#CourtTV - What do YOU think?

@brbrknndy

Ай бұрын

I didn't have time to watch the trial. Maybe, if they try her again I can make time to watch it. If they don't retry her I'm watch the first trial on archives. At this point I don't have an opinion.

@Mihaapavaloaie15

Ай бұрын

i definitely need more evidence one way or the other to be able to decide

@bobalessio6339

Ай бұрын

I watched every minute of every court day. Brian Albert, Brian Higgins, and possibly Colin Albert committed murder!! If Norfolk County is serious about law and order, and seeking the truth, they will put all three of them on trial, convict them, and send them to prison!! Along with Jen McCabe, and all others involved in the cover-up! For folks who are short on time but want to really understand the defense position, watch the five defense witnesses in the last three days of the trial. Compelling!!! The FBI should take the lead in investigating 34 Fairview Basement and Bulkhead, and the Sallyport tail light corruption!!! Good show Vinny as always.

@jtjones4081

Ай бұрын

Bonnie, you said you want phone GPS. John’s GPS was on. It proved he never went in the house. That was demonstrated in trial by the Lt. It showed him in the yard at 12:24 and never moved. It showed it was impossible for him to have gone into the house. All demonstrated in the trial by MSP using GPS.

@loveforeignaccents

Ай бұрын

@@brbrknndy They have already stated they are going to retry her.

The state didn’t prove that JO was hit by a vehicle. The defense doesn’t have to prove anything. There was so much reasonable doubt. That’s my opinion.

@jendee1260

Ай бұрын

true! 2 renowned professionals in fact stated his injuries were not that of a car backing into him.

@Amy-zs8tx

Ай бұрын

I agree!!!

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

Absence of evidence is not evidence if absence . There is direct evidence of DNA on karens bumper and broken taillight that is proof karen hit John

@Tess-163

Ай бұрын

No enough obviously

@jennieorti3628

Ай бұрын

@@jendee1260 their own medical examiner said his injuries were inconsistent with being hit by a car as well

I'd be afraid to live in a town of a group of drunk driving cops.

@SA-bx5pp

Ай бұрын

More than likely the cops where you live do the same thing. Have you never been out with a group of LEOs? They definitely live life ABOVE the law.

@SA-bx5pp

Ай бұрын

Make friends with as many as you can.

@PK-gw2rz

Ай бұрын

Oh then you should join BLM because they're great. They're really good for you. Are you above it? Let me see. Karen Reed wasn't a cop. She was driving drunk explain that

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

Don't dial 911 if your boogie men cops are needed then. Karen's Guilty on the DNA 😅period

@mandystrong8196

Ай бұрын

Karen Read was driving in a blackout drunk rage. That’s ok though.

If I had cops and ambulance sirens and flashing lights and people screaming out the front of my house, I’d be out there in a second. I find it really strange that the Albert’s slept through it all.

@rebeccacampbell8020

Ай бұрын

Yeah, especially because no one was pounding on their door, asking if they saw anything.

@johnwood1014

Ай бұрын

@@rebeccacampbell8020 vv c h. Km hu x z xc

@chelloandra

Ай бұрын

Anybody would

@user-ut3ft4qn5f

Ай бұрын

And the dog never barks

@B_Bodziak

Ай бұрын

​@@rebeccacampbell8020Jen McCabe went inside and woke them up

imagine a body is found on the lawn and no police officer goes inside to investigate.

@McQuizzical

Ай бұрын

Especially when it's noted early on that Officer John O'Keefe was invited to that house.

@thj534

Ай бұрын

Because Karen Read said I HIT HIM

@chrisclassical7

Ай бұрын

@@thj534 i think you will find that mc cabe orignally said "did i hit him". regardless when a body is found on a lawn and there is no blood present it should be obvious to any idiot that that is not the scene of the crime.

@pamelayoung9325

Ай бұрын

and the police officer who lives at that house never came out to inquire what happened when there's many emts, ambulance etc in front.

@chilikonkarma

20 күн бұрын

also no cops inside the house goes out during all that kafuffel of rescuers, ambulance and cops

The main conspiracy suspects got rid of their phones, a house and a dog. That’s the problem.

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

That prooves nothing 😅

@Tess-163

Ай бұрын

I can see why Higgins got rid of his phone 😅

@ritaeichler2066

Ай бұрын

Does nt come close to murder.😮

@mandystrong8196

Ай бұрын

Their private lives and conversations should not be shown to the world because Karen killed John in a blackout drunk rage.

@kathleenchapman3890

Ай бұрын

Also the family room in the basement...which they could ill afford to do. They ripped the floors and cement up also. Why? Soaked with blood.

"rehomed" the dog, destroyed phones, altered/destroyed videos, redid basement floor right before selling house, butt dials-butt answers, etc... the list of reasonable doubt is more than long enough!

@smacdonald5142

Ай бұрын

All speculation based on coincidence and false conclusions. FUD.

@rickiecomeaux8287

Ай бұрын

@@smacdonald5142 Enough to raise a very Reasonable Doubt. Karen Read is innocent and I don't need liveried govt goons or their jackboot licking sycophants telling me not to believe my eyes and ears. Go work for CNN, with the "Shawck and Haw-wah."

Why is nobody discussing that there was NO SEARCH of the Albert's house. Notwithstanding that the crime scene was outside, any normal investigator would certainly have secured the house as a possible crime scene and done a thorough search of the house and all of the rooms of the house to eliminate them for being connected to the crime. This case screams COVER-UP and malfeasance by the police and investigators.

@johndevlin

Ай бұрын

I think you're getting ahead of yourself to complain that there was no search of the Albert house. There wasn't even a search of the area where the body was found! Several possible eyewitnesses to the collision (Sara Levinson, Brian Albert Jr., the other people in Ryan Nagel's truck, Lucky Loughran, Caitlin Albert and "Trissy Tightlips", etc) weren't even interviewed until Proctor found out people were getting federal grand jury subpoenas sixteen months after the crime. If this investigation was being done in good faith, in the genuine belief that it was a vehicular homicide, why didn't Proctor ever arrange for a comprehensive search of the accident scene? Why didn't he at least try to interview everybody he had reason to think might have seen the collision? Why wasn't the location of ANYTHING measured? Joe Paul's collision reconstruction is based, in part, on a second-hand *estimate* of where O'Keefe's body had been found. Trooper Joe Paul got it from Lt. Paul Gallagher, who wasn't there when John was found. Some unidentified person told Gallagher that O'Keefe was about seven feet from the curb, and Paul just ran with it.

