I always appreciate your fair and honest take on all things coffee. I've enjoyed mine over the last month and it's good to know that although mine came missing the bellows out of the box, I'm not missing much.

That focus pull with switch of grinder ❤ I have the old smaller Eureka Mignon 2017 version, and I removed the hopper, and instead have a single dose setup. A wood block and a metal pipe, which just fit one dose. To prevent "pop corning" I always put my little shot glass on top of the metal pipe when grinding. Anyway, with the removal of all plastic hopper parts and cumbersome metal gate/valve, almost all problem with static fines, and chaff disappeared !

I am in the market for a new grinder and was thinking either a Niche, Eureka or Ceado E5SD. Then my favourite coffee content creator suddenly creates a comparison video, what perfect timing! Thanks for your videos, they are really appreciated and I look forward to them every week!

I love my Eureka, it is amazing. I have never had such consistent shots!! Perfect

These last few videos have had mega good lighting and video quality. Whatever you changed, it's not going unnoticed

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad you think so. I’ve been filming in 4K for awhile now, it’s slowly killing my laptop haha. And lighting wise, it’s always a struggle, I always feel like it’s too dark through the camera, but it seems to be ideal once on a larger screen.

Thanks mate! Really nice review.

I agree with you about bellows on expensive grinders, feels like a hack rather than a decent solution to a design flaw.

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think that’s a good point. I mean, it is tough to get near zero retention, but not impossible. Just slap a bellows on it and we’re good to go.

@panad0r

2 жыл бұрын

This exactly. If I spend this much on a grinder, I want it to be well designed, worked out. A bellows just makes it seem that they couldn't get it working any other way. Niche managed it years ago and it's disappointing that no other similarly-priced grinder managed to replicate this feat even now. I'm looking to upgrade to a Niche, unless I decide to "skip" the Niche and go straight to even higher priced grinders like the P64 or maybe the upcoming Acaia Orbit. Neither of which uses freaking bellows.

@nolanchan8288

Жыл бұрын

@@panad0r I'm looking at a P64 myself but these wait times are killer 😞

@Abdullah-cj2mh

5 ай бұрын

That’s the thing about the Eureka. They make great grinders but suddenly once the price becomes as high as the Oro it’s not worth it anymore. I bought a Mignon Zero (Basically a Specialita without the touch screen) and I think it’s absolutely worth the $340 I paid for, but $800 for the Oro??? Seriously??

I also hate the look of bellows on top of grinders. I'm glad you mentioned that 😆

Nearly 100k subs.. nice.. well deserved for a long time.

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Edging closer every day! Thank you my friend!

Great review!

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend. Thanks for watching!

Thank you - this was helpful. Trying to find a home grinder at the moment to replace the wilfa uniform and torn between, niche, eurika and the excessive lagom p64….

In the EU, the Mignon is about $200 cheaper all costs and taxes includes and it's also comes with a 3 year EU warranty from a reputable company. NZ warranty is next to impossible to enforce outside the UK and at the end of the day is a one-man operation. Given that the price situation is the opposite for you, what would you recommend to a EU buyer? Would honestly really appreciate your input.

TBH that small grinder, Niche Zero, is an one hell of a grinder. It is the epitome of the product that nails the customer's needs.

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

You know it really is. I’ve been very happy with it over the last two years now.

@raymondt7237

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus I think the Weber Key will be the next big player in grinders, only the price possibly keeps the Niche top pick.

@petervansan1054

2 жыл бұрын

except niche as company is scum that forces you to pay 20% extra if you are not UK resident

@Timberjagi

2 жыл бұрын

@@petervansan1054 it's not the company, its your goverment ;). The only thing i don't understand of them why not ship it directly from China in stead of the UK (Maybe they changed it nowadays but when i recieved mine it was just dissapointing)

@petervansan1054

2 жыл бұрын

@@Timberjagi No, why do people get this wrong? WHEN YOU EXPORT from UK you do not add VAT. Niche keeps price the same, so you pay extra 80 pounds. Even if you have no VAT yourself you still paid 500 pounds for something that niche priced at 420 pounds.

