to be out of the home and in the streets.
Moving along, Roger talked about growing up in the Polo Grounds projects during the crack era before explaining his fascination with gun culture. Roger reveals that he earned his name "Bonds" do to his proficiency with a firearm and his admiration for the famous James Bond character. This prompts his long-time friend, Shawn Prez, to admit that even he didn't know Bonds wasn't his real name. Moving along, Roger talks looks back on his days as a drug dealer before sharing some of the tactics that he used to lead his crew. Lastly, Roger spoke about knowing Rich Porter and Alpo Martinez, who he pointed out were in high school when they were getting big money in the streets. When asked about Rich Porter's death, Roger revealed that he was locked up when he heard the news, and he added that he wasn't surprised when he heard that Alpo was behind his death.
Interview by: Shawn Prez
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@Beenwiththevibe
Жыл бұрын
Cool interview had me interested but I’m not subscribing
@tyvonfrazier9266
Жыл бұрын
That introduction doe well said playboi~☆
@AnonymousanonymousA
Жыл бұрын
Bro interview Jada Kiss
I had both parents and both were unemotional non attached and abusive both verbally and mentally, my mom is a food and gambling addict my father was a alcoholic. I would of been much better off with one or the other but you don’t get to choose your situation. I just go to therapy and pray for patience and the ability to correct my mistakes in the future.
@RowDy2Times
Жыл бұрын
Salute 🫡💯
@davidwight5544
Жыл бұрын
Arnt we all food addicts?
@lisayourbeautifulenterpris2128
11 ай бұрын
I Feel You!!… 💯
He nailed that about having two parents in an unhealthy environment
@jayworship2724
Жыл бұрын
Facts! Your environment plays a more pivotal role in influencing a person
@oldazzrapperwithskills9286
Жыл бұрын
Big facts. It don't mean you grew up good cause you had both parents at home
@stevenallen1567
Жыл бұрын
on god he gave shawn a whole new prosective on that.
@tonycoleman21
Жыл бұрын
Been there. It's a different education
@llw53one
Жыл бұрын
Yes he did!
Prez be mad extra on the introductions 😂 😂
That intro was spot on bro. Bonds is one of the realest and most humble dudes I’ve ever met. Same dude today that he was when I met him. Salute to the OG.
Perfectly said about parents staying together for the children's sake and all they did was create mental instability in a child's mind!
Vlad punchn the air that he never got the ALPO interview!😂
@cedricbeard4609
Жыл бұрын
Should’ve paid him some real money 🤷🏽♂️
@maiamckinney4180
6 ай бұрын
And Alpo died before he gave an interview and got no bread!
Like how my man articulate his words. Really painting the picture
Finally someone who was actually apart of that era in Harlem whose not saying what everyone else is saying. Glad to hear a new prospective on this subject and he kept it real. Everyone else seems to dck ride Rich and the entire Paid in Full story.
@chuckdizzle3739
Жыл бұрын
@Caribbean Ín The House that sounds like a good time
@marvinhagler4721
Жыл бұрын
@Caribbean Ín The House You must be from NYC...in The DMV...it wasnt EXACTLY that way back then in MY town
@marvinhagler4721
Жыл бұрын
@Caribbean Ín The House Ok cool..every area did things theryre way..PEACE...
@Saveyourbs
Жыл бұрын
@Caribbean Ín The House 🧢
@kiasunray
Жыл бұрын
@@marvinhagler4721 Where you from in DC?
I was not expecting his voice to sound like that 🤣
@Cesario561Fla
Жыл бұрын
That’s gay
@johnnymartinez305
Жыл бұрын
💀
@dr_1758
Жыл бұрын
same 🤣🤣🤣
@007JNR
6 ай бұрын
How you like your men to sound?
This one of the better Vlad interviews I saw in a good while! Good stuff
Met him personally this is a real straight up man,he is a good person 💯💯💯💯💯♥️
It’s astounding how people can think that having two parents automatically means you had a better upbringing. Smfh
@oldazzrapperwithskills9286
Жыл бұрын
Fact's
@thedolphe
Жыл бұрын
Agree 100% Especially if they are beefing all of the time.
