Finally someone discussing bandsaw use who actually has a thorough working knowledge of the machine and its sheer mechanical simplicity. Hats off to you buddy. And thank you.

As you say, “The real problem is when you want to cut a board straight down the middle. Regardless of what you do, when the wood begins to stress, inevitably it will push against the fence and bind the blade...therefore causing the drift!” If you attach an auxiliary fence which ends at the front of your blade, the stressed wood can spread out without pushing against the fence and causing drift.

@michaelmllerhansen3340

27 күн бұрын

Good one with the second fence ending at the sawing point so stresses will not cause the blade to bend.

I totally agree, my method is I leave the end of the fence just back past the centre of the blade, the same on my table saw! Never had any problems

FANTASTIC video. I spent hours and hours fiddling with adjustments, including the purchase of new blade guides, blades. Nothing could make my saw cut strait...... Until I understood what this video says.

Despite having (almost) everything perfectly set up, I was getting severe drift of the blade into the fence. This was cured, finally, by rotating the _table_ on the trunnion so the fence (and miter slot) was parallel to the blade's cut.

I'm not convinced I need a Little Ripper, though I wouldn't mind having one, I do appreciate you debunking some bandsaw myths and giving us some good insight into what is going on while resawing.

So well explained. Thank you! My bandsaw drift has been doing my head in! The winds of change are jingle jangling in my work shop now!

After watching this a few times and using my bandsaw, I find you can get the same results with a fence. The key is 1) slower feed rate (especially with less tension), and 2) rip with the cutoff on the opposite side of the fence. Your hold-down jig is basically a fence with the all but the top and bottom (image a fence without the bulk of the middle). When you push the stock and put pressure, you deflect the blade and that is what makes it wander. When you have the veneer cutoff towards the fence, it has no where to go. It’s like cutting a case-hardened board on the table saw. After feeding it just past the splitter I add a shim to prevent the binding. The same could be done on the bandsaw.

@pseudapollodorus

2 жыл бұрын

Point #2 seems like the crucial point, especially.

@alexandersangster7137

Жыл бұрын

Look I’m a sawyer and let me ask you this: What’s the most you’ve seen a board spread apart while being ripped? I’ve seen stuff spread 3+” both verticals horizontal and a compound of both. Using a fence under these circumstances will lead to the blade drifting due to being half dull. I use my fence all the time! Blades get thrown out all the time. Part of the game… all these guys literally can’t afford to Woodwork without blade drift. It’s all in the blade and like ethen said binding it under its own fence is number one cause

Excellent Video! Super informative Ethan, the information I just obtained is going to totally change my way of thinking when it comes to re sawing my boards. The Little Ripper is awesome! Must Have! Thank you for taking the time to make this video.. I look forward to future videos to come.

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Laney!

@horacerumpole6912

6 жыл бұрын

You're as ignorant as this joker-

@richardpatterson4312

3 жыл бұрын

@@horacerumpole6912 great explanation. How is he wrong?

Awesome vid. Quickly getting addicted to your channel, thx man.

I wish I could take you for a beer for this! Thank you sir for both the competence AND the bravery to do this to ones own saw for unbelievers to see! I have stuff to do now!

Thank you, I've been saying that for years. I've never had blade drift I set up my bandsaw correctly.

I like the bowl that you made that was really good I'm sure they appreciate the present thank you

Wonderful video presentation and very informative. I haven't been this excited after watching a video in a long time. Mike

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Drew! Glad you enjoyed it :)

Love this! I was trying to explain this to someone the other day and they said I was crazy to think like this! Awesome video!

Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.

Fantastic. This explains why I get terrible results doing it the common way. Thank you for thinking outside the box.

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your feedback Joel. I really can't take all the credit. My Dad Paul Moore designed the jig about 12 years ago. Since then I've updated and improved it significantly but still it was his stroke of genius.

BRILLIANT! I love it - you explain the ACTUAL REALITY of what's going on. : )

Ethan - great explanation - I agree with the logic, interesting point of view.

So I had some doubt about this rig so I looked forward to seeing it in action upfront and close at the WACO S.W.A.T. show last week. Folks this thing really works and works well. Ethan's explanations and his answers to questions were spot on and accurate. I bought the mini mill and circle cutting mill package and am looking forward to receiving it and doing my own testing.

