This fact is playing out in the real world, I drove past 2 tow trucks yesterday, one had a Burn Your Dog and the other had an MG. Gotta love the Australian consumer, always attracted to cheap shit.

@davidnobular9220

10 күн бұрын

BYD = Build Your Delusions MG = Mediocre Goods

@Steve-jx3mh

9 күн бұрын

And yet the most towed car by one of the countries auto clubs is an Izuzu ute. All cars have the potebtial for problems regardless of what fuel it uses. Do chinese cars break down more than europeans? Not sure about that, never owned chinese, but have had a few issues with euros over the years.

@nevillegoddard4966

8 күн бұрын

@@lesleypaterson1463 Ok mate, righto, ya got me with that one! What-the-heck is a 'burn your dog? A Unimog? I couldn't find an equivalent. Better tell me then go on. Probly sumthin obvious but I've missed it!

@stephaniefairey8633

8 күн бұрын

@@nevillegoddard4966 referring to a vid in which JC used every pejorative he could think of for BYD - hilarious

@nevillegoddard4966

8 күн бұрын

@@stephaniefairey8633 I'll bet! I've since found out that B.Y.D. is just an actual brand name like M.G., not an acronym or any kind of rhyming slang. It's just that I'd never heard of the brand before, from down here in Australia!

I commented hundreds of times on your videos about how my 1989 Hilux and 2003 Hilux are more reliable than the sunrise, if I continue to service them with care I think they might outlast humanity,, And now I also just purchased a 2005 100s TD Landcruiser I’m sure I’ll never need to buy another vehicle again.

@xpusostomos

10 күн бұрын

There's always something you forgot... E.g. radiator hose deteriorated, leak, overheat, blow your head... Not worth repairing (maybe)

@MattBlack6

10 күн бұрын

I have to service the 80 series soon. It'll be up to 6 months. I've done 550km since the last service. Nonetheless is going to be serviced again at or about 6 months.

@xpusostomos

10 күн бұрын

@@MattBlack6 sounds like a waste of money. With those km, wait a year

@davidb1630

10 күн бұрын

@@MattBlack6 That's how you keep the engine bulletproof. Condensation and carbon are what ruin oil otherwise it would last for years. 👍👍

@craigdavid6668

10 күн бұрын

@@xpusostomosSounds like you are a deer with no eyes.

But But BUT, they said EV's are so much more reliable than gas and diesel vehicles. You mean they lied to us?

@philip4193

10 күн бұрын

Yeah, and Joe Biden doesn't have dementia either!

@davidbeppler3032

10 күн бұрын

Nope. EVs are much more reliable. If by EV you mean Tesla.

@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n

10 күн бұрын

DEBOOONKED!!! MY EV IS CAR IS RELIABLE CUZ IT HAS NO SERVICE PARTS WHICH REQUIRE SERVIC ING!! TAKE THAT!!! LUDDITES!!!!

@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n

10 күн бұрын

CAPACITIVE TOUCH IS THE FUTURE OF TECHNOLOGY

@johncox3640

10 күн бұрын

David, not according to JD Powers.

Many EVs tend to lock themselves down and refuse to function normally at the slightest issue, and even when there are no actual issues but the system makes a mistake and thinks some issue happened. Since they do not need to send all of the info or access via OBDII when it comes to EVs, users are forced to take the vehicle to a service center. Many other issues revolve around their extreme anti-repair stance where some CAN bus errors can result in the system thinking you tried to replace some parts on your own, causing it to refuse to use the part.

@zwerko

10 күн бұрын

Some modern vehicles are not using CAN at all, everything goes on their own version of LAN, using TLS with their own, embedded, certificates. Good luck doing anything on them without stealing the company's diagnostic toolset...

@GF-mf7ml

9 күн бұрын

I won't buy a product that refuse to works even repaired. Just like printer industry.

@flinch622

4 күн бұрын

I have no data to refer to, but my sense is... software these days is the number one problem for EV's and primarily because the owner can't get at it to fix it. So who owns the car then? Feels like its whoever holds the licensing scheme - maybe they should pay for your insurance as title was issued as a fraud and also... pay for the battery disposal when the vehicle arrives at its mear term destiny of being unrepairable.

EVs ….. The sh1t sandwich…. For those that don’t like bread !!!

@ashleyobrien4937

8 күн бұрын

Life is a shit sandwich, the more bread you have, the less shit you have to eat........

An Irish Wolfhound is a big dog. You’re going to need a pizza or calzone to sort that baby.

@petermapstone9684

10 күн бұрын

Family size should do it.

@TheKnobCalledTone.

10 күн бұрын

Here I was, thinking that a cob would be up to the task. I've obviously not seen any Irish Wolfhound emissions recently.

@robg6485

10 күн бұрын

A pizza or calzone? Surely you mean a gluten free vegan mountain bread wrap?😂😂

@flinch622

4 күн бұрын

That neighbor a couple houses down that is a dick? Your old lacrosse stick just got a new lease on life...

And yet the ad following this vid on my feed is Charging Solutions. Lol

@dougle03

10 күн бұрын

You see Ad's on KZread...? Wow, not seen one of them for a while... lol

@jimmybe64

9 күн бұрын

I haven't seen any ad for so long. Can't stand them. Ad blocker stops them fo me

What is going wrong with these cars? I'm on my third new car in 24 years and I can count the number times one has been back to the dealer for a fail on one hand. Someone is getting more than their fair share lol

@zwerko

10 күн бұрын

It's all with the half-finished bells and whistles where one stupid thing knocks out everything... Up until recently, in order to redirect your air flow around the cabin you'd use a simple mechanical contraption to angle the winglets on your air ducts and be done with it. Now, such a simple thing can fail in a myriad of ways: the central tablet that controls everything can die, there can be buggy software, the angling motors may fail, their hall/other sensors too... There are at least 10 different things that can fail to replace something that would before this 'modern way of doing things' fail only if you stroke it with a 10lbs hammer (and even then, not catastrophically). And that's just simple cabin airflow control...

@ehb403

9 күн бұрын

You're not far off then. average is slightly below 2 per car (195 per 100 cars).

@stusue9733

9 күн бұрын

@@ehb403 You left out the "in the first 90 days" part. You could argue that I didn't say that I wasn't. But I did think it was clear I was talking about "24 years of car ownership".