@just908blaze1
Жыл бұрын
@@thedolphe that part!
@That_one_introvert.
Жыл бұрын
Because two is better than one or none.
@just908blaze1
Жыл бұрын
@@That_one_introvert. not if their abusive drug addicts? Or do you think that is an environment for children to thrive in? Or if they are being abused? Your statement isn’t valid…
Man Shawn really got great at this🔥🔥 Great interviewer been in his bag since the Joc videos
@vladtv
Жыл бұрын
yup
@919kanee
Жыл бұрын
@BLACK BULL 😮BRO DONT SAY THAT PLEASE DONT SAY THAT EVER AGAIN PLEASE ❗️❗️❗️❗️ NO NO NO HELLLLLL NO NO NO NO NO I’m sure she’s a great person I fw her vibes right but Fam Shes ruining CLASSICSSSS I always have to turn off the video😞
@alpizzle2963
Жыл бұрын
@BLACK BULL nah she's just a fan i could do without her
@MikeJones-cg7no
Жыл бұрын
Facts
@reallyfe8045
Жыл бұрын
The chick acts more like a fan than an interviewer…
Bonds is like all the older brothers that I grew up with in NYC. I aint know bonds. Definitely seen him in Harlem before, but my older mans knew him and all the young boys that were getting money in Harlem in the 80s and early 90s. I say that to say this: We gotta stop glorifying calling these types heroes. They are not heros or to be admired. They are the vessels that were used to destroy generations of black people. Yeah, it's really just that simple. I was around all of this shit. These are not heroes. No disrespect to Bonds or none of them. But we gotta be honest.
@elwinjohnson4004
Жыл бұрын
Straight up brother
@1300mikehoward
Жыл бұрын
They sacrificed people who looked just like them for a few dollars and incarceration..... Sad
@realityme
Жыл бұрын
@@elwinjohnson4004 Respect!
@realityme
Жыл бұрын
@@1300mikehoward Sad facts!
@derricktorreyjr9478
Жыл бұрын
U TELLIN THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH
He's absolutely right it's always over money or a broad 😩🤦♂️ dam I felt that
@thesage90
Жыл бұрын
He forgot jealousy
@mrs.trecia
Жыл бұрын
1
@alijordanx8954
Жыл бұрын
That situation in Houston what they was beefing about? Rollin dice and somebody was loosing money & started acting all sensitive RIP Takeoff
@giffymoney3832
Жыл бұрын
@@thesage90 No he didn’t. Money and broads…that’s literally the jealousy in a nutshell or at the very least where it comes from in the streets… Niggas either jealous because you getting as much/more money than them or because u got the broad they want to holla at, they want ya girl, or females give u too much attention and not them. “Money or broads” ( jealousy)
@josiahmitchell8594
Жыл бұрын
@@thesage90 Jealousy over money or a woman
Big Bonds! I grew up in the PG's (Bldg 1). We was all younger and Bonds was like a mentor to us. I can testify 100% Bonds was a real.I will always appreciate this man. .
When he said guys from their own crew were taking each other out, I can’t help but think of NFL Big L and his brothers crew. Harlem ain’t no joke, as well as any inner city engulfed in street life.
@jimbo9661
Жыл бұрын
Harlem til this day known for that
That was one helluva intro. I'm locked in for all this just off that! If it ain't a Glad interview, it's Prez
Goes to show you, don’t share women with your homeboy and don’t do any business. Just be friends and watch each other’s back. Would be no need or feelings of killing each other.
@quanbrooklynkid7776
Жыл бұрын
Yea
@r0mediddy
Жыл бұрын
@Real Ryte that’s true. But your opps killing you is one thing. Your mans tho?
@GuNStArHeRo212
Жыл бұрын
Well said bro.
@kingman1866
Жыл бұрын
Most these niggas be friends because they make money off each other the streets full of users
i'm tuned all da way in to this i-view damn when he said that about that Picture now that's sum of the realest & deepest shit I've heard in a minute but also so Real & truthful!
Thank you for explaining how a household with 2 parents can be. Its not always a healthy and emotionally stable situation especially for kids.
