Can’t believe that even the citizens were dark and girty at one point. 😔

@cac_deadlyrang

Жыл бұрын

darko ando guriti

@mercce6750

Жыл бұрын

Dark and Griddy

@Plasmatic5150

Жыл бұрын

@@mercce6750 GORDON! HIT THE GRIDDY GORDON!

@dusanrakic5955

Жыл бұрын

Dank and gurdy

@diehardsleeper2262

Жыл бұрын

​@@mercce6750 bruh hitting the mcgriddy

I would've liked to see a character like Samuel in the retail version, a nice introduction to the story he probably would've been

@Sodaholic6502

Жыл бұрын

I feel like it might've been too on-the-nose and expository.

@AdrianRojasF

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I think the "the fuck am i" we get in the game works better

“Citizen reskins have always seemed like a strange case to me.” - Great Blue probably -Fixed accuracy -Updated localization files

For real, I know "dark and gritty" is a meme in the beta community, but IMO the suppression field is SO much darker as a concept then child labor. I know child slaves is very "oh wow, very nightmare" but the fact that in retail the generation you see was supposed to be the LAST generation, I feel is just much more disturbing because at least child slaves can be freed, but the last generation? Knowing that every citizen turned to the combine or killed had no replacement? its like every death is just one more -1 to humanity's shrinking population.

@TM__1566

Жыл бұрын

Tbh the retail game is just as if not darker than the beta, just that it's more subtle instead of being too on the nose about it

@paris-1911

Жыл бұрын

The feeling I get from the suppression field is hopelessness - borderline nihilism. It’s like you said, every death humanity suffers is permanent and the populous is just ever decreasing, with no way to recover those losses. Eventually, they’ll just go extinct. well, atleast until the orange man puts a stop to that with his crowbar

@GermanPeter

Жыл бұрын

@@TM__1566 HL2 Beta is comically dark in that regard. "Hey how do we convey the world is bleak?" -"Uhhh they replaced the air with poison and there are child slaves and everything is literally dark" Meanwhile, retail HL2 is just bleak in a more realistic sense. People can survive just fine, but they can't LIVE. And what makes this worse is that its world is actually uncomfortably close to how dictatorships in certain countries were like (and still are). You don't need for everyone to wear gas masks in order to make their lives miserable.

@RodinRaskol

Жыл бұрын

Child slavery is horrible, but it gives humanity more hope. The suppression field is almost hopeless.

@erosthespy

Жыл бұрын

I'd say there's a bit of a larger difference than just child slavery. It's clear Valve had different intentions for suppressing humanity. Beta seems to have more methods that came out of 1984 (Manhack arcade, complete global air pollution, etc.), while retail just focuses on keeping the last generation of humans alive until they aren't. I don't mind the subtlety Valve went for, but it doesn't disturb me imo. Maybe the uncertainty of humanity isn't my thing. But the monotonous brain-rot society that's bound to stay for years is what personally gets me. If Valve really did take some influences from 1984 then I could not imagine some of the horrid living conditions if Valve had more time to flesh out the beta. I wrote this while extremely tired so hopefully it's understandable.

Always been a fan of the retail design being based on the outer class from 1984, but the original gas mask design is still cool

7:25 I have no doubt in my mind that this map was supposed to be used as reference for Combine propaganda, in the TF2 leak we learned that the achievement icons were made by drawing over references made using the mercenary models, and that would've most likely been the case for this odd map, but because Breen's suit gives off more of a rich snob vibe as opposed to a bastard politican, it's probably why his head model is attached to Gman's body, and along with the children it was probably meant to make Breen look like someone that cares for earth's children, like you know, business men do with the environment

I wish Half-Life 2 and its episodes would have different normal zombie variants, because the normal zombie is the tan shirted refugee. It would be cool if there was citizen variant, rebel variant and medic variant. I think there's an addon for Gmod about this.

@fantastikboom1094

Жыл бұрын

Actually there is addon for Gmod. It's called "Sabre-aN's Headcrab Zombie Mod". Also there is "Sabrean's Headcrab Zombie Mod Hexed Model Pack", but I'm not sure if it's needed.