@Maria-em3ju

Ай бұрын

They should investigate now and why not?

@jaynepetersen454

Ай бұрын

@rm-dc6tx because on the location trace of O'Keefe phone it showed that he never went in the house. Theyxwere waiting for him to get there.

@johndevlin

Ай бұрын

@@jaynepetersen454 Wasn’t that based on assuming that the GPS has 3’ resolution, when in fact it does not? Any thoughts on why Jen McCabe was texting and calling John repeatedly, acting like she could see the SUV outside, for about 20 minutes after the SUV left? Seems weird.

@jaynepetersen454

Ай бұрын

@@johndevlin that again is according to defense. She did call him because he said he was coming over and didn't show up. She called him when she saw the suv and he still didn't come in the house.

I’m still shocked that the home owners of an officer never went outside of his home when another fallen officer found on his lawn???

@johndonnelly3135

Ай бұрын

Perhaps he couldn’t come out because John had got a few blows in during the fight and left marks on Alberts face.

@MsGeeyounit

Ай бұрын

You'd think the cops would barge in to make sure it wasn't some lunatic cop killer tryna get both Okeef and Albert

@carolynhicks8911

Ай бұрын

Especially how much the blue sticks together

@Catchmyvib2

Ай бұрын

Right and they refer to him as a some guy And how was it that he’s in a mound of snow but no snow on top of him ? I think he was put there after the plow or the plow guy did it ! Maybe paid off by one of the cops , I’m beginning to feel like John was set up the whole time probably had some dirt on them . I mean seriously why would they be having an after party mature adults knowing that there was a blizzard going to come and kids at home and 14 other adults in the house where were their kids? What time did those people leave who has a party when there’s going to be a blizzard especially cops.

@Catchmyvib2

Ай бұрын

Or security cameras off

Four medical experts stated injuries were not consistent with being hit by a vehicle, two accident reconstruction experts (with PHDs, hired by FBI/DOJ ) also stated the same. “You can't deny the science and the physics.” Unfortunately, people still do.

@herbhealsus

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately the jury of our peers often believe, if your in court you did something wrong. If the police said you did it even without proof you are guilty

@ritaeichler2066

Ай бұрын

It wasnt 4 that stated that. The defense experts said it but they did not review the evidence or investigation reports in their analysis.

@Tess-163

Ай бұрын

@@ritaeichler2066exactly

@jennieorti3628

Ай бұрын

@@ritaeichler2066the common wealths own medical examiner said John’s injuries were inconsistent with being hit by a vehicle as well

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

It doesn't mean he wasn't hit by a car that's an opinion. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence😅

IMPORTANT: On day 22, Dighton Police Sgt. Nicholas Barros testified that there was only 1 piece missing from the cracked taillight when he arrived at the Read’s residence BEFORE the car was towed.

@lasvegasbeet

Ай бұрын

💯

@oiooi6460

Ай бұрын

@abeerali7834 So they smashed it up and buried the pieces deep in the snow how exactly? Given the search team were there at the same time

@currentlynoname7499

Ай бұрын

​@@oiooi6460 The search team arrived at 5.45. The car was taken on a 15 minute drive at 4.16 but Proctor 'mistyped' and wrote that it was collected at 5.30 to cover the missing 1 hour 15 minutes. So they had the vehicle for over an hour before the search team arrived. The tow driver said he left the car outside the sallyport so it's easy to smash it, drive 5 minutes away to 34 fairview, lay the pieces and return to the sallyport before the search team got there. Also a search team had already searched the area, when the snow was softer and before it had been treaded on making it easier to see. They took the leaf blower and moved the snow all the way to the ground but there was no taillight. Taillight was found only after Proctor took the car on a 15 minute journey that lasted one and a quarter hours. That's how the 2nd search team found things. And even though they had shovels its strange that they didn't find all the pieces. They just magically appeared after 2 sets of police searched.

@JustUsProduction

Ай бұрын

@@oiooi6460 they toke the car to the police station before it got towed. Remember the video that was reversed? It was night time or early morning because the sun wasn't out yet

@oiooi6460

Ай бұрын

@JustUsProduction Man you believe any old crap

House sold, phones/SIM cards destroyed, dog sent to another state, simultaneous butt dials, no ring cameras at all, perjured time lines?! WTH! Apparently that jury was as blind as Casey Anthony’s.

@SarinaSazi

Ай бұрын

That dog is dead I bet

Karens location data was DELETED AFTER HER CELL WAS IN POLICE CUSTODY

@kerri-lynbryant293

Ай бұрын

Nah I believe she might’ve wiped it after her call to Daddy round 1.30am. Who knows what she did between 12.45am - 6.00am in the morning. Lies upon lies were made that very morning by Karen Read.

@renaeslaughter3206

Ай бұрын

​@@kerri-lynbryant293 no ma'am. There were deletions of Karen's location data found in April 2022- while the cops had her phone. It was in testimony at trial.

@oliviahancook5195

Ай бұрын

The same person who wiped also earased Sandra Birchmores phone were the dates were before she turned 18 or alleged by the family.

The guest who said the WOUNDS were checked for dog DNA and that is 100% INCORRECT!!!!!!! Only the shirt was tested and showed PIG DNA!!! Pig is common as dog treats for big dogs, ie pig ears. The investigation dropped the ball by not swabbing the wounds but for some unknown reason they did NOT swab the wounds!!!

@BoxerClover

Ай бұрын

if the dog ate pig, there'd both pig AND dog DNA.