I have watched so many videos saying so many ways to correct drift, this makes so much sense, I will give it a go, I am confidant it will work, thanks for a brilliant and common sense tutorial😀👍

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Barry! I'm glad you enjoyed the video.

Amazing tip, now I know why, yesterday my band saw cut skew due to the fence, thanks bud.

I have been having issues with this for sometimes… Was about to sell this bandsaw. Now I understand. Thanks so much !

Fantastic demo, thanks👍

I'm just so excited that you are using a Rikon saw. I just bought a model 10-325 used, for $140. The guy I got it from didn't know anything about how to fix it. (Someone broke the upper trunnion so all I have to do is replace it.) Videos are great keep 'em coming.

Excellant demonstration! Who could argue with this?

Fantastic jig mate. Makes complete sense why the deflection occurs when trying to hold the larger side with just the hand, of course the deflection will push your hand away giving the illusion of drift. Going to have to invest in one of these beauties. Cheers mate.

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bill! Glad you like the product. :)

excellent demo and explanation!

Eth you are the MAN! I’ll be ordering one of those for my shop when I get home 👹

I've seen your demo at Woodstock several times and I have to say I am very impressed by this bandsaw accessory. Take care Rob

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rob! Hope to see you there next year.

@WoodsleeSummercraftwoodturning

6 жыл бұрын

I'm sure I won't miss it

@WoodsleeSummercraftwoodturning

6 жыл бұрын

I'm sure I won't miss it

Wish I had watched this 5years ago ! You made your point very clear! WOW !

Excellent info mate .makes perfect sense to me .

Okay…. Wow! I’ve learned so much in such a short time!

Nice to see a little evidence! Presumably, if you use the fence to cut off a thin strip on the outside of a block of wood, it should cut straight as the thin piece will bend much more than the thicker piece next to the fence? Love to see a more detailed version of this video.

Absolutely brilliant tutorial enjoyed it very much I have decided to call you the wizard thank you, John

Very interesting - definitely learnt something new today!

Good stuff. I now know where I have been going wrong. Thanks...

I never thought of the why things drift? I have never had a problem with drift unless I forced the material through the blade. I Never force my saw to cut faster than it wants to! Nice explanation!

Wow, great video!

THANK YOU! I bought a used bandsaw, and it was drifting to the left like crazy.. My instinct was that it was simply cutting less on the right saw, but being the millennial that I am, I had to get instructions on KZread how to adjust a bandsaw.. So I was fiddling with guide blocks, blade tension and how the blade was running on the wheels. Finally I gave up... Your explanation made things click for me, the blade is a laser beam, unless you touch a non cutting part of it! With that in mind I went back to investigate.. Turns out the teeth set to the right were quite damaged, I guess the previous owner might have run into a nail. After setting the teeth and sharpening the blade, my bandsaw cuts straight!

I bought the Little Ripper and it is great to use and works just as he has shown.

Great vid. Thanks bro

Wow, that's quite an eye opener, never would have thought, low blade tension, top guide much too high but perfectly straight cuts. Of course all of this is out the window if your blade is warped or dull.

That´s pretty good information, thanks for this one :)

I feel like I just found Jesus! So much was revealed in ten minutes. My mind is blown. Thanks!

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment! Common sense or traditional thinking can lead to some pretty amazing things!

You just blew my mind! That was awesome! I've waisted so much time trying fix my band saw cuts with constant adjustments. I look forward to trying this.

@rrob4206

5 жыл бұрын

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Wow! This is good to know!

I 2nd that. Excellent video! I still cant make my 14" delta Bandsaw track properly even after days of tweeking!

welp you sold me, lol, thought to be pro you had to have the gullet in the middle of the crown. Thank you for taking time to make this video!!!

Great video. I had "blade drift" and after changing a dead dull blade, the drift went away. I purchased the saw used and was using the blades that came with it. Invested in some new blades, the issue went away.

