I wouldn’t personally consider Vegeta an Anti-villain at any point. He was a full on villain during the saiyan saga and early namek saga, and didn’t really have any excuse for being evil.

@vizzyven

25 күн бұрын

Fair point! I think I was mainly thinking of his Maijin moment, but part of me was motivated to put him next to Shadow

@thomascochran7907

21 күн бұрын

I think that’s what makes his one of the best redemption arcs in story telling, he isn’t a good soul who lost his way, or a regular person corrupted by evil, he’s a genuinely awful persona that became better through failure and the people around him. He becomes a good guy and has to be dragged kicking and screaming towards it.

@wathh2033

18 күн бұрын

​@@thomascochran7907 yeah this is one of best. Rest in peace Akira Toriyama-san,you're work won't be forgotten.

@RudeAndObscene

13 күн бұрын

@@wathh2033 I can't believe you reminded me that Akira Toriyama died.

@gonggonglive

13 күн бұрын

Vegeta: I’m gonna blow up this planet! Goku: That’s not very nice! Vegeta: OF COURSE NOT, I’M FXXKING EVIL!

Thanks, I needed this for a D&D campaign I'm writing.

@vizzyven

24 күн бұрын

Glad I could help!

@Superanthony8Official

13 күн бұрын

Stranger Things plotting 🔥

Favorite villain are equal and nemesis

@vizzyven

26 күн бұрын

Good choices

@elijahmaser7567

26 күн бұрын

personally i like dragon and equal since you can have an actual character arc for a dragon character, other than just "ooo big scary enemy, hero kill villain, yayyyyyy"

@crazyguy5000

19 күн бұрын

my favorites are trickster and dragon, I really like chaos

@faith4657

14 күн бұрын

Facts they always have good stories

@marvinlara4668

13 күн бұрын

@@faith4657 true

Dragons is so cool that they are considered as something Separate

I like how these actually directly oppose the hero versions: The nemesis is always the 'big evil villain' the classic hero has to defeat, The dragon is a kind of beast only the great and powerful (the epic hero) can slay, The equal has to be matched by the superman and those two are clashing sides, The opposer is some sort of force that wants to mess with the romantic hero's relationships, The bully is the everyday kinda mean person, in contrary to the everyman, The trickster is the one that led the tragic hero to their eventual downfall, The false idol is a respected person similar to the catalyst, except they don't turn out to be so respectable, The sympathetic villain is pretty much just like an anti-hero but viewed more like a bad guy.

@justane517

4 күн бұрын

Where's the inner?

Bill cipher is definitely nemesis and a trickster, maybe a bully too?

@dombelly3343

13 күн бұрын

according to his criteria I wouldn't call bill a nemesis, outside of the finale he doesn't tend to exert his power over others in the show, instead tricking them into helping him

@someteennamedcharles2035

7 күн бұрын

Hmm... I wouldn't agree with "Bully". "Bully" are supposedly mostly the @$$hole characters that the protagonist deals with but they're usually not some world-destroying villain.

Diavolo is really interesting, because he is indeed an opposer, but he still has some control over fate. At least, on the smaller scale. He was still given infinite death by Giorno.

@Pieceof_Paper

18 күн бұрын

Fate always sides with justice (as said literally by emporio in part 6), and diavolo definitely wasnt all that good lmao

@Aaa-vp6ug

10 күн бұрын

@@Pieceof_Paper still some control though

When you said false hero initially i was thinking of things like Homelander, Omni man, and the dark arts professor guy who was a fraud in year 2 harry potter

@chlee7423

18 күн бұрын

You mean Lockhart?

@azurerider812

18 күн бұрын

This but instead of Omni Man, I thought of Akechi from P5.

@casongriffe

13 күн бұрын

@@azurerider812 Akechi could fall into the sympathetic category due to how much his father neglected him, and all he wanted was to fell appreciated in his life

@azurerider812

13 күн бұрын

@@casongriffe *feel Also true tho.

@casongriffe

13 күн бұрын

@@azurerider812 thx for the correction 👍

The sympathetic villain reminds me very deeply or Roxas from kingdom hearts 2, he wasn't bad, he was just confused, perhaps a bit scared and frustrated having no apparent purpose in life other than the organization

Side character chart next? Like lancer, mentor, rival, follower maybe?

@vizzyven

24 күн бұрын

Coming soon...

@mikonyx7712

15 күн бұрын

Pretty sure that chart would need to be quite big, in order to do it justice.

