You are 100% correct! This even pertains to ALL weapons hunters hunt with. Especially rifle hunters. The past 2 decades has gotten really bad with long range hunting, and animals suffer for it. I dont care what hotrod caliber you have it still takes time to get to the animal and animals move. Raise your skill and get closer.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

So well said! You nailed it

That impression of a deer eating was spot on 😁 Great points made in this video about ethical hunting. Thanks !

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

😂😂 I did my best..lol

Very good demonstration! When I taught Bowhunter Ed Classes, I would explain that sound travels at around 1160 fps. A Traditional bow launches an arrow at 180-200 fps. So, the sound gets to the animal 6 times faster than the arrow! Then I would come back with, "Quiet beats fast every time"!

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100% for the last 2 years I have videod every shot I've taken on deer and hogs and I promise 99% of the time they are moving between the sound of the shot and the arrow hitting. Crazy how fast a hog can move and they jump the string more than deer do

Agree! There's just way too much time for animals to react when shots past 15-20 yards are taken. People trying to take game with bows at 40-50 yards need to sell their bows and stick to rifles. Bow hunting is a game of how close, not how far.

@lukebonagurio4503

Жыл бұрын

Tell that to Fred bear art young howard hill all took game over 60 yards

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

I agree 100%.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

@@lukebonagurio4503 I don't think either one of them would hunt now the way they did then with the knowledge on animals we now have

@lukebonagurio4503

Жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow idk about that what in general do we know now vs then? And to say the didn't know there animals they wear hunting sound absurd.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

@@lukebonagurio4503 it's OK if you don't know or understand. Most don't.

Exactly!!!! I wish this video, was available years ago, when i was debating this very subject with many,on various Archery hunting forums. It illustrates the very points i was making, regarding the dangers of taking long shots, regardless of long range practice, on static targets.Too many variables that are out of our control.

@SamkoTradBow

6 ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it. Many variable to live animals.

Jason, Ranch Fairy has done good videos on how fast hogs move after the arrow is shot. Backs up what you're saying about the time from arrow release to the animal and movement of the animal in between that shot I think I got that correct, lol. Great video as always!

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

I remember ranch saying once that a hog is always moving and only stationary when sleeping. Very true! I have had so many dang hogs in range down here but now shots because they are always spinning, jerking, walking, Turning etc. And deer can jump a string at speeds that our eyes can't even see. Best way to keep high recovery rates is to keep the distances close reducing all the variables.

Im so glad there are still some people who till see archery like i do! I tred going to the archery shop and hear all the bigshots in there talking about shooting deer at 60yds or more and i just cringe everytime i hear it. When i give my opinion on the distance i limit my shot i hear the same bs everytime. I dont even say anything anymore. Glad you put this video out!

@SamkoTradBow

9 ай бұрын

Yep we come from a time when bowhunting was about developing skills and getting close. Now it's about finding easy ways to shoot farther to avoid developing said skills.

yup, had a deer of a lifetime just outside my range and had to watch it walk away, because for recreational hunting the risk aint worth it for my ethics.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100% and been there myself many times

Thank you, good information. Believe it or not my max distance I will take a shot is 15-17 yards. That’s where I feel the best and if the shot is longer, I just enjoy the view…

@SamkoTradBow

6 ай бұрын

Love hearing that! Wish more people thought and had the discipline to do the same.

But,but,but I can hit an aspirin 10 times out of 10 at 100 yards lol. It’s sad to see what bow hunting has become over the years. Went from how close can I get. To, how far can I shoot. I have way more respect for the guy that kills them at 10 than the guy that kills one at 50!

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100% and have heard and seen all those distance excuses too. Seems nobody wants to hunt anymore they just want to kill stuff and get home.

That’s why I like the “maahh” 🦌 call. Freezes them in place sometimes 😂 thanks for the great points.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Beating them to stop can help. But I have had it hurt me at times too because then thry are alert and watching my direction and very apt to duck the shot

Excellent information Jason. Thanks Nate

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

This was pretty legit, Jason. Awesome video it will really help paint a picture for folks!

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Thanks. Glad you enjoyed it.

Your videos help me a lot. Thank you very much!

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Glad you are enjoying the videos

This so true we get so caught up in the bow speeds that we forget the movement of the animals we are hunting.I seen a video on this on growing deer tv about a year ago the used a computer to simulate the deer moving to when the arrow reached it very interesting.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Yep no arrow out of any bow can match the natural movements of a animal let alone thier speed when strung jumping

I have to echo Archery Geek in saying that this video is a great argument for taking ethical shots at close range...Thanks!

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

That's the key to amazing recovery rates. Ethical shots and close distances!