Watching Kyle’s video, I’ve concluded the Mignon single dose falls prey to the same issue as the Notte that I have, as you put it with the inconsistent outputs. I get that with my Notte with a single dose hopper and bellow. The clump guard seems to be the culprit. And, my solution has been to stick a brush up the chute and give a few bumps on the guard and a few puffs from the bellows again. Now I’m consistently having 0.1g or less retention each time

Keep in mind … this comparison is the Niche Zero vs Eureka Mignon Oro Single Dose grinder (there is also a $499 Eureka model called the Mignon Zero).

I have one of these. It's great. Granted,t he adjustment dial was pretty confusing to find zero in the first place, but once I got it, it's easy enough to adjust. I only use it for espresso so it's not a big problem. And it grinds beautifully. So far, I get literally zero retention. I thought the bellows wasn't working, but there just weren't any grounds left inside- the output weighs as much as the input.

I have a silenzio modded for single dose and bellows. Literally half the price with basically the same performance.

@popcornplayer28

2 жыл бұрын

How do you mod for single dose. I have just purchased the silenzio.

@mtb27

2 жыл бұрын

Hows much retention do you get? is is consistent or not?

I agree with your nitpicking points! But the turn dial is a huge one for me. I switch between espresso and pour overs pretty much daily and between 2-3 coffees. The NZ turn dial is lifesaver. It’s a shame it hasn’t been living up to the hype yet in the reviews. Any idea how the eureka compares to the new baratza w+?

Right on the spot!

My Eureka Mignon Oro Single Dose Grinder was that noisy and vibrated so much I had to send it back to the Dealer after 3 weeks of use. I believe this is a major design flaw in this Grinder and Eureka should have a recall on them and sort this problem out. Also I found the rubber bellows get softer after the 3 week period I had it to a point where it just fell off the plastic hopper when you touched it or removed and refitted the cheaply made wooden lid. Also had a lot of static even though I was advised by the Eureka Dealer not to RDT the beans. Also found the retention quantity very hit and miss like you mentioned. This Grinder definitely doesn't meet the 'Oro' badge.

I own a Mignon XL. If I was single dosing, I'd still easily, easily choose the Niche. If I was Eureka I would've simply marketed that single dosing isn't the only way to grind or even the best way and battled it out that way.

I've only had my personal Niche for a short time, but the one we have at work for decaf/one-off espresso has been with us for 2 years now, and it has remained shockingly consistent, even through multiple cleanings and many, many rushes. On Fridays my cafe has open mic night, so it's been important to have a relatively quiet grinder. Before the Niche, we had a Baratza Sette and that thing drove me batshit with how awful sounding it was, never mind how loud.

Thanks for your efforts and for sharing your experience. Have you tried using the bellows with the burs in motion? Is it more consistent with low retention when doing so or is that what you were doing during the test. BTW your ITA pronunciation during this vid was perfect … lol. Belated HNY to you!

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Hey you’re welcome, and thanks for watching. Yeah I ran it both ways, I found it inconsistent all the way around, though more grinds came out when grinding coarser, but often it would be the retained grinds from the last batch on top of what I put in. I mean, in the end 0-.5grams isn’t terrible, especially when compared to most grinders before the single dosing era, but compared to the Niche I just falls short. Haha and thank you, I actually double checked the pronunciation before I filmed just to be sure. Thanks again for watching and for great comment.

You have to close the metal lid before pushing from the top to get the whole retention out. By doing so, I have always a retetntion that is limited to 0.2 grams. Without the lid closed the air can escape through the lid opening.

Have used the Eureka Specialita dedicated to my LMLM. Am very happy with its performance as an espresso grinder and can see no reason to switch.

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

I think it works fine as either, but not great at switching. It’s best suited to just one brew method.

@quaxenleaf

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus I agree completely. Why Eureka doesn’t make a better adjustment is beyond me. It works fine for dialing around a specific grind, but to switch between espresso and say drip requires the user to keep track of the dial’s revolutions which overly complicates the process. This line of Eureka’s grinders would be better marketed as espresso only. You do a great job with your variety of content. One question: do you still use the Bplus puck screen or have you given up on it? I used it for several months, but have set it aside to have one less step. I loved how it kept the dispersion screen and group head clean, but I’m very conscientious of keeping the LM clean anyway. I think it made the extractions more consistent, but am back trying to use the LM as it was originally designed.