@personname-fw9jq

12 күн бұрын

heres some i got in mind, or attempts to define the ones you gave. mentor:someone who trains the main character, a villain OR someone important who causes a twist in the story.examples are mr miyagi, bang from opm or that old guy from dragon ball(i forgot his name lol) rival:someone who is there to act not really as an enemy but moreso as an obstacle/test of strength in the heroes way, while commonly indirectly or intentionally causing the hero to get stronger by doing this.examples are majima from yakuza and vegeta from dragon ball(not really a side character but yk) follower:someone who follows someone.self explanatory lol.may be a rival due to this.i cant think of ANY example for this, sorry yall plant:"plant", as in still growing.this is a more formal version of saying potential man.sometimes they DO unlock their potential, sometimes they don't.oftentimes they are halfway or nearly done with it but never get there.examples are phillip from library of ruina, dagon from jjk and gohan from dragon ball, kinda?i dont watch db but from what the community says it sounds like that god:they don't actually have to be a person, but usually do have some sort of will.you don't hear of them a lot, but they are always some higher up being who serves as a strong influence on the plot or storyline.examples are...uh...god, from opm.i wonder why.the radiance from hollow knight, and carmen from project moon. the filler:yep.filler.well, okay, maybe not actually filler type character.but it's a character who doesn't change the storyline too much.this would for sure replace trickster/tragic since they don't have much of a purpose, sadly.the only example i can really think of is that italian guy chef from jojos bizarre adventure part 4 that's all :D

Darth Vader should’ve been classified as sympathetic instead of dragon

@Synfang

25 күн бұрын

On the whole? Yes. However, supposedly Anakin and Vader are mentally distinct from another (I'm not entirely sure how the logic works; forgot the explanation), so it can be argued that Anakin is sympathetic and Vader is dragon. Convoluted logic about mentality aside, you could alternatively argue he could be either depending on the individual story being told; for example, ROTJ may be relatively sympathetic compared to A New Hope fully being dragon.

@yourtypicalcupoftea

25 күн бұрын

@@Synfang good point

@SobiTheRobot

25 күн бұрын

He's sympathetic during Revenge of the Sith and the final moments of Return of the Jedi, but for most of his time as Darth Vader, he is utterly a dragon.

@cosmicspacething3474

24 күн бұрын

I mean characters can fall into multiple categories at once

@Protosilver97

21 күн бұрын

The concept of Darth Vader during the original trilogy is that he is unstoppable. The greatest menace ever and a real bummer to know he's the heroic protagonist's father. He is ruthless and cruel, opposing Luke's morals and making everyone afraid of him.

Sympathetic. You forgot doofenshmirtz from phineas and ferb

Sympathethic villain brings one name into my mind: Magneto. Both in second trilogy of X-Men movies and in books you can see where his ideals lie and even I don't like it I can fully understand where he cames from. And just like Prof Xavier I always find myself hoping he will see the light one day. (And in times many times he did).

Tricksters are, by far, my favorite character type, to the point I created my own. He's typically siding with the good guys, but only because stories typically already have a villain.

I love your lists of examples and how out of pocket yet how much each one makes sense

I'm writing my own story, so this video really helped me. Thanks so much. The symPathetic villains are always the best ones, cause their storyline makes it more fleshed out and CAN be relatable to some.

@vizzyven

24 күн бұрын

You're welcome! Glad you took something from this

The trickster villans are my favorite just because Bill Cipher is the embodiment of a trickster villian