@nicolaxoxo1

Ай бұрын

@@BoxerClover but they never swabbed the actual wounds. Just swabbing one spot on his shirt is not enough, swabbing the bite would have been the correct way and for some reason they didn’t. Not to mention that shirt in question was left with Proctor and no chain of custody or proper storage etc etc

@JennyLouLou

Ай бұрын

​@@BoxerCloverwounds were never swabbed. Plus clothing was left out on open to dry for WEEKS.

@Signe0184

Ай бұрын

Which was dumb, they could find plastic or whatever they claim that caused the wounds. Maybe they did it but didn't like the results. 😅

@michelleday5045

Ай бұрын

Intentional

1.All these buttdials, I might do 1 or 2 in a year, but NEVER in my sleep when the phone is on the nightstand. 2. All the destroyed phones. 3. Never searched the house of where a dead man is found. 4. Timelines dont match. 5. Trooper paul who is a clown. 6. Missing bodycams, videos. 7. Jen Mccabe that was aloud to check protocols before she answered any questions. 8. Changing stories from day 1- present day. 9. Picked up Karens car before finding any tail pieces. 10 ...... Any more BS in this trial. Even IF Karen did it, you cant convict her on these "evidence". Not guilty and greeting from Sweden 🇸🇪

@norellemaher2956

Ай бұрын

Phots taken a the scene, which way he was laying, the 911 call so many little things are just wrong

@chhansen9813

Ай бұрын

You forgot "BUTT ANSWERS" and "BUTT CONVERSATIONS"

@jasrob009

Ай бұрын

I totally agree this was the most unprofessional, shady murder case I've seen. The idea they want to retry this case is insane.

@jatteam8615

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the efficient and appreciated comment!

@turtletruth

Ай бұрын

You're either a person helping mankind, or a policeman! - USMC (Semper Fidelis) SGT E-5 (5811)

the irrefutable evidence is that the injuries are not consistent with a car accident

An ATF agent wiped his phone destroyed his simm card and dumped his phone and simm card in two separate military dumpsters.

@user-uu5hc7up4i

Ай бұрын

guilty

@tonystevenson26

Ай бұрын

Heck, I do that once a month...

@JennaJustice24

Ай бұрын

Not sus at all.....

@leslieputnam9385

Ай бұрын

Just reasonable reactions from innocent parties. You know kind of like driving a white Ford bronco down the freeway, threatening to commit suicide because you murdered your ex-wife and a waiter. You know reasonable responses like that when you were innocent. Lol

Pretty sure the experts proved he wasn't hit by a car...

@ritaeichler2066

Ай бұрын

Not proven. None of the experts included the case investigation reporting in their analysis.

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

Opinion only Karen's Guilty

@Kwinters988

Ай бұрын

@@ritaeichler2066did you watch the same trial?

@klaaguiby1225

Ай бұрын

@@Kwinters988Right?!?!🤦🏻‍♀️Like What?

@stevenprice6957

Ай бұрын

??? With 1/3 of the evidence. Which guy? The one with his wife on free Karen read pages ? Umm ok.

Why did all these people destroy their phones? Who does that unless you are hiding something? Why did no one search that house? Why did they sell the house several months after this happened? Why did they get rid of their dog? If these people didn’t do anything wrong why completely uproot your life.

@gratefulmom5781

Ай бұрын

@@4catmom14 also ripped up the cement basement floor and remodeled the whole thing before the home sale.

@tmariesmith

Ай бұрын

Exactly on destroying the phones! I have all of my old phones and my brother always trades his in...WHO IN THE WORLD would DESTROY their phone and throw it in a dumpster???? I have NEVER heard of anyone doing that! I have asked everyone I know what they do with their old phones and they ALL said keep it or trade it in...Hmmm?!

@smacdonald5142

Ай бұрын

They had all the text messages already, so it didn't matter if they got rid of the phones. Conspiracy theorists always overlook the obvious details and focus on the minor ones that support their assumptions. Just look at the JFK assassination. All kinds of wakey theory's about that.

@LifesPeachy321

Ай бұрын

I want to know how so many found her guilty? I wonder what the jurors were told by the judge? The whole justice system seems to be corrupt IMO

@jatteam8615

Ай бұрын

@@LifesPeachy321 you hit the nail on the head…

You don't rehome your dog and get rid of cell phones and delete texts, phone calls 😒 sell your house that was in the family. All of that is suspicious 😒

@nasmx1692

Ай бұрын

I agree. Just odd.

The 'next' jury, if there is one, will know allll about this, and she will be found not guilty within 5 minutes.

I don't know why I keep watching this debacle but i just can't stop 😂😢

@ashadecastro276

Ай бұрын

Omg me too every night I put my son to bed sit on the couch and go down the rabbit hole lol

@merimasviland8006

Ай бұрын

Your emojies make no sense to your sentence. First a smiley and then a tear drop.

@Gabriel-hf1yy

Ай бұрын

And me lol

@GrandWren23

Ай бұрын

Me too🤦🏻‍♀️

@johndevlin

Ай бұрын

I'm mainly interested in seeing whether the prosecutors will ever show that they're capable of feeling shame. They probably never will; their usual practice is just to ignore new exculpatory information as it arises. But maybe someday? I was looking through the "Statement of Facts" in their last pretrial filing this morning. It says Jen McCabe texted O'Keefe at 12:31 ("Hello"), 12:40 ("Pulll up behind me"), and 12:45 ("Hello"), and that she "observed the black SUV drive away from the house" just after the last one. It's now incontrovertible, from the state's own evidence (Nick Guarino) that the absolute latest Read could have driven away from the house is 12:33 (her first ping off a cell tower other than the one nearest 34 Fairview), and that's if she drove back to 1 Meadows at more than twice the speed limit (there is no evidence that she was speeding at all). So, we know Jen McCabe texted John at least twice (probably three times) after the SUV left. The 12:40 text clearly implies that she can still see the SUV, though it had been gone for *at least* seven minutes. Worse (and I cannot understand why the pretrial filings omit this), she also called his phone seven times during this period, including six times between 12:41 and 12:50. These calls were all deleted from her phone (though not from John's) and she claims they were butt dials. She sent a fricking text after the third call! I think any reasonable person has to admit that this is at least a *bit* suspicious. Incidentally, John's call records also show that he *answered* Jen McCabe's call at 12:29:44 and was connected for 8 seconds. So, until 12:29:52. According to the prosecution's new timeline (from the closing argument), "trigger event 2" (24 mph in reverse) happened at 12:30 a.m. Does this still work? How did Jen McCabe repeatedly miss seeing the body out there in plain view and not 60 feet from where she was standing? What SUV did she see driving away? Was that a different SUV? How come that one didn't see the body on the lawn? She called John at 12:29, got an answer (presumably him saying "I'm here"), then this horrific collision happens at 12:30, then she texts him "hello" a minute later? And she deleted that call? I mean, WTF!?