Thank you.

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Of course, thanks for watching my friend!

Whenever they try to make (niche zero) like grinder it always be higher on price and mostly not friendly in use or hard on clean too Thanks alot for your hard work on your video .. keep it up

I'm currently ready to push the button on a grinder upgrade from my Sage/Breville dose control pro. I'm leaning toward the Eureka Mignon Specialita which in the UK is about £400 both the Niche zero and the Mignon single dose are about £500 here in the UK and have quite a wait with them. At present I don't single dose and I'm fairly lazy so don't know if it's something I'd enjoy. In your opinion do you think the Specialita is a solid choice for me and is there an alternative option you'd recommend? Thanks in advance for you input

Sound pressure in dB (A) is usually measured in a free field, where no reflections whatsoever occur. In many cases the measuring distance is 1 m from the source. This might explain the much higher noise pressure in your room. I'd be geniunely curious what results you'd get if you test it e. g. in your garden or something like that.

@jurcsi

2 жыл бұрын

still, the Niche is more quiet head to head with the Single dose. and by the way, the Eureka specialita is also more quiet than the Single dose (about the same as the Niche) but having said that, owning the Single dose for a month now, I don't have problems with its loudness.

@angusfraser8543

2 жыл бұрын

All else being equal between grinders, his measurements should still be an indication of which is better.

@Zarazkowy

2 жыл бұрын

Also, more important, I recommend stop using these apps as a refer point.

Wow I’m glad I found this review. I’m looking for an upgrade from my baratza sette 30 because it’s too loud and that decibel reading you had was reaching 90 decibel? My setter 30 is just around 85 decibel using the same app. Very interesting.

@BensCoffeeRants

2 жыл бұрын

Different phones with different mics will probably affect the results as well, those aren't really so accurate. From what I've heard the Sette is super loud, I haven't heard them in person, but I think the Oro SD is PRETTY Loud, definitely louder than it should be when they claim it's 'quiet'. The Specialita I had was much quieter, Niche Zero also much quieter.

@plorwax

2 жыл бұрын

@@BensCoffeeRants You’re right. I definitely want something more quiet. How do you like the niche zero over the specialita? Is it worth the extra money? Specialita is actually more appealing to me than the oro right now unless they fix the vibration and noise issues.

@BensCoffeeRants

2 жыл бұрын

@@plorwax I think you'll be happy with either. Niche or Specialita. They're both about the same loudness maybe Niche is a bit quieter. Niche is easier to switch between brew methods but both are best performing in espresso range really.

Thank yo for the review. I am considering the Minon, and have been looking for a Pros/Cons review. I knew that you would deliver. I also agree - I think the bellows is a hideous waste.

Hey love the videos! Could you compare the nice to the baratza sette?

If you order the mignon from italy directly it is about a 90USD cheaper than the niche and I believe the availability issues are more to do with vendors and not output. I got a Eureka Mignon Specialista bc I do not plan on switching beans or brew methods in between bags so I enjoy the hopper. And I never drink straight espresso so I dont get the benefit of the increased texture from the conical burrs.

Your end comments about conical and flat is exactly the same as my opinion: I do Niche for espresso and Ode/SSP for filter. Of course I could do either with either, but as I can, I do.

no one's gonna make a niche killer until they perfectly remake the niche with less supply problems

Could you clarify your view on the difference between flat and conical burrs. You seem to be giving the exact opposite descriptions here and your earlier video on flats vs. conical. Which do you believe deliver more of the deeper chocolatey notes, and which bring out more of the brighter acidic notes?

Look wise eureka is much better. Also, espresso lovers will love wider range of adjustments in eureka. 65mm burr size is steal at eureka price. I have rancilio whose adjustments falls short for espresso (just 2 clicks) and niche seems similar. I had to buy rocket faucito that is similar to eureka in adjustments but with 50mm burr and cost me more than eureka. Also, seems like you got flat burr vs conical other way round. Everyone agrees that flat is for espresso and conical for pour over.

@bogdanadzic9305

11 ай бұрын

Bigger flat burrs are better than conical

How's cleaning the Mignon? I love how easy cleaning is with the Niche.

Time stamps … thank you!

