Evolution of Butterflies
It has long been thought that butterfly and moth evolution was largely driven by bats but recent studies have shown that many of these features have ancient origins predating bats by a large margin. And in fact butterflies may owe their evolution and success to flowers not bats.
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Moths have ears? So they can hear me telling them I love them?
@user-ed9qu5im2y
4 жыл бұрын
Yes! Tell them how much you love them every night. They will appreciate it
@user-rn5dl6tf8r
4 жыл бұрын
Even pigeons have ears
@brianisme6498
4 жыл бұрын
They won’t understand though 😢
@LuCa8_
3 жыл бұрын
I guess they could hear me say I will eat you then I proceeded to eat them.
@nocturnex9339
3 жыл бұрын
Ok
8:17. Imagine spending your nights feeding on the sadness of others....
@TheGr3nadeboy
4 жыл бұрын
This made me laugh way harder than it should’ve.
@WAVE0025
4 жыл бұрын
r/im14andthisisdeep
@VirgoShelter
3 жыл бұрын
Some tears are produced to keep the eye wet but we don't feel these tears
@KRJayster
3 жыл бұрын
Got yourself the start of an emo song there. Nicely done.
@DaisiesInVenus
3 жыл бұрын
This is hillarious! Those moths are cold hearted😂
I love the honesty of the constant, "here's a reasonable-sounding explanation for something," followed by, "but actually, it turns out not to make sense."
@steve1560
4 жыл бұрын
However!
@tubarao1143
3 жыл бұрын
It is random, but a logical adaptation. The non logical mutations are deleted from the gene pool by natural selection.
@Modelstl063
3 жыл бұрын
tubarao1143 ||| correct :)
@jordan_roadhouse4798
3 жыл бұрын
@@tubarao1143 Not really. Some mutations are so specialist that they may thrive until a slight change of it's habitat. Sometimes the mutations are a severe detriment to their species longevity.
@tubarao1143
3 жыл бұрын
@@jordan_roadhouse4798 well, if they have no impact in reproduction they will not be detrimental for individuals. Eg: pale skin in tropics. You will get more chances of melanoma, but when u develop it will be in a non reproductive age. Of course socially it can have impact on ur children, but if talking strictly about spread the genes it has a detrimental effect on individuals survival, but not on the species.
Birds: Nooo, don't drink my tears ;( Moths: Haha, proboscis go *succ*
The hummingbird moth is insane. It convergently evolved to look like a hummingbird and fly in a similar way. When I first saw one I had no idea it existed, I thought it was a hummingbird but was horrified to see it had insect legs and antennae.
@kingpotato7183
3 жыл бұрын
That's terrifying
@erniehelmholz3644
3 жыл бұрын
I remember as kids we also didnt know and thougt it where hummingbirds escaped somewhere. So we spent days trying to Catch them just to finally realize they where infact insects..😂
@bscutajar
3 жыл бұрын
@@kingpotato7183 No it's not, it's just another variety of animal
@SephieRothe
3 жыл бұрын
Sphinx moths are really fun. Several diurnal species and a lot of crepuscular species. In addition to the many species that converge with hummingbirds there are a decent number of bee mimicking species. Some species have really pretty colors. Plus they are wonderful pollinators.
@drawingboard82
3 жыл бұрын
Likewise. I had no idea they existed until I saw one this year!
A channel called Moth Light finally making a video about Moths.
@alcyon7536
4 жыл бұрын
Should we tell him?
@wormthirtyfour
4 жыл бұрын
@@alcyon7536 tell him what?
@wormthirtyfour
4 жыл бұрын
@@alcyon7536 butterflies are a kind of moth
@duhduhvesta
4 жыл бұрын
kraken omg I died when he said moth cousins 😂
@duhduhvesta
4 жыл бұрын
He got there but it was funny
Wait so you're telling me there's a moth out there that drinks the tears of its enemies? That's so metal
@hugheshammy6311
3 жыл бұрын
Mhm.
@ExtremeUnction1988
2 жыл бұрын
Your tears are delicious!
