Everyone is wrong about compressors (How they should be used with guitar)
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7 million baby!
@nojoyrecords
Жыл бұрын
Lets gooooooooo
@peter333
5 күн бұрын
What riff is that, the one you refer to at 3:08 or so, 'please don't play that riff here'?? Obviously the one right bore that, at 3:02 but I have no clue. I never listen to the radio, I hate the commercials and the crappy music of today.
Compressors were actual first made for the first telephones, to even out people who were yelling and those who were soft spoken since no one knew how to use this new technology and no phone etiquette exists yet. Just a fun nugget for ya
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, didn't know that!
@BambiTrout
Жыл бұрын
I expect it also helped with bandwidth too as there was a smaller range of possible volume levels.
@user-tz2zz5ij1s
Жыл бұрын
Are you sure? Compression was first used for radio broadcasts to keep from over modulation. The earliest compression circuits were quite large and would not have fit in the old phones. At least that’s what I learned in frequency and signals class.
@thisandthat1233
Жыл бұрын
Sounds bs
@kevinm38
Жыл бұрын
Wrong. Made first for military to keep levels more consistent while coming from relatively quiet (bases) sources with louder (planes) and even louder (active war) so the dudes with the headphones on listening didn't get their ear drums smashed in
I swear of all the effects out there compressors are the ones that have highest learning curve. Even now, I really can't say I'm anywhere near mastering compression, and that's after attending music courses in college and University. I'm still learning new things about them. Knowing how to apply attack and release controls I'm still not 100% on. The tone shaping aspect of compression is also a higher level function that still an ongoing process for me. It's all part of the process.
@metalfatigue
19 күн бұрын
And that is why, for most guitar players, the compressor with the fewest knobs is best. For years, I had the original Keeley and was very happy, because with 2 knobs there wans't much that could go wrong. With fancier compressors like the Empress that I currently use, the problem is interactivity. To some extent, each adjustment affects the others, so you chase your tail forever. But the Empress is so transparent, it sounds good at almost any setting. Who knows if I have it set right.
Another interesting use for compressors that i discovered recently is using it with an overdriven amp or distortion pedal to clean up the sound. Basically like turning down the volume knob on the guitar but with more control
@luizfloripa
Жыл бұрын
mike from incubus uses this technique
@GabeHelma
Жыл бұрын
Like an "underdrive" 😆
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
didn't know about this. Thanks, will try!
@twitcheyspleen
Жыл бұрын
nice ... not sure about 'more control' though
@mcwurzn8194
Жыл бұрын
have you considered to do it like this: 60-75% signal from guitar -> compressor -> distortion/overdrive
I've built, bought, and sold at least a dozen or more compressors. One of my all-time favorites is the first one I ever bought, in the late '70s: the Univox Uni-Comp. It is probably the simplest optical compressor ever made. And while it is clean, it is an *effect* and not the sort of thing one would describe as "transparent". I.E., you can tell it's on. It has a special affinity for Telecaster bridge pickups. One of the most important functions of guitar compressors is that they allow the player to unhook volume from tone. You can get the same volume level, whether you deliberately snap the strings or gently brush them. Volume dynamics are certainly important for conveying feeling and emotion, but so is timbre and pick attack, and sometimes you just want to provide that emotion simply by getting the string to behave differently. You illustrate that aspect nicely around the 3:40-3:50 mark. The percussive aspect of Telecaster bridge pickups is one of those areas where compressors shine. Additionally, from a performing perspective, compressors are especially useful in yielding a good mix to a band by letting a guitarist slam away without the risk of drowning out a singer or other bandmate. We tend to think of pedals in terms of our own personal sound, but compressors allow a band to sound more like a recorded studio mix, than a bunch of people occasionally drowning each other out. And if you happen to be the guitar player AND singer, it lets you focus on singing, and not have to pay attention to how hard you're strumming.
Great playing man!
Before I got the walrus audio mayflower, I used to use a compressor and an EQ pedal to get a really distorted sound while maintaining clarity in the voicings I was playing
Gilmour is also a good candidate for the master of compression
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
indeed!
Nice content, and good explanations for the benefit of the new compression acolytes. Wish you had used the same setup (guitar-amp) to illustrate the different varieties of compression, though.
Been following you since the early Fano/ Tone King days in the first studio and I really appreciate your ability after all this time to not take yourself too seriously and while dishing out valuable content on regular basis. Great playing btw. All the best!
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Thanks a lot! The Fano/Tone King era was awesome. Still have the old Fano, but now with a new Tone King :)
@thetransonicford
Жыл бұрын
@@LivingroomGearDemos Yeah, saw that you had a Tone King again. Such good amps. I also have an Imperial. ;)
Wish you did an on/off comparison (ideally off of a looper pedal) for each compressor setting to show what it really does to the sound.
@trevorwalker7978
Жыл бұрын
Seriously. That woulda been great. We have no point of reference for your dry vs wet sound so in all honesty this doesn’t tell us much of what the compressor is doing to your dry signal. 🤣💯
@bmoneybby
10 ай бұрын
Dry sounds like a guitar without compression. Easy.