I had both. Italian made I chose all day. Much easier to clean and taste and dialing in not hard if you used a manual grinder. It’s good you show pour over. Many others can’t seem to get that right or might just try to come across an expert.

From my experience, owning both grinders, honestly I can't decide which I like more for espresso. Eureka SD is simply, for me, the best looking SD grinder in the price range, which is subjective of course. On the other hand, NZ is so so so easy to use and I kinda can sometimes feel the physical need to push the switch and listen the grinding. I tried both grinders for V60 but from my taste preference, they are far away in a bad direction when compared with Comandante or other good manual grinders or some other expensive big flat burrs in specialty coffee shops grinders.

I love my niche as much as the next knit picker 😀

Just unboxed my Niche Zero and had our 1st shots. Noticeable difference to my Breville Barista Express grinder!! I did not expect that. Grind Look and coffee taste. In Canada so not cheap. With shipping and customs. I’ve a $1000 CAD. Yikes. I was tempted to get the Niche Duo. But $2000 CAD or there abouts. It is quiet. Looks great. Easy to use. Very sexy But $1000+!!!!!! Ah well. You can’t take it with you. Lol The grinder or the $$😊

I have a Filtro, and it has even smaller adjustments. I really don't see this as an issue. It's literally one turn to go from espresso to filter on it. And with such a small knob, it's easy to do. Previous grinders have had Niche or DF64 style adjustments, so I was a bit worried when I got the Filtro because of all the hubbubb on the internet about it. After a year... it's really not an issue. Not even an issue to *overlook* imo. And you should have seen the adjustments on my Ascaso I had a couple of years ago. Espresso range over three turns. That said, I think this iteration of the Oro is too expensive.

are you using your phone to measure the sound pressure (and if so, expecting a similar result as the advertised value) ?

Interesting review! My Eureka Mignon Single Dose is making too much fine particles. Not sure if that is normal but filter coffee grinding is impossible, filter gets clogged in seconds.

You didn't compare their retention! I'd really like to see a comparison video of that.

The thing that bugged me most about my Oro SD is that it comes with the bellows, but mine always was clogged up, the bellows didn't work, apparently they may be coming out with a fix for that. It's also a lot louder than the Specialita, which was relatively quiet, I thought higher end Eurekas are generally MORE quiet. Eureka Atom series has a ridiculous 800w motor and it's super quiet. I think if you want a Flat Burr Niche Zero, the Lagom P64 IS that, it's a lot more expensive though. The budget option of course is the P64's knock-off the DF64, which is a great for the price. The Niche in Canada is about the same Price as the Oro SD, I'd take the Niche for sure.

@bogdanadzic9305

11 ай бұрын

Did u compare atom with sd eureka i cant decide which one to get lol

@BensCoffeeRants

11 ай бұрын

@@bogdanadzic9305 never had them both at the same time but I remember the taste profile being similar but oro SD is much better for retention. 2nd edition is better than the first but bellows doesn't seem to work.

I appreciate your straightforward reviews. Love and peace. Tim

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tim, I appreciate the kind words!

I wonder if the bellow works better with the motor running.

Have u had a problem with the niche needing calibration after grinding espresso then filter, then going back to espresso range ?

good and honest review, thanks! That Oro is kind of a lie

I've owned my Niche Zero for about 2 years. I think it's quite astonishing that an inventor like Martin Nicholson saw a need in the coffee market for a single-dose grinder--a need apparently overlooked by almost everyone else. Then he goes on to design and bring to market a game-changing grinder. I'm amazed at how solid and well-built my NZ is. No skimping on any of the materials, as far as I can see. The NZ results in a great espresso. Also, it's very easy to clean and calibrate. I think the high quality of the product justifies the price.

@BensCoffeeRants

2 жыл бұрын

People criticize the motor power on the niche and mention it's a cheap part but o don't think it's really an issue unless it has reliability issues but in years I haven't heard many complaints about them failing. And if it is a cheap motor the pro of that is the replacement should also be affordable.

It's pretty amazing what Niche Zero has done, being a no name start up, ending up having the quality and popularity it does. Eureka certainly seemed to take its time coming out with a competing product and yet still it seems like they rushed and cut corners where it counts. Niche was built from scratch with the purpose of being a nice quiet, easy to use low retention single dosing grinder, and Eureka basically took parts from their other grinders and made a frankengrinder.

