“Oh, Tomer’s camera isn’t working this week, okay. Wait why’s there letters being delet-“

The real struggle for Phil was not including risen reef in his deck

The conversation at the end make me want there to be a week where everyone plays a tribe where you don't play the color the tribe is primarily in. Humans without wite, zombies without black, merfolk without blue, dragons without red. Would be fun.

@Spaced92

Жыл бұрын

I usually don't like the themed weeks as much, but this and your idea are more fun than the usual stuff we get. The alphabet ones off the top of my head are the worst lmao.

@pixelbomb97

Жыл бұрын

Take it from me, you literally just can't build a blueless merfolk, there just isn't enough. Honestly blueless wizards is probably the better bet.

@Bongus_Bubogus

Жыл бұрын

I should get some kind of English credit for writing this, but here goes: Usually that leads to playing a lot of changelings to fill in the gaps for tribes predominately the color they’re in, and loses the identity of the tribe. A few tribes (mainly tribes without a strong singular color identity, such as humans) look okay with a color loss, but most don’t. Dragons outside of red, for example, is perfectly doable because they are really five color more than anything, but Merfolk on the other hand are mostly blue, with a green glaze and white sprinkles. There is almost no black and red Merfolk, so playing non-blue Merfolk is really hard. Losing the predominant color of the tribes usually also loses the main payoffs and synergies of playing the tribes, so it’s probably gonna be like not even playing that tribe in the first place. I’ve gotten to this theory after a lot of thinking, and lots of tribes probably won’t play well with this restriction. I’m thinking Goblins outside of red, Slivers taking a color or two away, Birds without white and/or blue (check it out, so many of them aren’t Azorius), non-Orzhov Clerics, Shamans minus green, Knights without white, Ninjas without either blue or black (losing even one is pretty bad though) are all decent enough options for the theme. I couldn’t find much else with a little bit of looking. I thought Druids were like Shamans and Wizards on how ubiquitous they were outside of their main color of green, but nope, only a few aren’t green. Most tribes are like that, so if you do want to do this research ahead of time is probably warranted. Some tribes are kinda weird too with their color identity, such as Samurai which have both good options for mono red and mono white, and only recently got commanders for both red and white, so I’m not sure if they even have a predominant color. Taking only one of the colors away doesn’t change the formula much, but there is only a handful of Samurai outside of Boros, so little that without changelings it isn’t even a tribal deck anymore. That’s why it seems to me like only a small portion of tribes would even be a good idea with the color restriction theme. Some don’t even have enough creatures in the first place to make a tribal deck (I refer to Richard’s Shark tribal deck he played a while ago).

@blueplayer6197

Жыл бұрын

@@Bongus_Bubogus You are right but there are only 4 players, which means jund birds (there's over 50), Temur knights (almost 60), greenless elves (a bit over 60) and blackless zombies (70) would actually work out. I think humans, dragons, slivers, are way too overpowered for this, ninjas without blue are just over 20, that's a no go, golgari goblins are only 36 (I don't include non-commander legal ones) so I don't like it either as they will force a lot of out-of-tribe support. Wizards are as busted as dragons slivers and humans featuring a 273 wizards pool without blue, however limiting them to white and green only makes it merely 82, which is acceptable at least (both black and red feature about 90 wizards each! alone!) So I think great suggestion - if limited to exactly the tribes and colors I mentioned or tribes with a similar pool.

@bluedog4248

Жыл бұрын

@@Bongus_Bubogus yeah definitely. I feel like a restriction for something like this should be no changelings allowed. But seeing out of color synergies would be really interesting as the main issue with all tribal decks is they snowball so hard, and without your anthem creatures, or card draw payoffs you have to do different stuff

such a treat to have Tom back, the table always just has an immediate calm and positive energy

Another fun episode for sure, but a bit disappointing that Selesnya humans wasn't featured. Especially since it was what sparked the whole debate and in turn the theme for this week.

No matter who punts this week, the crew can just play it off as "Human" error.

20:29 I wonder how it feels for Phil to literally be called a “human” in his native language. Appropriate for human week I guess.

I guess the original question: if selesnya humans are viable, was answered in how nobody chose to run the card featured in the podcast to begin with

@highdark4

Жыл бұрын

Yea, I thought the whole debate was about Kyler humans (or Katilda humans).

@MTGGoldfishCommander

Жыл бұрын

I was planning to run Katilda as my Commander before I couldn't make it :(

@vivianboor14

Жыл бұрын

Selesnia humans are definitely viable, crims entire thing about board wipes seemed to ignore like, heroic intervention, teferi' s protection, akromas will, etc etc. Jaheira, Friend of the Forest stomps both Kylar and Katilda though IMO

@Lucarioguild7

Жыл бұрын

Yeah I was initially excited by how quick the turn around was from the discussion to them actually testing it but then we didnt get the mardu versus selesnya showdown

@RyanEglitis

Жыл бұрын

At least we got to see a super interesting 5c Jodah build instead 😒🥱

Phil on human week: “these aggro decks!”