Clearly weren’t paying attention. The defense tried getting everyone’s phone. Some got rid of their phones, everyone deleted a bunch of calls and everything else. That was part of the case! Omg

@user-ukt

Ай бұрын

they clearly don't have as much free time as you

@MrGrumpyGills

Ай бұрын

@@user-ukt They may not have lots of free time, but making these videos is their part of their job. So they spend lots of time watching trials. What's their excuse then for not paying proper attention?

@MamaBear-BLRKW

Ай бұрын

I came here to say this. These people know nothing. They need to read the discovery stuff and what was allowed and not allowed. The defense tried. But if their phone isn’t pinging then there won’t be anything on the cell tower.

@Southernnj26

Ай бұрын

And Karen’s phone wasn’t turned in for over two years. N she had a burner.

@user-ukt

Ай бұрын

go watch something else.

Can't track Phone Data when so many McAlberts and friends ditched their phones.

We need justice for Officer O’Keefe

@interlocution6619

Ай бұрын

@Nicholas-HTX EVERYONE wants justice for him, including the people supporting KR. The things is a botched investigation is NOT justice. Convicting the wrong person, is NOT justice. Even if they have the right person, the investigation was so badly done, and the evidence is so contaminated/ manipulated that there an be no justice from it. The investigation is being investigated. There was so much misconduct that justice simply isn't possible unless someone comes forward and confesses. The evidence doesn't match the state's story. "Evidence" that doesn't show up until the trial starts? Evidence that's effectively missing from the record for nearly 2 weeks... That's not justice. If the family and friends REALLY want justice, they would be willing to look at the TRUTH, which is he was associated with some super shady people. It's easier to blame a girlfriend that no one likes than it is to admit that the victim's own friends might be the cause. That's NOT justice. Justice would be finding the truth no matter what it is, and holding the RIGHT people accountable. No one seems interested in doing that, so I am sorry to say, there will be no justice.

@interlocution6619

Ай бұрын

So tell me, how is railroading someone in a corrupt investigation justice? This investigation was so messed up that the IA AND the feds are investigating? Does that happen in a vacuum? Osmosis? There's a reason the entire department and investigation are being looked at by the feds, and it isn't because they did the right thing, or because they are unfortunate bystanders.

@tonystevenson26

Ай бұрын

Not happening, unfortunately

Why doesn't everyone ask for a fair, thorough investigation?! Investigate everyone, the Alberts, McCabes, Colin Albert, Higgins get all cell phone records and location! If they are so sure, KR did it then fill all those holes!! Get real experts!!

@charleslaurice

Ай бұрын

It’s my understanding that the judge will not allow the Albers to be investigated. She is part of the cover up. Also the judge would not allow the FBI to step in and investigate and be a part of this trial. At least that’s the way I see it and interpret the fact.

@Llagkk

Ай бұрын

Yes! Exactly! Be fair before you point fingers at another. They’re so quick to blame and claim so many calls were butt dialed

@charleslaurice

Ай бұрын

All those missing cell phones that were destroyed all those Sim cards that were destroyed all those butt dials that night come on people the real murders is not Karen Reed. They’re the people inside that house. Why would they destroy the Sim card and cell phones after they knew good and well, they should not. I would bet you will find John O’Keefe’s blood under that newly poured basement floor in the house.

@Ispyletsseewhoshere

Ай бұрын

When 3 of the main characters involved destroyed their phones the day before they had a legal subpoena . It’s crazy that the police did not even step inside the house where he was found on the lawn !

@susanboss9894

Ай бұрын

They can’t fill in the holes because it isn’t true!

I love how CourtTV gets a guy that didn't watch the trial and speaks of tracking phones. If he had followed the trial at all, he would know that the people it mattered also knew how to prevent their location being tracked. Why did CourtTV even need this guy?

@TheGdav0202

Ай бұрын

because they like to generate bullshit lies.

@lorenamachado5361

Ай бұрын

And he was handpicked...

@tonystevenson26

Ай бұрын

Vinnie's cousin ?

How did John's vomit get into his underwear underneath his pants and jocks? Oh yeah the belt was off. Did they shower him?

@GoddessTheOldeGodd

5 күн бұрын

Oh, I didn't hear this part.

@sunshinemagicalrainbowunic4004

2 күн бұрын

Sounds like they didn’t shower him. They were too busy cleaning up the 3 pints of John’s missing blood

Geofence data was court ordered but Proctor deliberately excluded the others in the house. Evidence has been erased, manipulated, inverted or missing. And MSP is sorry for the texts? Give me a break. People should be disturbed and it's not just Proctor. Don't let him be the scapegoat.

Did any of the people on the panel follow this trial? Higgins AND Brian Albert destroyed their phones and threw them away after they were told not to! The defense questioned all of them about the phone calls and texts that they were allowed access to. I think these people on the panel fail to understand that if the CW doesn't want the defense to obtain information that could hurt their case, Bev has zero issues telling the defense they can't have it. In pretrial, the defense had to fight for what phone records they actually were able to obtain from the McAlberts. Bev and Lally accused the defense of going on a fishing expedition when they requested the phone records.

@user-nj9db2tg9w

Ай бұрын

They threw their phones away, the day before they were told not to. Someone tipped them off.