But having flat burrs certainly sets Eureka apart. The reason I never attempted to get a Niche was cause of the conical burrs, it just isn't appealing to someone who already uses manual grinders.

Have you experienced that on the niche zero, when doing pour overs, that you need to dial past the 50 mark? It seems that my pour overs are still a bit slow when grind size is set to 50, thus still requiring a courser grind size. Thanks!!!

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Personally I haven’t, my espresso range tends to be around 15-20, my V60 is 35-40 and my flat bottoms 40-45 and French press from 45+

@LadyTigerLily

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus That's almost exactly where my Niche and the one we use at work falls for the same brew methods, too. I find 45 for a Chemex does us pretty well for the roast level we have, drawing down in ~4.5 minutes.

Great review. No thanks on the bellows and the grind setting pain.

While I don't know about other regions then Europe however I gave up on ever considering getting a Niche Zero. It's simply not worth it since brexit happened. As far as I understand they would have to do some extra paperwork in order to get rid of it however in short if e. g. I purchase a Niche Zero it costs around 600€ plus shipping which includes 20% UK VAT, after it arrives I'd have to import it meaning it would be an additional 22% VAT plus other expenses, compared to from what I saw this Eureka costing 500€ plus shipping is pretty much a no brainer for me. Then again that would be the case of buying those two in Europe.

@claremactavish8590

2 жыл бұрын

yup, such a headache, I live in Italy, and I want a good grinder, I would be happy to buy NZ, but it's just so much money spent on taxes... currently looking for something else, but it's just so sad

Thanks for your honest thoughts. I have been looking at the Niche from time to time, but to me it is just a bit too expensive. In Europe it is about 150 USD more than the Eureka Single dose.

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Of course, thanks for watching. And yeah, that makes complete sense. If it was way more for the Niche where I lived I would’ve gone a different route too.

@BensCoffeeRants

2 жыл бұрын

Niche might still be worth it, it's expensive in Canada too. Eureka Specialita seems like a better grinder than this from my experience.

Great video. I like the look of the Mignon, but already have a DF64 and they seem pretty similar in terms of performance per dollar.

@BensCoffeeRants

2 жыл бұрын

Burr quality is very different between the two, DF64 has higher clarity, the Eureka burrs tend to have more blending of flavours and maybe a little more body, which is nice for some types of coffee, like more chocolatey or darker roasts. For lighter fruitier coffees the clarity of the DF64 is superior. Also I believe it's better for filter / brew coffee as well as a result.

Good review and comparison. These premium single dose grinders will need to figure out the single turn grind mechanism if they expect to compete with the Niche. Multiple turns on a small knob has been long overdue for obsolescence.

@triumphrider9396

2 жыл бұрын

It’s dedicated to spro on my counter with a Sette dedicated to pour over 😜

Me staring at my $20 amazon "on special" grinder...."don't worry you work just fine, won't be replacing you any time soon".

I had the Eureka for month now. I don't know why, but retention seems to have a lot to do with the beans. On some beans, the output is either right on or off by 0.1 grams. Not a big deal. For other beans, the retention could be 0.5grams UNTIL I use the RDT then that seems to bring those beans back in line. I haven't heard a good explanation for this. Ideas anyone? User Error? As far as noise, it is a bit louder than their Specialita, but so much quicker that sort of cancels it out.

@datendusche

9 ай бұрын

did you always close the metal slider? When I hit 3-5 times very impulsive, i have a very very consistent output.

Did Eureka improve their portafilter holder fork design?

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

No idea, never used the old one

When you did the Eureka retention test was that with RDT or completely dry?

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Dry, in tests like this I’m using it as the manufacturer intended and designed.

@Andrew-wp1bz

2 жыл бұрын

Fair enough. I suspect that RDT would lower the inconsistencies in retention, but you’re completely correct in your methodology.

Anything that cost more than a Niche and has an ugly bellow is not a Niche Killer.

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

You can use it with or without the bellow, but like I mentioned it’s not my favorite feature on any grinder haha

@NANA-gy7yx

2 жыл бұрын

I have a niche and use a bellow with it

Not a fan of the adjustment dial on the Mignon. Also, I feel like the bellows is not really creating enough pressure to accomplish anything.

