it's really nice to see folks have found ways to keep these things up and running! 12 cores and 24 threads, even if on an older architecture, can still do a lot of good work

Great editing on the video man. Loved it

I am giving a sub. This video was clearly very well made, and so underrated

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated!

I was going to do this 2 years ago just when old video card prices went nuts. I think you just motivated me to try again.

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

never been a better time than now. Might as well get it in while you still can.

Great to the point video, well done.

Really nice vid. Looks like you put a lot of effort in

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

Thanks a ton! I think I over-edited a little bit, but I'm getting better with each one, as people do.

@montaguebarnabasltd

Жыл бұрын

@@spottedtango it’s a style lol, however you decide to edit videos works as your personality on KZread honestly

subbed! just got a '12 and im looking to max this machine out and keep it in my collection!

Thanks for this info great video! I actually bought a bio chip to flash for my rx580

really a great guide!

I did this to my Mac Pro a few years ago.. but at the time i didnt know how to flash for generic GPUs.. this is great

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, it's pretty much antiquated all the old methods in my opinion. Been using my 5,1 a lot since this upload with zero issues relating to this patch.

@nickatnoon6196

9 ай бұрын

how to flash for generic GPUs???? WHAT does that mean in proper legible English?

@spottedtango

9 ай бұрын

read the linked post for the topic in the description

You sir earned yourself a new sub and the first video in my private playlist called Operation: Cheese grater. I inherited a 5,1 with all the memory slots maxed out at 64GB. Sadly, I get a black screen when I start her up and so I'll have to get a used Radeon 5770 to get the party started. I do appreciate the "what to knows" and I have already taken a pic for my firmware version. I do also appreciate the hardware suggestions. If it all goes well which it should, I would like to go for the 6700XT for maximum face melting at some point. Overall, I just like the cut of your jib. Cheers!

Umm my cd drive opened is this normy?

thanks for this video super helpful, everything is going well except the icons in my menu bar are fishing and I've found no fix for it

Thanks for the content, will definitely have a look and attempt! Have to say all those iPod wallpapers keep confusing me!!

Because of your video, I bought a MacPro 5.1 2012 2x2.4 Ghz, 24 Gb ram, 240 Gb SSD, 500 HDD, 640 Gb HDD, ATI Radeon HD 5770 1Gb, High Sierra for 2000 DDK(about $183). I have installed a USB3 PCI and Asus 4xNVME with a 512 Gb NVme M2 card. On another 256 Gb SSD with Win 10 Pro.

I'm happy with my 2010. Found a flashed GTX 680 on eBay. Then added a USB 3 card. Then put a 2.5" SSD in an adapter into a drive bay. Then put a NVME in a PCI-e card. It's quite the machine now. Bootable with Monterey, Mohave, or Windows. One note, the SATA ports are SATA 2, don't bother spending extra money for superfast SSDs. The NVME in PCI-e slot is noticeably faster.

Hello ! Please guide me.Because of work, I still have OS X 10.9.5 - and am using Card radeon 5770 1gb - I want to upgrade my card, which card should I choose to use OSX 10.9.5? Please help. ❤❤

Thank you for your contribution to keeping these marvels alive. After them, it was all sealed-box city and programmed obsolescence.

@spottedtango

8 ай бұрын

I truly tried my hardest. 12 year old power supplies won out in the end sadly. But my latest hackintosh has kept the soul of this machine with me. So that makes me happy I tried and fell for the idea the 5,1 represents.

My main workhorse mac❤️

Thanks for this. We have to work with some older sd format video for a film and are updating from a souped up 2007 1,1 Can the firewire cards and Sata cards be switched to the 5,5 MacPro?

Had a dual xeon X5650 IBM i dumpster dived in 2021 and used it a bit in 2022, was too pain to use on my arch linux install.