A sympathetic villain example would be Hyunckel from Dragon quest

I actually just realised that Assasin's Creed 1 just happen to have all of them. Let me summarise for someone who did not played or payed attention in the plot. Al Mualim is an Equal Villain, a Dragon and a False Idol. And the Nemesis we did not know. We (Altair Ibn La Had) serve him, as a whole order order does to find out he's the one behind the domination plans. He's equal to us, he's an Assassin master, and even more, possessess the artifact that makes him unpredictable, making him a Dragon, since you have to fight the nature that artifact creates. Al Mualim searched the power to control. While Altair learned to restrain and acknowledge power and to seal it away from the wrong hands. By the way, through this journey Altair were going from phases of sympathetical villain and anti-hero arcs. He's truly a unique character to follow. Tamiya, the weapons dealer, and are the Opposers. They are not at the high-up ends, but they're very significant for operations to come. As they're in the heart of it and they do manifest all the physical requirements for those deeds that Altair tries to prevent. Those a cunning, backstabbing, have a political power to protect them and they have a special status quo. Maij Addin also is a an Opposer, but also a Falsi Idol. He uses his powers and rights, to hurt and kill people, to cause fear, pride, acknowledgement and proclaimed piece and safety within the society, so their operations can go unnoticed and those who oppose them can be removed at will. His ways are twisted and though they worked, he truly almost had control of Jerusalem's politics and brainwashing of the citizens through acts of judgements and public executions. Garnier and Talal are sympathetic kind of villain. Garnier is a medieval doctor in war and non-war hospitals, but after all, despite his good intentions, he's been influenced by schemes of Crusaders. Yet he still wants to help people, his ways to do that are becoming more cruel and sadistic. The scene when one of his patients disagrees on his methods and reasons, he orders to break that patients legs. Garnier is man that lost his more heroic aspects and became more dark. He's on the dark side so, and he understands what he's doing willing, but believes that he truly can help people. What makes him sympathetical in his confession before death. Talal on other hand being very much a disgusting person has a view that he might give those people he enslaved and sold a new life, a life worth of something, and life that will not be wasted in death from famine and poorness. That's also has it's reason even if it is vile. The same may go for Jubair, who decided with their group to destroy knowledge of the past, so they can rewrite and create the future they want. He's intentions are whoever were the same's of Talal, out of some vile twisted concern - if they have so many different questions and answers, why to not restrict to a one whole solution, that will serve mankind the most and nobody might question it, which would not cause wars because of different lifestyles and wisdoms - he thinks faith and political differences is one of the reason the war is even began and that destroying religion, knowledge, past and wisdom is a way to create a blank where everybody go as equal leading to simply put - order. William and Sibrand are Bully, Opposer and Trickster type of villains. This guy serves by the King, and the King Richard himself proclaimed that William has to be put down from his duties due to suspicions of him pushing armies and resources without direct approval or order of the King. Which of course is Williams treatury towards the alliance other our victims had. He denies any officials and paranoid, and uses his aquired rank to extent of overwhorking and bullying his fellow soldiers. He can easily turn armies at his will and that will create a domino effect we know trickster for. The same goes for Sibrand and he truly shows that he's no different from William while having a lower rank he is more vile, capable and manipulative. He's paranoia also did not serve him good, as he might killed much more people just for the suspicions and we seen ourselves one of the monk brutally die by his hands. And with those paranoid murders, alongside the wrath and power above naval, he was ready to pull little maneuvours that would cause an entirely different war results. Abu'l Nuqoud is representing our Inner Demons and insucurities with False Idol and Trickster feats. He's wealth, he's in right place and he's cunning led to others of the group succeed. But he did not cherished anything of what life have given and what the life had become for him. He's afraid of death as he truly do not know what's next in this or other life and not afraid of killing others because his twisted nature became used to create chaos and destruction. Destroying hundreds of people by poisoning foods and ordering a clean-up event he truly wanted the attention. None of the previous or next victims were not as open about all of this. Maybe he really wished for demise even if he ran, he's not sorry for his death unlike others. he embraces it, and tells Altair more things that any of them could do. And finally Robert de Sable is nemesis we are going for a long time. And he's becoming the sympathetic villain the moment we took his revelation. He turns it upside down because for the whole game we though he was the man behind all this, the nemesis, the opposite of us, the danger to mankind. But instead it was our father.

1:41, like Voldemort

Goes to show that everyone loves good written villains. My favorite villain is usually the relatable ones that I can sympathize the most, but doing it in the most extreme way possible. The manipulators is also my favorite villain archetype.

The villain for my story is closest to a false idol. She’s a chronically online shut in who 1: has issues telling the underlying rules of fiction from the underlying rules of reality (ex: a trope vs a force of nature). 2: knows just enough psychology to be dangerous but not enough to actually be able to help. 3: genuinely thinks she’s helping. And 4: has a following of trolls who enable her behavior and spam links to her blog in places where links to her blog shouldn’t go.

Sympathetic villian. I love a villian that have redeemable good in them

idk why but when i saw goku black i almost yelled "GOKU BLACK!"

@antekskotniczny8736

21 күн бұрын

..."THAT IS ACTUALLY BLACK"

@thatrandomcrit5823

20 күн бұрын

"That man isn´t black!"

@stinkboogstinkbug9961

16 күн бұрын

"WHO'S NOT ACTUALLY BLACK!"

@KilaKaKa

15 күн бұрын

I did the exact same for shadow, even though I was fully expecting it.

@mikonyx7712

15 күн бұрын

"Sponge Bob! Why are you siding with Goku, Black!😩" -Squidward

I saw Vilgax and my respect for you has grown astronomically. I have subscribed.

VizzyVen: "Maki-" Me: *YOU DO NOT KNOW HOW GOOD TIM DUNCAN WAS!* 😫

Don't judge me, but every far right, axis villains are my guilty pleasure - all Nemesis, Opposers, and Tricksters are my favorite on my list.

@noahyoung6524

24 күн бұрын

yeah, having a villain be competent, active, and using their cunning wit against the hero is more interesting, than the standard villain using overwhelming power to get things done.

@TheUltimateMovieWatcherINC.

13 күн бұрын

Than you love Bill, nice.

@sassas1487

12 күн бұрын

far right axis villain? I can think of a few

Great video it's pretty cool I'm watching this looking for ideas on where to take a character and I was thinking "Yeah he's going to be either the yellow or brown square of this chart, being the manifestation of negative emotion" And look what the Yellow square is. Also in that, he's not purely antagonistic, as he's almost entirely based of off Celeste (if you know, you know.) Although, he might cause some lasting damage before being absorbed, and could potentially show both sides of himself before the climax of his story, due to the lull between wars, and the ideological clashing of the civil war.