I think the American Style Longbows/American Style Shortbows or Recurves with the notched flat grip, basically a flat grip design with a medium depth notch in it are the best, more leaning to American Style Longbows/American Style Shortbows as I have a true shortbow at 52 inches due to having to get a 45 pound Youth Longbow. I like the notch due to how 1, I can repeat the grip every time in the notch/pocket of the grip in the best spot, 2, I have smaller hands for an adult, proportionate to the body so the bows handles are great for still being able to use the full grip with my hand size, then 3 the bonus is I have a comfortable grip. The really deep notched flat grips I do not like as I often have to use some leather or similar thick material for the bows grip just to get the grip to where I can do a full grip. The Dished grip is great for similar reasons, but I find few places willing to make a bow like that not in a English longbow design where those use a rounded/dished grip for the bow already.

One step makes a huge difference in the shot. Rarely do I have a whitetail stand in a perfect window perfectly broadside and then STOP so I can take the shot

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Yep perfect situations rarely happen in the wild

Interesting....I was taught to use the Acronym *DOP* , in my hunts....I've always thought about 1) the *Distance* to the target (under 40 ft / 13 yrds / 12 mtrs) 2) The *Obstacles* in the way , to the target (light, wind, trees, bush etc..) 3) The *Placement* of the Arrow in the Target 3) ... over the speed of the Arrow. (I'l have to add this to my new Acronym= *DOPS* ) Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experience of the day, with us.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Great thought process. The speed doesn't matter much as there is no way to get an arrow to fast enough to make much difference. Animals move many times faster than I showed my movements in the video. No arrow can match thier movements

Thank you

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

I like this test today, Jason, obviously the hole secret for us is getting are bow and arrow as whisper quite as we can 🏹

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Yep a quite bow and get as close as you can to the animals. Nothing will improve recovery rates more than close distances

@outdoorsman9384

Жыл бұрын

@Traditional Bowhunting And Wilderness Podcast I agree, I took a couple deer at 3 yards from natural ground blind, I'm waiting for a 1 yard shot my new goal, ynn when we keep planning how to become the ultimate close range, traditional only toxopholites 👌

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

@@outdoorsman9384 yep it sure is addictive. 1 yard on the ground would be pretty amazing

This is a great video a lot of people don’t take this into consideration and wonder why they missed. Great real world stuff here J. 🏹👊🏼🤙🏼oh and the inflight drink and movie lol 😂

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Yep most people don't realize all the movement an animal does and how long an arrow takes to get there

Great presentation! Great points!

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

That was a great video the noise the arrow makes is what hurts us wonder if you would get the sound of the arrow in flight . Thanks for sharing

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Yep arrow noise is a big factor but natural movement even when they don't hear the bow or the arrow will burn people too.

Good film Jason spot on👍

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it

Great videos. Nice seeing another lefty.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Glad you are enjoying them

Yes, this is a good reason why people have to time it for animals with a bow even some compounds like the Gen--X/Genesis Pro or the Barnett Vortex/H2O are too slow as well being they use late 1990's/early 2000's tech in the cams.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Yep and no bow made today is fast enough to beat the variables of time and movement

@caseysmith544

Жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow yes but, the compounds the fastest ones just allow for further shooting but not by much, 3--5 yards then max one should use in most cases.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

@Casey smith agree. I think 30 yards max with a compound in my opinion

Staggering how much an animal can move even without reacting to the sound of the bow or the approaching arrow. Just a random step forward or a body weight shift can pull an arrow impact all the way out of the kill zone. 12 to 15 yards is a good distance for traditional equipment. Yards are miles in the arrow world. Conversely, I had only one suitable tree to climb recently and it was 5 yards to one of the trails. 5 deer came down this trail and I had no shot, because I was TOO close. It is a wonder we ever kill animals with traditional equipment. Good video.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Very true. Have had to let many deer go because of being too close. One time in Missouri in one evening I had 3 p and y bucks come head on straight into me and eat acorns under my tree for 5 mins before they smelled me and ran off never offering a shot..lol

@Kurtdog63

Жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow Shew, that's heart breaking. I think back in 2015 I was hunting on the ground and the same thing happened to me, except my problem was... I only had a doe tag. 3 ten pointers traveling together... last day of the season. How does that happen? The video is on my channel.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

@@Kurtdog63 😂😂 the way it always goes!