Interesting that you hate the bellows on this grinder. I've been using a rubber baby sputum cup as an improvised bellows to purge my "zero retention" Niche Zero, so I was really jealous of that particular feature until you dunked on it. Thanks for alleviating my FOMO 😂

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha I just bang my Niche around and drop the lid down and it tends to kick any grinds out

@jackienaiditch7965

2 жыл бұрын

I use that same sputum cup to purge my NZ. I think it's a pretty popular hack. I actually prefer using that cup to the look of an attached bellows, which I find quite ugly.

@menelaos951

Жыл бұрын

These reviews are really helpful, it is great to see how the breed is evolving, thank you! The bellows work really really well on my Rancilio MD80... (Repurposed from a cake decorating kit by OXO) By borrowing the NZ ideas, I have significantly reduced retention(20.0gr in and out, day in, day out), vastly improved my workflow and been able to extend the interval between subsquent grinder teardowns for cleaning. As a Maker, I am compelled to improve the equipment I have :) The same cortado glass which serves as a dosing cup also fits on top of the grinder, thus no pop-cornimg issues :) Thanks again for your videos!

For stubbornness reason I avoid things made in China. Unfortunately that’s the case for the Niche. I was hoping this grinder would be closer comparatively. The loudness was a deal breaker for me and I ended up getting a Magnifico because all their grinders should soon be able to take a single dose hopper. I’ll take a quiet grinder even if i miss out on a… lean?

The mignon oro is barely over 500€ where i live

If I'm just rocking a Breville with a built-in grinder, is something like the Niche still worth it?

@normanwolfe7639

Жыл бұрын

Hey. I have been using the Barista Express with grinder for 3 years now. Great easy unit. Just got my dream Niche Zero. 1st shots today. Wow. Just wow. Noticeable difference in grind look and coffee taste. I did not expect that. If paying a LOT for a slightly (significant to me but let’s be real) better shot is worth it for you, then you will see and taste a difference.

I think this is just the tip of the iceberg but my money is on the 64mm burr machine bracket really hotting up after the release of the DF64. I'm gonna keep running my Sette 230 and wait to see how this shakes out, but my next upgrade is to a 64mm machine so I can get those SSP burrs, I cannot stand Eureka's adjustment knob, so that's a big fat no on that for me.

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I think it’s smart for manufacturers to make grinders that fit upgraded burr options like SSPs. The option for that will sell far more grinders. If only the Niche made their machine around the available conical sizes from SSP and you’d be off to the races.

Here in Germany/the EU, the Eureka is far cheaper, the Niche costs us people from "old Europe" around 800 € including shipment, tax and fees, the Eureka is currently available on a German website for about 600 €. Probably because of the *no-Deal*-Brexit 😉. No wonder the UK didn't want to belong to the EU anymore, they seem to lean more towards the US. But the Niche is definitely not an option for me ☹️.

Where do you buy this grinder? I need and USA seller.

Wouldn’t even consider the Eureka! Thanks for the review!

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching Jules! Can I ask why you wouldn’t consider it?

@jules5350

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus I hate the grinds dial. Going from espresso to pour over and landing on the same settings will be a lot more of a chore. Also getting the last of the grinds out of Niche is so simple and the hopper and the blow up system look to be a pain. Now if the Eureka grinder could be used with and without hopper…

@BensCoffeeRants

2 жыл бұрын

@@jules5350 I think they claim it can be used without the hopper, they told me it's only about 0.3g retention which WOULD be fine, but in my testing the bellows gets out about 1g on mine. Maybe only half of that is actually exchanged. The Specialita I had with a bellows pumped out a max of 2G so it's worse there, but only about 0.8g was exchanged and I didn't find it really affected much. Grinders without bellows seem to give you a more consistent dose in and out I think, or at least it worked that way with my Specialita.

I’ve been debating between the niche and the baratza Vario w + myself. They’re both the same cost, but I wonder if anyone has anything to say about them. I’m upgrading from the baratza encore

@d.yakitori7826

2 жыл бұрын

the baratza come all in an ugly looking plastic enclosure. in terms of design, it‘s no question to choose the niche over a baratza. also the baratzas sound cheap and they are nowhere close to zero retention.