I remember that some Polish tv station were ranting about game violence, and there was half life 2 beta footage shown for some reason

7:30 originally, Gman's head was gonna be used on Breen because one of the valve artist or something, so there's a chance the same might have been wice versa (Breen's head on Gman's body) or just like you said, a placeholder

very interesting to see how they evolved through the beta

Hey rad, I did a deep dive into that map you talk about at 8:12 not too long ago, it's called the rustic shipyard, hit me up sometime and I'll tell you everything I know about it if you want

The videos from the 2002 Beta didn't simply resurfaced on the internet! They were actually given away by Valve themselves for anyone who pre-ordered the game! I have these discs at home, somewhere. I used to show and bother everybody I could to watch those videos over and over with me, because it was just unbelievable how amazing everything looked and how amazing of a technological jump the game was at the time.

Considering how much Portal 1 reused HL2 assets, is it possible that Chell's jumpsuit was at least inspired by the orange citizen gear? Also, for the future, it'd be nice if you could show side-by-side comparisons between models. Just showing the previous one and then the new one next to it would be great. Because half of these looked identical to me at first glance.

@RadiationHazardYT

Жыл бұрын

Might be the case with the orange suit. And sure! I was supposed to do it in this video but I... Well, edited it completely different than what I intended.

@RabdoInternetGuy

Жыл бұрын

Hey its german peter!

@ShadowSumac

6 ай бұрын

Chell reused leg springs from Combine Assassin, so its not out of the realm of possibility. But in general, I feel her costume was inspired by a prison robe.

The meshes for the early 2003 citizen clothes _(and I think)_ the orange collar citizen clothes got leaked recently, and people have been able to make more accurate restorations.

The docks screenshot is one of my favorite old pieces from the game. It was just so atmospheric, not to mention that the graphics were crazy good there somehow, considering its age. From what I gather, that was going to be part of the coast at some point. And, yes, well aware that HL2 was originally meant to show up at E3 2002, but Valve apparently pulled out in the last moment because they weren't satisfied with the game. Didn't help that the game would leak along with the WC map pack a year later, which truly lit up the fire under Valve's ass as up until that point they insisted the game was on schedule and will release in the fall of that year - only for the build to be clear proof of the contrary, with an unfinished and unstable engine, and not a single finalized level to be seen. It's amazing how much the game improved in a year and a half, which frankly, as unfortunate as it may have been for everyone involved, is perhaps good that the leak happened. I personally doubt the game would have been as good as it ended up being without the leak, as now everyone knew Valve lied to their face with a smile. They couldn't screw up a second time. It's similarly amazing just how many old assets dropped last year, so many pieces of the puzzle in the hands on the community now. That being said, there is a chance there probably won't be any more dumps in the future, as some of the community's biggest contributors have released all that they had available last year and at the start of this one. Unless more people from outside and former developers release more after their NDA expires, this is the best it gets.

@ShadowSumac

6 ай бұрын

I still hope for the leak concerning 1999-2000 period of development.

@proletariandreams69

6 ай бұрын

@@ShadowSumac The only problem is that during those years not a whole lot of content was made. This was more of an era of concepts, story experiments, and prototyping. If we are to get more content from the earliest days of development, there probably won't be much of it.

@ShadowSumac

6 ай бұрын

@@proletariandreams69 We don't know it for sure. We know, from the WC Mappack and texture transition file, that all major locations from "hyper" era (1999-2000) were prototyped to some degree. It would be more than enough to satisfy curiosity about earliest stages of development of HL2. I mean, earliest version of City 17 and Hyperborea, not to mention elusive Kraken Base and Weather Control, which we have like 0 materials about. Sounds like a majestic haul to me, even if there were only like 3-4 maps per location.

@proletariandreams69

6 ай бұрын

@@ShadowSumac I suppose I can see the point, I just don't expect much anyway, since we'd have to count on outside sources to get more stuff, as all resources from inside the community have been exhausted to my knowledge. PelPix released all that she had left early this year, for instance. But, Kraken and Weather Control are in fact elusive, since outside of the book, the former had like one or two maps in the mappack, fairly early works at that, while the latter has virtually no known content released. We also don't know much about how Kraken and WC were actually going to play like, as the book doesn't provide a lot of details. I'm curious what WC looked like in the earliest maps, assuming they exist.