Nox and Qilby from Wakfu are great sympathetic and false villains (Nox is sympathetic on the other hand Qilby is false, and could be considered also sympathetic but a trickster too) I could go into detail why but I just recommend watching Wakfu but that’s the spoiler warning for you right here There’s a good video about explaining how great Nox is however I can still talk about Qilby! (Basically a recap of season 2) Qilby’s the main antagonist of the second season he appears early on after the main characters return to the Sadida kingdom (hippie plant people) where the Eliacube releases a Baby Dragon and a Baby Eliatrope (cool space aliens who can make portals) however it also has another Eliatrope of course being Qilby he introduces himself as the king of the Eliatropes and starts guiding the main character Yugo’s brother Adamai (who’s his dragon twin) while he tells the other main characters to get the Dofus of his dragon twin sister Shinonome while the main cast are on the adventure Qilby’s just being a old grumpy guy while sometimes teaching Adamai about their people until it all changes in episode 20 of season 2 as Qilby makes a room in the eliacube for him and Adamai he starts telling more about their people while showing him his laboratory until he tells him something quite chilling When the main characters will find the Dofus to see the other Eliatropes They’ll need a place to live so by absorbing the world of 12’s sin it they’ll have enough for a new home (basically destroying earth) Adamai would slowly realise Qilby’s true colors starting to get worried Qilby sees no choice as it’s the same cycle over and over again so he uses the power of the eliacube to get a cool goth design and defeats Adamai it was a big shocker for the season to come and that’s why the twist and his presentation in it was amazing deserving to be a great false villain however I’m not done yet after this scene he immediately goes to this worlds version of Satan because earlier in the season he needed yugo to open a portal to the normal world so Qilby gives him a compromise and they team up 3 or 2 episodes later after episode 20 we start getting the final fight of the season as the heroes finally got to the island but there was a small war with water steampunk people and the dragon guarding it being Phaeris the whole fight happens in the episode until Rushu (French satan) the entirety of hell and qilby show up Yugo realises everything and he starts to fight Qilby on a side of a cliff but then their fight escalates into a cave as he’s trying to get his sisters Dofus and fight off Yugo and Phaeris at the same time until Qilby gets the upper hand and grabs Yugo to teleport somewhere else throughout this comment I haven’t been saying a lot of key things but I wanted to say them now! They both appear in a white void the white void that Qilby was in before this season but let me explain why exactly throughout the show the eliatropes have been these upper unknown beings thought to be like myths until we start to see more of them and dragons even if only a few but it was actually because of Qilby a lot of centuries ago Qilby Yugo and 4 more Eliatropes were the first 6 eliatropes that got created by goddess Eliatrope and the great dragon however Qilby and his sister had a great curse Qilby REMEMBERED ALL OF HIS PAST LIVES every bit of them and by the way Eliatropes live thousands of years and are nearly impossible to kill so Qilby was getting a bit bored so he wanted to travel across space but his kind said hell no so his bastardly self STARTED A GENOCIDAL WAR between the eliatropes and mechanisms that killed almost the entirety of the Eliatrope species but the children got saved and they were being protected by Balzhazar another of the first dragons however as punishment by Yugo and Phaeris during the war all those centuries ago phaeris ate Qilby’s arm and Yugo sent him in the white void which Qilby was in for this whole time with himself going more insane then he already was remembering all of his mistakes in a place that has nothing for only to be left with himself he beats up Yugo there and then uses the eliacube to teleport him to the place that had Balzhazar and the eliatrope children to try to convince them they all decline though and he try’s to fight them but after some time they outpower him as as a last resort he try’s finally talking with the only person that understood him being his sister but she sees all the bloodshed that qilby has committed once again and tells him to stop he’s mad, confused, and more insane as then he immediately gets depowered as his eliacube gets taken from him and he try’s to do a last effort until yugo teleports him in the white dimension again for him to once again.. be there. Qilby is such a interesting character to me as he even was foreshadowed in season 1’s near end how he is somewhat sympathetic but due to the horrible things he had done it’s nearly inexcusable he tries to do the best for his people even if most times so yeah that’s it I don’t know what to say anymore as I’m tired writing this in 2 am my time but thanks for reading this please watch Wakfu if you’re not convinced yet it’s peak fiction the final season came out a few months ago so yeah the French are weird

@supertails8881

25 күн бұрын

Wakfu is one of the greatest shows ever

@MrChoobb

25 күн бұрын

I watched wakfu it's neat

@JaiRana-cl3td

18 күн бұрын

Damn this comment is long as fuck.