This dude knows how to communicate with hood details. Thorough answers
@socomplex2994
Жыл бұрын
Incredible!
Vlad makes his money off showing the negative side of the black community. He doesn’t share the negative side of the Jewish community.
@wes209
Жыл бұрын
Because you people don't care about the negative side of jewish folk. You wouldn't even watch. But here you are slurping up ghetto filth out the gutter. You love it. ❤️
@godscience7821
Жыл бұрын
Of course not they are perfect lol. I personally never met a human that’s perfect but ya know their bs
@godscience7821
Жыл бұрын
Of course not they are perfect lol. I personally never met a human that’s perfect but ya know their bs
@perchit4214
Жыл бұрын
Well Jewish people don’t kill each other and sell drugs and don’t care about that shit and black people sell drugs and kill people and they love shit like that so they watch shit like this.
@godscience7821
Жыл бұрын
@@perchit4214 yeah they do and they were involved in the slave trade. And you right they really don’t murder each other hitler didn’t get a chance to program them to hate themselves but they murder others. So ….. how are you holy if you push this to other cultures. Actually your no better than a hitler.
Prez is my favorite interviewer. It don't be feeling like an interview, just conversations with old friends...
@harrywilliams1164
Жыл бұрын
That’s what this is!
A year later we still talk about Alpo after his death,bro’s legacy is definitely sum else😂
@WavyFleaJay
Жыл бұрын
tomorrow his 1 year death anniversary so expect more flashbacks etc.
@six3reggie
Жыл бұрын
A sad legacy but R.I.P. Everyone deserves to grow old.
@jerodjones1715
Жыл бұрын
Yeah the real life hood scarfaces. Alpo ,Rich Big Meech and alot of unknowns. The street Fiction street moves wasn't close to how these katts was moving . So law enforcement job was to know the players,and they let them play. Nikki Barns and Lukus that era they wasn't dropping enough bodies so they had to go. They let the young niggas reek havoc on the community.
@Ariez___
Жыл бұрын
@BLACK BULL yes he is goofy
@chiefwallstreet8963
Жыл бұрын
Only to New York
Vlad probably told Prez make sure you talk about Alpo and Rich Porter 😂
This going to be a blockbuster interview right here I’m glad prez is doing it and not that girl
I love Harlem stories. NYC stories..❤
@yo3rdtier128
Жыл бұрын
I don’t … NY ain’t ‘ish! and Harlem ain’t ‘ish!
@dubreil07
Жыл бұрын
@@yo3rdtier128 but you’re watching this video from your country trailer park
@wizkid8205
Жыл бұрын
@@yo3rdtier128 go chase a squirrel or something cow milker
@GodsMadeMan
Жыл бұрын
@@yo3rdtier128 why are you such a hater ?
@militantsloth9765
Жыл бұрын
@@yo3rdtier128 Ok why are you watching this lol 🤣
This was a good interview, them Harlem stories have you thinking way back… Epic………
Folk said everybody in the picture dead But the crazy thing is each person was killed by someone also in the same picture... Backdoor each other x 15 🤯 Harlem shady af kid
@justojuggavelli
Жыл бұрын
Some real foul niggas on dem ends 😂
@MoonLitFRANK
Жыл бұрын
Definitely ain't about no pink clothes in Harlem. Shit been grimey for decades.
Great interview. 🫡 Bonds
*Whoever's reading this, i pray that whatever you are going through gets better and whatever you're struggling with or worrying about is going to be fine and that everyone has a fantastic day ❤🔥*
@DooleyDaKidd239
Жыл бұрын
Thank you 🙏🏿
@RDouble745
Жыл бұрын
🙏🏽
@TroyRamseyyy
Жыл бұрын
TY! 🙏
@BeenosWorld
Жыл бұрын
Give Thanks You As Well
@getmoney8751
Жыл бұрын
Thanks bruh hope you get plenty of Ho3s today
That 6 people in the picture line hit hard when you realize for one person to be alive that would mean everyone caught a body. Or one person had multiple body’s and the people they killed didn’t have any.