In the US an EV is about the same cost as roof top solar. I was recently quoted over $50K for solar and my new Tesla is in the low $40Ks. In nine years of owning a BEV it has been in the shop once for repairs.

Hi John. Can you give a talk about Led headlights, lightbars, night blindness, arrogant fks refusing to dip their lights, and ADR.?

@unclefester

10 күн бұрын

And dickheads who think it’s cool to drive around town with fog lights on.

@bushy0299

10 күн бұрын

Yeah, I hate driving at night now. Everyone has these bright as f#ck lights.

@davidnobular9220

10 күн бұрын

Funny you should mention that....there is knob in a street around the corner from where I live, and when he comes home at night, he turns on his high beam AND his light bar to literally drive about 40-50 m up the road to his home......I would not believe if unless I had seen it myself....on more than one occasion too.

@orsonbuggy

10 күн бұрын

All you need are a pair of Polarised sunglasses to kill the glare from oncoming headlights. Works day and night against all light sources 🎉

@andrewallen9993

10 күн бұрын

Play the game old chap! THAT'S not a headlight, THIS is a headlight. Cue to flicking switch that triggers relay with really thick wire that energises the aircraft landing lights in the spotlight holders 😀

A greater number of problems. Thirty percent more expensive. Half the range. All the unicorns!

@TheKnobCalledTone.

10 күн бұрын

Don't forget the bottomless cup of Kool-Aid at the service department

@johncleary2454

10 күн бұрын

You had me at unicorns, where do I sign up

@virkgale

10 күн бұрын

And for convenience's sake those unicorn horns are on the seats.

@joecoolioness6399

9 күн бұрын

Just stay away from startups. Tesla only exists because of my tax money kicking in to help the richest man in the world build a company, a bad company at that. I went with a Nissan EV and would get a Honda, Toyota, even a Ford or Chevy before I'd touch a startup EV. Startup fails, you are left with a car you cannot fix.

Tesla Australia has a different built from the Fremont and Texas tesla built. We get ours from Giga Shanghai.

@TheKnobCalledTone.

10 күн бұрын

That's probably why Australian-delivered Teslas aren't as poorly made as US domestic market ones

@kallekas8551

10 күн бұрын

Complete with VINYL SEATS!🪣💩🤣

@nuthinasitseems5213

10 күн бұрын

Actually Fremont California has a better Build Quality than Shanghai China.

@kallekas8551

10 күн бұрын

@@nuthinasitseems5213 That’s my understanding as well…

@marcc.490

10 күн бұрын

@@nuthinasitseems5213 nope. A simple google search says you are wrong.

JD ranking is useful but don't really reflect Australia market as most "brands" like Toyota and Hyundai are manufactured in USA where aussies get ours from Japan. so they ranking is skewed.

@johnwade1095

10 күн бұрын

The US built Toyotas aren't anything like as good as the Japanese.

@lunsmann

10 күн бұрын

Try Korea and Thailand. Very few cars that come here are made in Nippon.

@Iwishiwasflying

10 күн бұрын

Missing the point. The subject matter is about EVs. Dropstar vehicles are made in China. The USA and ourselves both get cars from the same factory

@xpusostomos

10 күн бұрын

In what alternate universe are Hyundais made in Japan?

@johnwade1095

10 күн бұрын

@xpusostomos don't be mean, his basic point was good.

All cars need fixing. The problem with EVs is only the manufacturer can fix it. The wait time for service is getting longer. Gas cars anybody can fix it. This will frustrate people.

@christophlindinger2267

10 күн бұрын

The newer the gas cars are, the less reliable and the more complicated to fix

@mikldude9376

10 күн бұрын

Actually no , not all cars need fixing , I’m old , I used to work in the motor trade , I have had a lot of cars , my most poorly built gas car in recent decades , I did not have to put a spanner on it other than oil changes and very basic servicing for 7 years , at that stage , the motor needed a $3.00 o ring replaced and the aircon needed a gas up , the car , which was also a tow vehicle as well as being the family taxi went to do 17 years of faithful service with only normal consumables like a couple of batteries , an alternator, a coil pack , all of which where just normal wear and tear items and easily and fixable , I might add , the only time that particular car ever visited a dealer was for a wheel alignment. At the end of 17 years of service I retired her due to a hard life and a very beat up body that also had hail damage . I might add , that car still ran like a top and the engine, auto trans , and differential where all still unopened from the day it left the dealer 17 years earlier , it was a good car , not perfect , but it was very good . My replacement car , also doing family taxi duties , but a bit less towing these days , is now a tad over 7 years , so far the only time it has had any work done to it was basic servicing, and to replace the wiper blades and fit a tow bar and a battery to it , this one is a better built gas car than my last one , I expect this one to last as long as the old one and a bit longer . I could keep going with my 30 year old Lexus with its magnificent 1uzfe quad cam V8 , but you get the general drift , not all cars are created equal , and certainly electric cars are not even close to being a replacement for a good gas car.. That being said , you can buy crap gas cars if you don’t know the products or don’t do your research.

@thetowndrunk988

10 күн бұрын

@@mikldude9376The issue is, most people don’t keep cars long enough. It’s the whole “I want new” mentality. That’s how the electric cult can get away with preaching, because no one keeps a car longer enough to truly need service. It’s the idiotic, “throw away” culture we live in now, which is also why so many people stay broke, and scream for a living wage.

@user-xu5vl5th9n

10 күн бұрын

These are early life, "zero kilometre" fails. These are considered the worst in the industry and they always go back to the dealer. Reliability is also likely more important for environmental sustainability than tailpipe emissions.

@nevillegoddard4966

8 күн бұрын

​@@mikldude9376 Good record Mikl! Regular, proper servicing lengthens ice cars lifetimes SO much!

Being an American survey - they're likely returning to the dealer because they can't hear the engine...

The "Pole Stars" in clubs arent too reliable either... It wasnt a good choice of company name.

@xpusostomos

10 күн бұрын

True, mine aren't that reliable, but they sure are delicious.

@Sparky_D

10 күн бұрын

Ok, so I just got to the pole dancing bit... I honestly posted my first comment before seeing that! Good work, dude

EV's have worse electrics than old renaults... think about that

@sichere

10 күн бұрын

Or Old Rovers

@hogtownhenry

10 күн бұрын

Did Renaults have electric wiring. I thought it was fencing wire wrapped in used burger wrappers. I learn new things every day!!!!!!