@johnl7374

2 жыл бұрын

I have both, niche is a much better and higher quality grinder. If you do multiple brew methods niche is great (in cup better at espresso).

@Mukawakadoodoo

2 жыл бұрын

Alright! The niche it is, then!

@Mukawakadoodoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnl7374 i do plan on going back and forth between espresso and pour overs, yeah

@Mukawakadoodoo

2 жыл бұрын

@@d.yakitori7826 ah gotcha

Agree with your comments in the comparison. I feel I should avoid grinders with bellow system since it can make a mess. Having said that this Eureka doesn’t seem too bad.

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

I’d say the bellow would work a lot better had it made a better seal. But due to the small open areas on the hopper (where the gate opens and closed) it tends to kick out chaff and some grinds all over.

I love my niche. Glad to still be 100% happy with it after this video. Thanks!

In the UK the niche isn't much more expensive if you can get one. As I need to switch between cafetierre and espresso. I think the grind dial has written this one off for me. I know the rest of my family isn't going to care to note how many turns or return it to espresso. Shame I had high hopes!

@danielHL824

2 жыл бұрын

yes that is because they call the same price regardless of VAT for national and international customers. So non-UK customers pay extra... At least they finally got away from their Kickstarter distribution model which was a big no-no for me. I got another Mignon grinder a year ago and never looked back. In my opinion you don't need the extra 'leaning' feature, my grind retention is also between zero and 0.5 grams, also without using bellows.

from a purely cosmetic point, the Niche was obviously designed to lean, where as it's equally obvious the Mignon is a vertical machine sitting on a wedge. they didn't even try to hide the join. you could take any other Mignon and stick a lump of wood under the back to achieve the same.

You didn’t experience a lot of fines generating a mud layer on pour-over with Eureka?

@BensCoffeeRants

2 жыл бұрын

I've seen someone post that result, mine wasn't so bad, but there's definitely better burr sets for pour over / brew coffee, Eureka burrs generally seem to be more classic espresso oriented. Not high clarity / unimodal style (which isn't always what you want depending on your taste and coffee preferences).

Your comment on the burr type (conical vs flat) went completely against what I’ve seen on other videos (while latte love, Seattle coffee gear). I’m just getting into espresso and was looking at eureka but it’s almost as if this single dozer for eureka was older, I see the vid is a year old. Any changes in your opinion with some of the newer SD eureka products ? Oro, zero? I would consider the niche but I’m not waiting months for a grinder. WLL has the entire eureka and ceado line in stock now.

I have to chuckle at the gyrations people go through to convert a perfectly adequate hopper grinder to a single doser. This may make the owner feel all grown up and sophisticated but it is unnecessary time and expense. I have a Specialita, among several others, feeding a Marzocco GS/3 so this is not my first rodeo. When I grind with the Specialita, I weigh my dose, dump it in the empty hopper and go. This works every bit as well as one or another of the jury rigs that folks hang on their Mignons. Unless your life feels empty and meaningless without a chaff blower, forget the bellows for exactly the reasons stated in this video. There are so many relevant variables involved in making good espresso that it is silly, in my not-terribly-humble opinion, to waste time and money on trivia.

Great review ! Quick question - has the clump crusher on the Eureka caused and problems with the retention?

@BensCoffeeRants

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. That's generally where retention is held.

Here in Europe the Eureka is like 150$ cheaper than the Niche.

Good video. Succinct. Thank you.

I love this review. To be a Niche killer, any grinder shall not need the use of a bellow to challenge the Niche. Blowing a grinder to clean it is simply a crutch for a poor design grinder. Nothing else.

@JCleggy

2 жыл бұрын

So you’re saying that no flat burr can compete with the Niche

@lgxiii

2 жыл бұрын

@@JCleggy Never said that. Any flat burr grinder not needing a crutch to get zéro rétention is a serious competitor. Useless to blow air in the Niche zéro. This makes the Niche so easy to use.

@JCleggy

2 жыл бұрын

@@lgxiii There can’t be a flat burr grinder with zero retention

@BensCoffeeRants

2 жыл бұрын

@@JCleggy Checkout Option O's grinders, And Kafatek grinders.