@donaldrobins580
Жыл бұрын
That's dumb. How you come up with that?? 🤣🤣 You thinking way too hard my guy.
@HALLgang
Жыл бұрын
@@donaldrobins580 you ain’t thinking hard enough 🧏🏾♂️
@donaldrobins580
Жыл бұрын
It's 6 people and only one survived. Everyone who got killed the in the picture got killed by someone else in the picture. For example, #1 killed #2. #3 killed #1. #4 killed #3. #5 killed #4. And last but not least....#6 killed #5 That leaves #6. Nobody had to have multiple bodies for that to happen.
@donaldrobins580
Жыл бұрын
@@HALLgang no nigga it's simple...you just thinking too hard 🤣
@donaldrobins580
Жыл бұрын
Nigga literally everything you said is wrong. How tf does that mean everyone had to catch a body? Please explain what's goin through your mind lol
This kid blew that "happy 2 parent home" myth into a million pieces.
Highly respectful introduction
Real shit right here! Good interview.....props!
Everything is always on the father.
What he said about the 6 in the pic and 5 being killed by one another in the pic is one of the illest things I ever heard in the game.. pictures can become mystical when you deal in death
Calling someone who sold poison to his own people an incredible person is CRAZY to me. What about the families and black lives that was forever broken and destroyed because of the poison? I’m sure he’s a good friend to some but relax
@millrock78
Жыл бұрын
I was thinking the same thing.
@TheOne-bh9oo
Жыл бұрын
Welcome to the crazy culture
@roushkane3215
Жыл бұрын
they was gonna get the poison anyway. get ya sensitive weak minded selves on 😂
@brandnew2016
Жыл бұрын
The interviewer is super Lame. You can tell he comes from the VLad tree.
@kawakajalil8008
Жыл бұрын
A lot got caught up in that because we didn't know any better. A lot came into knowledge and is doing better. I don't know this dude so I'm speaking generally
His story is no different from the other drug dealers the only difference is the faces
@ChainSwanginSampson
Жыл бұрын
Facts I’m Ready For The FBI To Do A Interview An Tell Us How They Came Up With This Risky Game🤣💯
@mitchrapp412
Жыл бұрын
This comment is no different from the other hater comments on youtube no difference
@edwardwheeler197
Жыл бұрын
@@ChainSwanginSampson 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
that picture reference at the end hit me hard.
@pocahantasmillian
Жыл бұрын
Facts! Deepest part of the interview
That thing about having mom and dad is deep
First time hearing of the brother but damn I can relate to his perspective
You can come from any household and still go left....
@demsandlibsareswinecancer4667
Жыл бұрын
What he just admitted here was that even though he had a father in the home, he didn't actually have a father in the home. Turns out in order to be a father you have to do more than just come home at night after banging your wife's sister. He didn't come from a two-parent household, he came from a one-parent household where a dude came home and slept each night until he got tired of it. Get real bro. You're right in one way but this guy isn't the example of it. This guy is the exact example of a broken home and the effects of it.
Yo that introduction made my dog go nuts
It’s sad to hear him say “I was only coming home because my father was there” …”the day my father stopped coming home I took to the streets” The system is designed to separate fathers from families in the black community. You take the man out the house/put him in jail or prison just so a woman has to raise her kids alone and if not by the grandparents. On top of that they push alcohol, drugs and guns into our lower income communities and let it all play out! Much respect to everyone in the struggle
@mikehunt6160
Жыл бұрын
Yeah don't blame the fathers for committing crimes. Plenty of black men are there for there kids because they aren't scumbag criminals mr. crab in a bucket.
@johnrowe6414
Жыл бұрын
facts
@barryscott1160
Жыл бұрын
Real rap
@BuddaGheeski
Жыл бұрын
Yeah but that doesn't take away the fact that we know right from wrong
@Jtevkicksandcards
Жыл бұрын
Who is they?