Junko Enoshima is very clearly a Trickster i mean that what she does and mixed with a false idol because the first part of her plan was her being nice

Fun fact dragon is also a word used to describe the right hand man of a nemesis

I was also making these sort of archetypes, but more towards their motives/desires or the way they did "Villainous Acts". Your is still more interesting.

Great video but I think someone who would fit the false category great is definitely Homelander. I thought of him right before you gave your examples. But overall your video was amazing keep up the good work!

I i like all of them, but from time to time, i do like a nemesis and a sympathic villains they always have good relations to the MC. As well as tricksters, their stories and seems are always the best, and then they lose. They are so sweet.

5:45 also Homelander and the other "Evil Supermen" 6:27 also also while Shadow started as a sympathetic villain, his role has gone to anti-hero. hence why his side of the story is named "Dark" instead of Evil

I personally think idw megatron is a good slot for sympathetic, having started witha good cause, but was manipulated into going down a dark path, but eventually joing the side of the light

Sukuna not being here for inner demon is insane work

Do Sidekicks

In Flash Thompson's defense, he kind of got better after high school, and became a friend to Peter. (Maybe they became friends in college, but I might be wrong.) Also, I like the Equal and Nemesis the most from these. I think Deathstroke fits into both of them, since he is a nemesis to the Titans (In the comics), and an equal to Nightwing. Really good video by the way. I have seen your other video with where you explained every Hero, and I liked that too. :D

@rossjones8656

16 күн бұрын

I mean that doesn't change the fact he was a bully and is an example. He isn't anymore but he still is... like Bakugou.

trickers are my favorite villain architypes. i feel like we need more villains who are evil just for the sake of being evil, and enjoying it. the bully is another good one when written right

was surprised to see bakugo classified as a villain. then i remembered a lot of people haven’t read that comic with their eyes open

@bryanemilius1606

18 күн бұрын

He’s not a villain by the terms of the manga, but he sure as hell is an antagonist.

@user-wb6bk4mr2r

18 күн бұрын

@@bryanemilius1606 not unless youre in the way early pages. he stops being an obstacle for the protagonist pretty quickly, narratively and otherwise, which is by definition what an antagonist is

@maplered5042

16 күн бұрын

​@@user-wb6bk4mr2rpretty quickly? Dude, it was after !!!100!!! chapters! He is most selfish and egotistic character in bna, he is NOT a hero

@Inchiostro_

16 күн бұрын

​@@bryanemilius1606 being a villain and being an antagonist are different things. You can have an antagonist that is a hero too

@user-wb6bk4mr2r

16 күн бұрын

@@maplered5042 I’m not gonna sit here arguing about exactly when bakugo shifts from being antagonistic but to say he isn’t a hero at all is absolutely ridiculous lol. besides the manga is just under 400 chapters if i remember correctly? bakugo undergoing that shift in the first quarter of the series seems pretty reasonable. perhaps you haven’t read it or read without your thinking cap on, but him literally dying for the sake of protecting deku seems like the action of a hero. and with his character, actions clearly means more than words.

My favorite villain is the dragon one. I like seeing action scenes. Also, sympathetic villain too.

💯🤔👍 I like this remind me of RPG D&D morality level chart I'm always more drawn towards OC's & storytellings of that nature

I would love to a see a take on the nemesis type where they’re sort of aware that they are destined to lose, and either accept their fate at the end or try to defy their fate in some way. I think you could make a very enticing narrative in the process as well

@cat13461

21 күн бұрын

I have read a series based on this idea, where the main character is (against their will) put in this situation and tries to find ways out of being the big bad evil, despite the fact there is a prophecy that states they are, and despite powers they have they are unaware of coming up at terrible times making them look evil, such as auto summoning of monsters to attack a town they are in.

@evolatile3871

21 күн бұрын

@@cat13461 Do you by chance remember what this series was called?

@cat13461

21 күн бұрын

Yes, the first book is “New Game (Reborn as a Reluctant Demon Lord, Book 1)” that should find it, its free to read online.

5:07 Bill Cipher is DEFINITELY nemesis

@sassas1487

17 күн бұрын

Is he though? He's not the great mastermind who's actions led to everything, that would mostly be Ford, and he's not a villain

Sympathetic, Nemesis, Inner, False, and Trickster- all of these I really do like especially if a villain in some way vacillates between some of these categories through similar amounts of character development as the hero- or if they themselves are plagued by their own villain in some way and come to fall within one of these categories

on da topic of the false idol, it reminds me a lot of cult of the lamb, specifically Narinder. look at lore and you'll understand why

My current BBEG of my campaign is probably a Nemesis/Sympathetic

I think a anti hero and villain character with a lot of power/capability that constantly switches between the two to set his own will and ideals upon world but then also try and make life more bearable and being led through this “by any means necessary” style would be interesting.