@kyrab7914
2 жыл бұрын
Yes. And I believe some butterflies may drink blood
@qweqwe9678
Жыл бұрын
@@kyrab7914 if there's one that drink sweat, then the trio sweat, blood, and tear drinkers is completed
@kyrab7914
Жыл бұрын
@@qweqwe9678 google says there's some bees that drink sweat and tears
None of this is true, moths came to be when the lamp evolved.
@daniell1483
3 жыл бұрын
Truth.
@qingd.mainey3205
3 жыл бұрын
LAMP
@Tomp4ul
3 жыл бұрын
The old philosophical question; what came first, the moth or the lamp?
@legogonkdroid3792
3 жыл бұрын
@Pinoy Doler nice
@EldritchIdiot
3 жыл бұрын
Lämp
Arthropod evolution needs more love. Vertebrates are cool and all but we need more of our armory bois.
@lemmingscanfly5
4 жыл бұрын
Their evolution is harder to document since most of them found their niches in the biological tree with plants and fungi long before vertebrates even left the water. So their drastic proto-bug fossils will be a lot older.
@BookWyrmOnAString
3 жыл бұрын
Mollusks tho?
@cerridianempire1653
3 жыл бұрын
ikr insects (except for cockroaches ) are pretty interesting creatures armor gang
@kai_fatallysapphic
3 жыл бұрын
@@cerridianempire1653 roaches are interesting too tho, especially the ones that aren't house pests
@daywalker3735
2 жыл бұрын
You must love Hollow Knight
Even though I studied acoustics as part of my music degree... It had never occurred to me that the fuzzyness of moths reduced reflection of sound but yeah that would totally be useful. Amazing.
I think my favorite part of this video is the laying out this beautiful theory about how butterflies evolved from moths to avoid bats that seemed to fit all the evidence and then was completely thrown out the window when butterflies were found to have existed during the time of the dinosaurs. Science is fun for how it can crush things like that. :)
@Sashazur
Жыл бұрын
But even without that evidence, as the video says, it’s dumb to evolve to be active in the daytime to avoid bats, since now you’ve got to deal with birds instead which is just as bad.
@EmpressOfExile206
11 ай бұрын
Idk if the other theory that butterflies switched to the daytime to drink flower nectar works either. It's not like moths are flying through the night hunting leopards 🤔 Don't they also drink nectar?
Moths: LAMP Butterflies: POLEEN
@savannahrae9122
4 жыл бұрын
Nectoor 🌹🌸
@jasepoag8930
4 жыл бұрын
Let me fix that for you, bröther. LÄMP
@nigerjohnson8127
4 жыл бұрын
@@jasepoag8930 thx brother. How u do that?
@jasepoag8930
4 жыл бұрын
@@nigerjohnson8127 I used to know the Mac keyboard combos for them, but I have no idea on PC. I always just google "umlaut a", then copy and paste.
@nigerjohnson8127
4 жыл бұрын
@@jasepoag8930 heh. Know how to do it on mobile?
jawed moths? that reminded me of mothra in the monsterverse. so mothra was an ancient giant moth after all.
@anthonyappleyard5688
4 жыл бұрын
Until flappity-flap went the dracula bat, and that was that.
@cerridianempire1653
3 жыл бұрын
many kaijus in the monsterverse were based from prehistoric creatures so yeah your right
@cerridianempire1653
3 жыл бұрын
many kaijus in the monsterverse were based from prehistoric creatures so yeah your right
@maxymax4212
3 жыл бұрын
*Moth* - ra
Great video, I don’t usually see videos on the evolution of insects expect for the “look how big they were” variety. Would be interested in seeing if the evolution of metamorphosis or even molting is fully understood.
@SeanTrn
4 жыл бұрын
Me too that would be so cool
@luxblitzar8718
3 жыл бұрын
Precisely.
@KhanMann66
3 жыл бұрын
Lack of fossil means lack of spotlights.
@italucenaz
3 жыл бұрын
This is related to the evolution of wings in insects, you can search the evolution of flight and the metamophosis plays a big part in it
@julianshepherd2038
3 жыл бұрын
So how big were they?