@JennyLouLou

Ай бұрын

​@@user-nj9db2tg9wbingo

@AMYV3

Ай бұрын

Exactly!!!

@VictoriaMaiello

Ай бұрын

the phone destroying was because one had affairs an the other had job issues and they would not admit to their reasons

@jaynepetersen454

Ай бұрын

@@heavymetalrehab mcalberts were not on trial no matter how hard the defense lawyers tried to convince people. They have rights as well.

What about the phone calls between Higgins and Albert ? The butt dials , what about the thrown away phones and deleted messages

@Robin-xt7yo

Ай бұрын

And the dog that quickly got whisked away to who knows where.

@nhlpens583

Ай бұрын

Who destroys their phone on a military base?!? WHO DOES THAT?? And right before he was told his phone would be needed for evidence. Come on, who does that?!?

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

Anyone can delete anything from a phone. Besides why let the world see your private messages. Funny fbi didn't find any framing of Karen from Proctors phone. He never planted evidence😅

@oiooi6460

Ай бұрын

Yes they set up the whole conspiracy , deciding who should do what, how to persuade every paramedic, local police officer, state police officer, fire fighter and all the people at the house to lie, and how to get Troopers to plant evidence. All in a few seconds of a call. Get out of here.

@nicolaxoxo1

Ай бұрын

@@Robin-xt7yoor killed 😢

It is insane to hear these people who loved John be so blind to the actual evidence. They have all fallen victim to the gossip and think they are too smart to be fooled. But the evidence speaks for itself. His injuries could not have come from her car.

Fact, science proved he was not hit by a car!

If the mcabes, Albert’s and Higgens wanted to vindicate themselves because this conspiracy existed way before the trial started, why wouldn’t they turn their phones in? The only one who willingly gave her phone and didn’t delete anything was Karen. The rest threw phones away, deleted data, got new phones etc. it doesn’t make sense. If I was innocent I’d hand my phone right over to investigators.

@chhansen9813

Ай бұрын

Karen didnt do it willingly, for quite some time, Proctor started going through it BEFORE he had a warrant!

@Julieburk86

Ай бұрын

@@chhansen9813shame on him! He deserves to be fired

@desres2281

Ай бұрын

Jen McCabe was a very credible witness and I believe her and the others. Karen is a narcissist. 😏

@chhansen9813

Ай бұрын

@@desres2281 So how many years have you been tight with Karen? Thats what I thought, top shelf clown! Hi Jen

@ketokarbs3671

Ай бұрын

@@desres2281 Sighhhh Go away jenny

They rehomed their phones.

@user-nj9db2tg9w

Ай бұрын

They lied and said it was because someone from another case they were involved in, got their numbers. I would have asked, how many other times did you have to get rid of your phone for that reason, in your career??? I bet you they would have said, NONE.

@TDcomedyparody

Ай бұрын

Man this is golden..

@LegendLength

Ай бұрын

@@user-nj9db2tg9w I think those Proctor and Higgins are glad there will be no retrial (realistically). Otherwise they'd have to go through all that again.

@margaretconnery7422

Ай бұрын

And the family dog

@nikkinik11

Ай бұрын

And dog!!

The fact that every single person in that house either got rid of their phone or had information deleted should tell them something right there.

She is not guilty. I would be afraid of living in a town with police like they have there. No way she is guilty. It’s a shame Karen has to go back on trial. She’s never going to get to grieve. I think people have forgotten she has lost John also. How sad.

Theres a reason the prosecution isn't bringing in everyones cell data- Theres a reason no one took a picture of that taillight.. there's a reason videos are missing footage- ....and the reason is, it would all show KR is innocent.

@Amy-zs8tx

Ай бұрын

Yes yes yes!!!!! 🙌🏻

@Peace_and_Love_777.....

Ай бұрын

EXACTLY

@DD-dq1ed

Ай бұрын

Its also why the prosecution didn't call the 2 gentlemen hired by the FBI because they didn't agree with their theory that he was hit by a car instead the defense called them.

@stevenprice6957

Ай бұрын

We see the tailight haha. Take your pic It’s busted. Clearly busted at 5 am.

@galaxys6071

Ай бұрын

You hit it you hit it, you hit it! Bingo, if they did the investigation properly the Mcalberts would be in trouble

It's highly suspicious that some of these people destroyed their phones and sim cards and this doesn't bother the jury?

@TheGdav0202

Ай бұрын

Being threatened by the alberts bothers them more.

@tonystevenson26

Ай бұрын

​@@TheGdav0202ha !

I don’t feel like the prosecution proved their case. They have the burden of proof and they just couldn’t present a clear explanation of what happened.

Countless people all left that party house out the front doors but none saw a body .

@vegefranz

Ай бұрын

this case is ridiculous

@MaureenODonovan

Ай бұрын

2 acre lot body was found by the property line, far left side, covered with several inches of snow Not steps from the front door as stated by defence

@The-jesterandjoke

Ай бұрын

@@MaureenODonovan it was barely snowing when they left. There was just a dusting , the heavy snow didn’t start falling until after 3:00am

@mayag2391

Ай бұрын

@@vegefranzit really is. The level of corruption is mind boggling

@mamatoadstool8664

Ай бұрын

And no one heard his phone being called 50 times...

The sad part about this is a woman has to go on trial for a second time for something she didn't do and she has never had time to truly grieve. Johns family have been tortured by incompetence and corruption but they seem like awful people for not wanting the truth, just Karen Reads head on a platter.

@BoxerClover

Ай бұрын

"for not wanting the truth"? u have NO RIGHT to judge what THEY feel IS the truth. just because they don't agree w/u doesn't mean they want to DENY the truth. Go home to your Daddy.

@angeliqueschmidts2555

Ай бұрын

They probably won’t believe anything except what they already believe anyway 😢 - and it’s not out of meanness but what they probably truly think happened.