🤔 One of the interesting phrases that goes around of Morality In OC storytelling is live & fight battle go to war long enough to see yourself become the villain. Although regardless of doing that or not practically everyone is deemed the good guy or villain in anyone else's story from an outside force or us looking at ourselves

Very surprised you didnt put Homelander for the false idol one

My favourite villains are the ones with no reedeming qualities, feeling like some kind of forces of nature - like Anton Chigurh from No Country For Old Men

Sympathetic villain...you mean future antagonists?😅

@vizzyven

26 күн бұрын

Potato patato

5:10 every mega church ever

6:32 Doofenshmirtz

Thanks for making a video I asked... You are the best

Very good video. But I think you should go to tv tropes, there a lot fiction tropes. I think that would be interesting

I suppose that Dio Brando is an "Equal" for Jotaro, and a "Sympathetic" for his youth, along with a "Bully" for Jonathan, and a "Nemesis" for Jonathan later on, he is also a "False" in part 3 when he leads so many stand users astray, and he is a "Trickster" when he pranks Polnareff epically. This leads me to belive that some of the best villians are more than just one type of villian.

🤔 Don't know about anyone else out there however As to myself I love seeing & witnessing other's perspectives on levels of morality protagonist antagonist & those that's totally in the middle neutral not good nor evil

my favorite villain has got to be mr rabbit from the utopia series, if youve watched it youd know how they fall under both sympathetic and the false idol to one of my favorite tragic heroes ever

Star wars villains for each of these (to the best of my ability) Nemesis: Darth Bane Dragon: Darth Vader Equal: Darth Vader Opposer: Count Dooku Bully: Darth Maul Inner: Darth Vader Trickster: Palpatine False: Palpatine Sympathetic: Darth Nihilus I feel like you have a problem with shoving a ton of anime characters that don't fit at all or fit less than others because you like anime. Nemesis should have been

I’m surprised jevil was not an example for the trickster villain.I mean the icon is literally a jester!

I have some extra examples that i tought at the spot Masked man from mother 3 is the P E R F E C T example of equal and sympathethic.(i will not explain further because spoilers) Going down the persona path, SPOILERS FOR P4G!!! I think tohru adachi is the definition of trickster,bros arcana is the jester for a reason. But your examples were very good tho, i just wanted to add some extras.

4:46 cant unsee Trickster just being Jevil wearing a party mask

When you were talking about the "false" type I could only think about Mohg from Elden Ring lol. he has a tragic story but nothing really justifies his actions in the end

Thinking about a version of this about rivals, but that might just be just a bunch of equals, bullies, and opposers

Really, I rather prefer mostly Sympathetic, Inner demon, Nemesis & also Equal villain types, hell yes!

Eternatus mentioned ‼️‼️🗣️🔥🔥

@legitimatefbr9714

13 күн бұрын

Makes me wonder where Pokerogue Eternatus would fit here

🤔 There's a phrase power corrupts however I find that phrase kinda a bit inaccurate because Spider-Man & Captain America are automatic examples that power doesn't always corrupt just enhances more of what was suppressed deep down inside of Any person Power corrupts MOST individuals but not all most of the time power reveals of what any of certain would've done with it in the authority that comes along with that if they have power in their possession & there's a very few individuals in any & all existence That have a good enough strong enough moral compass to rise above getting corrupted from Power that if they had it on their side they would just continue to do overwhelmingly good things instead of evil

I think inner and sympathetic are my favorite

Nice choice of names for the Villain stereotypes, they give a good idea of what they are like just from their names. I do think there are two sub-categories of villains that are appearing in media more recently, The Overlord and The Underlord type Villains. To give a brief summary of both, The Overlord is an impressively powerful controlling figure or entity that rarely or never fights or even faces the hero of the story But even still their power and strength is felt throught the entire story, they will also often command a Underlord or underlings to complete their goals. Examples of The Overlord are: The Chaos Gods, Sauron, and the Cunning Man. The Underlord is usually the 2nd in command to a powerful villainous entity (often this will fall under the overlord villain subcategory), though they aren't the most powerful villain in their story of origin, they are still a powerful threat the hero must face. Examples of the Underlord are: Thanqoul, Admiral Atticus Noble, and Saruman

So, I am currently cooking a game mod myself for FE8 and my big tin man I'd say defo falls into Nemesis and Bully. While his right hand man is Opposer and Dragon. The deity behind the tin man would be Nemesis and Sympathetic. He initiated all this because he thought mortals are getting soft.

So griffith is a mix of nemesis and false idol

Dragons and tricksters are by far the best recipe for cosmic horror if done right

My Favorite Equal/Sympathetic Villian: Vergil from Devil May Cry

You should do one for Love interests and one for Side Characters

Another example of the inner demon is the Little Ogre from Soul Eater, who resides within Soul's mind/soul. Another example of the Bully is Eddie's brother from Ed, Edd, and Eddy. Another example of the Trickster is Happy Chaos from Guilty Gear. He's only the villain because the story needs one, by his own admission, and if that isn't an agent of chaos I don't know what is.