@zwerko

10 күн бұрын

@@hogtownhenry Chicken wire wrapped in discarded baguette paper sleeves is exactly what the French call 'electrical wiring'. Sometimes they add a bit of color to it for a bit of flair, and if you complain that it doesn't follow any standards they tell you that you don't understand fashion.

@JeepCherokeeful

10 күн бұрын

At least they’re not as bad as Italian cars!

@davidbeppler3032

10 күн бұрын

Except Tesla.

Some of what the JD Power survey shows you is what type of person buys each brand. Genesis buyers, for example, expect perfection, where Kia and Hyundai buyers expect something a bit better than their 19 year old rust bucket.

@zoltrix7779

8 күн бұрын

Strange considering they come out of the same factory.

@nearlypastit2385

7 күн бұрын

Yes ICOD, quite right. Some years ago (I don't know if the situation has changed now) I decided I'd contribute to a JD Power survey. When I saw the nature of the questions I decided that it wasn't wise to take the results published without quite a large 'pinch of salt'. The questions to the contributor seemed mostly of the flavour ' Compared with your expectations (and then on to specific topic e.g. how comfortable was your car, or how smooth was the gearchange etc. etc.). If I spent several wheelbarrows full of my local currency on a car, my expectations would naturally be higher with regards scrutiny of atributes than just a bucketful ! Obviously, the number of 'reported faults' won't be quite so skewed by my observations.

The JD survey is about initial quality, not reliability, so the whole title is a lie. From the article: Top concerns for EVs included features, controls and displays as well as wireless smartphone integration, as customers reported frequent difficulties with Apple CarPlay and Android Auto. ... kinda sounds like people getting used to using the options and tech that could have been in ICE cars for years. ALSO. Hyundai and Kia are in the top 5 of that survey of initial quality the video refers to, good luck with those cars in 3 years.

@aussierulescoach9959

9 күн бұрын

The big fella didn't want to elaborate on the details of the survey... wonder why

@bbking0064

8 күн бұрын

@Rocinantewow One of the few intelligent comments on this list of posts.

@smileyfacefrown2723

6 күн бұрын

So your saying that people who buy tech heavy vehicles, can't work out how to connect their phones? The world is doomed. Just FYI, last I looked the longevity of both Kia and Hyundai are quite good, better resale in 3 years compared to electric equivalents, but I guess if you can't connect a phone to your vehicle, you have bigger problems.

@peeemm2032

6 күн бұрын

They (JD Power) also do another survey for issues in the the first 3 years (look up "JD Power Dependability Survey) where they rank vehicles by order of number of issues in the three years since manufacture. They say that the three month survey is a good predictor of performance in three year survey..... The 2024 report has been released, Tesla did pretty badly in that one too.....

Very surprised by the poor Mazda results. I have a 2016 Thailand built one. Only ever been to the dealer once outside of 6 monthly servicing - a DPF fault caused by a duff O2 sensor, which was fixed for free outside of warranty. Runs like a Swiss watch. Perhaps its crap build quality from the US or Mexican factories!

@xpusostomos

10 күн бұрын

You mean a BT-50 built by Isuzu?

@csjrogerson2377

10 күн бұрын

@@xpusostomos Nope.

@TheKnobCalledTone.

10 күн бұрын

Mazda's poor showing in the survey is probably due to either US or Mexican build quality of the examples included. They're both as crap as each other, which would also explain why Toyota's JD Power score is so bad when compared with Lexus.

@JasonISF

10 күн бұрын

The Mazda we get in Australia seem to be ok as every second car on road is one.

@dunxy

10 күн бұрын

@@JasonISF Toyota far outnumber Mazda.

Lord Lucas would be proud of these numbers.

@kelvinwood6641

10 күн бұрын

The quintessential 'Prince of Darkness'!

@Ozcrazy49

10 күн бұрын

Give Joe a break. At least I can follow his wiring diagrams.

@andrewallen9993

10 күн бұрын

They just don't make electrical systems with that superb level of high reliability anymore. That's why my mother in laws Toyota Corolla was factory fitted with Lucas parts.

You hit the nail on the head with Toyota v Lexus - the difference is that so many Toyotas over Stateside are 100% stars-and-stripes gun-toting homegrown hoedown Made in America vehicles, and to be competitive with the "Big 3", they have to provide an authentic American ownership experience

My Toyota Camry has had two electrical faults for 25 years. First the electric radio antenna got stuck (live in the Swedish rust belt) so I changed it myself for the cost of $30. Then a switch went bad and this I changed myself, cost about $30 shipped from the US. The dealer in Sweden wanted $180 for it! I have also changed the muffler once. A garage did that for a hefty $700. Additionally I've changed rotors and brake pads. That's it! The car is rust free because of good Swedish rust protection and rides very smooth. Have never filled the AC compressor and Ac works as it should. Everything under the hood is original, except the cooler fan switch. I will never sell that car and buy a new crappy car with heaps of modules and plastic under the hood. BTW I'm not afraid of modules since I have a degree in electronic engineering. That old Camry has only what is needed; ABS, fuel injection, power steering and so on. I don't need anything else. Well the only thing I would like to have is a back camera and better head lights! PS! A couple of years ago when I went to the Toyota dealer to buy a oil filter the serviceman said the Camry is a real shit car! I asked him why he thought hat. He replayed: Well, we don't make any money on it since it never fails. I smiled and went home knowing I made a very good deal when I bought that car!

JD Power is a crock. Those awards are bought.

Boycott EVs forEVer.

@davidbeppler3032

10 күн бұрын

I drive 300 miles for just $9. Unless you like wasting money, a Tesla is the best value on the market.

@garagesale5948

10 күн бұрын

@@davidbeppler3032 Your insurance cost are higher and you have limited range. Climate change is not real.

@FiendishlyDelightedSefto

10 күн бұрын

@@davidbeppler3032 thats not how a EV works.

@slowercuber7767

10 күн бұрын

Savings vary. Around where you work and live, assuming you are charging at home and driving a lot but less than a couple of hundred miles each day, EVs can save you lots of money. On a long trip, where you’ll need to charge at superchargers, it can cost more like what you’d pay to gas up, though in most cases you’ll probably still save money, especially with a Model 3, or Model Y, or similarly efficient EV.

@GraemeHart8888

10 күн бұрын

@garagesale5948 it's a free world, do whatever you want

Electric cars = shocking !!!