@ShadowSumac

6 ай бұрын

@@proletariandreams69 Something is better than nothing, either way. I'd take even extremely basic WCS map over, well, nothing. At least it can serve as a beginning of the styleguide. Both Kraken Base and WCS had maps - we know it for a fact: WC Mappack has folders for those locations. We know names of developers who worked on them (and we know they DID work on them) and we have file outright mentioning specific textures for those maps for specific locations. What we have in WC Mappack is very incomplete. As for what we have in WC Mappack and a Leak - they are obviously incomplete. For example: we don't have earliest versions of Citadel from 2000, a lot of models, like earliest Combine Soldiers, we know there was a model for an Antlion King and more or less realized Sacktick enemy, so there are plenty of materials missing. And a lot of maps are missing as well, even from later stages of development. All in all HL2 Beta is an amazing treasure trove, but its far from complete.

2:09 This screenshot is odd. It looks like it came shortly after the leak but also before it, Victor Antonov’s style of the Combine architecture is slightly showing here. I’m blanking on the “Mr. Friendly” concept artist who deserves more credit for designing 90% of HL and HL2. But I think Valve went for a bolder look after the leak probably to really separate the game from what was designed previously. Anyone else know more?

I feel like we need a full beta release in line with the base HL2, like a beta and HL2 campaign being complete. It’ll pay respects to both the game and beta so it isn’t forgotten as well leads to more HL2 and HL mods.

@FR4M3Sharma

Жыл бұрын

RTBR Dark Interval Coterminus Beta Aesthetics

@sackcrusher6974

Жыл бұрын

@@FR4M3Sharma well completed mods lol, I adore these mods just want a completed one 😂

@FR4M3Sharma

Жыл бұрын

@@sackcrusher6974 That's the Valve curse you can't break.

@sackcrusher6974

Жыл бұрын

@@FR4M3Sharma I shall break it with my mod

@FR4M3Sharma

Жыл бұрын

​@@sackcrusher6974 _Good Luck Buddy, You're gonna need it._

Yo, dudes, The Combine is pretty chill. Maybe you could like.. join it or something!

@thehazardousmemer1746

Жыл бұрын

The benefactors are garbage,the rebels are where its at,change my mind.

@metropolicec1787

Жыл бұрын

i agree with the universal union

The cut worker's normal and Borealis variations both use the face texture from male_07! Only difference is that it's more faithful to the original man the face texture is from, having the odd-looking mustache and the same hairstyle as him.

The beta had many interesting concepts hopefully someone will make a proper hl2 beta mod

@proletariandreams69

Жыл бұрын

There's literally tons of them nowadays, albeit none of them finished yet. Dark Interval, Coterminus, and Raising the Bar Redux are the highest quality recreations available currently. There are also a bunch of older mods, but their quality is nowhere near as high, including Missing Information, Cremation, and Insolence.

@MacaqueStinx

Жыл бұрын

​@@proletariandreams69 tbf, Missing Info is a playable version of the e3 demo

@proletariandreams69

Жыл бұрын

@@MacaqueStinx Yes, it is, and features a recreated Borealis as its main selling point, built off of various levels from the WC map pack, polished and with proper gameplay added. It's also effectively dead, as after the failed launch on Steam, all signs indicate that the team lost interest and it just died a quiet death. Ready to be proven wrong any time, if more releases do see the daylight, but there are simply no signs pointing in that direction, rather, it's the opposite. MI was amazing for its time, there's no doubt about that. But frankly, we simply have much better mods available nowadays. DI Part 2 will hopefully release this year and the developers say Part 2 will be quite lengthy if all goes well, and RTBR Division 3 is also well into development now, following Div 2's release last Chrismas. We *might* hear more about CT this year as well, and the beta themed mod Outcast (not to be confused with a recreation, because it isn't. It's goals are entirely different from the rest of the crowd).