Tom has Champion of Lambholt in the deck, one of my very favorite creatures, and especially great for "Humans"

Seth's riding a hearse to value town

Phil: does nothing Everyone else: Chulane too scary, get him out of here.

After the podcast, I was hoping this would happen. Looks very interesting and full of inspiration for all those human-lovers.

Poor Phil - even the guests gang up with the others to kill him first :(

@froggystrap1232

Жыл бұрын

lol Chulane is kill on sight

Can we have Tom back more often? He's always been my favorite

@randomstuff403

Жыл бұрын

I feel like my dream cast would be Seth, Richard, Tom and Phil

My human tribal deck is Volo Itenerant Scholar // Haunted One. Each creature is at least two types, human and something unique. So when I cast a creature I name the offtype for Volo but when I tap Volo to draw, he gives my whole board undying and the attack buff.

Good to see mr MTGRadio back! lets go Tom!

Tom was nice to have on just to see cards from before 2020

I just watched the acrobatics intro and cried from laughter!!! 😂 poor girl

whenever phil mentions value, I hear the "spam" monty python song as a choir of phils singing "value value value, valuey valueeee, valuey valueee!".

So happy to see this one so soon after the podcast

First game I'm actually watching as it premieres, let's see how this goes!

So a all human week and then no one plays an actual commander that’s for human tribal with its abilities except crim playing partners

This has got to be the best episode of the season so far. Welcome back Tom!

TOM! I already love this episode

I feel like phil could have played heroic intervention instead of bouncing his augur of autumn to fizzle the exile ability, and then he would have been able to tank more of that huge swing by seth

@RyanEglitis

Жыл бұрын

Agreed - he was locked in on the Time Wipe, though it probably works out better if he goes for the selective Dusk wrath instead.

Really excited to see Tom back.

Great episode guys, I loved this one

This is a strong theme, guys. 👍

Great to see Tom again. Great Clash.

only in the intro, and I am sold! Tom is definitely one of my favorite past hosts

TOM GOT UNFIRED!!!

Favorite theme here, I have 5 different human decks. Alesha combo humans Trynn/Silvar with Winota secret commander, sacrificial humans that come with a friend Ghired human tokens (like actual human tokens, not random tokens) Kogla mono green humans And my favorite, Saskia legendary humans And I also have a Naya werewolves deck with Winota as secret commander, so that's kinda humans too

Tom is always welcome, Also good week

Obsessed with how Tom pronounces “Limited” at 13:26

Phil just doesn't get to play, i am kinda sad for him :(

Oh sick one of my favorite tribes hope jirina kudro is here.

Disappointing that nobody played Saskia humans, but otherwise sweet episode.

That "aaaand Transitionnnn .... " bit got me so hard

Ghired is one my favorite cards. I'm also excited for more Dinos from return to Ixalan. Also, Crim Humans made me cry with laughter. *Clash On* !

Yay Tom is back =)

Phil is almost always targeted first before anything even happens. Sometimes it’s a little hard to watch. The game memory is real

@shinobu-39

Жыл бұрын

I feel like this was the case in some of the previous games but it makes sense to take him out first in this game. Some games it's because Phil doesn't have good defense and I think that's what happened in this one. It is still painful to watch but he was playing Chulane (already a prime target). And in that pivotal turn, I feel like he got too focused on his board wipe that he forgot to account for how much damage Jodah decks can do. The board was right there and he bounced his only blocker so he was the only one who was completely open. TBH, I might have fallen for the same trap if I was playing a value deck. But someone else here said Heroic Intervention might have been the better play that turn.

@aintenoughroomforthetwoofus

Жыл бұрын

@@shinobu-39 yeah, I understand how scary chulane can be and not having defense makes you an easy target, but it really feels like he gets put down quick when he isn’t even a threat yet. The dude has to sit there for a couple hours watching the others play and make deals at times when he isn’t afforded the same opportunity. Threat assessment is good and should happen, but assessing someone as a future threat before anything has really happened is kind of shit. I’ve often seen the players discussing who’s a threat by turn two and assuming they’re going to die when nothing has really started, and it kind of feels strange. It’s like they let their fear of losing take over and end one player in this card game before they’ve even had a chance to play the game.

@shinobu-39

Жыл бұрын

@@aintenoughroomforthetwoofus I would agree with this for the other controlly games but this week is Humans week so it's a surefire thing that there will be aggro. When you're an aggro player, you can't be nice and wait for the value player to start being a threat before taking action. It would be too late by then. I have to double check but I think Phil also had another board wipe in hand and a Heroic Intervention. He was just missing land drops. If he got those lands and started triggering Chulane, it would be hard for the Mardu player to recover their board if there's a value engine and a board wipe. Crim did the right thing by focusing on one player as a Mardu aggro deck. I'm a value player myself and nothing makes me happier than the aggro player spreading their attack because I know I can beat them later on. If we're talking bout the episode from 2-3 weeks ago, Phil shouldn't have been the target too early then but the defense thing is still a problem. Crim used to be like this too so I'm sure Phil will eventually adjust as well. Buuuuttt I love Phil and I kinda like watching him go ham on the value decks because I do like Glass Canons. The early death is just the risk that goes with that.