So the worse built a vehicle is the more people are employed overall, given the ongoing remediation. The secret is building the right kinds of bad vehicle, you know to keep people in jobs!

Had a breakdown once in my EV, had a nail in the tire. Nothing more. Had multiple breakdowns in previous ICE vehicles, EGR valve stuck open on the highway, injector failure, misfires because of dirty intake valves. Every other EV owner I speak too says same as me, without problems. Drove mine to 125.000km today, car is two and a half years old. And the problems mentioned above, are the problems I see almost every day in our workshop. Still hope ICE will remain a while, we earn good money on them because of all the things that goes wrong them.

@ehb403

9 күн бұрын

This story is average initial quality only, nothing about dirty and clogged parts. Bet you replace your battery before the ICE needs a new motor though.

@Thargelios

9 күн бұрын

@@ehb403 Unlikely. I would say there's an equal long term chance. And many batteries only need 'dead cells' replaced, rather than the entire battery itself. Thus significantly reducing the cost, if it happens.

@marcohillenga5068

9 күн бұрын

@@ehb403 well, my EV isn’t new anymore, and most people don’t buy a new car. So that story applies to most people. The EV’s we get in the workshop just come for an inspection, AC service or tires. We haven’t had a broken battery in the shop or a battery that goes on fire everyday.

@RickKean

9 күн бұрын

@@ehb403 doubt it. My EV battery is rated for 3000 full charge cycles before the battery is down to 70% of initial range. I charge once a week, so over 50 years of charging. Doubt I will keep the car that long. How many ICE motors last 50+ years?

@marcohillenga5068

6 күн бұрын

@@RickKean ICE only last 50 years if you rebuild them regularly.

I can't wait for the follow-up video about the comments section.

Polestar….or Poxscar ?

@fredjashar9586

10 күн бұрын

Poleaxed

@nunchuckfilms

10 күн бұрын

high-priced stripper. may look good but will either leave you compromised and/or empty your bank account.

@anthonymasluk2295

10 күн бұрын

Poofster

@zwerko

10 күн бұрын

imPoster. Pretending to be a Volvo (not that Volvos are any better nowadays)...

@anthonymasluk2295

10 күн бұрын

More poofster

My dream EV would consist of a battery pack, a motor controller, and a single motor driving the front wheels. It would probably weigh 2500 lbs., have manual windows and brakes and seats and steering, and probably 120-mile range. Radio package and speakers is extra.

Love the wedge of the greenies with your support for rooftop solar! Genius. You should be in politics!

Ram and Chevy up the top of the reliability list ! My word thats amazing.

The best thing about EV's is that they identify idiots.

@markthomas207

10 күн бұрын

Yeah, especially the ones proudly driving their Cyber truck down the road.

@DaveGreg100

10 күн бұрын

@@markthomas207 In a covid mask.

@philhooper7012

9 күн бұрын

@@markthomas207 THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVING THE PLANETT

@nevillegoddard4966

8 күн бұрын

@​@DaveGreg100 Yeah .....while driving by themselves!😅😂!

@evfactsnotliesplease

8 күн бұрын

You're right Richard Weyland.

Not ALL of them, though, John. My business partner has a 12-year-old Leaf, which he purchased 9 years ago. He's only ever slow-charged it at home in all that time. Today is has about 60k of range, which is all they ever need from it. In 9 years of ownership he has replaced the tyres (once), the windscreen wiper blades (a few times), the brake pads (once) and the cabin air filters a couple of times. That's it. And that makes it just about the cheapest car of all time. GO NISSAN LEAF!

Don't worry about it EV's will be gone in 10 years.

@markmiller8903

10 күн бұрын

Tesla will be bankrupt in a year.

@lenimbery7038

8 күн бұрын

Just a passing fad like when the automobile came out to replace the horse and buggy

@CRFLAus

7 күн бұрын

@@lenimbery7038 Go ask the Amish.

Conclusion. All cars are crap. Survey does not break out the types of issues

@zorbakaput8537

10 күн бұрын

Sophistry alert

@anthonymasluk2295

10 күн бұрын

Your talkin out ur ass

@NotAnonymousNo80014

10 күн бұрын

Conclusion: You better pay well if you want a JD Power award.

@Beanerds

10 күн бұрын

'All NEW cars are crap' , there fixed it for ya .

@dscop442

10 күн бұрын

Correct. JDP exists to milk money from the OEM’s. If you want to know what the customers complained about….OEM has to pay JDP for the info.

MB has stopped the EV crap now..

@lesfox2010

9 күн бұрын

So has Toyota. They do not see the future as electric. I believe a few other names are going that way too.

Last week i did a 4 hour drive. In that 4hrs i saw 5, yes 5 Teslas on the back of recovery tow trucks. i quite often see 1 or 2 in a day, but 5 is just shocking. Guess that tells you all you need to know.

@Jcewazhere

9 күн бұрын

That they were transporting the teslas somewhere and instead of paying for 5 drivers they just got a lorry to carry them?

@dj_paultuk7052

9 күн бұрын

@@Jcewazhere I dont believe the "AA" offer that service, they are for Breakdowns.

And you think ICE cars are not controlled by computers? An automatic transmission is controlled by a computer that reads the switches in the shifter and does the appropriate action. The same goes for the engine. Even the accelerator pedal is drive by wire.

@Zan_Jayna

7 күн бұрын

It costs more oil product to manufacture the car than gas cars use up over their entire lifetime, No amount of simping fixes that

Actually, John, the neighbours loved me here in Vic when we had no power for 2 days… my battery and solar is what charged their phones and kept their fridge food from spoiling (in my fridge). I don’t have a battery and solar because I like tech, it’s there because I don’t trust the Govt can keep the lights on down here.

@flinch622

4 күн бұрын

That reminds me: what preppers are really about in the final analysis is... surviving government stupidity. Natural disasters are a modest inconvenience by comparison. Anyway, get your Lockdowners out of office - the sooner the better.

If you play with you tablet with your engine running there is $1000 fine UNLESS you glue it to the dashboard ?

@AutoExpertJC

10 күн бұрын

Best advice: Never play with it in public.