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark! Sometimes a new blade goes a long way! Ethan

I'm trying to think of what more you could have done to the machine to make it cut wrong. .......nope nothing comes to mind. ....nice demonstration of your point. Thanks. 🤣😂😁😀😎

@cheekymonkey6791

4 жыл бұрын

Could he have placed the blade on the front of the wheel instead of the back?

@robertsullivan2396

3 жыл бұрын

@@cheekymonkey6791 what about teeth at back lol

Love that Clamping Rig !

@StockroomSupply

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Vince! Glad you enjoyed the video

Hope to see you at the Indianapolis show next month!

Damn, this is a game changer. It’s all about how you feed the material, everything else is secondary.

Very good Sir

I make it a point to press the wood tightly against the fence, lest I get drift. Didn't know why until now. Thanks!

Gotta love those new Rikon guid bearings they are so great.

@nalaleah

4 жыл бұрын

Why dont you set the height lower to match what you are cutting?

Where can I buy that wonderful sled jig?

Simple like that....fantastic.

Great video and explanation. What if I want to cut stock longer than about 24" with with Little Ripper? It seems like you'd need an enormous track to make something like a dining table or bedframe.

I just learned something new! 😁

This video is so controversial yet so compelling. It's the kind of thing that will live in mind rent free, provoking me when I try to sleep. Great video, thanks, but this will bug me for a while 😃

you just proved your theory 100% correct? Kudos

WOW..... Thanks.

Okay, I'm convinced.

Excellent video, info and demo!.....Snodgrass is still the best though😬

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

I'm glad you liked the video! Me and Alex are good friends but we sure have different opinions when it comes to bandsaws :)

So mine drifts, how do I fix it? Is it just an old blade?

He's preventing the wood from opening up (at least on the side clamped to the jig), so this prevents the blade from being pushed over (called drift - which is what causes the set on the teeth to get changed). Once the set on the teeth are changed, it will never cut straight again. The other side is free to open up and will not affect the set on the teeth because no binding is occurring. So 2 keys things are happening here: 1. The jig is holding the wood firmly in place so it cannot move (which it normally would because of the internal stresses being released unless you have an exceptional piece of wood) 2. The wood is not binding the blade and wrecking the tooth set .

love it will buy one after i get a band saw. Hopefully 14BX

@StockroomSupply

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds good! The 14bx is a very fine saw.

very good thanks you.

I thought he was going to say "When I did this at a woodworking show a riot broke out", something like that. It seemed kind of shocking! I've got kind of used to the idea that a band saw might cut at a certain angle and you just have to deal with it. I have to go back to the beginning here, never really thought it through, and certainly never did radical stuff like loosening the guides!

I always thought you were supposed to take off the veneer on the side away from the fence, which would allow it to open up like you show here, correct? This is a cool video and interesting product. :)

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

Joseph, you are right. It is always best to cut the thin side off away from the fence. The real problem when using a fence is when you want to cut a board straight down the middle. Regardless of what you do when that wood begins to stress inevitably it will push against then fence and bind the blade...therefor causing the drift! Thanks for the comment! Glad you enjoyed the video :)

I think the general issue is, if you use a fence and your tracking is off, the probability of binding is greatly increased. I've seen tracking drive the blade toward the fence. If your saw doesn't have a dolly like yours then the fence is required and so the tracking has to be perfectly straight to prevent binding. In your example you reduce the tension and the tracking. If you have a tensioned blade then the tracking has more of an impact as it stays more "true" to the tracked angle. Try with a tense blade and tracking off.

Nice!

I have a Metabo BAS261 that I cannot set up correctly and it's actually drifting toward the fence no matter the way I do the cut (with or without the fence). I tried everything, blade position table set-up, clearences, notrhing does. It's still and always drifting toward the left of the blade where the fence is or should be. I'm a little lost, so happy to get any advice. Thanks.

good experience

Anyone know where I can find the guide poster like what is stuck on the inside of the top wheel door

In this video do you set the lower guides the traditional way? Thanks

I wasted a pile of money on a fancy Laguna saw trying to get great cuts, not to mention replacing ceramic guides...gotta figure out how to stop my blade from binding. thnx buddy

I watched this video. Put a new coarser blade on my old Ferm bandsaw and cut a thin layer of hardwood away furthest from the guide block. It worked a treat. If I cut the thin layer close to the guide block it drifts! Point proven. Thanks.