*Pterosaurs have left the chat* *Moths:* Haha! We win! *Bats have joined the chat*
@Abyssaracnis
3 жыл бұрын
*Birds have Joined the chat*
@Abyssaracnis
3 жыл бұрын
*Spiders have joined the chat*
@kurokishi5532
3 жыл бұрын
*Insert weird mike wazowski here
@weighttan3675
3 жыл бұрын
Moths: Fuck.
@tbmavenger71
3 жыл бұрын
Yea the niche will always be filled
The thumbnail looks straight from those "how aliens would reconstruct the animal" memes.
@user-rn5dl6tf8r
4 жыл бұрын
Can't argue that lol
@italucenaz
3 жыл бұрын
i really don't find these representation of Anurognathus pterosaur, i think it's the color
8:19 imagine waking up in the middle of the night and some critter a third your length is sitting on your face drinking your tears.
I thought many butterfly colors where due to meta-material effects, not pigments. In fact, I’m fairly confident no butterfly has blue pigment, but uses the nano-architecture of the scales to display as blue to observers.
@noodle714
3 жыл бұрын
There’s actually a single species of butterfly that produces a truly blue pigment
@AnkhAnanku
3 жыл бұрын
Structural coloration vs pigment coloration Butterflies: why not both?
@KutWrite
2 жыл бұрын
@@noodle714 They used their pigment for dying money. Source: the book and Steve McQueen/Dustin Hoffman movie "Papillon" - which means "butterfly."
@omnipresentmillipede7757
2 жыл бұрын
There are some butterflies that do (Most famously Morphos, which is a whole genus) but most use pigments
Flowers: Exist Butterflies: It’s free real estate
@nakulankurmullam2982
3 жыл бұрын
F
@blank7008
3 жыл бұрын
Flower: exists Mothman: *iT’s fReE rEaL eStAtE*
@josemanuelmurguia8970
3 жыл бұрын
@@ccriztoff no one asked you
@FixedFace
3 жыл бұрын
the meme police wants to know your location
Correction: First came the beetles and flies as flower pollinators. Many angiosperms are older than hymenoptera and lepidoptera, like Magoliaceae, Nympheacea and Annonaceae. This leaves Diptera and Coleoptera as most likely original pollinators of the oldest flowering plants. The oldest extant angiosperms are clearly evolved to attract beetles and flies.
@Ozraptor4
4 жыл бұрын
Not anymore. The whole crux of the recent discoveries discussed in the video is that Lepidoptera were already around during the earliest Jurassic and were pre-adapted for the evolution of flowers later in the Mesozoic. Additionally, the hymenopteran fossil record now extends into the Late Triassic.
@torres8323
4 жыл бұрын
@@Ozraptor4 I haven't disagreed with the evidence in this video, and thought it was great, however a dearth of evidence leaves quite a bit of mystery around what came first, pollinators or flowers, or that they drove one another's evolution. I listened carefully to the video, nothing mentioned suggests that lepidoptera or hymenoptera predate Cleoptera or diptera as pollinators, in fact this matter was not even duacussed. And again, the oldest of flowering forms, are clearly designed for cantharphily, beetle pollination. You can see it if you know flowers well. Look at magnolias, one of the oldest of floweing families for example, no butterfly will land in its bowl shaped flower, and bees rarely visit. If one looks one will find magnolia flowers filled with beetles. Think on the morphology of flowers, bees use flowers that fit their bodies, butterflies too. Butterflies cannot use many flowers, they need something to land on. The kinds of flowers butterflies and bees use were not the oldest flowers, but instead we find the oldest flowering plants attract beetles and flies and are designed to encourage their help in pollination. It does seem, though that it was the diversification of both hymenoptera and lepidoptera that was the impetus behind the later rapid diversification of angiosperms, the beetles never really adapted further in this regard.
@juliecruz6452
4 жыл бұрын
The Coleoptera, beetles, were in fact the original pollinators. That’s one of the many reasons that this order is one of the most diverse in the whole animal kingdom, as they evolved along side the angiosperms.