Hi, thx for the good vid. Got Eureka Specialita und the Niche. Missing taste comparison in your video, knowing that its hard to judge fair and transparent. For normal users I would recommend the Specialita or the upgrade "XL". For experiments the Niche, which works quite well, but may be a bit time costing in home office - when your a for a quick sip.

if you know this machine can grind coffee to make turkish or greek coffee? means to grind coffee into the finest powder

Im curious why people are hating on the eureka for looking similar. It looks similar to all the other eureka small grinders, just has a gangsta lean.

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t think I’m hating on the look, just seems hard not to point out.

@stephengoldberg7609

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus sorry, totally not an accusation! Great video and appreciate the comparison!!

Here, in Poland Eureka is minimum $70 cheaper than Niche and it's available locally, Niche needs to be imported.

Those were some extremely brief comments on the quality in the cup, which to me is what gives the SD the advantage. This, of course is subjective based on the desires of the taster. I personally prefer the clarity and complexity of the SD grinds for espresso, especially when using a machine with flow control. Advantage also goes to the SD in speed and noise, imo. Not that it's significantly quieter, but the output is not as clunky sounding and more like a professional grinder in timbre. Lastly, the SD design is much more aesthetically pleasing when sitting on the counter. 😁

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

I think going deep into how things taste is a bit of waste of time, it’s such a preference based thing, like you said. I prefer to focus more on the features, usability and workflow as that those in the market for either grinder will be more curious about and generally have their preferences for burr type. It does have an advantage in speed, but in sound it’s louder than the Niche, and the type of sound isn’t really a factor for me.

shame that neither this nor the df64 seem to quite match the niche, but given my choice is playing the lottery and waiting many months and paying overseas shipping or paying twice as much as the mignon (local retailers asking for $1300 USD for it)

Who wouldn't want a grinder accordion playing for you in the morning when brewing?

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha, if it actually made accordion sounds I’d be okay with it

how can you hate on a good bellows... it literally makes a good machine better.....

Ignorance is bliss, but sometimes I have the idea that it shouldn't be too hard to create a 'budget' grinder at this pointthat ticks all the boxes. It feels like we're in a place with so mucb knowledge that it's a matter of who's investing to take the crown. Thought mignon would have the infrastructure to do so and crush competition but sadly not true. My brain is grinding for sure

oh look that flat burr square italian grinder reminds me of the round british conical burrs grinder from kickstarter. I would say that there is some ground for copyright infringement here! ahahah :)

I just bought a Faustino and decided I will waste a half a gram of coffee. I was willing to wait months for a Niche, but the conical burs threw me off. Cafe's use flat burs. I want to have a machine with flat burs. Even so I was considering it until I learned the Niche's manufacture is in China. I know everything comes from China these days but I have a fundamental problem with buying a product that goes on a boat twice...

@Sprometheus

2 жыл бұрын

Not all cafes use flat burrs, some of the more popular grinders are flat because they are faster for service, but there are plenty that use conical. In terms of where things are built and all that, I can appreciate the sentiment, but I think it’s likely impossible to find something that hasn’t hit a boat, plane, train, or truck multiple times.

@IanLandesman

2 жыл бұрын

@@Sprometheus thank you for your response! Am I wrong to think flat burs are considered superior? Put another way, if Niche offered a flat bur version for a premium, would that not be preferred? Globalization is here to stay but for some reason a boat ride from Europe feels different than a boat ride from China.

Niche doing good job paying influencers.

I'm getting so annoyed with niche never being available. People in my area are flipping them for 1200, no one wants to wait 4 months to be able to grind coffee

@brindlebeard

2 жыл бұрын

I thought the same thing but it's not that bad. Just go to the site, bite the bullet and pay for it. It will arrive before you know it.

@saleen12

2 жыл бұрын

@@brindlebeard I might have to, but I'm new to the hobby and I'm about to buy a breville dual boiler, so I'd need a grinder to hold me over for a few months, might just buy a 1zpresso hand grinder, then when the niche gets here I'll have a back up/travel grinder

@user-lv7ph7hs7l

2 жыл бұрын

@@saleen12 That's a good solution. I got an electric grinder but I'd like a hand grinder for travel and to have decaf dialed in at home, without having to change settings on the Mignon which is just a pain.