Sukuna gotta have is unique category "Natural Disaster" or "Calamity"

The nemesis icon looks like Slade from teen titans lmao

Support Characters next plz

Frienemies is the best villain trope, fight me

@PolishGod1234

Күн бұрын

Best villain trope is the irredemable force of nature Like Judge Holden or Anton Chigurh

I have to take ... note so much wisdom... in order to understand... and hopefully see if is anything redeemable

Do you think you might be interesting to place your villain in the hero spectrum or your hero in the villain spectrum, in relation to each other? Like a villain who sees themselves as a tragic hero, with the hero as their nemesis, but in truth, the hero is an epic hero, and the villain is just a trickster, just as an example

@vizzyven

24 күн бұрын

I definitely think you could! A Villain is more of their story role, but that's in relation to a Hero, but either character can be a protagonist which only describes who the main character or point of view is coming from.

@runajain5773

20 күн бұрын

​@@vizzyvenwell bill chiper he more like a nemesis of gravity fall series it true he is tricker but he had god level power has

Tohru Adachi of Person 4: Definitely a Trickster, and maybe a bit of a False Idol, as well as a Bully or Opposer Goro Akechi of Persona 5: False Idol for sure, but also Sympathetic, with Equal and Nemesis mixed in.

I think a lot of people like villains that are easy to hate. Not me personally, but as an aspiring author, I’ve learned through research and questioning family and friends, that a sympathetic villain or even one that makes you question anything isn’t always a good one. Some people don’t want the moral struggle. They don’t want to see the morally grey. They just want an easy black and white, good versus evil story. People don’t like it because they aren’t willing to question morality or ethics because it’s too hard and it will cause them to see their own flaws. I think that’s precisely why we need morally grey villains, but regardless it is a thing. I think the best kind of villain is the in between. Irredeemable, but well intentioned In some way. It’s pretty generic, but I think people take for granted just how good of a villain Thanos is in the mcu (specifically infinity war). I’m not a huge marvel fan, but he works because he’s a cruel psychopath who kills and rarely shows mercy, but he makes it clear he is well intentioned and (mostly) an honorable foe. I think it’s better to use examples like this because the only villains I recognized from any of your examples were Jaffar, Grubba, Ganondorf, the joker, and Loki. I would recommend using more recognizable examples, but maybe I’m just uncultured for not really liking anime. Otherwise great video! Sorry about the long comment.

@joaoalves9330

26 күн бұрын

Thanos is not a psychopath. But I agree he's a cool character I just wish his plan was fleshed out more because it kinda sucks it doesn't make sense.

@gooseguyfilms4460

26 күн бұрын

@@joaoalves9330 eh I beg to differ with both points. His plan does make sense and it would work, but it’s psychotic. He kills trillions and feels no remorse. He’s very Machiavellian. He’s also brutal in the ways he kills people. He tortured his “children” which he abducted and trained as warriors to serve his cause. He is extremely cruel but he believes it is all justified by his purpose.

@joaoalves9330

25 күн бұрын

@@gooseguyfilms4460 Psychopath and psychotic are very different things. So is machiavellianism. Killing a bunch of people without remorse doesn't make you a psychopath or psychotic or machiavellian (necessarily). About the plan sure it makes sense in the short term but the population would eventually bounce back. It's not a permanent solution it's only delaying a problem which will return. And not all planets have equal rates of starvation one planet might need only a third of it's population gone to flourish while others might need 2 thirds gone. Some planets might not need anyone gone. Cutting all of the populations in half is heavily simplifying a problem which is not simple. I get the premise of Thanos' plan but it's not well developed or permanent. And they never told us why Thanos doesn't create more resources as opposed to reducing the amount of people.

@gooseguyfilms4460

25 күн бұрын

@@joaoalves9330 fair points about his plan. It would still technically work, but i see your points. I never really thought too hard about it before. But when I say he’s a psychopath I don’t mean it in the literal sense. I just mean he’s a very bad person who can’t really be fully forgiven. He did really terrible things, which makes him easy to root against but it’s still very easy to see where he’s coming from. He is Machiavellian though in most senses. He is attempting to achieve the greatest possible climate for all people and in that sense doing a very good thing, at a steep cost. But to him the cost is less than the payoff, so it is justified.

@joaoalves9330

25 күн бұрын

@@gooseguyfilms4460 oh yeah then I agree 100%

Imagine how dangerous a nihilistic villain would be, if we only have one life and nothing really matters in the end why do we care? Why don't we try having fun! The villain is fully aware that he is evil and he loves it, he plays that role just to see the looks on people's faces. That's kind of a mix between a nemesis and a trickster but definitely not an opposer.