@nxtlvlnlkr5312
4 жыл бұрын
I create angiosperm everyday
@PALACIO254
3 жыл бұрын
Neat thank you for the learnings
first came the bees? My understanding is that the first pollinating animals were beetle-like (koleoptera) and that their flowers of choice were big and edible. Then came the bees, who were able to pollinate without damaging the flower - which was a considerable evolutionary advantage. This is also the reason that among the most "primitive" flowers are the large magnolias.
@komradentomolog7701
2 жыл бұрын
Isn't it spelled coleoptera.also interesting thing is some beetles actually had the normal front wings back then too,some still do to this day,although they don't use it for flight....
Damn your channel has exploded, I remember when you had 10k subs and 4 patreons. Now you have a giant list, a massive sub account and your videos have only increased in quality. Good job
"We're amateur lepidopterists." "You want to see my stamp collection?" "Only if we were philatelists!"
@steveita2162
4 жыл бұрын
+100 points for the Venture Brothers reference
@colinp2238
4 жыл бұрын
Philatery will get you nowhere.
@boulderbash19700209
3 жыл бұрын
Philatelist? Isn't that generous people?
@komradentomolog7701
2 жыл бұрын
I actually collect everything i find or catch,mostly insects and fish
If lepidopterans had ears before bats evolved, it makes me wonder what noises pterosaurs made...
@bretthess6376
4 жыл бұрын
They were terribly rude. Where were their parents?
@davidegaruti2582
4 жыл бұрын
WRYYYYYY
@NinjaTyler
3 жыл бұрын
@@davidegaruti2582 oraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraORA!!!
@Gasmaskmax
2 жыл бұрын
at least we know that their p was silent
@bounce9568
2 жыл бұрын
@@Gasmaskmax 😳
Me: Moths have ears and a proboscis? Moths: This is what it sounds like when doves cry.
Scaled Wing* Not scaled insects Lepidoptera Just like a pterosaur is a winged lizard. (Even thought it wasnt a lizard.)
@ShmooZeroOmega
4 жыл бұрын
Easy mistake to make, I guess, since every insect order is something-ptera
@jasperzanjani
4 жыл бұрын
also kinda like how your mother tells you she loves you, when she doesn't
@3_up_moon
4 жыл бұрын
@@jasperzanjani exactly
@achi-leanathlos8376
4 жыл бұрын
Jasper Zanjani dude, chill out, it's ok if you don't speak greek, or latin, or science
@jasperzanjani
4 жыл бұрын
@@achi-leanathlos8376 all that science you speak won't grow your hair back
8:04 Moth 1: I use my highly developed mouth tool to drink the tears of my enemies, while they rest beneath the silent moon Moth 2: hehe animal poo
I don’t have words for how much I love your content. I personally consider your format to be flawless!
Nice to see a moth & butterfly topic, they don't get much notice on insect-related videos
So you're telling me I could potentially scream at a moth and startle it.
I was literally wondering about the evolution of butterflies just yesterday, after watching one of your videos, and I'm so glad you answered the call of my curious heart!
4:50 wait, if butterflies adapeted to take advanagte of flowers as a food source wouldnt they have developed eyes to see colorful flowers first and then started to develop elaborate patterns for sexual display as their eyes became specialized for finding flowers?
@neptunestreaming4261
4 жыл бұрын
I would assume they use smell over sight for flower nectar.
@jakobraahauge7299
4 жыл бұрын
@@neptunestreaming4261 In many lepidoptera only the males have a very keen sense smell
@debbiehenri345
3 жыл бұрын
As far as I know, the first flowers weren't very colourful, so their eyes didn't need to be all that well adapted in the beginning. The first flower colours were white and yellow, which would have looked bright and clear enough against green leaves. I'm guessing that an accumulation of mutations in eye structure allowed them to see differing colours as flowers also began to evolve and mutate new colours.
Been binge watching your vids the past week, first video I've seen close after it's been posted. Anyways, love the videos and I think you'll get bigger given that I personally was just recommended your channel out of the blue and hadn't searched for any topic you've covered, so it appears the algorithm favors you!
@jakobraahauge7299
4 жыл бұрын
His speak is just sooo nice! 🥰
@SeanTrn
4 жыл бұрын
Same here with him randomly showing up in my recommended. I'm happy the algorithm favors him. Great channel
Take a shot every time he says something like, "It was thought that (feature) evolved because of (x), but as it turns out it was actually discovered much earlier, probably due to (y)."