@MacaqueStinx

Жыл бұрын

@@proletariandreams69 It was the first beta mod I ever played, loved it back when it was still being worked on. Y'know what mod I miss? S-Mod 40-a, or the redux. That shit was so good.

@proletariandreams69

Жыл бұрын

@@MacaqueStinx Same. It's still one of my favorite recreations, too. Just too bad it was killed off, but as I said, what we have nowadays is simply magnitudes better. For all its things it got right, it simply didn't do nearly enough on its own, everything was based off of existing assets, and the Hyperborea's layout is a clear indication of this, it's pretty easy to get lost sometimes. Its recreated weapons were also neat. But the Steam release was never going to make it through, because MI was based off of leaked content directly, something that even decades later, Valve isn't happy about. It is true that DI and RTBR also use *some* leaked content, but nowhere near as much and as liberally as it does (DI is only limiting itself to bits which are fine and fit into the mod, for instance), and CT only uses leaked content as reference, but nothing is being used or based off directly. Had MI chosen a different route, perhaps its situation would be better these days, but its approach mostly sealed its fate, as after the failure of Steam, the team lost its interest. I miss SMOD as well, easily one of the best mods the community has ever pumped. Just too bad that after 40a it died as well, and as far as I'm aware, it's source is now also considered lost, prompting the creation of reverse-engineered efforts. It was way ahead of its time, and a testament to just how good HL2's gameplay really is with various enhancements, and a crazy arsenal, plus gore cranked all the way to 11.

The image with Breen and the kids looks like propaganda to me, may have been one of his Breencasts, where he talks about the child workforce and how they are furthering the human cause from an early age or something. You know how it goes with him. The suppression field must have been one of those "a wizard did it" explanations they came up with last second to remove the kids from the game after they had already publicized it, I actually like it, it makes sense to me, the Combine were systematically comitting genocide on humanity by turning us into machine-like things, having us kill each other and preventing us from creating another generation. The one thing I wish Valve did differently would be to actually show us where that suppression field is coming from, like a machine or something that we could glimpse, just to tie it all together. Given how abstract and brutalist Combine technology can be, maybe we _have_ seen the suppression field during our trip to the citadel, we just couldn't tell it apart from all of the hard edged monoliths all over the place.

4:13 I don't know how the leak would've affected the design in any way. I imagine they just changed it because they wanted it to look better. 6:32 HL: Alyx does reuse this concept. In the opening of the game, you can see green-suited engineers riding atop the construction striders. There's also yellow-suited hazmat workers, but you never encounter any alive. 7:47 I can't tell if it's just because of the lighting, but the citizen to the far right of the group looks headless.

@gustavodutra3633

Жыл бұрын

7:47 I zoomed in and that wasn't a citizen, it was a HEV Suit (item_suit) model (probably used as a placeholder).

In 2005, there was citizen named RadHaz.mdl he looked like gordon freeman

@RadiationHazardYT

Жыл бұрын

absolutely true, it was me

The blue citizen jumpsuits were inspired by the movie 1984. Also Breen's face was modelled after O'Brien, the antagonist of 1984 I just realized now even their names are similar

I can just imagine Gordon sliding across the floor with a camera in his hands for the b roll

The true citizen appreciates the comforts of a new Radiation Hazard video, but uses discresion.

This might be a weird take but I think the choice to use European architecture shows a lot more graphical complexity instead of the cubes that are American architecture

My Fav Cut Design is the E3 2002, I Like the Colors of the Clothes and the Uniforms Themselves, They Look Pretty Drip but the Final Version is the Best one because of How timeless it is, My Least Fav is the E3 2004 one TBH

Stenographers casm If you write anything bad about the combine, the guards push a button and the floor bellow you rotates in such a way that you fall to your demise.

@denifnaf5874

Жыл бұрын

And if you mess up badly enough then every person in your row also fall to their doom.

8:01 Best not be trying to start an ARG here boyo!