@choco_sanity9028

24 күн бұрын

Owl man. Pretty good example

@GreenGuy-gv8di

22 күн бұрын

​@@choco_sanity9028 i was about to say that but it doesn't matter

@DK-th5nt

20 күн бұрын

Isn't it Joker?

@BM-13_KATYUSHA

20 күн бұрын

@@DK-th5nt yeah kinda

@choco_sanity9028

20 күн бұрын

@@DK-th5nt Hm maybe

My current BBEG is both a Nemesis and a Sympathetic Villain. A copper dragon who was born with a birth defect, a heart that formed in two halves. In the egg, he was dying, and as he felt the icy grip of death come over him he experienced a traumatic level of terror that caused him to form a pathological fear of death and a willingness to do almost anything to preserve his own life. Then comes a False Idol, a mage who saved the copper dragon by using dark magics to warp it into a monstrous hybrid creature. The hybridization of the copper dragon allowed a new regenerative ability to mend the two halves of its deformed heart, but now it must feed on the flesh and blood of others to sustain itself. As the copper dragon is still driven by a fear of death, it has massacred and devoured countless people over its 300 years of life to perpetuate itself, with its ultimate goal being to achieve immortality and assert itself as a supreme being that would rule over the world. The False Idol mage that healed the copper dragon at the cost of corrupting it also influenced the copper dragon's ideology. Whereas normally copper dragons enjoy laughter, jokes, and causing mischief, the BBEG of my campaign has effectively had all joy ruthlessly beaten out of him over many years of indoctrination. Now the copper dragon of the story believes that the world is too chaotic for its own good and that any world that would allow an unborn child (Itself) to die before even getting to live to be a fundamentally unjust and corrupt world in need of a complete overhaul. The BBEG is forlorn, melancholic, and fearful of any that would do him harm, including the D&D party, who despite being less powerful than the corrupted copper dragon in direct combat, have managed to get him to retreat on numerous occasions by simple means of intimidation and bluffs. While redemption is technically possible for the BBEG, it is unlikely, as in order to be redeemed properly he would have to come to terms with his own mortality and lack of control of the world around him, something that is very difficult for D&D dragons to do, as pride bordering on absolute hubris is hard-wired into their psychology. Doing this would also mean that the BBEG would eventually die, as without the flesh and blood of others, his body would become unstable and he would crumble into dust after enough time had passed. Very tough situation. Even if the BBEG took this path, he's still perpetuated multiple genocides to sate his need for fresh blood, and so despite his remorse over doing such things, he still likely wouldn't be forgiven by the people of the world, leading to his final days likely being spent in solitude. Deep down, the BBEG of my campaign is still a scared and confused baby, unsure of his place in the world and frightened by the apparent danger he sees all around him. His actions are mostly a desperate bid to save his own life, or lashing out due to fear. The False Idol mage, however, is the truly irredeemable one, as he is absolutely convinced that his actions are worthwhile and feels no remorse for anything he's done. He's still alive due to his own life preserving abilities, and he's been whispering into the BBEG's ear through a good chunk of the campaign, keeping his favorite science experiment loyal and afraid of others. If redemption were to occur, the mage would have to be taken out of the equation first, or at the very least be proven to be the villainous monster he actually is.

I read Equal and Dragon next to each other and my head instantly went to „Ah, so this is a Monster Hunter video?“ and then I was confused since the 3rd wasn’t „Weapon“. MH brainrot at its finest

Another False Idol villain that I personally love is Emperor Belos from The Owl House

Is it also possible to add characters from games? For example, 4:41- Monsoon from MGR comes here?

The best villian is the sympathetic villian for me

@vizzyven

24 күн бұрын

I like them too!

@PolishGod1234

Күн бұрын

Thats one of my least favourites

question, where would the false gabriel from mandela catalogue fall here? or v2, from ultrakill?

Ive just realised Shigoraki is an anti villain??? Also collector from the owl house id say is a trickster, mixed with antivillain? But not a false hero? My favorite kind of villain, id say my top 3 are Antivillains False heros And inner demons

5:12 You just described Homelander

Best example of the Equal is Vergil from Devil May Cry

I'm suprised you didn't list Omori for the "Inner" category, the character is quite literally the manifestation of Sunny's built-up depression, self-blame, regret, and hatred of his past mistakes.

@vizzyven

10 күн бұрын

I've actually never played Omori

The onecler and satan can count as a false idol

Homelander could be a False Idol

5:47 Makima is also a Nemesis as She and Denji get their epic battle at the end of Part 1 of Chainsaw Man. Cool Video 😊 6:20 like how Shigaraki gets redeemed as he sacrifices himself to kill all for one once and for all

Some of these types, such as the equal and the opposer, should their own TV Tropes page dedicated to them as well.