@anthonymasluk2295

10 күн бұрын

@@AutoExpertJC best advice don’t buy a car wankers tend to buy

@anthonymasluk2295

10 күн бұрын

@@AutoExpertJC they usually watch cnn aswell lol

Part of the problem is these are mostly low volume and new platform vehicles. So I assume at least part of the data can be down to working out the manufacturing bugs. I often heard "don't buy the first year of a new platform" because the number of issues is higher the first year. The data covers only the first 90 days of ownership. So it is clear evidence of sloppy manufacturing, but it's not proof that long-term ownership will continue to have double the rate of defects. Having to go back to the dealer 3 times instead of once or twice in the first 90 days would be annoying, buy hardly catastrophic. I am a lot more interested on long term repair costs. How much is the average maintenance bill for the first few years of ownership? ICEs have a lot of issues with overly complicated emissions and fuel systems. I have friends who got hit with $18k bills for fuel system problems. $7k for electrical, etc. The first 90 days doesn't worry me much at all because the bumper to bumper warranty is in place. My worry is the long-term cost of ownership.

My brother in law almost set my dad's garage on fire, simply by charging it. Doh.

I have to say that Shannon’s have and are the best insurance company in my 31 years of driving all over the world that I’ve ever had. I seriously can’t fault them, ….well done Shannon’s. I feel relaxed on the road thanks to you.

@kallekas8551

10 күн бұрын

Agreed!!! They are BRILLIANT!👍

Who fixes EVs apart from the stealers?

@elvisfranca4759

10 күн бұрын

Electrified garage. Rich is your guy!

I'm waiting for the thermonuclear powered car to arrive very soon. I think it's called the "Duttomboler Detonator".

Im fully onboard with EVs as city vehicles, the reduction in exhaust emissions and noise is great, I just wish they had more traditional "manual" elements to them such as gear selection knobs that arent a dicky turn dial or screen functions. If Hyundai can make a really solid EV or hybrid why cant these other manufacturers? Insane the reliability issues for annoying faults.

@benhardless4186

9 күн бұрын

BYD Seal has manual controls like gear shifter and indicators etc. Great car.

VAG are evil, but I have to give it to Porsche (apart from the IMS bearing debacle), the 911 is an epic all round car. You can track them, targa them and then drive home. The new GTS part hybrid may be interesting to watch and see how it goes.

Initial quality is not as important as long term as it’s still under warranty. First 90 days only tells the assembly quality.

@mellarner8253

10 күн бұрын

The big concern here is that a warranty is only useful if the manufacturer does not go bust, no manufacturer, no warranty unless it is a third party insurance backed one. Some will inevitably go under, EV and ICE.

@kirkbrooks2016

10 күн бұрын

Yeah. Also would be nice to breakdown the severity of these. Like cosmetic issues, minor issues vs having to get the vehicle towed for a defect. All are important, but would be good to know which are having major issues.

@errolmcdufffork9834

9 күн бұрын

"First 90 days only tells the assembly quality"????? Why ever would you think build quality and quality control are only significant for the first 3 months? If the manufacturer doesn't attend to build quality what makes you think they will invest in high quality materials and engineering? Cheap is cheap. If you think build quality and QC doesn't matter, check out the KZreads on Cherys' rear axles falling off because of very avoidable shit welding.

JD Power 3 year: Lexus 135 Toyota 147 Tesla 252 (near bottom) Land Rover 268 (almost the worst) Chrysler 310 (the worst)

I suggest in general electric motors are more reliable than combustion engines, but in EVs they are enclosed with no maintenance, this is probably because it will add cost to ownership dealer training etc. Most batteries in EVs are made for the whole thing to fail and replace no modularity in most cases. as the car itself EVs proposition of no buttons and more computer logic to cost cuts leads to people not been able to get out of the car. So maybe the initial proposition of EV making was feasible but was implemented in a bad model, as in, get it quickly out of the line and reduce cost. Unfortunately this Tesla model was copied across the industry.

@Thargelios

9 күн бұрын

"Most batteries in EVs are made for the whole thing to fail and replace no modularity in most cases" No they aren't.

WTF? Hyundai, Chevrolet, and RAM all ranked WAY ABOVE Honda and Toyota? Smelling BS Here

@nearlypastit2385

7 күн бұрын

@sean, As I've remarked to an earlier comment, by my personal experience the JD POWER survey questions were based on owners 'expectations' (questions were, don't know about nowadays). I would expect to be giving a higher mark out of ten to a car classed as a 'luxury' brand (e.g BMW etc) compared to a Chevy of Hyundai. Compared to 'expectations' the luxury brand would get an overall lower mark out of ten for an issue than the same fault in the budget brand. Consequently, generally the different brands suffer a 'marking' bias.

Ram... goldbar??? I.m.o. more Toyota / Suzuki should have gold bars... And Lexus as gold-premium brand. No Suzuki??? I always thought THEY were the best 🙂

You forgot to add all the links in any of the chains or the balls on every ball bearing. That would be far more possible failure points in a combustion engine. Add to that the hundreds of sensors and all the wiring and connectors exposed to heat, vibration and fuel that are needed to run an engine.

Chinese cars holding onto the title of TOFU DREG

Does this survey distinguish between "Car play disconnected" and "car was missing crankshaft bearing" ?

@jordanpanasuk7513

10 күн бұрын

No. It also doesn't distinguish between "Dead cell, replace entire battery", or a "fuel cap loose" evap code either.

@zwerko

10 күн бұрын

Yes, the criteria is any fault that would require you to visit a service center or that you cannot permanently resolve on your own.

@omeryehezkely3096

10 күн бұрын

It also concentrates on the time period when your car is under warranty.

@GraemeHart8888

10 күн бұрын

@@GetOffMyyLawn no, it's any fault that requires a service visit, no matter how minor.

@george2916

8 күн бұрын

Lol. Wasting precious time at the service centre over multiple piddling little annoyances ain't really the gotcha you think it is.

Putting all EV's in the same basket is like putting all gas powered cars in the same basket. This is dumb.

@jimmybe64

9 күн бұрын

Yes, they all are very unreliable but some are extremely bad.

@rp9674

9 күн бұрын

Desperate disinformation, rationalizing EV haters

@gdubyadubya8961

2 күн бұрын

@@rp9674desperate denial much?

@rp9674

2 күн бұрын

If they really wanted to know about EVS, they could ask someone who owns one, not a bunch of BS they heard from someone who heard something on the Internet

I've owned an EV for a bit more than a year, and I've already spent over 26 dollars on window washer fluid. With spending like this, I'll be broke in about 100 years. The costs are astonishing! Damn!