@wandarose9285

Ай бұрын

​@@BoxerClover denial is a strong harbor. It protects ppl when they cannot fathom or process a harsh reality. These ppl didn't attend the funeral. These ppl deleted entire conversations, got rid of a family dog, a house - all just coincidence, right? A small chip in a taillight became dozens of broken pieces. Security camera overseeing the car has a large chunk of time missing. Problematic computer searches. Listen.. the family and cops hate her. Maybe they have some reason. Maybe they feel she was abusive to him. Maybe they feel she set wheels in motion that fast forward, resulted in his death. Whether that's an affair that was found out and caused a fight and an accidental cop on cop death... they then hold HER accountable and so they can justify framing her for it. All these cops... and they're collecting "evidence" in solo cups... the communications showing collusion around "the story".. and their investigation reveals so much reasonable doubt this should NEVER have gone to trial. But that's what hate does. And they're being driven by that hate. At some point... you gotta say... those blinders are purposely on. Sorry these guys are brothers/sons to you, BUT ... if you aren't biased and are truly there on a fact-finding mission to get to thr truth... there's no way you can just ignore the fact some of this stuff is very disturbing.

@valiakloeppel7252

Ай бұрын

😂 she doesnt grieve- she smirks and actually laughs at judge.

@notsorryyouretriggered

Ай бұрын

Totally. I cant imagine the stress she’s been under but she carries it well. Karen is a woman of faith, justice will ultimately prevail.

Let’s see…lots of window activity watching SUV…lots of comings and goings….YET no one saw a body! And…Karen was back at John’s at 12:36, when all the window activity was going on….so, come on…who is lying here????

@user-ukt

Ай бұрын

Karen is the only onw with mutant eyes, because she could run to a snow covered body in the dark.

@stugrant01

Ай бұрын

Prosecution originally thought that Karen ran him over at 12;45am, so the narrative of all the conspirators was that all eyes were on Karen's vehicle constantly at 12;20 through 12;35, thru windows and doors and the car that drove up behind. But when it later came out that Karen was already home and on the wifi at 12;36, and that John had actually died at 12;29am, it was too late for the prosecution to shift all of the conspiring timeline testimonies.

@MaureenODonovan

Ай бұрын

4 minutes drive to John's house

@MaureenODonovan

Ай бұрын

​​@@stugrant01Prosecution said 12:45 at Arraignment, 2 day after on February,2nd No data was collected at that time He never said that in opening statement 0:52

@paigeedwards419

Ай бұрын

@@MaureenODonovan wrong 7-8 in good weather - and she isn't from canton

soon as they got rid off there phones case should have been thorn out and them cops charged with destroying evidence corrupt cops all the way to the top

Something was up with this jury.🧐 Whether or not you believe that Karen is innocent.The state did not prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt.This makes the jury look very suspicious in my opinion!

If they had to rip up the basement because of water problems, wouldn't there be an insurance claim? or receipts?

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

JOHN NEVER ENTERED THE HOME

@Brenda08

Ай бұрын

Good question.

@nicolaxoxo1

Ай бұрын

@@davidking6986did you watch the trial? There’s evidence he did, all those steps. People have te-enacted it on the EXACT SAME STREETS WITH THE EXACT SAME PHONE MODEL and there is no way driving down an incline would cause the phone to think the person was taking steps!

@mlo886

Ай бұрын

@@davidking6986 are you friends with them?

@stevenprice6957

Ай бұрын

So they wait 6 months haha. He never went in the house. Phone proves it. Talking about a house any house is like ? I mean why ?

Yea well what happens when certain people destroy their phones and SIM cards the DAY BEFORE THE SUBPOENA

@Esperanza19925

Ай бұрын

So why they can’t do a phone dumb on that phone ?

@missychelle33

Ай бұрын

@@Esperanza19925 a what?

@mjd111

Ай бұрын

@@missychelle33 this is what's just mind blowing 🤯

@shazzasees

Ай бұрын

​@@Esperanza19925what is a "phone dumb"?

@Robin-xt7yo

Ай бұрын

I think he/she meant phone "dump". ​@shazzasees

Karen needs to be VERY careful about what she says because she isn't free and clear, she is still under indictment, still charged, and still facing court proceedings. Anything she says can and will be used against her.

@michellesayers5346

Ай бұрын

She can say what she wants, innocent people can

Why invite people that don't know the case? This was a disaster.

Proctor did such a good he was fired today from the DA Office and stripped of his police powers.

Not one working camera on that night huh?! 🤷🏽‍♂️ A dog and house they had for years and both are gone. 🤔

@caspersroom

Ай бұрын

No ring camera on the Albert's house, which I find weird.

My conclusion based on all the evidence from both sides is that Karen did not take JO's life, but neither side can prove how his injuries DID occur.

At the end of this trial, all 12 jurors should have stood on their chairs and screamed, “How the heck did this man die? If you can’t provide me with that, how am I to judge who is guilty?” This should never, never be retried without details of the mechanism of death!!!

It's about time people realize cops can be just as dirty as criminals...

@rachell5205

Ай бұрын

In this case, worse.

@exitscreaming4637

Ай бұрын

Gee, nobody ever had that thought before

@MusaA

Ай бұрын

It's time to realise that criminals can be just as dirty as cops!!

@user-ukt

Ай бұрын

Defense lawyers are way worse in some cases/

@VerifiedVegan

Ай бұрын

Right? It’s not novel going on since the dawn of time Jesus

I cant believe the DA signed off on this case to go to trial with such little evidence . They should have been told no go back and get the evidence . Waste of taxpayers money

I would get a warrant and search where they dumped the basement concrete im guessing thats where John's blood will be and possibly the dog

This case needs to take place outside that tainted community - it was obvious that there was too much reasonable doubt

Find out what was on the phones and Sim cards that everyone got rid of and you’ll find the answer to this murder

@nataliebartholomew8761

Ай бұрын

100% correct

@ivannovotny4552

Ай бұрын

Hmm, as if detectives didn't know.

@Tess-163

Ай бұрын

It would have been just more trash talk about KR not worth losing your job over

@iamkendraofficial2174

Ай бұрын

@@Tess-163or it could have been about the death of John…

@nicolaxoxo1

Ай бұрын

Oh geez well they just coincidentally happened to lose or destroy all the phones!!