Fascinating stuff, well presented. Would love to see some more about evolution of insects and other small invertebrates
Moth Light Media: is referred to the way moths are attracted to light so in essence the content of this channel is the “light” that attracts viewers “moths” and the media portion is just as described. That’s why it’s called Moth Light Media! Or, at least, that’s my interpretation of it.
Im really glad ur channel is getting big I’ve been a fan for awhile so it’s nice to see a KZreadr growing.
This was wonderful! I learned a lot of things I never suspected, and they will enrich my experience in watching moths and butterflies from now on. Thank you.
Your videos are always interesting you do great job congratulations
Dang I thought this was gunna have more of a focus on how a process like metamorphosis could evolve. Seems impossible to imagine how that evolves incrementally
@shausen1179
3 жыл бұрын
Just remember, the magic in evolution is time. An intricate body part such as eyes evolved multiple times? Just add more time, time fixes everything.
Being Entomophobic, and still watching this, is a proof of strength
@labaccident2010
2 жыл бұрын
Wooo! Good job! I am impressed with your show of mental strength to watch a video about something you’re terrified of to that extent. Well done.
@DAVINNIA314
2 жыл бұрын
@@labaccident2010 Thanks, I hope that one day I'll be able to fully get rid of my fear. But for now, I'm stuck at avoiding those creatures of Hell
@labaccident2010
2 жыл бұрын
@@DAVINNIA314 Maybe someday, but being able to watch a video of them successfully is a massive first step!
@DAVINNIA314
2 жыл бұрын
@@labaccident2010 I was totally terrified while watching it, but at least I tried
@labaccident2010
2 жыл бұрын
@@DAVINNIA314 Exactly- you tried anyway.
Thank you so much for your work, i really enjoy your content. Keep up the good work my friend
Bin here since 2k Buddy, Proud of ur channel growing
Holy cow I remember when this video first came out and thought the art was so neat. Just came across it again but forgot I watched it. Very nice work.
love your videos man! keep up the good work!
Thank you for your videos. They are very interesting and I've learned a lot from them.
Moth: I only drink the tears of my enemies
I like moths. They are fluffy and cute.
I love learning about insect evolution plz make more vids like this :3
Amazing video! I loved it. Your content could be used as really powerful educational resource, specially in this pandemic days were students away from schools.
Super cool! I thought one of the reasons Lepidoptera evolved wing scales was because it allows them to escape spider webs- the scales stay stuck to the web while the creature itself is able to fly away.
Keep ’em comin’! I can't get enough
what a great video, I never would have researched any of this on my own, and it's fascinating to think that animals so common were once an intrusive newcomer. I guess you had to do a moth video eventually, considering your channel's name...
Fantastic. Not only paleontology but great current species pics and video.
Great video, would love to see another one on insects and there origins
This channel is better and more informative than anything I ever did at school.....mmmmh, you don’t know what you wanted till you see it.
Came for the butterflies, stayed for the tear drinking moths. BRB, got some fossilized memes to bring back.
Some of us hate on moths when they're the ancestors of the butterflies everyone loves. Show moths some respect!
Wow these videos are AMAZING.
Great front cover piece for your channels namesake, and not ironically, quite illuminating on Lepidoptera.
I can’t stop thinking about that one episode of spongebob where he was freaking out over a butterfly.
good thing i have notifications on
That video of a butterfly cleaning itself is my new favourite thing
Thank you for this video keep up the good work❤👌👍
Very good channel. No bullshit gimmicks, just good, dry information.
This was awesome, thank you.
This is some prime content, I had no idea that jawed moths were even a thing
wow days ago i was actually thinking how Butterflies evolve to what they're today, and now i see this ❤️
Brilliantly interesting video!
At 0:39, you say the scales “contain coloured pigment”. This is not true. The colour of butterfly and moth wings do derive from the scales, but the scales do not contain any pigments. They instead make use of a phenomenon known as structural colour. Basically, the microstructure of the scales are at the same size as wavelengths of visible light, and the light interacts with the scale microstructure via constructive and destructive interference of the light rays. This causes the vibrant iridescent look on butterfly wings, as the light interacts differently depending on the angle you look at the butterfly. This is also how opals get their colour.