7:26 maybe there was supposed be a TV transmission (cbc tv3 sounds like a TV Chanel) were Breen would be with those kids wile a patriotic song played in the background to make some kind of combine propaganda -Also it's curious that we can see a citizen with his hands up in the air as if he was celebrating or trying to get freeman's attention.

A video about the backstory of the retail citizens would be interesting.

@mitkodimtrov3914

Жыл бұрын

I mean half Life alyx kinda helps

Thanks for the video, makes this saturday so much more comfy :3 I think I'll rewatch the beta series today)

i would have been cool to see some sort of worker type in the retail game and maybe some levels where you could see them doing weapon parts for combine or something else that would give more reasons for the universal union to keep them alive

@knockrotter9372

Жыл бұрын

in half life alyx there are the hazmat workers if that tickles your fancy at all

@metropolicec1787

Жыл бұрын

Sadly i havent got To play it yet since my pc is relic of the past

fordon greeman looking at children is the funniest thing ive seen today. this video made my day

Dark and Gritty with Gaben's head should be on a T-Shirt!

I love your channel and videos, keep up the good work Radiation!

GABE NEWELL WAS GOING TO ADD CHILD LABOUR!? WHAT AN ABSOLUTE MAD LAD LMAO

Thank you for the video! Hope you and your family are doing great

@RadiationHazardYT

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much :)

It's a me! a dark a gritty!

@RadiationHazardYT

Жыл бұрын

*wahooo*

8:10 this map was likely a mock-up made by valve for the press to use. its unlikely that a scene like this was ever actually intended for the game.

Videos like this show that I would enjoy the beta more than the actual game (These Models are very nice)

Yet again you've made a fantastic video about the beta uwu

I like my Half-Life 2 *_dark and gritty_* like a proper chad, thanks.

oh, more dark and gritty content.

4:10 The leak had nothing to do with the cutting of content in 2003; most of the files were content that was already scrapped. Combine OverWiki states: “The game didn't run on his computer, so he made some code changes to get it to run in a basic form. He only had the main development "trunk" of the game. They had many developed branches that he couldn't even begin to check them all out.” Gembe didn’t have the entire HL2 development repo, only the bases of it, and many of the nitty gritty models you see would get leaked much later, like the water cooler from the recent 2022 repo drop.

@cj-3810

Жыл бұрын

Plus why would textures change because of a leak; they were just transitioning to a new look

They really were gritty and dark

i like the worker uniforms in half life alyx, especially russell has the big drip

Be honest, Most concept design art of Hl2 beta is have many things is more interesting than retail version (2004) But one thing is . We could never get Half Life 3 in soon

The beta citizen dream about free TV.. The retail citizen dream about cheese.. Next time, think about that and how deep does this message is....

8:04 I'm not sure if those are hooks up there or people hanging from that crane in the background.

Fantastic as always. -Alex Stoupenkov

@fantastikboom1094

Жыл бұрын

🤨

I've been waiting for that video.

good video as always hazard!!!👍

hey radiation hazard. just want to say my favourite videos from you is. your evolution videos. I just like the evolution of different characters. OH and can you maybe make one with the Strider. the strider is one of my favourites :)

1:42 to note that is an early Kleiner model before they used Ted Cohrt’s face as a reference

great vid!

hit the dark griddy 🔥🔥😭

Thank you for providing very interesting content for such old game!

love your vids

New Rad Haz video about HL 2 beta? Easter came early this year! Dark and gritty! TM