From Viet Nam sir, thank you so much for extraordinary information!

you are right man

Hey Ethan! that resew pin that you took off your saw at the beginning of this video; what is? and how is it used?

Ethan, why would a curved resaw guide not accomplish the same thing, as it is only applying pressure to the workpiece right next to the blade? The wood movement is deflecting against nothing, and therefore not pushing against the fence, and therefore not applying lateral pressure to the blade. As long as the cut is roughly parallel to the blade itself so the tail of the blade stays within the kerf, then no drift. Also, when you say that the lateral pressure "dulls" the left side of the blade, are you saying that it's actually damaging the blade, or that it's just making the left side less effective in that moment?

My world has been turned upside down, and the Truth Revealed! I didn't know this because the people I learned from didn't know either - we repeat the same myths, handing them down from generation to generation. One way to look at the Little Ripper is similar to a table saw crosscut sled, but designed for a bandsaw. In both cases, the cutting path is based on a machined track to guide the wood into the blade, rather than using the (unreliable) edge of the wood as a guide. Call it a ripping sled? The product costs more than my crappy bandsaw, but this at least lets me know what part of my technique I can change. Thanks for posting!

That was really helpful, thanks. What's that accessory that's holding the timber?

DAMN! Enough said.

I understand what you said. I saw what you talked about, but, I am having trouble understanding what the different is between the fence holding one side of the board or the little ripper doing it from the other side. Can you explain?

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

Hey Dave, I love the question! I'll do my best to explain the difference here. When you push a piece of wood through a fence it will stress. When it stresses it will push away from the fence and bind the blade. OK so that makes sense. What make the Little Ripper different? When you push a piece of wood that is clamped in the Little Ripper through it will stress. The wood will stress on the far side without any interference from a fence. On the Little Ripper side the wood is clamped in place at 8 different points therefor the wood cannot move until it is release from the jig. So long story short...On one side the wood is free to stress on the other it is locked in place therefor it cannot bind the blade. Hope that makes sense! Ethan

Dear Ethan Can you please tell me if the little ripper come's with all the tracking Thank You Malcolm

Can't you avoid binding the blade by cutting from the right side of the stock vs left?

Question: if my blade is already drifting consistently do I need to replace the blade to get a straight cut?

@ivannio4783

5 жыл бұрын

Then you need to fully adjust your machine.

You need to have a rip style fence that ends approximately at the blade in order to avoid binding the wood between the blade

THIS IS WHAT I HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR!!! Thank you! Bandsaws are not witchcraft, but the whole community seems to believe all this voodoo about drift and fence-shimming and whatnot.

@StockroomSupply

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed :)

Where do I get the little ripper sawmill and how much

Hey Ethan, thank you for such a thought provoking video. I have the same bandsaw you used and I experience exactly the same problem whwn resawing, but when I cut small pieces it doesn’t drift. Both cuts using the fence as a reference so how would you explain rhat I only get blade drifting when resawing? Any advice on how to fix it if I don’t Have the same cool jig you used?

Ethan, can you tell me what model of rikon this was?

Honestly, for me I was able to eliminate drift on my Laguna LT18 using 1/2" to 1" bands by placing the band at the center of the crown on the upper wheel. This adjustment on this saw is extremely easy. I've owned two generations of the LT18 over the past 20 years and so I really can't comment on what drift is like on a smaller saw with more narrow bands. I'm also very careful in all aspects of setting up my saw and I find I must clamp both ends of the fence on this saw because the aluminum fence really flexes quite a bit. If I don't clamp both ends of the fence, I really have problems with what looks like drift. Until the past couple of years, I adjusted for drift in the commonly acceptable methods and they worked for me, too.

@StockroomSupply

6 жыл бұрын

Thats great Mark! I'm happy you are having such good success. What I have found is as long as you eliminate the side pressure of the blade you do not have to be careful with any setup at all. That is what I did my best to show in the video.

Thanx, makes a lot of sense *o*

@StockroomSupply

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Simon!

Love it. I like controversial views, I hold a few myself. You’ve made your case. Good job.

If you put your thick side to the fence how does it not allow the ten too. Release?