I got real excited then realized I have a MacPro 2.26. I've had this for years. Slot 1 is a .5TB SSD for WIN OS and slot 2 a 1TB HD for WIN Storage. Slot 3&4 are the same respectively, but for the MAC OS. I never had that boot screen just pop up. I would plug in my Apple keyboard and hold option when I wanted to switch the boot drive for the other OS. years ago I put in an AMD Firepro 5100 and could never get to my Mac OS again. I thought perhaps it was because Apple didn't like AMD chips and that if I put an Nvidia powered GPU in there that then I could get to the MAC OS once again. Today I just switched to a Quadro Pro P2000. Got WIN10 back up, but holding down Option key during boot didnt bring me to the BIOS or boot screen or whatever it was I used to do all those years ago. Is it possible to use your methods on the 2.26? Should I just wipe the MAC drives and leave this pipe dream alone? I'd love to be able to have the machine stop at a boot screen everytime and then chose which OS I wanna use. The reason I primarily stick to WIN is because I've been WIN autocad user for years.

@JacobMcMarley

9 ай бұрын

Now that I think about it, I think I had to open the OS and select a new default boot disk then restart. Which is more of a pain. If I can restore the boot screen on a 2.2 like you have done and just pick the boot disk there, then that would be amazing.

Bro this was a great video!! I have Ventura working on my 4,1 flashed to 5,1 but never know about the firmware flash to get the boot screen. To confirm you are able to get the boot screen on the RX580 with this mod? I have the same card.

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

Hey, Thanks for checking it out! Glad you liked it! I can't know 100% for hardware I don't own obviously. But I've seen somewhere on forums that the model of RX 580 8G* *specifically, not sure about 4G models. Works no problems! Apparently vendor doesn't matter. Not sure if this works with 4,1 patched to 5,1 though. Might want to check that out yourself before you go messing with the firmware chip!

@TheRealEstate

Жыл бұрын

@@spottedtango sounds good I’m going to check it out now. Thanks again.

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

@@TheRealEstate Good luck to you! I'd appreciate you following up on this for fellow Mac Pro'ers!

@TheRealEstate

Жыл бұрын

@@spottedtango definitely will do!

@TheRealEstate

Жыл бұрын

OMG the Mac Firmware Patch worked. I now have a native Boot screen. This has been a 3 year journey!!!

Would you pls make a video how is step by step to flash Rx580 for Bootscreen ? Because it is very complicated Thx !

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

Nope, in my opinion, that method of resolving the bootscreen issue is outdated. This video, and the link posted in the description called "bootscreen fix" is the best method for fixing native boot screen. 9:05-13:33 How to install Mojave and add Native Bootscreen Support

Good day Luke, I have a Mac Pro 4,1 that has been flash to a 5,1 with 2010 firmware installed upgrade from 2009. I want to know if I could get some assistance from you on this unit. I am a PC guy and have built many Pc units for my studio. Thought I would start triny to come over to MAC., I have some question if you willing to help sir. Let me know and I can tell you the story on this unit and the headache it has caused my pockets. thanks for your time. Lance

One question. Should I change my bluetooth devices for Mac pro 5.1 from high sierra to Mojave ( then mojave to Monterey ) ? I do not want to invest in bluetooth 4.0 or 4.2.

I've tinkered with OpenCore and updated firmware - but I was unaware of the one that restores boot screens outside of OpenCore... Cool. My 5,1 is my pseudo-retro cRPG CRT gaming rig. I had an RX580, I've used a WX5100, and I'm currently running a Titan Black just to be difficult. Also, Linux. Since the SteamDeck launched, the whole compatibility layer is really impressive (it wasn't bad before, but I don't even have to use community builds anymore). The option of GPUs is also quite open, as long as you always remember that PCIe 2.0 limitation. Nonetheless I've seen guys running RX6800s in these with some tweaks, and the dual 5680/90 chips still push frames. I have been putting up with the blank loading screen because, well, the CRT has to warm up anyways... The 5,1 is the best computer Apple ever made... save maybe the SE/30...

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

Awesome man, more who know the better! I agree that the 5,1 is a one of a kind Mac. Considering I just edited this video on it, it's serving it's purpose better than my rtx 3080 5800x PC on resolve. Granted for the money I'm sure an M1 Refurb would wipe it. But I think if it is doing the job well, and I can have modularity, that's the solution for me. Would love to see a video going over your setup and why you chose a 5,1!

@mojoblues66

Жыл бұрын

I have flashed UEFI on a GT650 to see the boot screen, avoiding to flash the Mac Firmware.