Pretty close but there's some things that are off. 1. Gasmask citizens were out by mid-2001. This is evidenced by the fact that there are new citizen models referenced in 2001 maps (For example, aaron\c17_01_17.vmf has male2.mdl) 2. Samuel's model is not found in wastelandcitizen, he is just in the root models folder. 3. We actually *DO* have the orange collar model, but the fault for this model not being very known about falls on me. See, the model is, for some reason, sitting in the smd file for the breen bust model in the recent leaks. People tried to convince me that it came from the .max file, so I ask a peer who actually HAD the max files for HL2 to confirm, and they said that it wasn't, so I pushed back on the claim that this model was real for quite some time because they refused to admit that it was just from the smd. Honesty would have saved a whole lot of people a whole lot of stress here, but hindsight is 20/20, as they say. 4. We have the 2002 blue/green citizens now, which is pretty neat. There was only one male model with the mesh, but I remade the whole citizen lineup off of it a little while back. It's cool stuff, I actually love this model version. 5. We have the e3 2004 model now as well, thanks to the recent leaks. Frankly, the community's recreations were nearly one-to-one anyway, but it's neat to have the actual model. Fun fact, the corpse texture actually uses different pants and shoe textures than the original version. Couldn't tell you why, it's rather bizarre. 6. There is one more version of the citizens that existed between the e3 2004 model and the final model: In the famous blue eyed metrocop concept art, you can see citizens in the background that appear to be a hybrid between the E3 model and the final model. They no longer have the corsets on their backs, and the front of their shirts seem to be like retail. However, they still have the older pants, as evidenced by the back pockets, some of them still wear the fingerless gloves, and their backs still have the same wrinkles as the e3 counter-part. That's about all I got. Nice video.

@McKennedy23

Жыл бұрын

🤓

@bethanywhite247

Жыл бұрын

@@McKennedy23 this is the worst use of this i've seen before

@wolfcl0ck

Жыл бұрын

@@McKennedy23 You are forgiven for your sins.

@JoBot__

Жыл бұрын

@@McKennedy23 Cope.

this is bright and griddy

To be honest I find nothing off feeling about that people standing on the ship photo. If you think about it, the photo shows hope if nothing else. An almost black and white picture of abandoned and not in use ships, with people waving at the camera man, implying that this might have been a cut location in the game, where you would board a ship (somehow avoiding combine). Feels pretty "cheerful in times of despair" kind of way.

7:46 This image gives me constant "hl3 leak" vibes.

DARK AND GRITTY!

bro had a breakdown at 6:55 he had heard that there were kids in the beta so many times before and just lost it

combine overwiki my beloved

DARK AND GRITTY

_Dank and Gri-!_

good video. you should do evolution of the gravity gun in the future

while i honestly love all the versions and even think some look better than what we got, but frankly i dont think any fit the theme quite like the final version. the idea of everybody having to walk around in these full denim outfits, which while uncomfortable they lasted long and could be produced cheaply with, really fits the whole oppressive utilitarian feeling. i mean, hell, first thing people seem to do when they get to the wasteland is take the jacket off, so i doubt its that comfortable.

Very dank and griddy

We actually got the real orange collar and 2002 citizens meshes

Oh my gawd, this just feels like............ 2022

nice vid

Evolution of da combone⁉️⁉️🗣️🗣️

Well Gordon Freeman! About time too!

Imagine what gmod videos and other HL2 related machinimas would have been like if HL2 kept the 2001 era style...(pretty different in looks for sure obviousley). Anyway, the biggest flaw with the gasmask design is that because of the citizens quite literally wearing a gasmask, you would have barely been able to tell a difference between a citizen's model and another's, thus probably not letting male_07 become popular if they kept those designs.

dark and gritty

@RadiationHazardYT

Жыл бұрын

Drk n grty

Hey Rad, you should do a vid bout HL2 Toronto Conflict

@RadiationHazardYT

Жыл бұрын

Ill check it out and see.

7:26 William Afton model in early FNaF SFMs be like

5:02 AI-generated hands

Nice

Wish to see the beta skybox textures featured here.

2:50 False. We got the original mesh for the orange collar citizen as part of the recent leaks circa New Year's.

Le child labor est arrivé? Ahh hell naw, why they added Childs knowing the nature of the half-life games. 💀💀💀

do a review about the suffering

And that is why you do not drink the water!

I wonder why the citizens are so different in HLA

Hazard if possible could you please make a video on the cut conscripts

1:31 the model on the left as always interested me, do you have information about?

le children hit the dark and griddy

Is this dark and gritty :O

I thought it was over...

babe get the hell up new radiation hazard video

2:36 this zombie model is so goofy ahh💀💀

nice to see a hl2 beta video in 2023!

free tv mentioned!!! 🥰🥰🥰

FREE TV