This brother looks fimilar I'm a Harlem nite too salute to all the brothers that made it out the streets alive Harlem stand up
What a hell of a introduction lol
Yoooo!!! This is my homeboy Brother. Salute to the Bro Roger Bonds and my homie Pri
In 2 months he going to have his own podcast it never fails
Not having his father during his adolescence definitely plays a role. The age he said you start feeling yourself
That's dope‼️James bonds‼️ Word‼️💯
good interview
I guess he couldn't call himself Bond for copywrite purposes so he added the S at the end. 🤣. But a really interesting story ,I'm excited for the next clip to upload
My boy fanned out!😂😎 U got me wanting this dude a my friend 2!
Great questions great answers.
Man has a pic of 6 people. Only one alive today. Everyone in the pic died from someone in the pic. I swear he just told us he killed the last man in the pic. He keeps it cause he's in it. Didn't go over my head.
We need to hear a Dowop interview!!!. Make that happen Glad!!!
@honorrespect5106
Жыл бұрын
Gotta make that happen !!!!!!!
@mansamusa9465
Жыл бұрын
He has a documentary on You Tube called DoWop Harlem Legend
@VinceMediaTV
Жыл бұрын
@@mansamusa9465 I’ll check it out! Thanks
Deep interview!!!
Very good interview
He survived the Harlem that was more dangerous than these young driller in Chicago days because hustling then was a chess game. Today it is checkers and pawns getting knocked off.
What he said about everybody in the picture being dead except one person. It's so true. Same thing happened to death row. There was a picture of a lot of the guys around death row circulating in just about all of them are dead or in jail. But this happens in hoods all over the world. It's always people that you are supposed to be besties with that do you in .
@newbiz3496
Жыл бұрын
niggas have fallouts..and with fallouts situations piles up to the point guns come to play which leads to death..shit all it takes for one out the group to kill anothr..then everybody pick sides and now the war on..alot of people hang with relatives mixed in with niggas from they neighborhood who also have family within the crew.. so majority of the time family picking family
Never heard of dude but I can tell this about to be one of them ones💯
When he said project dweller , I completely felt sun being from NYCHA myself.
Good interview
Shawn Prez do a good job at interviewing 💯💯💪🏽 soon he might have to just start his own podcast/interviews
@KingJamesKingChaos
Жыл бұрын
Dude, we don't NEED ANY MORE PODCASTS, from ANYONE 🤦🏽♂️
@isaiah3300
Жыл бұрын
@@KingJamesKingChaos yes we do , & your gonna tune in 💯🧐🤣🤣 I’ll see u in that podcasts comments
A lot of ppl was saying “It’s bout time they took Alpo The Rat out” but Alpo didn’t die because he killed Rich Porter!! Believe it or not that man had the same RESPECT in the streets that he had before going in. There were still heavy hitters that came up wit Po still fucking wit him
The picture story got me tuned in.... 💯💯
That was one helluva intro
James BOND* NOT BONDS 😂
@KHP313
Жыл бұрын
Right
I'm glad he cleared that up... Just because you have two parents in the house doesn't mean everything is peaches and cream... That's one of the biggest misconceptions about the black family...
@christoner2666
Жыл бұрын
Really not. That's called life. Weak ass
@RellyPendergrass
Жыл бұрын
Real rap.. if you not doing the work as a parent, you just a physical presence.
@brooklynzoo1838
Жыл бұрын
Facts bro
@mauriceheard1335
Жыл бұрын
True
@demsandlibsareswinecancer4667
Жыл бұрын
Well you know what they say? Once you go black, you're a single mother. Even if the dude that banged you comes home at night because he has nowhere else to go.
This a Dope interview
I find saying James bond with an s on the end is super hillarious!
It's funny, they constantly rattle on about the influence of raps on black and brown youth...but what's often ignored is the influence of movies, like scarface and others on perverting the minds of so many young and impressionable black and brown ppl. Everytime u hear these guys interview, they always mention how their gangs or degenerate style came from watching some movie
“6 people in that picture are dead except one person but each person that picture was killed by someone in that picture.” That hit different.