Yeah... there are a lot of things on newer cars that people don't understand that absolutely imlact reliability. That needs to be fixed - and it will. But the size of the icon on the monitor is not a reliability issue. No indicator going on - that would be an issue. So unreliable... I think a better situation would involve monitoring the time it takes to correct safety-critical items, and the number of vehicls with these items. I think this is done... If you are talking about a traditional Demming Way/TQM manufacturing process it will take months to years. Someone like Tesla can turn fixes around in hours and deploy them with a software update in days. Because they break the TQM rules with continuous automation. I think mostly what we are seeing is that new features are included in EVs, and they are not consistent. If you wanted to track reliability properly you would say all cars without this feature failed (0 out of points). Face it - you should be highlighting the fact that the feature is available before you begin to track failure rates

What the chart really shows is that US manufacturers and dealers are happy to supply poor quality to their customers. This doesn't surprise me. Back in around 1980 a colleague was sent to the US end of our company. He was issued a company vehicle and the guy in charge of the car fleet said "Sorry, all I've got left is Fords." "Is that a problem?" "Are you an engineer?" "Yes". "Buy yourself a socket set and some wrenches and do stuff up over the weekend, OK?" He claimed to have found over 200 nuts and screws not correctly tightened including almost all the wheel nuts. Apparently GM wasn't much better, but the wheels tended not to fall off.

@wolfie54321

10 күн бұрын

What are you talking about? The highest ranked cars on this list are Ram and Chevy, while Ford and Buick are top 10. It's mainly European cars that are at the bottom of the list. That said, I trust JD Power about as far as I can throw them, and this is an American list so even though some of those cars are available in other countries, chances are they won't be made in the same factory as the American ones.

@Turnipstalk

10 күн бұрын

@@wolfie54321 You need to compare those results with J D Power Europe. A Honda made in Japan is *not* the same as a Honda made in America even if the model name is the same. (Incidentally and for clarity, "America" includes Mexico and Canada.)

Electric utopia has short circuited.

I would be interested to see the breakdown of faults into a number of categories, those that are common to all vehicles irrespective of power train, those only applicable to EVs, those only applicable to petrol engine vehicles, those only applicable to diesel engine vehicles. I have recently owned two JLR vehicles in succession, the first with a diesel engine the second being a BEV. The BEV having had more faults, but these were on items that would be common to both vehicles! 2 door handles and one filler cap release on the EV, vs no faults on the diesel, both vehicles owned from delivery milage to about 40,000 miles. The retractable door handles (visibly the same on both cars) are what gets me, I probably operated them about the same number of times (neither failure was to the drivers door) whereas the EV fuel flap is definitely used more often at about once per day vs once per week.

Hmm they were initially sold as more reliable due to less moving parts.

For personal transport and don't want to contribute to global warming; ride a bicycle.

@xpusostomos

10 күн бұрын

You do realise that all that heavy breathing contains carbon right?

@yulusleonard985

10 күн бұрын

lol fart contribute more to global warming. you should eat and use less energy, try E-bike.

@TheKnobCalledTone.

10 күн бұрын

Yep, and as a cyclist one can be just as much of an insufferable prick as an EV driver at a fraction of the cost.

@hudsonbear5038

10 күн бұрын

With all the gas that comes out of both ends of you, you are just as polluting as the average car lol..

@zwerko

10 күн бұрын

@@xpusostomos Well, an electric bike with thin tires and charged on 'green' electricity is arguably the most CO2-efficient mode of people transportation, including walking.

Gday John I have a question. When it comes to reliability, EV enthusiasts always compare the the battery of the EV to the ICE of non EVs, I think that's wrong. So do you know how long an electric motor lasts round a bout that is, also how much to repair or replace. Thanks you.

@philiphumphrey1548

10 күн бұрын

Electric motors are relatively simple with few moving parts. They should( in theory) be long life and relatively easy and cheap to replace if they do fail. Unless the car manufacturers deliberately design it otherwise (which they undoubtedly will do). Most things on a modern car seems to be purposely made to be extremely labour intensive and costly to replace.

@johnwade1095

10 күн бұрын

@@philiphumphrey1548 It seems EV battery packs are danged near impossible to replace economically.

@davidbrayshaw3529

10 күн бұрын

Motors are incredibly reliable. You've owned enough batteries to know how they work. Aside from that, there's the variable frequency inverter. Inverters have been known to fail. The rest of an EV is car, and cars are %h!t.

@xpusostomos

10 күн бұрын

Because the battery and engine EV/ICE respectively are the most expensive parts and most likely to fail.

@davidbrayshaw3529

10 күн бұрын

@@xpusostomos When was the last time you experienced a major failure in an ICE vehicle?

A Hybrid vehicle is an ICE vehicle with an electric motor tacked on. Not the other way around.

No one will acknowledge that Mini have been ranked between at 8-11 for the last 5 years on JD Power. Above Ford, Mitsubishi and Toyota. My wife is driving her 6th Mini since 2003 and we have had one major fault in all that time, fixed quickly under warranty- stretched timing chain which affected a certain batch of 2010 Mini Cooper S. Heard a slight noise on start up which lasted 30 seconds. 3 days later car returned and fixed for free with a Cooper S loan car for the duration. One cracked intake manifold and an air con water leak the only other two issues over 21 years. She did 145,000 kms in the 2018 Countryman and quite high kms in all vehicles. And we have 2 kms of gravel road to get to our place in SE Queensland where we have lived for 25 years. Brilliant cars.

Been hesitant to get solar as I fear there will be leaking and broken roof tiles after the process.

@nicko97097

10 күн бұрын

Solar installs come with parts and workmanship warranties, my installers replaced any tile they broke and if there was a leak ect they’d come and fix it.

@seanworkman431

10 күн бұрын

and a hail storm.

@marklittle3551

10 күн бұрын

@@nicko97097 fairenough

@marklittle3551

10 күн бұрын

@@seanworkman431 Where I live there are a lot of newcar storage facilities because of the low incidence of hail in my area so they say.

@shanerobertson6267

10 күн бұрын

@@seanworkman4312012 waited a year for 300w premium sun power German panels ( most panels were 175w) as I didn’t have much roof facing north. Year later hail damaged them. Only 5-6 cells each but yeah still stuffed. Had to argue withNRMA for like for like replacement- the wanted Chinese crap.