Thank you for saying all this. It needed to be said.
Great video and sound as always. Though, would have been informative to hear the dry signal also.
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Thanks, noted!
@skeletonmodel
Жыл бұрын
Agreed!
Bought a little Fairfield Circuitry FET compressor pedal and hated it when my only amp was a Vox AC-15. The amp already had enough compression built in. It wasn't until I got a more powerful amp with more headroom that I understood how to use the compressor pedal for clean sounds.
@Merlincat007
Жыл бұрын
The Accountant? I love that pedal. Certainly not the most subtle compressor but that's part of why it works for me!
Love the video! Please do a video with a rickenbacker! Would love to hear you play one of those
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Thanks Filip! I really want one! Can't afford to prioritize one atm though :/
A before and after dirt pedal would have been nice to hear. In that same vein, before and after the preamp, aka in the loop. For those of us that are down with the chug life, at the front, helps keep some of the details that might be lost in all the over saturation.
@thebrunoserge
Жыл бұрын
I never liked compression before distortion. Sounds so unnatural and ruins all the dynamics IMO
@tobins6800
Жыл бұрын
@@thebrunoserge not disagreeing there. However, it does have its uses. For instance, playing a lot of fast technical things, or fast repetitive (think Fear Factory). Really depends on the level of saturation. My opinion is that for more dynamics, use the loop.
Never seen a comp on his board lol.
Hello, very interesting explanation. Would you recommend using a compressor with a HH guitar?
I was hoping for a song to hear in loop here
I run two compressors, similar to a good buffer setup. 1 on the input and 1 on the output after the amp. I do this on an HX Stomp. The equivalent in a non-virtual setup would be like sending the mic’d amplifier into a studio compressor, then I run real analog delay after. It’s like a portable studio. Guitar > gain pedals > squash compressor, 40% mix > amp > modulation effects > mix/studio compressor, 40% mix > delay > speaker
@smelltheglove2038
Жыл бұрын
I’m sure it sounds realistic.
@Dwightpower88
Жыл бұрын
@@smelltheglove2038 probably not but it might sound good, which is an important part of it all
@smelltheglove2038
Жыл бұрын
@@Dwightpower88 I seriously doubt it sounds good. Maybe to an untrained ear, but I have yet to hear anything “modeled” sound good. Most of the time they sound nothing like what they’re going for. Kinda like those multi-effect processors from the late 90s early 2000s. Sure, they claim their “AI” is better now, but it’s not. There is no air moving, there’s nothing but sterile digital signal. Fucking crap.
Dude you NAILED Kevin Parker’s tone!!
what other compresses pedals can you turn up to overdrive the compressor circuit?
Thanks for not going into the technical stuff, i know all that, but i'm new to guitar sounds and effect purposes. :)
Haven’t used a compressor before until about 2 months ago apart from vsts, didn’t think it would be useful as it is as a guitar pedal esp messing around where it goes in the chain
Great examples of how to use a compressor.
Play snow but how John does it! For like 2 minutes of the song! I just can't do more than three rounds and it starts to sound crappy and missing notes 😬 great video by the way
@brentonhefner7769
Жыл бұрын
I did a video tutorial on it that may help
Great vid! What's the red guitar on the Tame Impala part?
Where in the signal chain would you place your compression pedal? I've usually placed my compression pedal between boosts/overdrives and reverb/delay. Great channel! Side note: The other day, I randomly mentioned that I've had seen an eyeopening Klon/Benson video here on YT to a guy who happened to be Eivind. Great guy!
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Usually first in the chain! Oh wow, you did? I guess you met him at Vintage Gitar then?
@efarnesen
Жыл бұрын
@@LivingroomGearDemos Yes, indeed! Nothing beats a passionate music shop.
@Merlincat007
Жыл бұрын
I also like compression after drives! People will say that's "wrong" but I love the ability to dynamically affect the breakup amount with digging in or light touch.
@Dwightpower88
Жыл бұрын
@@Merlincat007 there is no wrong if it results in a sound you like
@Merlincat007
Жыл бұрын
@@Dwightpower88 Yep!
Using clickbait titles to reach those 7 mil (baby) is.... Well played! Great video as always.
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Thanks. 7 mill baby
the bass sounding rlly good
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
🤝
Anyone noticed if Fruciante uses compression pedal on live? I would love to see the practical uses of it live arenas and on small bars.
@Merlincat007
Жыл бұрын
It's really helpful live! Keeps players from drowning one another out at times
5:55 to 6:02 *guitar heating engines about to take off and flies away*
the over compression on the guitar on under the bridge drives me nuts ....
“But I have hands….” 🤣
Attack and release slow or fast works in the opposite way my guitarbro greetings!
It’s “quieteresterest” actually. Ffs.
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
ah thanks!