@kwabenotate9955
Жыл бұрын
Hit different for REAL
@m.perial_feeze
Жыл бұрын
That's tough
@MikeJones-cg7no
Жыл бұрын
Facts
@jimmytobar6065
Жыл бұрын
@@RevealedFilms 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Yooooo Roger never thought I’d see this yeeeeeeeeah💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽💪🏽🔥
Wow I can relate.. sooooooooooooooooooo much.. right on point
Proper interview. We Brooklyn support it. I'm 51 n i can say, halem was da flyest cats on da planet. We Brooklyn cats get n got fly but halem took it overboard wit it. So bless dem halem boys also
Excellent interview! Both men! This dude explains himself well......not surprising from a NY Cat, but excellent nonetheless!
This is the most New York interview I’ve ever seen.
Ohhhh this gonna be good shout out my dude Bonds Harlem in the Building
Alpo was full of himself and Loved the spotlight too much for his own good. He always wanted to be the Top dog & Rich was shining harder
@kwabenotate9955
Жыл бұрын
BIG FACTS,RICH WAS MORE OFFICIAL THAN ALPO BY FAR
The cook-up was like butter, kept me high for days.🤯
that six person photograph is chilling
"James Bonds", make me think of that Key and Peele skit
I watched the Polo Grounds get built. I remember when it was the abandoned stadium and was called Hobo Town . It turned into a very dangerous place and even though I grew up right next to it in Colonial on 159th street there was clearly a big difference between the two developments
@ronaldbailey8676
Жыл бұрын
I see you use the name Muhammad you grew uptown I was born on 116 and 117 on park Ave in Spanish Harlem I was told as little boy don't go to Lenox Ave on 116st. The temple 7 was there under Malcom x and latter on I joined the nation of Islam under Elijah Muhammad and I used to see brothers from nation in customs made f.o.i. uniforms with Dimond rings at the conventions and saviors day and I was young and stupid in the nation cause I would say to myself those brothers must be selling a lot of Muhammad speaks and bean pies yeah right those brothers were gangsters temple 25 in Newark and temple 12 in Philadelphia so don't be surprised or so self righous what others are doing the nation was built on dirty money let keep it real
@victormuhammad1393
Жыл бұрын
@@ronaldbailey8676 The nation wasn’t built on dirty money . Those were just some dirty men. As for Muhammad it is a family name. I’m not using a name. Muhammad in Africa and the east is as common as smith and jones. And you are talking about one thing and I’m merely pointing out I lived in Colonial before the Polo Grounds was built. All that other extra shit you talking about is before my time and I don’t care about at all
@petej7002
Жыл бұрын
Pologoundd got built in like 68
@ray1love1
Жыл бұрын
@@ronaldbailey8676 you dont know wat you talking about
@ronaldbailey8676
Жыл бұрын
@@ray1love1 I don't ask anyone who really knows about temple #25 and temple #12 under Jeremiah Shabazz if I don't know you really really don't know and you volunteer to be blind
Young Black Father's stand TF up
Ok now I can give Shawn his flowers. He really bring something different to GladTv 🌹
It all starts with Do Wop & L.A
@mansamusa9465
Жыл бұрын
💯
@xandermarley8552
Жыл бұрын
@@mansamusa9465 ….although the argument can be made that do Wop knew Craig O b4 L.A as young kids. It’s debatable
Roger bonds never disappoint his fans talking about lapo
Truest sense of the word brother says you share a parent or two 😂
This was one of the better interview clips from Vlad channel in recent history 4 Sho. Shout to Prez. I like your style much better than Vlad.
DoWop and John John had a legendary war in Harlem, DoWop came up on top, DoWop was the first with bullet proof hats, t shirts, and whips
@lethallipppz6912
Жыл бұрын
Facts
He know how to interview people and ask the right questions..martian family on yt 👽👽👽👽
My ear trained to hear Vlad for these interviews…I gotta get used to Prez man
He mentioned Alpo name and said "we still friends." Meanwhile, the news saying he died. LoL. LoL.
Translation: Back in the 1980s the Drug Dealer was a MAJOR EMPLOYER of young people in the HHOODD! 5:15
Need that Dowop interview
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He was the biggest
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@@mansamusa9465 and the youngest
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That first part says it all. When I had no father home to tell me what to do. That's when i went to the streets. Mom couldn't tell me nothing. We need two family households.