@benschwartz2454
4 жыл бұрын
Lapis Pyrite isn’t that just that one iridescent blue butterfly? I think other butterflies and moths just have normal pigments.
@eliaskulp306
4 жыл бұрын
@@benschwartz2454 nope, all butterflies use structural pigments. Just go out et catch one, gently rub the wings: the scales appear opacue white.
@nicxr2764
4 жыл бұрын
@@eliaskulp306 Nop, Yesterday I caught a moth with orange wings, I touched its wings and my fingers were stained with orange.
@Mikiryuk960
3 жыл бұрын
Blue butterfly made its blue pigment
@elleboman8465
3 жыл бұрын
Sorry to disappoint you but you are in the wrong. Butterfly and moth wings do use ordinary pigments like melanin as well as the structural colour of the scales. Citing the source provided by @noconflicts: "The combination of a butterfly's structural and pigmented color can create interesting effects. For example, if you saw a butterfly with yellow pigment underneath a structure that creates a blue iridescent color, you might see a green shade, made by the merging of the two colors. Or depending on your viewpoint, you might see blue, yellow, green or a combination of the three. Your view would change as the butterfly moves its wings and the light enters at different angles."
Moths are cute and fluffy, they have colourful wings, and they love to DRINK THE TEARS OF THEIR ENEMIES
its good to learn about the common things you see in everyday life.
most relaxing videos ever
Fascinating topic. Thanks :)
Doesn't "lepidoptera" mean "scaled wings" rather than "scaled insect?" Binge-watching. Such interesting subjects, well narrated and illustrated. Thanks!
Beautiful video.
Amazing quality channel
Very interesting thank you for the videos xx
Thank you so much for focusing on other topics, besides dinosaurs, in Paleo!!!
Great video - equally interesting is contemplating how the complete metamorphosis phenomena in insects (which caterpillar/lava to adult process is so sublime and beautiful in butterflies) originally may have arisen in primitive insects.
I love your videos- one that i'd be very interested to see is the evolution of owls
great video
Underrated chanel
great vid about birds & bees!
This is good information.
Great video. Really useful information. I work in conservation and will share. 👍
30s in and i've learned something. Subbed
And now lepidoptera is even more fascinating than I gave them credit for
As a guy studying biology and hopefully getting a horticulture master's one day.... any vid about pollinators is a must watch
I’m very scared of butterflies and moths, but this video is very interesting!
great nature channel
you really need to publish this verbatim as a children's picture book with illustrations. maybe watercolor. you already have the audio book ready ! i say this because i use this video to put myself to sleep at least once or twice a week. I've never found a more reliable barbiturate in my entire life. i full suffer from life long insomnia and child me would have loved this. the lofty scholarly jargon should be left in-tact, as well as the broad and vague way contradictions are introduced then brushed aside. a story with almost no conflict of opinion is rare in the paleontology world. and opening your eyes every few seconds just to see b roll of butterflies or moths or bats or birds or flowers? excellent.
Something about the idea of a moth willfully sprouting ears to spite the hated bats that I enjoy.
I really like this
Ooh! ASMR and learning! Your speak is just amazing, it's so soothing! And the graphics - and content - is awesome! Thank you! 😚♥️
I remember when I would catch butterflies and yeet them back into mother nature's hands. It was beautiful TwT.
Interesting. I enjoy seeing the Micropterix Calthi ( probably misspelt ) on Buttercups, munching the pollen each Spring.
I love moths, more moth content please
I was intrigued by the Micropterigidae and it made me wonder what adult moths of that genus eat, as it may be similar to what the ancestral forms ate before the proboscis evolved. It seems they have a fondness for spores of ferns and other lower plants. I imagine some of their ancestors had a similar life style, although possibly some were predatory like their Caddisfly cousins or maybe didn't even eat at all as adults.
Your channel name: moth light media This video: moths. 😏
@eviljoel
3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations, you can read. Want a medal?