I managed to install and boot Monterey(v12.7.2) on my Asus 4xNVME with a 512 Gb NVme M2 card. 😃

Hi, Where can we find Mac software that'll run on Mojave, Sierra and High Sierra? Thanks

You say "I really recommend dual booting between Mojave, because it's the latest natively supported operating system and an open core OS of your choice, this is because open core won't boot Mojave or anything lower. That means that in the event where you need to troubleshoot something because you have a dead drive you'll need to be able to boot those older os's, and without boot screen support you won't be able to deselect the EFI boot…" Okay, I'm confused. You say you recommend booting between Mojave and open core OS of choice, but then you say open core won't boot Mojave or anything lower.

@spottedtango

6 ай бұрын

Yeah, OpenCore is a boot loader. You select it as a boot option from the native Mac bootloader. You can also select a regular and supported version of macOS as opposed to OpenCore from the native Mac bootloader as long as: the Mac natively supports the os and the mac has proper graphics support in the form of a flashed card or flashed bootROM. You would do so by holding Option/Alt on power on.

Hi Great vid, could you use a 2070super? have all the other bits, and am fed up with pc..

@spottedtango

4 ай бұрын

There are no drivers on modern macOS for NVIDIA GPUs

hi there, I have a Mac Pro 5,1 2012 and just installed a RX 580, isn't it possible to install Mojave directly, or using OpenCore app, without doing the risky part? I've seen another video which states you only need to use OpenCore and a separate empty drive to boot from, and you're good to go...?

@spottedtango

11 ай бұрын

Hi, to answer you questions: The firmware flash mod for GPU boot screens carries risk due to manipulating your firmware chip. a bad flash could lead to a brick, but the video and linked guides make it fairly fool-proof. Regarding Mojave, you do not strictly need to do the flashmod to use mojave, nor do you need to use opencore, you can't use OCLP for mojave actually, maybe other custom versions/installs of opencore can boot mojave, but not OCLP which is a distinct flavor of opencore made for simplifying old macs being used on newer than natively supported versions of macOS. You do however need to update your BootROM before mojave will install, but that is handled by the installer itself and that must be done though High Serria. Didn't try a USB installer myself but I imagine it WONT work if you're trying to do it off the RX580 because of the lack of boot screen support on the RX580. Bootscreen support can only be added after mojave's BootROM update, and therefore, after mojave's been installed. Long story short, just install your rx580 with your drive on high serria, install mojave (and it's included BootROM patch), apply the optional bootscreen fix rom patch or don't, but I do recommend it. Then you can also install opencore legacy patcher if you want later OSes but I personally do not bother with them. Mojave is good enough for everything I use the mac for. Opencore can also allow the RX580 to display JUST IT'S OWN boot select screen, but OCLP specifically doesn't boot old oses like mojave (again, maybe you could work around this, but I wouldn't). If you want native like bootscreens regardless of opencore and just like a vanilla mac GPU, do the patch. The patch also make's OCLP's own bootscreen options irrelevant as the patch also works in OC bootscreens.

@spottedtango

11 ай бұрын

Basically, the video covers things in good order for success.

@FrancescoDAndrea

9 ай бұрын

Sorry I never thanked you for your reply....thanks! I will just install Mojave from high sierra with the normal installer today.....fingers crossed! @@spottedtango

I have a mac pro that i believe its 5.1 that gaven to me. BUT, it does not have any GPU (heard that previous owner put gtx980ti and someone took that gpu and leave the macpro abandoned) so no bootscreen but the machine indicator light just okay. So, i don't know where to start since to find the native GPU (i think HD 5770) is impossible to find or super expensive.

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

you can start with an RX 580. Or any potentially compatible gpu. You just wont get native bootscreen until you get the firmware patch done.

@AmirHamzah_MAHBAR

Жыл бұрын

@@spottedtango Lets say i buy the RX 580 (Sapphire Nitro as you suggest on video), that RX should put on another motherboard Windows PC and put firmware patch?

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

@@AmirHamzah_MAHBAR the firmware patch goes on the firmware chip of the Mac not the Gpu itself. It's all in the video if you need to check out that section of the video again.

@AmirHamzah_MAHBAR

Жыл бұрын

@@spottedtango i'll start buy RX 580 or compatible gpu first then i'll start from there. Thanks for help!