@RyanEglitis

Жыл бұрын

It made sense given he was running chulane. He should have bargained with the table to get a turn in exchange for dealing with Seth's board. As it stood, he gained nothing from that wrath with Crim phased out.

Tom's Shards limited statement perfectly explains how I play currently...

XD I literally called it to happen, during recent commander podcast, I knew it

Zombies eatting humans! Flavorful!

I'm surprised nobody had Riders of Gavony in their deck

The amount of life Seth paid this game lol

That was a really good game.

Got up, grabbed some food and water. Just to hear: 16:15

Tom's back!

How did rot wolf become the default screen if there is some malfunction ?

Four human decks, and it comes down to Sand Warriors vs Zombies

@shinobu-39

Жыл бұрын

If you think bout how unhinged human warfare will just lead to ruin, the zombies and sand warriors being the remnants of lost civilizations is honestly pretty cool.

I realized why crim doesn’t have a high win rate. he talks way too much lol

So... New Mishra + Liquimetal Torque. Can you transform a planeswalker into an artifact and copy it, and use the creature copy to activate loyalty abilities?? Is Mishra Super Friends a thing??

Good game

I love it

The best human colors is selesnya, and ive never seen a toxic deluge wasted as bad as this one

Seth, if you cast chainer, then the ultimatum, you win.

@Suppaichu

Жыл бұрын

He also could’ve.. you know.. casted stuff with his busted cascade commander before attacking

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

We were one mana short, right?

@zacharymccutcheon8607

Жыл бұрын

@@MTGGoldfish You're right. Thought you hadn't land dropped for turn yet.

I've missed Tom

let's gooooo!

As a good german guy, I'll already spread my towel over the free deck-chair at the hotel-pool and leave again for breakfast. (Or in other words: FIRST!)

And the zombies win ‘human week”

Comments help algorithms

@DylanHunter64

Жыл бұрын

Comments on comments help too I hear!

1:13:40 what are zombies but just late-stage humans?

Y'all need to make Tom laugh more. His laugh sounds fantastic.

CLASH ON!

this is so funny you're all playing humans.

Oh boy. Humans for all. This started off with arguments last week about mardu vs Silesia being better humans. Tuned in this week. No Silesia. :(

LETS GO BEST BOY WINS

TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM HOORAY

Brings zombies with zombie apocalypse. Psychhhhh

I wish y’all had it focus on who’s turn it is and make their board bigger and easier to read.

Dammit I thought it was going to be Richard:(

Not going to lie I really wanted to see kogla the titan ape it would've been so cool

Tom!!!!

don't like how Seth didn't attack with his vigilance, haste and menace Saskia

Before watching the game, the evil part of me wanted Seth to just start with turn 2 Thalia..just because i know it would make Crim sad.

Can someone explain me the lore of rot wolf as a placeholder?

@MTGGoldfish

Жыл бұрын

It started in one of the first seasoned of Commander Clash, I think with Jen. Something went wrong and we didn't have a pic of her hand at the start of the game, but she was playing Infect so we filled it with Rot Wolves, and now it has sort of become a tradition when someone's hand or video isn't available for some reason.

If only Seth had played his spells precombat on his last turn... 😕

It is soooo poetic that on human week, zombies take the win KEKW

Good showing on Trinn crim 👍

Seth Punted. Seth has a two drop and know shadowspear was in the deck. Should have cast the two drop pre combat and then equiped shadowspear to saskia

Tom had great vibes seems like a sweety

There's a reason Crim plays 1 drop modern cards...because he usually doesn't get past his 4 land drop, so can't play 7 drops 😂

Zombies are technically undead humans 🤔

I'm still waiting for cedh week

@Niuttuc

Жыл бұрын

Good news, that's next week's episode!

Seth! at 42:00 he could have played Chainer first, gained Haste and killed them both

@RyanEglitis

Жыл бұрын

He only had 10 mana, and that line takes 11.

Wish this wasn't impossible to watch on mobile

Looks like there's 3 people playing human tribal and one person just playing Chulane...

Seth would have won if he had played chainer before eerie ult, shrug

I like to call Trynn and Silvar "Jon and Garfield" because Silvar is an orangish cat and keeps eating all the lasagnas (people) and the fact that Trynn keeps enabling this unhealthy habit

I was here to see selysnia humans stomp :(

Phil if you want to get away with janky win-cons you will be better off with a less scary commander.

I personally am thrilled by the result of this game

Build pioneer hammer time update version

Yeah, Kyler would have stomped these.

Lol nobody’s actually playing green white humans

yay rot wolf

Seth could have gotten 16 Life if he cascaded into shadowspear before Combat... He knew he would get the shadowspear No Matter what right?

@MTGGoldfishCommander

Жыл бұрын

I think it was a 50% chance at Shadowspear (either Shadowspear or Mox Amber). Still should have done it pre-combat.

I love how this idea started by crim saying gw humans weren't good and nobody is playing it lol. Crim must have been right.

@Spaced92

Жыл бұрын

On the other hand, no-one proved him wrong by failing with them! I like Mardu humans for a legendary theme personally, but I'd be surprised if they beat GW humans more often than not.