I had to take my new [petrol powered] Toyota back to the dealer in the first week - to pick up the number plates.

@fanman4230

10 күн бұрын

That would be illegal in most countries. 🚓

@EntropyExists

10 күн бұрын

When I got my new Soul, they mailed the tags to me. California here.

These crap crates are simply too expensive for just one thing how in the name of any reason can the average person here in Australia afford one except for those north shore dwellers and money soaked cretins. This whole net zero has stirred up a hornets nest of ridiculous and frankly dangerous "technology" which is doomed to fail.

initial quality is not the whole story, but its important.

How much did Ram pay??? I call BS

@JasonISF

10 күн бұрын

Yep Rams are the new penis extension mobile here in Australia

@zwerko

10 күн бұрын

They sold only 5 vehicles and made sure that at least 2 of those came out properly bolted. Easy to keep good reliability with low sales...

@johnd8892

9 күн бұрын

​@@zwerkoA US JD Power survey , so would expect plenty of RAMs sampled.

With many EV brands I think you're more of a beta tester than an owner. Also bravo Polestar marketing kids for convincing mug punters the brand has the Magical Euro Aura of Mystical Prestige when it's Chinese 😂

So I haven't dug into the details but without a doubt these EVs are now released with software bugs that can be corrected by never going into the dealership. That certainly accounts for part of it but its undeniable that an EV is a simpler car mechanically then ICE and is more reliable

@jamesp5301

10 күн бұрын

It doesn't mean that EVs don't have a ways to go to address some legitimate concerns. The Blazer EV release was a dumpster fire for GM and the Cybertruck seems to not be up to Tesla standards

It was a well known fact anyway, only question left unanswered was who's taking the No:1 spot as from the reviews of every brand of EVs I know none are at the 2nd spot for "unreliability". All fighting for the pole position.

Who'd be dumb enough to buy an EV?....Seriously

@davidnobular9220

10 күн бұрын

Lefteis. Do-gooders. Greenies. Planet Saving Virtue Signallers. Some Govt IT contractors.

@Ozcrazy49

10 күн бұрын

Chris Bowen.

I wish EV makers stop making EV's like teenage wet dreams and actually make models for grown up men. No stupid bells and whistles. Good comfort, real buttons, focus on range, quick charging and maximum efficiency is all we want.

@mongo64071

10 күн бұрын

The manufacturers need to justify the huge price tags.

@edouglasroche

10 күн бұрын

The ironic part is for the average person, not first adopter, and easy to use cheap daily commuter is the most useful type of EV for them. All the extra technology just makes it harder to use for them and drives up the price. But all these EV companies are so busy trying to copy Tesla, they don’t see it.

@edouglasroche

10 күн бұрын

Not any more actually, EVs when compared to similar quality gas cars are actually similar price. There is not cheap segment which makes the average higher and is desperately needed as well.

@zoltrix7779

8 күн бұрын

@@edouglasroche So weird, considering the technology is no more advanced than a $300 android phone.

@lenimbery7038

8 күн бұрын

Quite happy with the lack of extraneous buttons on my Tesla thanks

I do recall a certain KZreadr stating they would buy a Burn Your Dreams Ute , looking forward to that relationship 😂

Can we just take a minute to acknowledge the fact that (in america) the industry std is still almost 2 faults PER CAR for new cars, and that's just the reported ones

John is shilling solar power with lithium ion battery storage at home??? WTF??? So lithium batteries in EVs are a explosion/fire/toxic gas hazard but a bank of lithium batteries installed in your home are not?

@LesNewell

10 күн бұрын

Most electric cars use lithium ion, the battery equivalent of a box of fireworks. Most home systems (excluding Tesla) use LiFePo4 batteries, which can burn but you have to try pretty hard to make them go up.

@stusue9733

10 күн бұрын

"installed in your home" Pretty sure you'll find he never said that.

@jimjones-pz1tt

10 күн бұрын

@@stusue9733 If you have solar panels on your home, where do you install your storage batteries, down the effin' street? My priest keeps telling me God is infallible. I disagree. He should have made ignorance and stupidity painful.

@stusue9733

10 күн бұрын

@@jimjones-pz1tt Here let me make it easier for you. "in" Clear? One wonders why you would want to live in pain?

@jimjones-pz1tt

10 күн бұрын

@@stusue9733 Most solar storage battery systems are installed INSIDE buildings or INSIDE attached garages. Google "solar battery storage installations," select images and tell me what percentage are inside buildings and what percentage are attached to the outside walls of buildings.

Guys dont be br@1n w@shed by these stats because severity of the problem is important, for example i would rather have a window regulator failure than a wet belt failure destroying the whole engine.

@ScottMurrayBestFamilyCars

10 күн бұрын

Okay, so when we talk about the severity of EV fires being worse than ICE fires, you're cool with that? Just clarifying...

@user-yh6xf3wl1h

10 күн бұрын

What, like £2800 for a 12 volt battery if you leave it parked for a couple of weeks while you are on holiday!

Rooftop solar ? I just got a letter from my electricity provider advising my feed-in tariff is going DOWN due to over-supply and lack of demand. This in the middle of a Canberra winter where the last few nights have been less than -2 degrees.

@erroneouscode

10 күн бұрын

The other shoe is finally dropping.

Hi John, I am a captain in a NSW bush fire brigade. I am waiting for some tourist in an EV from Sydney or Newcastle to have an adventure in our Mid North Coast wonderland and take a dump and have to ask my young team to fight the fire. Our tankers only have 1300 lts of water ("Cat 7", no brine or heat exchanges Ha! Ha!). The roads are small and lined with dense scrub. We don't carry SCBA so we will die shortly after arriving or the incident will shortly become a bush fire. We are fucked and my training now revolves around EV's and how to contain a fire and not die and trying to get SCBA. Keep them in the city where they can can do less damage and can afford the best ways to fight the fires. Also thank you for the discount on the Vevor products (3) I'll give them a go and see how they work. I do like your show and you deserved a subscribe etc.

@miekehill9452

Күн бұрын

@@wildcolonialboy1070 Thanks for the advice, I’d better remove that Army experimental 60kW roof mounted laser from my EV when driving through your fire zone. 😜

If you read the report, the problem has nothing to do with the fact that they're electric vehicles and everything to do with the fact that they're filling them with bells and whistles (which are prone to failure) to try and make them seem "premium".