Proctor deliberately requested ONLY Android geofence data - knowing everyone had iPhones.

Questions: the motive behind the killing? Did John discover something in the Dept? What cases was he working on? What are his injuries consistent with? Why would the girlfriend be used as a cover up? Who picked up her car? Why didn’t the individual driving it up the ramp get details on the cars condition first so as not to be blamed for damage? Why was a trooper involved in this case. Does the dept have a extensive relationship with him? Why were so many in the house?

The FBI should be investigating this case! Not local police department.

@user-ukt

Ай бұрын

don't forget Whitey and FBI

@zerothree332

Ай бұрын

I agree with you 👍

If you cannot trust in the investigators in charge to conduct themselves in a professional manner, then the common person would start questioning the evidence they provided.

@mimi.honey08

Ай бұрын

Absolutely!

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

Proctor opinions. Have no bearing on the evidence in the case Guilty as charged

@LegendLength

Ай бұрын

Exactly the "evidence the jury didn't see" is Proctor's investigation of the house

@nevadatan7323

Ай бұрын

💯

@Little-miss

Ай бұрын

They do if he has them opinions why investigating the case. If after then fine, but not why investigating ​@davidking6986

It. Is. Not. The. Job. Of. The. Accused. To. Prove. Their. Innocence!

@chhansen9813

Ай бұрын

HE KNOWS THAT, HE WAS A PROSECUTOR! HES JUST A CLOWN!

@caspersroom

Ай бұрын

Exactly - the burden is on the Prosecution only, and they failed to prove their case, imho.

From expert evidence and common sense no vehicle struck oKeefe but some dog attacked him- none of that speaks to murder

I don't think I'm going to waste time watching this video based on the responses. The trial and testimonies were clear; the Commonwealth did not meet the burden of proof! It should have been not guilty all around and Karen Read should have been acquitted.

How do you get an unbiased jury after such a high profile case? Let it go

@dawnmills6755

Ай бұрын

Move the trial to NH far, far away from Canton and the crazy pink shirts.

@michellesayers5346

Ай бұрын

​@@dawnmills6755and the dirty McAlberts

@mooshie504

Ай бұрын

I don’t think they just let a murder case go. Karen is going to get away with murder because of the defenses lies though.

@mooshie504

Ай бұрын

Her tail light was found at the scene and tiny pieces of it were ground into his sweatshirt. Either it was planted or she hit him. There is no third option. No evidence it was planted or anyone else killed him. Everything points to crazy Karen!

@Tony525_

Ай бұрын

@@mooshie504 if you're a moron...I hope you never get on a jury

There are a few things that really bother me about M Proctor. As despicable as I believe he is, I believe his actions/ comments were the Culture of his Departmenr. When he could get away with saying such savage stuff about KELR TO HIS SUPERVISOR and get away with it. It can only be the Culture of his department. He can’t be used as the Scapegoat, his Supervisor must be held accountable as well! His Supervisor is and should be his Mentor. That Supervisor she be held accountable every bit as Michael Proctor. If one must go then both of them need to go immediately! I’d love to know how M Proctor explained to his Mother how he could be so degrading to another woman.

John's phone, laying perfectly underneath his body.

They didn’t prove the conspiracy theory. I am here for John. 💙💙💙💙💙

@michellesayers5346

Ай бұрын

Defense don't have to prove anything

Hard to get the truth when phones have been dumped and wiped and the lead investigator has done zero by the book

@Schnickums

Ай бұрын

That’s reasonable doubt in a nutshell

The state proved nothing in this case. I actually thought KR was guilty until I watched this whole trial.

@ritaeichler2066

Ай бұрын

Lally was not as dynamic in presenting the case like jackson waz. Despite his poor speaking ability , i do believe there is lots of evidence that she is guilty of manslaughter. The DA should get a different prosecutor & another reconstruction expert for a retrial.

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

I did the opposite . Guilty as charged

@mandystrong8196

Ай бұрын

@@davidking6986 Agree. Karen Read was out of her mind that night. Blackout drunk rage filled with hate towards John.

@nicolaxoxo1

Ай бұрын

@@mandystrong8196SCIENCE (as explained by the top experts hired by the FBI) does NOT support JO ever having been struck by a vehicle!!! SCIENCE does not support her car’s damage being caused by a 24 mph collision with a pedestrian . Case closed!!!

@stevenprice6957

Ай бұрын

I thought she was. After the trial I knew she was. Guilty.

Correct me if I am wrong. But I'm fairly certain they did not test John's arm wounds for dog DNA as they just stated. They tested his shirt that came back pig blood/dna that Fyi some dog treats have.

Couldn’t subpoena there phone, they destroyed there phones . Only a guilty person would do that

Hey Rick Gundry, change the batteries in your smoke detector. 🤪

@bethneel6749

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂

The Drunk Butt dialing town where the legal drinking age is 16.

Those wounds do not look consist with a broken tail light! Where is the forensics, and autopsy report? The medical professional in court.

There should be a receipt for water repair damage. Come on.

DOES ANYONE ELSE HEAR THE SMOKE DETECTOR CHIRPING in one of these guys homes. 😂😂😂😂

@dianea8275

Ай бұрын

I thought it was in my house at first! 😂😂

@ImAlxxy

Ай бұрын

Literally makes me disregard anything he said even if I agree. Its a sign of an idiot, even if the idiot is correct

Judge gave impression of bias for commonwealth

@chhansen9813

Ай бұрын

No, bias for the McMorons!

We don't actually know how divided the jury was!

NO NO NO, 38:50 J.O's arm WAS NOT Tested for dog DNA, his shirt was. J.o. was already buried months later when k r's defense came up with 'Chloe bite'. They NEVER EXHUMED j.o.!! They tested his shirt!

@dawnmills6755

Ай бұрын

They tested his shirt because that's what the "supposed dog" bit down on, if it happened, NOT on his skin.

🎉Proctor got rehomed🎉

@cathflorence761

Ай бұрын

😅😅😅😂😂💥💥

If they had nothing to hide why did they get rid of the phones

@Amy-zs8tx

Ай бұрын

Bingo!!!!