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

@@AmirHamzah_MAHBAR No problem. You just need the 580 or whatever gpu you like that'll work in a cMP at all, mojave on the latest bootROM 144.something, and that guide in the description should be able to hand hold the rest of the actual flashing process nicely. Few others in this comment section have done it, know you'll nail it.

How to upgrade to SSD for MacPro 2009? Can I take advantage to re-use SSD 128Gb from macbook Pro 2015? Thanks

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

I understand if you have limited part selection, but for that 2009 you would need a PCI express add in card like shown in my video. To use an SSD from a 2015 MBP I think you would need an adapter. I'm pretty sure at that point Apple switched to using proprietary SSDs. With that in mind, it would make more sense to purchase a new SSD that is natively compatible. At least in my market. It might be different for your personal situation, I can't say. But they are not out of box compatible with each other, I believe.

I bought a Shppire RX 590 8Gb for 850 DKK (approx. $124)

Any chance that M.2 card works with BootCamp? Would love to have MacOS on one blade and Windows 10 on the other.

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

I haven't tested windows on my 5,1. But I believe it's possible to do a non-bootcamp Windows 10 via MBR installer (UEFI install can hurt your mac, don't use it.) to an m.2 in the mac. You need to grab the drivers from bootcamp separately. As far as I understand it the bootcamp assistant doesn't work. Should be a guide out there somewhere to confirm or deny this info and guide you proper.

@tomdfrog

Жыл бұрын

@@spottedtango I have been running Windows 10 on an SSD in one of the factory drive bays for years. OWC used to sell a PCIe Storage Card which was bootable for Windows. But when It crapped out and new ones were no longer available, I went back to the drive bay. It is a little clunky to set-up BootCamp on a 5,1 as the support from Apple is vintage (meant for Win7!). a 2013 MacPro is FAR easier to set-up and I have been moving my work machines to them. Thanks to WinClone from TwoCanoes, moving my BootCamp over to a new drive is easy. I just need a PCIe M.2 card which supports MacOS and Windows booting. I would really like to hang on to my remaining 5,1 machines which have 12-cores.

Why your system firmware version is 999.999.999.999.999 instead of 144.000.000.000.000 ? Is it the same for nvme installation?

@spottedtango

5 ай бұрын

I assume that's a quirk of booting off opencore/OCLP. part of it's job is to spoof system information to allow installation of and the running of newer versions of macOS on legacy hardware. The firmware version is correct when booting Mojave without opencore, and if you're planning on flashing your firmware: do not do so while booted through opencore!

Great video, but why did you blur out the serial?

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

Because I don't want hackintoshers getting my 5,1 blacklisted when (if) they spoof my machine

@mojoblues66

Жыл бұрын

@@spottedtango Wow, I never heard of that problem before, do you happen to have a link where I can find more about it?

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

not really, but you can write in any information you would like into your simulated BIOS when hackintoshing. There are more modern methods to unlock features like iMessage, which required a real serial number previously. However, that doesn't mean that someone couldn't take a random serial from say a KZreadrs Mac.

@mojoblues66

Жыл бұрын

@@spottedtango Ok, got it, but what about the blacklisting? Who would blacklist the machine? Apple?

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

@@mojoblues66 Correct yeah. Apple had previously been known to blacklist serials being mass used by hackintoshes to access services like iMessage. Obviously a serial should be unique to one machine. Therefore it was a good way for them to shoot back at people doing what they want, in classic apple fashion.

The only risk involved is due to the competence of the person doing the job. I have built many with no ‘risk’ factor.

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

flashing system chips on a non-battery backed power circuit always carries risk. That said, I take your point.

Bro used every single transition available in Final Cut… Every. Single One. LOL!

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

They're like pringals. Can't have just one. 😅

Every instruction about Mac Pro and Mojave assumes you have functioning MacOS. What to do it you got Mac PRO without disc and you don't have secondary mac. ?