@tjroelsma

10 күн бұрын

What does that take away from the conclusion that the overall quality of EV's is terrible? If Honda or any other car manufacturer sells an ICE powered car that has consistent problems with the electric windows, that's a lack of quality as well. The same goes for EV's, whether you like it or not.

@DreDresChapters

10 күн бұрын

This dude will yap about anything EV

@batmanlives6456

10 күн бұрын

They’re golf carts …. Anything to disguise the fact , they’ll bolt on !!!

@JackOfski

10 күн бұрын

@@DreDresChapters well the downsides of EVs are endless.

@DreDresChapters

10 күн бұрын

@@JackOfski & the accidental Whoopies of oops we just burned 137 billion gallons of gasoline annually is all the same🤣 Let me know the next time you get a lithium spill in the ocean, I’ll go pick it up

Hello

I realise that one should never argue from the particular to the general, but I owned an elderly Lexus with over 100K miles under its belt on purchase for over three years. Everything worked as though it had just rolled off the production line. Despite having done nearly 140K miles when I sold it, there were no squeaks, or rattles, and it felt as serene as a mobile cathedral. It was much more reliable than any other car I have owned.

I have been in IT for 32 years. Worked for several of the top ten global software vendors. Any modern vehicle in the last 10-15 yrs is a Software Defined Vehicle, no longer to the enjoyment of the user. But a cash cow to the manufacturer for any upgrades or repair. It is a highly priced disposable item that gets traded in before all the electronics start to go.

Rooftop solar charges your EV over night - albo sleazy

@batmanlives6456

10 күн бұрын

Magic fairy stuff !!!

@Sparky_D

10 күн бұрын

As long as you put a 6kW flood light on your roof, plugged into the neighbours power point.

The EVangelist cope here in the comments is so strong I'm worried about overdoses.

The J D Power study key findings include: frustrations arising from false warnings, problems with Android Auto and Apple CarPlay, problems with features/controls/displays, and unpleasant odours, particularly from the HVAC. Hardly a broad indictment of the fundamental concept of EVs, but certainly issues that might be more evident in EVs, and in some ICEVs that have been designed to follow the EV "digitalisation" trend, than in traditionally designed ICE vehicles.

I miss my old 1981 three prong 300TD. I used to run it on a mix of diesel and used engine oil. Driving to work to Roma and Breck every two weeks followed by a cloud of blue smoke. Fantastic

Maybe I just put my tin foil hat on today, but doing a quick Google search I found JD Power’s parent company is Thoma Bravo. Thoma Bravo made a purchase of a software company called Aucerna in 2019. Aucerna is a company that offers reserves valuation and reporting software to Canadian oil and gas producers This is the same year Thoma Bravo purchased JD Power. Thoma Bravo now owns the two largest oil and gas reserves software businesses in Canada. Now I’m no business expert but if I wanted my oil and gas software company to make money I may want to use my other companies to influence peoples purchasing habits in my favour? Again this was 5mins of googling and maybe clutching at a few too many straws.

@Patrick-857

10 күн бұрын

Facts are facts, regardless of the source or who benefits. Can you dispute the data presented? EVs aren't reliable, we already knew this. My brother encountered a Tesla in the wild last week that randomly decided it wouldn't open. This required a car transporter, as it cannot be towed, and nobody local can fix it.

@ts757arse

10 күн бұрын

I strongly suspect that the data is skewed by Tesla. A consumer magazine in the UK known for independence does a regular car reliability survey and Tesla ranks lowest every year.

@jonathanshaw-brown1894

10 күн бұрын

@@Patrick-857Facts are not facts unless they come from a completely unbiased source. I’m not saying Teslas are squeaky clean. I’m just suggesting that there could be incentives to seek out certain unreliability issues that skews the facts in favour of one type of vehicle such as ICE vehicles. Statistics can tell us whatever the researcher wants us to hear depending on how this research is done. Especially when the company doing the research may have benefitted from one particular outcome over another.

@jonathanshaw-brown1894

10 күн бұрын

@@ts757arseDo you mean skewed in Murica and not in the UK? Fair point if Musk is also manipulating stats in his area.

@ts757arse

10 күн бұрын

@@jonathanshaw-brown1894 I mean skewed as in Tesla being unreliable brings down EV reliability stats in general. I'll be more interested when the established manufacturers have got a few years of data on relatively mature platforms.

Honestly surprised that Ram was most reliable.

@xpusostomos

10 күн бұрын

Simple truck with massive diesel from Cummins, should be reliable

@jasonmcintosh3448

10 күн бұрын

Mazda bad on that list i noted, Mazda fine in my garage 🙃

@mnkybndit

9 күн бұрын

​@@xpusostomosMakes sense. I'm sure those engines are great. Knowing Ram was owned by Stellantis was my biggest concern.

@xpusostomos

9 күн бұрын

@@mnkybndit I thought it was part of GM , or did I get it wrong

Depends on faults you’re measuring- this is due to manufacturers rather than the technology. For example, this will include issues like lock problems, traction system problems etc (based on my LR Discovery 2 disaster 😅)

1.49 faults per car in the first 90 days seems like a huge number. Admittedly I have only bought 2 new cars and 2 new bikes but none have had to go back to the dealer for anything other than servicing. Granted all were petrol but the Honda is now 8 years old.

The truth is the so called ev reliability is about warning chimes and entertainment systems. Imagine if we rated petrol and diesel cars on check engine lights.

@Noah_E

10 күн бұрын

They are rated using the same scale and methodology. What's your point, if there was one?

@EntropyExists

10 күн бұрын

In California, check engine light is the kiss of death for older vehicles. CARB got some big teeth.

@MikeJones-mz5ig

10 күн бұрын

​@@Noah_Eobviously drivers not understanding warning chimes doesn't reflect reliability.

Elon Musk a Billionaire John Cadogan, not a billionaire, and you are right EVs are shitboxes.

@wideyxyz2271

10 күн бұрын

Nope, don't get your point. Money doesn't mean better, dude !

@ColinMill1

10 күн бұрын

Messrs Ponzi and Savundra were also very wealthy.

7:40 - ensuring higher dealership provided service visits is part of the game, however. They want to ensure you can ONLY come to them for service, to ensure they are always making money off their customers forever.

I would be interested in these results if it was actually about the reliability of your car, getting you from A to B, unfortunatly it isn't.