There isn't a bow/arrow combination that's faster than the slowest deer.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100

Funny that you made this video for 2 reasons first off I've been telling people this for years to no avail always hearing the same BS "my bows so fast they never know what hit them" blah blah and second I had a decent 7 pointer right under me at less than 12 feet the second I released the arrow that deer came unglued, my perfect heart lung shot turned into a neck shot when he spun, went in right beside the jaw and came out the brisket. He bled out in seconds luckily, my point is this you never know what that animal is going to do and the speed at which they can react is incredible. For this reason I hug that front shoulder pocket right on the heart as tight as I can if they drop you got lungs if they jump forward you're still likely to catch the back of the lungs and the liver. There's no guarantee but better to anticipate that movement, besides that if they don't react you got a dead on heart shot they aren't surviving that 😎

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100%!

when hunting African hogs they literally tell you to wait until they go down to knees to drink "then shoot". Their reaction time to sound is so fast that if you shoot a bow while they are still on their feet "you miss".

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

I see that happen alot. Hogs are always moving and they are super fast to jump the string

Just curious why a hill style bow is the best for bow hunting?

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

All personal preference. For me a hill bow is the most forgiving of shooting errors, the most durable non failing bow design, the straight grip is very fast. And the linear travel direction of the limbs make them dead quiet. The shelf being right on top of the straight grip means I can shoot it horizontal vertical and any can't position with zero impact change. Simple answer is I shoot and hunt better with a hill bow than any other style bows I have owned

Hello Jason, is you arrow 710 grains not including your broadhead set up?

@SamkoTradBow

10 ай бұрын

Yes that include the broadhead.

I agree, see guys all the time talking about killing animals at 30 yards plus with trad equipment My response is you need to buy a lottery ticket because your a lucky individual. Unfortunately this is the one area where the compound guys have a decent argument against us trad guys. Bows shooting 150fps vs 300 fps is a big difference in acceptable hunting ranges. Of corse you got the compound guys that think 300fps means they can shot at animals 50 yards plus 🤦🏻‍♂️

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Agree 100% I think it's human nature to chase the easy button and it's easier to shoot a deer that's too far than it is to let I walk, learn from it and try again with the knowledge gained.

Jason, I just ordered a mandarin duck phantom bow.... Will it make a good hunting bow?

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Yep thats the black hunter bow and it's a very nice bow. You will really like it

@warlock.420

Жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow the one I'm talking about is an aluminum riser that looks a bit skeletalized. I'd of loved the wood one but it was out of my budget 😅

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

@ARIIS Corkins I bet its still a great bow. I've heard nothing but amazing things about the black hunter bows

I know I've asked you this before but what length is your bow?

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

64 inch

@jarridcarter5001

Жыл бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow dang thats kinda short for a hill bow isn't it?

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

@@jarridcarter5001 yes. I had him custom make me a 64 as I only draw 25.5-26 inches

Who the we? In we keep shots under 20?

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

All bow hunters. But even under 20 for traditional and under 30 for compounds and xguns would be my thoughts on high percentage distances

Are you trying to convince us to use compounds, or just get closer?🤔😁

@caseysmith544

Жыл бұрын

To not shoot from far away.

@SamkoTradBow

Жыл бұрын

Same thing would happen for a compound. No bow made today can beat natural movement at 20 yards and farther

@biggameslayer3826

Жыл бұрын

Speed and sound from the bow are a factor but first factor just wait for the animal to stop. My friend is making long bows now draw length 26” at 50 lbs and getting speed of 176 fps with 500 arrow My compound is 325 fps and have shot deers and bears out 30+ yards. I also shoot long bow and really wouldn’t go past 25 yards it’s always a waiting game for the perfect shot. I’ve been shooting bows for 37 years and just got back into traditional long bow again cause modern bows are like rifles now fast and flat shooting. Never chance a shot on a moving target you can only hope they go in the path you predicted, just be patient and wait get them to stop by a quick whistle or bleat sound, works for me every time.

Hello Jason, is you arrow 710 grains not including your broadhead set up?

@SamkoTradBow

10 ай бұрын

610 with the broadhead. That's totally arrow weight

@JL250X

10 ай бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow awesome thanks you! I just got a 40lb recurve and I’m trying to determine what a good weight would be. I plan on shooting a 150-200 grain broad head.

@SamkoTradBow

10 ай бұрын

@JL250X I like 10 grains of arrow weight per pound of bow weight as a minimum. So 400 grains total arrow weight would be what I call a good minimum. Personally I'd rather be 450-500

@JL250X

10 ай бұрын

@@SamkoTradBow awesome I’ll start looking around. The bow shops around me aren’t too much help. They just throw a 400 spine arrow on everything lol. I’ve watched one of your other arrow videos today which helped.

@SamkoTradBow

10 ай бұрын

@JL250X I'm betting you will be 600 or 500 spine but I'm not real great at that stuff. I have been shoot8ng same arrows for so long I'm out of touch on all that stuff.