@brutallyremastered4255
Жыл бұрын
@@LivingroomGearDemos Anytime, I’m really into music.
a small but meaningful correction: compressors don't typically boost the quiet parts of your sound *and* attenuate the loud parts, they do one or the other. usually they just attenuate the loud parts according to a dB threshold, and via a ratio, one or both of which are often preset within a pedal, as to decrease the amount of knobs and to create a more user friendly interface. its important to know that this means compressors do not inherently introduce additional noise or sustain with more aggressive settings, but when you use makeup gain to make up for the volume lost in attenuation, as most people do in order to not see a volume decrease and boost sustain, it also boosts the noise floor. doesn't change much about what you're saying but i think this provides some clarity for people who are getting used to using compressors.
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Thanks for this!
I kind of remember reading that the compressor was first made for the telephone, to make up for the discrepancy of volume of different people's speaking voices. Maybe I'm misremembering though.
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
I think you are right
Compressor works really well with 12-string electric guitars..
honestly, I'm not sure if it's that useful to show different compressor uses while mixed with other effects (chorus, phaser, etc). I couldn't really grasp the unique contribution of the compressor
Red Hot Jalepno Peppers had me dying lmao
I disagree. Play snow as much as you’d like on this channel.
@AlfredHugecokk
Жыл бұрын
That was actually Slow from RHCP.
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
slow hey oh?
@AlfredHugecokk
Жыл бұрын
@@LivingroomGearDemos That's how I play it too 😂🤣
Is there a difference between a cheap compressor and a relatively expensive compressor?
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
I'd say yes, but everything is relative. Cheap ones can often be good too, of course. In my experience, more expensive ones are often more silent, though.
@meowtrox1234
Жыл бұрын
@@LivingroomGearDemos thank you. I've noticed the kokko compressor is noisy it's a cheap comp. I'll invest on a good one. Which do you recommend?
What is that amazing effect at 5:55 that keeps ascending the note/chord??
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Digitech Ricochet
@zosoiv71
Жыл бұрын
@@LivingroomGearDemos Thanks for that info'......great pedal
Great vid 👍
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Thank you!
"but hey, I have hands" hahahahaha
Does anybody know what telecaster this is?
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Gray Guitar Admiral
I have no use for compression. I love the dynamics of my amps.
@lucasc5622
Жыл бұрын
That’s fine if you don’t record or play live/with other people
This taught me nothing about compression lmao
I couldn't hear you over that Guns N Roses shirt 🌹
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Original one as well!
7 million ?
@moonvals
8 ай бұрын
Wait, what. This is an old video……? Fy faen
all nice and lovely but Frusciante doesn't use compressor pedals to my knowledge.
@brocklanders8919
Жыл бұрын
He uses MXR dyna comp. All the way back to Blood Sugar (Mellowship Slinky), but mostly on the new album. Not sure if he used it on the songs played in the video though.
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Don't think he uses compressors live, but in the studio?
Compression does not give you more "loudness" 1:16. Compression REDUCES loudness by attenuating loud signal. It increases volume by boosting quiet signal. Loudness and volume are very different. Loudness is measured at one point. It's one dimensional, like a line segment. Think of a loud drum hit. It's very loud for a very short transient loudness peak. You can graph this by drawing a vertical line segment from the x axis up to the peak. Volume is measured over a period of time, and is three dimensional. When an organ player gets almost as loud as the line segment drum hit and stays approximately that loud for five minutes, the total five minutes of sound multiplies out to much more volume than the single drum hit, even though for a fraction of a second the drum was louder than the organ.
Did you ever cook 4900 pounds of spaghetti and fill every piece of clothing that you own with it?
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
where is that quote from again? Can't remember!
@rawbserver
Жыл бұрын
@@LivingroomGearDemos DVD By Sexy, right?
@sagegracemusic5981
Жыл бұрын
@@LivingroomGearDemos 1:29 kzread.info/dash/bejne/lnWCutmme8-0oJs.html
@castrucciocastracani0
Жыл бұрын
I know a guy... maybe you will not understand the language... but it's DEFINITELY worth it
@castrucciocastracani0
Жыл бұрын
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A compressor is a tone shaping tool.
Ok so whats the story behind Snow on your channel? hahahaha
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
haha, I just think it's an annoying riff. So stressful to listen to
@wolff_
Жыл бұрын
@@LivingroomGearDemos hahahahah and a pain to play it too
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
yeah, can't play it more than one round consistently.
Please check links attack and release time slow clockwise fast times counterclockwise !!!
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Check links? What
A korvpressor
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Falukorvpressor
@luizfloripa
Жыл бұрын
my fav vst compo is called korvpressor
Жыл бұрын
From Klevgrand
My caveman ears still cannot grasp what a compressor does.
@Mdjagg
Жыл бұрын
Look up Dan Warrall Compression
In my humble opinion, the aggregate artistic effect of a compressor on a guitar becomes, simply, a legato effect that simulates loudness. Why? Well, staccato requires wide dynamic range between sound and silence. Get rid of that difference, and the average between those two things sounds legato. Why loudness simulation? The human ear compresses when introduced to loud sounds. When our ears hear a compressed sound, it is tricked into thinking that whatever made that sound must have really made it loud. This is why the "loudness wars" are a thing, because that feeling of loudness is pleasurable to the ear so long as it doesn't painfully overload.
Nice title freak
@LivingroomGearDemos
Жыл бұрын
Thanks
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