@spottedtango

3 ай бұрын

Option+CMD+R to start web recovery, might not work though due to the age of the last supported os. If it does you can upgrade from there with this guide to High Serria support.apple.com/en-us/101578 Or what's more likely to work is, you can use the "create the usb" sections of the Dortania's guide to grab MacOS on another os. Simply ignore the bits pertaining to OpenCore dortania.github.io/OpenCore-Install-Guide/installer-guide/linux-install.html#downloading-macos

I thought opencore was for hackintoshes

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

not exclusively, using specifically, the opencore legacy patcher branch, you can near effortlessly adapt older Macs to newer operating systems. I stick with Mojave, however.

t's really a shame Apple killed the Intel Mac Pro. Apple silicon is great and all but X86 still has its place. They coudl have kept both around and used being multi platform as an advantage for their own in house technology. Instead they force users into upgrading to lower power machines with less features. Like remember when you could just upgrade the ram?

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

Apple Silicon is a great product, makes tons of sense for apple to push hard towards that, it's more power efficient than anything on the market for it's performance metrics. Considering they're historically anemic cooling solutions for their partner chips (looking at you 2008-2012 15in MBP GPU failures) it's overall a good move. But yeah, as I've gotten older we've gone from socketed cpus on everything, standard storage and upgradeable memory -- to M2/ NO UPGRADES OOB Period. We're manufacturing E-Waste.

I went through every step of the native boot screen support instructions. And I was able to flash my firmware chip successfully according to the dialog box. I restarted my Mac and held the option key and still no boot menu. I followed instructions meticulously for fear of bricking my Mac. Do you know of anything I may have missed?

@spottedtango

7 ай бұрын

it may sound stupid, but are you sure you flashed the right (self-modified) file? Are you sure you selected your model of rom chip correctly on the dump and re-flash?

@ShawnBustamante

7 ай бұрын

Hey thanks for responding. I flashed it with the GopFirmware.bin file that was created when I typedIt showed the correct SN for my rom chip before I flashed. I confirmed it with the pic I took. It said the flash was successful. I'm going through all the steps again to make sure I didn't miss anything. I will let you know if I have a question or hit a snag. Thanks again.

@ShawnBustamante

7 ай бұрын

Ok so I downloaded the latest OpenCore release and looked for the EnableGop.ffs file but the only one I could find is EnableGop_1.4.ffs so I put that in my home folder and typed in the commandThen when I hit return I got this.

@ShawnBustamante

7 ай бұрын

The comments are deleting my terminal prompts. Hope you know what I'm trying to say. ./DXEInject Firmware.bin GopFirmware.bin EnableGop.ffs QIODevice::read (QFile, "EnableGop.ffs"): device not open This is what it gives me.

@ShawnBustamante

7 ай бұрын

@@spottedtango ok so I figured out I had change the name of the file in the command prompt to match the 1 in m folder but it still didn’t enable the boot screen. It said flash was successful and I restarted machine and held option key. I’m perplexed!

why would someone go thru so much for an old ass computer? lol...

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

Why do people do anything? Life is work, and I'll stop when I die. Nah but, it's cause the 5,1 is still a killer workstation for editing music and videos. Sometimes you need pci-e slots and don't have 13 grand for the new mac pro.

@c4n0

Жыл бұрын

Lol why take the time to make this comment here? That actually makes no sense

I have one of the initial generation Mac Pro Towers which has had something bite the dust several years ago. I get very angry at Apple when I have to look at it sitting in the corner of my office thinking of the money I spent and now it is useless. I wish I could somehow sue Apple for how they have manipulated and ripped people off over the last couple decades 😡😡😡😡🤬🤬🤬

@spottedtango

Жыл бұрын

yeah man, I hear you, Apple has a long history of hardware defects that they refuse to acknowledge. They're so anti-user service as well, it's hard to defend them. That being said the Mac Pro does not have any known hardware flaws, known to me anyway. Meaning some thing worthy of a recall. not that Apple would've done one anyway. If you serviced it yourself or had it professionally serviced every year or so then you have nobody else to blame but them. That being said, I would be curious to biopsy such a case. I wonder what could have broken within the mac to render it unrepairable. Most pieces in the mac pros of any generation are replaceable. You'd need a pretty major fault, say in the backplane or CPU card to render one not worth the salvage attempt.

..Then wait no longer! Throw your mac to the garbage and get yourself a workstation gradfe PC😆