@shazzasees

Ай бұрын

I'm thinking because of shady things not related to this case, possibly.

@notsorryyouretriggered

Ай бұрын

@@shazzaseesOk well keep thinking

@ritaeichler2066

Ай бұрын

Why wouldnt they hide the dead body rather than leaving it on his own front lawn for public view? Absurd!!

@smurf902

Ай бұрын

AND renovate the basement AND get rid of the dog

Conspiracies are a JOKE

Sadly The Prosecution can keep bringing her to court until they get a conviction & I bet they do get it 😢

@rebeccacampbell8020

Ай бұрын

Hopefully the feds will keep them from doing that, or, the mayor.

I don't want another trial, but I'd love to see Proctor squirm and have to testify again after being relieved of duty.

@chhansen9813

Ай бұрын

Hes transferred

@ROBINstrawBERRYwine

Ай бұрын

I agree and I also think the FEDS need to find out what car he was driving that night/morning and retrieve the gps data from it

@chhansen9813

Ай бұрын

@@ROBINstrawBERRYwine Maybe he took an Uber!

Vinnie. Karen Read is innocent. Did you not listen to the testimony? Karen deserves the Truth Also!!!!!!!!!!!

I really hate how one judge has the power to decide what is admissible and what is not. They should be allowed to admit basically anything, and let the jury sift through it. If somebody brings in ridiculous evidence that only hurts their case, but a lot of things that aren't shown to a jury could be very helpful.

There was no search of house , phones were messed with . House had been remodeled, and sold , the dog . Too much missing pieces.

Strangely no body cameras no ring cameras no taped witness statements no signed witness statements then doctored police videos and they convienietly destroyed her BLACK BOX -WHO DOES THAT BUT BENT COPS?

@MaureenODonovan

Ай бұрын

Black box shows Karen killed John

@SockGrlz

Ай бұрын

@MaureenODonovan Trpr Guarino testimony on Direct Qstning said the black box ie the chip w the data was destroyed from them trying to retrieve it. That's why Trooper Paul had only a little to work with (Key cycles only, without the GPS and time of day assoc to key cycles). If the full Blackbox data had survived, then this would have been over, either Karen exonerated or not. So given that why would Norfolk Co DA/Troopers not pulled out all the stops to preserve it? Why not get FBI experts to do what they do best? Mistakes like that are what leave such Qs in Peoples/Jurors minds. It starts to look shady how many mistakes the police made. @DutyRon, Ed Wallace, @JoeGiacalone and many more are aghast at how accepted police processes weren't followed, ie like no witness statements were taped nor signed statements. Etc. If police do not do their jobs properly, sadly a case is never going to be successful.

@SockGrlz

Ай бұрын

@MaureenODonovan Source: Court testimony June 20 (day 28 of the trial) Trpr Guarino at the end of his testimony describe to the prosecutor that he tried several times to remove the Black Box chip from the Lexus, and didn't know how, and asked a Trooper from Calif to try to help and eventually destroyed the chip.

@zirconiumdiamond1416

Ай бұрын

​@@MaureenODonovan the car data Trooper Paul spoke to was from two key turns before his testing. That would have been when the car was getting loaded onto the flatbed, and couldn't possibly be related to the alleged collision.

The judge wouldn’t allow the phone records! Defense only got some records due to the FBI investigation

Shame on you vinnie , track all the people there that night ? Youre so disingenuous, its gross

the truth and evidence you need is; that woman googling 'how long for a body to die in the cold', that the cops in the house didn't go out when the rescuers and police were all over their lawn, the dog they got rid off and the carpet in their cellar they got rid off and all their phones for starters

@hardtakeoff

15 күн бұрын

Agree on all points here. To add: O'Keefe was badly beaten. Just take a look at dude's face and you can tell that would take multiple blows, not the damage you would sustain from a car impact.

@chilikonkarma

13 күн бұрын

@@hardtakeoff exactly, also you don't get a specific wound as a black eye from being hit by a car like he had

There was a flurry of activity with all the ‘butt dials’ between all these people. It proved nothing. I don’t see how this case can ever be proven to a huge degree of certainty. It’s an absolute mess and the Police should be ashamed of themselves, the way they let down one of their own!

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

Butt dials were just hang ups and let go to answering machine. That's no proof

@lisajeter9511

Ай бұрын

They not only let down one of their own. They covered it up to protect another one of their own.

@user-ukt

Ай бұрын

Its not their fault that she cant butt dial

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

@@lisajeter9511 proove it FBI couldn't

@berrty

Ай бұрын

@@davidking6986So you’re saying they have closed their case? I don’t think so.

SHE IS INNOCENT & THE PEOPLE IN THAT HOUSE ARE GUILTY AS SIN

@MaureenODonovan

Ай бұрын

Where is the evidence he entered the house? GPS says he never entered the house. Along with several witnesses

they need to check his clothes for dog hair. If he was in a room with a German shepherd believe me he will have dog hair on his clothes!

why are people not charged with perjury and/or destruction of evidence? AREN'T THOSE CRIMES? COPS ABOVE THE LAW?

It’s difficult to believe that no neighbors home security cameras were not checked out or working!?

@ritaeichler2066

Ай бұрын

This case would be solved if the Alberts or nearby neigh ors had camera surveillance like in the Troconis case.

@davidking6986

Ай бұрын

Karen's Guilty

@deewilkerson2994

Ай бұрын

@@davidking6986 As long as folks like you focus on KR, the real killers walk.

@nicolaxoxo1

Ай бұрын

@@ritaeichler2066the difference is that at least some neighbors were Albert family friends or fellow cops. I would guess the “Asians” (this is how the McAlberts labeled them!) next door tried to stay out of this due to intimidation. People were and are afraid of the Alberts

@karena5641

Ай бұрын

The only one who seemed to have a camera was the cop who lived across the street, but no worries... he checked his camera himself and there was nothing to see there.. 🙄

Rick please change the batteries in your smoke alarm

The fact that everyone at that house destroyed their phones is proof enough for me they did it and not Karen